Condolences to the Russians - Suicide bombers kill 37 in MoscowSubways

[David E. Powell]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36077879/ns/world_news-europe/?GT1=43001

<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36077879/ns/world_news-europe/?GT1=43001>

My best goes out to the Russians today. The common threat of terrorism
has hit them again.

[Jack Linthicum]

On Mar 29, 12:02*pm, "David E. Powell" >
wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36077879/ns/world_news-europe/?GT1=43001
>
> <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36077879/ns/world_news-europe/?GT1=43001>
>
> My best goes out to the Russians today. The common threat of terrorism
> has hit them again.

The headquarters of the Federal Security Service, ex KGB, is above the
subway station (Lubyanka) in question.

[Mr.Smartypants[_2_]]

On Mar 29, 10:02*am, "David E. Powell" >
wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36077879/ns/world_news-europe/?GT1=43001
>
> <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36077879/ns/world_news-europe/?GT1=43001>
>
> My best goes out to the Russians today. The common threat of terrorism
> has hit them again.

Oh? The CIA and Mossad operate in Russia too?

[MajorOz]

On Mar 29, 12:56*pm, "Mr.Smartypants" > wrote:
> On Mar 29, 10:02*am, "David E. Powell" >
> wrote:
>
> >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36077879/ns/world_news-europe/?GT1=43001
>
> > <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36077879/ns/world_news-europe/?GT1=43001>
>
> > My best goes out to the Russians today. The common threat of terrorism
> > has hit them again.
>
> Oh? The CIA and Mossad operate in Russia too?

....always have...

cheers

oz

[Andrew Chaplin]

Arved Sandstrom > wrote in
news:Bpjsn.538$Z6.368@edtnps82:

> Ray OHara wrote:
>
>> the KGB routinely made monkey's uncles out of the western intel
>> agencies. as for the bombers, its the legasy of the Russians taking
>> over others countries.
>
> KGB success in _obtaining_ intelligence, such as it was, depended
> entirely on the willingness of useful traitors. First they were
> ideological traitors, then, as people wised up, they became traitors
> for money. But the KGB otherwise didn't exactly do anything "better"
> than anyone else...they had some real buffoons as agent runners from
> time to time. And I said "such as it was" because it transpires that
> the ultimate recipient of all this hard-won intelligence, the Soviet
> command structure, wasn't very good at interpreting it.
>
> As for Soviet counterintelligence, and the difficulties that caused
> Western agencies trying to operate in the fUSSR, well, that's simply
> what happens when running a police state. Western counterintelligence
> had to be considerably more sophisticated, and was.

An ambitious Soviet attaché made several truly inept runs at my father in
the late 70s. His target likely was not my father (the senior researcher
in the history directorate of DG Exec Sec) but us three kids who were
then starting our careers in the CF. The KGB did not send their "A" team
to Ottawa.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

[dott.Piergiorgio]

Jack Linthicum ha scritto:

> The headquarters of the Federal Security Service, ex KGB, is above the
> subway station (Lubyanka) in question.

In your opinion, this "under their noses" attack is defiance or warning ?

And, in the second case, warning about what ? let's remember that the
least guarded (relatively) nuke warheads components/blueprints are that
of fUSSr...

Best regards from Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio.

[dott.Piergiorgio]

William Black ha scritto:


> Looking back over the years the USSR had a huge number of good spies,
> both 'walk ins' and professional 'illegals'.

> Their 'illegals' seem to have been very highly trained and difficult to
> catch, and that's just the ones we (and others) caught...

mh.... what is the meaning of "illegals" here ? I known very well about
eastern EU immigrant workers, and I'm pretty sure that placing a very
trained operative in the household of Italian politicos is easy, if one
thinks a bit on this....

Best regards from Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio.

[Jim Wilkins]

On Mar 29, 12:16špm, Jack Linthicum >
wrote:
> ...
>
> The headquarters of the Federal Security Service, ex KGB, is above the
> subway station (Lubyanka) in question.

Does the æÅÄÅÒÁÌØÎÁÑ ÓÌÕÖÂÁ ÂÅÚÏÐÁÓÎÏÓÔÉ still operate the notorious
prison there as well?

jsw

[William Black[_1_]]

dott.Piergiorgio wrote:
> William Black ha scritto:
>
>
>> Looking back over the years the USSR had a huge number of good spies,
>> both 'walk ins' and professional 'illegals'.
>
>> Their 'illegals' seem to have been very highly trained and difficult
>> to catch, and that's just the ones we (and others) caught...
>
> mh.... what is the meaning of "illegals" here ?

