Videos: Stearman mishap temporarily shut down Washington’s Reagan National

[Jim Logajan]

Article with cockpit video taken by a reporter (and another at the bottom
of the page from someone from the side of the runway) show a Stearman flip
on landing:

http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100608stearman.html

[vaughn[_3_]]

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> Article with cockpit video taken by a reporter (and another at the bottom
> of the page from someone from the side of the runway) show a Stearman flip
> on landing:

It made the evening news. What a sad sight!

Vaughn

[Morgans[_2_]]

"vaughn" > wrote in message
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>
> "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> Article with cockpit video taken by a reporter (and another at the bottom
>> of the page from someone from the side of the runway) show a Stearman
>> flip
>> on landing:
>
> It made the evening news. What a sad sight!

Yep.

So, what is the verdict? I say too fast and high, tried to force it on with
a wheel landing, still had the tail high and touched the brakes. Don't know
about that last part, but he was definitely not done flying when he touched
down.
--
Jim in NC

[Ron]

On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 23:54:10 -0400, "Morgans"
> wrote:

>
>"vaughn" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>> Article with cockpit video taken by a reporter (and another at the bottom
>>> of the page from someone from the side of the runway) show a Stearman
>>> flip
>>> on landing:
>>
>> It made the evening news. What a sad sight!
>
>Yep.
>
>So, what is the verdict? I say too fast and high, tried to force it on with
>a wheel landing, still had the tail high and touched the brakes. Don't know
>about that last part, but he was definitely not done flying when he touched
>down.

Looks like he might have hit the brakes too early, or had them on when
he landed. Hard to tell for sure.

Ron

[Ron Wanttaja[_2_]]

Ron wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 23:54:10 -0400, "Morgans"
> > wrote:

>> So, what is the verdict? I say too fast and high, tried to force it on with
>> a wheel landing, still had the tail high and touched the brakes. Don't know
>> about that last part, but he was definitely not done flying when he touched
>> down.
>
> Looks like he might have hit the brakes too early, or had them on when
> he landed. Hard to tell for sure.

I was on the taxiway last December when a Gullwing Stinson did exactly
the same thing, right on the runway next to me. The guy was solo, and
swore he didn't have the brakes on.

Some of the older wheel designs do have problems...but we're stuck with
wondering why BOTH sides had problems at the same time. There aren't
all that many places where they connect.

Goodyear brakes have a couple of failure modes that will cause lockup.
I had one of mine break last summer; couple of two-bit metal clips
broke, and the brake disk was wandering free, ready to jam. Rather than
replace the two-bit clips (which cost $80), I went to Grove wheels and
brakes.

http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/wheels.html

Ron Wanttaja

[Flaps_50!]

On Jun 9, 5:11*pm, Ron > wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 23:54:10 -0400, "Morgans"
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
>
> >"vaughn" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >> "Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >>> Article with cockpit video taken by a reporter (and another at the bottom
> >>> of the page from someone from the side of the runway) show a Stearman
> >>> flip
> >>> on landing:
>
> >> It made the evening news. *What a sad sight!
>
> >Yep.
>
> >So, what is the verdict? *I say too fast and high, tried to force it on with
> >a wheel landing, still had the tail high and touched the brakes. *Don't know
> >about that last part, but he was definitely not done flying when he touched
> >down.
>
> Looks like he might have hit the brakes too early, or had them on when
> he landed. *Hard to tell for sure.
>
> Ron

Yep, the brakes were on, you can tell by the smoke. No BUMF check?

Cheers

[Peter Dohm]

"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
...
> Ron wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 23:54:10 -0400, "Morgans"
>> > wrote:
>
>>> So, what is the verdict? I say too fast and high, tried to force it on
>>> with a wheel landing, still had the tail high and touched the brakes.
>>> Don't know about that last part, but he was definitely not done flying
>>> when he touched down.
>>
>> Looks like he might have hit the brakes too early, or had them on when
>> he landed. Hard to tell for sure.
>
> I was on the taxiway last December when a Gullwing Stinson did exactly the
> same thing, right on the runway next to me. The guy was solo, and swore
> he didn't have the brakes on.
>
> Some of the older wheel designs do have problems...but we're stuck with
> wondering why BOTH sides had problems at the same time. There aren't all
> that many places where they connect.
>
> Goodyear brakes have a couple of failure modes that will cause lockup. I
> had one of mine break last summer; couple of two-bit metal clips broke,
> and the brake disk was wandering free, ready to jam. Rather than replace
> the two-bit clips (which cost $80), I went to Grove wheels and brakes.
>
> http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/wheels.html
>
> Ron Wanttaja

Personally, ever since first seeing them on a 1959 Cessna 172, I've always
liked the concept of the Cleveland brakes--because the bulk of the disk
brake mechanism is inside the wheel and out of the slipstream for
(theoretically) less drag. However, there is no remaining doubt that it is
long past time to admit that the manufacturer has successfully killed off
the design with their replacement parts policy, and is it also long past
time to replace the remaining Cleveland brakes with something that can be
successfully maintained in a safe operating condition.

Peter

[Scott Braddock]

Peter Dohm wrote:

> Personally, ever since first seeing them on a 1959 Cessna 172, I've always
> liked the concept of the Cleveland brakes--because the bulk of the disk
> brake mechanism is inside the wheel and out of the slipstream for
> (theoretically) less drag. However, there is no remaining doubt that it is
> long past time to admit that the manufacturer has successfully killed off
> the design with their replacement parts policy, and is it also long past
> time to replace the remaining Cleveland brakes with something that can be
> successfully maintained in a safe operating condition.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
Peter,

I assume you mean "Goodyear" when you say "Cleavland".

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

[Peter Dohm]

"Scott Braddock" > wrote in message
mmunications...
> Peter Dohm wrote:
>
>> Personally, ever since first seeing them on a 1959 Cessna 172, I've
>> always liked the concept of the Cleveland brakes--because the bulk of the
>> disk brake mechanism is inside the wheel and out of the slipstream for
>> (theoretically) less drag. However, there is no remaining doubt that it
>> is long past time to admit that the manufacturer has successfully killed
>> off the design with their replacement parts policy, and is it also long
>> past time to replace the remaining Cleveland brakes with something that
>> can be successfully maintained in a safe operating condition.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
> Peter,
>
> I assume you mean "Goodyear" when you say "Cleavland".
>
> Happy Flying!
> Scott Skylane

You're right Scott, and I have no idea how my fingers did that.

Peter