Whither The T-2?

[Mike Kanze]

Curiosity question:

What is happening to all the T-2s phased out of service?

Davis- Monthan? (Somehow "War Reserve" just doesn't sound right for the
Mississippi MiG.)
Foreign sales?
Civilian sales?
Smelter?
Artificial reef?

I assume several have / will become gate guards.

--
Mike Kanze

"The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill
the world with fools."

- Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903)

[John Carrier]

Pensacola is getting some of them to continue NFO training, but I think the
plan is to shut that down pretty quickly and move the work the Meridian or
Kingsville in the T-45.

Most are going to the boneyard.

R/ John

"Mike Kanze" > wrote in message
...
> Curiosity question:
>
> What is happening to all the T-2s phased out of service?
>
> Davis- Monthan? (Somehow "War Reserve" just doesn't sound right for the
> Mississippi MiG.)
> Foreign sales?
> Civilian sales?
> Smelter?
> Artificial reef?
>
> I assume several have / will become gate guards.
>
> --
> Mike Kanze
>
> "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill
> the world with fools."
>
> - Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903)
>
>
>

[Pechs1]

JXC-<< Most are going to the boneyard. >><BR><BR>

I still think, with lots of $, clipped wings, better electrics, new engines,
single seat cockpit, it would be a great unlimited air racer.

Great little jet. In VF-126, when used for OOC/Stall training for Turkey crews,
it took a beating and kept on ticking.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

[w4okw]

We still have a few here at Pax River for the Test Pilot School boys to beat
up!

Gerry "Spinmeister" Gallagher still spends more time in OCF than the rest of
the kids have in their logbooks!

Tom Clarke
Pax Herk Driver
----------------------------------------------
"Mike Kanze" > wrote in message
...
> Curiosity question:
>
> What is happening to all the T-2s phased out of service?
>
> Davis- Monthan? (Somehow "War Reserve" just doesn't sound right for the
> Mississippi MiG.)
> Foreign sales?
> Civilian sales?
> Smelter?
> Artificial reef?
>
> I assume several have / will become gate guards.
>
> --
> Mike Kanze
>
> "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill
> the world with fools."
>
> - Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903)
>
>
>

[Dudley Henriques]

"w4okw" > wrote in message
...
> We still have a few here at Pax River for the Test Pilot School boys
to beat
> up!
>
> Gerry "Spinmeister" Gallagher still spends more time in OCF than the
rest of
> the kids have in their logbooks!
>
> Tom Clarke
> Pax Herk Driver

Ah yes! I remember it well!! The old T2 3 axis coupled inverted spin
entry. :-)
Let me see now........275 to 300 kts @ 20 grand.........a 3 to 4g pull
to an 80 to 100 degree positive pitch.....back to idle passing
45.........down to 200.......relax the pull......full right
aileron.......at 180 roll.....full right rudder.......at 360 roll at
130kts, full forward right stick and full left rudder!!!!......Yup!!!!
Naval Aviators "don't need Viagra......THIS will do just fine!!!!
:-)
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
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the z's with e's.
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[Jake Donovan]

Hey Tom, LTNS

My understanding is they are going to keep a couple of T2s at PAX for
undetermined time as we really don't have a platform that can take it's
place for OFC.

VT 86 in Pensacola is going to take delivery of a handful of T2's to augment
their stable of Buckeys for NFO training.

Next time I am in your neighborhood, I'll stop by.

Jake


"w4okw" > wrote in message
...
> We still have a few here at Pax River for the Test Pilot School boys to
beat
> up!
>
> Gerry "Spinmeister" Gallagher still spends more time in OCF than the rest
of
> the kids have in their logbooks!
>
> Tom Clarke
> Pax Herk Driver
> ----------------------------------------------
> "Mike Kanze" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Curiosity question:
> >
> > What is happening to all the T-2s phased out of service?
> >
> > Davis- Monthan? (Somehow "War Reserve" just doesn't sound right for the
> > Mississippi MiG.)
> > Foreign sales?
> > Civilian sales?
> > Smelter?
> > Artificial reef?
> >
> > I assume several have / will become gate guards.
> >
> > --
> > Mike Kanze
> >
> > "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to
fill
> > the world with fools."
> >
> > - Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903)
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[NimBill]