Intelligence officers of one country inserted into another country using
false papers and expected to stay there for an extended period.

--
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.

[Jim Wilkins]

On Mar 30, 8:01Â*am, Jim Wilkins > wrote:
> On Mar 29, 12:16Å¡pm, Jack Linthicum >
> wrote:
>
> > ...
>
> > The headquarters of the Federal Security Service, ex KGB, is above the
> > subway station (Lubyanka) in question.
>
> Does the æÅÄÅÒ�ÌØÎ�Ñ ÓÌÕÖÂ� ÂÅÚ���ÓÎ�ÓÔÉ still operate the notorious
> prison there as well?
>
> jsw

That didn't come out right. FSB, Federalnaya Sluzhba Bezopasnosti.

jsw

[Dan[_12_]]

Jim Wilkins wrote:
> On Mar 30, 8:01 am, Jim Wilkins > wrote:
>> On Mar 29, 12:16Å¡pm, Jack Linthicum >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> The headquarters of the Federal Security Service, ex KGB, is above the
>>> subway station (Lubyanka) in question.
>> Does the æÅÄÅÒ�ÌØÎ�Ñ ÓÌÕÖÂ� ÂÅÚ���ÓÎ�ÓÔÉ still operate the notorious
>> prison there as well?
>>
>> jsw
>
> That didn't come out right. FSB, Federalnaya Sluzhba Bezopasnosti.
>
> jsw


Nye punemayu po Ruski :)

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Jack Linthicum]

On Mar 30, 8:14Â*am, Dan > wrote:
> Jim Wilkins wrote:
> > On Mar 30, 8:01 am, Jim Wilkins > wrote:
> >> On Mar 29, 12:16Å¡pm, Jack Linthicum >
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> ...
> >>> The headquarters of the Federal Security Service, ex KGB, is above the
> >>> subway station (Lubyanka) in question.
> >> Does the æÅÄÅÒ�ÌØÎ�Ñ ÓÌÕÖÂ� ÂÅÚ���ÓÎ�ÓÔÉ still operate the notorious
> >> prison there as well?
>
> >> jsw
>
> > That didn't come out right. FSB, Federalnaya Sluzhba Bezopasnosti.
>
> > jsw
>
> Â* Â*Nye punemayu po Ruski :)
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Federal Security Service, they do internal security and overseas
electronic espionage, sort of an FBI-NSA combo.

[Jim Wilkins]

On Mar 30, 8:05*am, William Black > wrote:
> dott.Piergiorgio wrote:
> >...
>
> > mh.... what is the meaning of "illegals" here ?
>
> Intelligence officers of one country inserted into another country using
> false papers and expected to stay there for an extended period.
> William Black

As opposed to cultural attaches and "passport control officials" who
had a valid reason to be here, worked in embassies and consulates and
had easy and secure access to diplomatic pouches. They were the higher
intelligence officials, station chiefs and sometimes agent handlers.
Much intelligence came from reading newspapers and intercepting radio
transmissions.

jsw

[Bill Kambic[_2_]]

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:23:00 -0500, Andrew Chaplin
> wrote:

>Arved Sandstrom > wrote in
>news:Bpjsn.538$Z6.368@edtnps82:
>
>> Ray OHara wrote:
>>
>>> the KGB routinely made monkey's uncles out of the western intel
>>> agencies. as for the bombers, its the legasy of the Russians taking
>>> over others countries.
>>
>> KGB success in _obtaining_ intelligence, such as it was, depended
>> entirely on the willingness of useful traitors. First they were
>> ideological traitors, then, as people wised up, they became traitors
>> for money. But the KGB otherwise didn't exactly do anything "better"
>> than anyone else...they had some real buffoons as agent runners from
>> time to time. And I said "such as it was" because it transpires that
>> the ultimate recipient of all this hard-won intelligence, the Soviet
>> command structure, wasn't very good at interpreting it.
>>
>> As for Soviet counterintelligence, and the difficulties that caused
>> Western agencies trying to operate in the fUSSR, well, that's simply
>> what happens when running a police state. Western counterintelligence
>> had to be considerably more sophisticated, and was.
>
>An ambitious Soviet attaché made several truly inept runs at my father in
>the late 70s. His target likely was not my father (the senior researcher
>in the history directorate of DG Exec Sec) but us three kids who were
>then starting our careers in the CF. The KGB did not send their "A" team
>to Ottawa.

I gues they never was the movie "The President's Analyst," eh?!?!?!
:-)