>From: (Pechs1)
>Newsgroups:

>I still think, with lots of $, clipped wings, better electrics, new engines,
>single seat cockpit, it would be a great unlimited air racer.Great little
>jet. In VF-126, when used for OOC/Stall training for Turkey crews,it took a
>beating and kept on ticking.P. C. ChisholmCDR, USN(ret.)Old Phart Phormer
>Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer
>

I was once many years ago in VFP-63 and we shared a hangar with VF-126 at NAS
Miramar.

[nafod40]

Pechs1 wrote:
> JXC-<< Most are going to the boneyard. >><BR><BR>
>
> I still think, with lots of $, clipped wings, better electrics, new engines,
> single seat cockpit, it would be a great unlimited air racer.
>
> Great little jet. In VF-126, when used for OOC/Stall training for Turkey crews,
> it took a beating and kept on ticking.

I'd like to get one of the cockpit procedure trainers that they'll be
getting rid of, and put it in the TV room. With a bigger garage, maybe
the full motion sim.

Actually, the A-4 sim wasn't that big. That'd fit in the garage.

[Pechs1]

nimbill-<< I was once many years ago in VFP-63 and we shared a hangar with
VF-126 at NAS
Miramar. >><BR><BR>

My first experience(not counting being a dumass middie) was TA-4 CQ, in
Miramar, abourd the Big E.

Went down to the hanger for the brief, two VFP-63-F-8s were a leavin. These
jets goin' into AB is not something you forget.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

[John Carrier]

Well, they'll be moving them out of the building shortly. For a full motion
setup, you'll need roughly 30x40 footprint with 20 foot ceilings. OBTW, the
computers are early 70's DEC technology. While the console operation is
straightforward, working with the hardware requires some knowledge of octal
IIRC.

You're right, the A-4 final update (stand-alone vice 4 to a deck) would fit
in a garage. A much more user friendly system as well, both for the techies
and the operator.

R / John

"nafod40" > wrote in message
...
> Pechs1 wrote:
> > JXC-<< Most are going to the boneyard. >><BR><BR>
> >
> > I still think, with lots of $, clipped wings, better electrics, new
engines,
> > single seat cockpit, it would be a great unlimited air racer.
> >
> > Great little jet. In VF-126, when used for OOC/Stall training for Turkey
crews,
> > it took a beating and kept on ticking.
>
> I'd like to get one of the cockpit procedure trainers that they'll be
> getting rid of, and put it in the TV room. With a bigger garage, maybe
> the full motion sim.
>
> Actually, the A-4 sim wasn't that big. That'd fit in the garage.
>

[nafod40]

John Carrier wrote:
> Well, they'll be moving them out of the building shortly. For a full motion
> setup, you'll need roughly 30x40 footprint with 20 foot ceilings. OBTW, the
> computers are early 70's DEC technology. While the console operation is
> straightforward, working with the hardware requires some knowledge of octal
> IIRC.

You could run it without the motion, I imagine.

Any insider info on how to try and get one (not for the home...for a
University)?

>
> You're right, the A-4 final update (stand-alone vice 4 to a deck) would fit
> in a garage. A much more user friendly system as well, both for the techies
> and the operator.

[John Carrier]

If you can live without motion, we have a couple that are mounted in
standard sized truck trailers. (A retrofit of Kingsville's hardware when
they needed to remove T-2 sims to accommodate T-45 domed sims.) Ownership
and administration come under NAVAIR and NTTC Orlando IIRC.

R / John

"nafod40" > wrote in message
...
> John Carrier wrote:
> > Well, they'll be moving them out of the building shortly. For a full
motion
> > setup, you'll need roughly 30x40 footprint with 20 foot ceilings. OBTW,
the
> > computers are early 70's DEC technology. While the console operation is
> > straightforward, working with the hardware requires some knowledge of
octal
> > IIRC.
>
> You could run it without the motion, I imagine.
>
> Any insider info on how to try and get one (not for the home...for a
> University)?
>
> >
> > You're right, the A-4 final update (stand-alone vice 4 to a deck) would
fit
> > in a garage. A much more user friendly system as well, both for the
techies
> > and the operator.
>

[Doug \Woody\ and Erin Beal]

John,

I agree.

I seem to remember a physiology type telling me that the eyes provide 80-90%
of the body's motion and balance cues, so a dramatic visual is typically
adequate. Motion is just icing on the cake.

If the domed sims in Lemoore are any indication, then I can personally vouch
for that.

--Woody

On 6/16/04 6:52 AM, in article , "John
Carrier" > wrote:

> If you can live without motion, we have a couple that are mounted in
> standard sized truck trailers. (A retrofit of Kingsville's hardware when
> they needed to remove T-2 sims to accommodate T-45 domed sims.) Ownership
> and administration come under NAVAIR and NTTC Orlando IIRC.
>
> R / John
>
> "nafod40" > wrote in message
> ...
>> John Carrier wrote:
>>> Well, they'll be moving them out of the building shortly. For a full
> motion
>>> setup, you'll need roughly 30x40 footprint with 20 foot ceilings. OBTW,
> the
>>> computers are early 70's DEC technology. While the console operation is
>>> straightforward, working with the hardware requires some knowledge of
> octal
>>> IIRC.
>>
>> You could run it without the motion, I imagine.
>>
>> Any insider info on how to try and get one (not for the home...for a
>> University)?
>>
>>>
>>> You're right, the A-4 final update (stand-alone vice 4 to a deck) would
> fit
>>> in a garage. A much more user friendly system as well, both for the
> techies
>>> and the operator.
>>
>
>

[w4okw]

Hey Dud, your right, some things you never forget, especially when you are
havin fun!!
Tom at Pax

--------------------------------------------------
Sounds good Jake!

Yep TPS will hang on to the old gal as long as they can. We even have one
at VX-20 to chase the NP-2000 (that is an E-2 with the new 8 bladed props).
That thing sounds like a mosquito on steroids!

I understand that either 10 or 86 will get some T-6A's to get the 'FOs some
glass cockpit time. We have one at Pax and it is sweet!

Tom
"Jake Donovan" > wrote in message
news:OW_yc.6403$qg.4279@lakeread06...
> Hey Tom, LTNS
>
> My understanding is they are going to keep a couple of T2s at PAX for
> undetermined time as we really don't have a platform that can take it's
> place for OFC.
>
> VT 86 in Pensacola is going to take delivery of a handful of T2's to
augment
> their stable of Buckeys for NFO training.
>
> Next time I am in your neighborhood, I'll stop by.
>
> Jake
>
>
> "w4okw" > wrote in message
> ...
> > We still have a few here at Pax River for the Test Pilot School boys to
> beat
> > up!
> >
> > Gerry "Spinmeister" Gallagher still spends more time in OCF than the
rest
> of
> > the kids have in their logbooks!
> >
> > Tom Clarke
> > Pax Herk Driver
> > ----------------------------------------------
> > "Mike Kanze" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Curiosity question:
> > >
> > > What is happening to all the T-2s phased out of service?
> > >
> > > Davis- Monthan? (Somehow "War Reserve" just doesn't sound right for
the
> > > Mississippi MiG.)
> > > Foreign sales?
> > > Civilian sales?
> > > Smelter?
> > > Artificial reef?
> > >
> > > I assume several have / will become gate guards.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mike Kanze
> > >
> > > "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to
> fill
> > > the world with fools."
> > >
> > > - Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Dudley Henriques]

"w4okw" > wrote in message
...
> Hey Dud, your right, some things you never forget, especially when you
are
> havin fun!!
> Tom at Pax

I hope TPS manages to hang on to a few. That OCF program was one of the
best in the Navy. Hell....it was one of the best in the SERVICES for
that matter!! :-) A lot of guys are alive today, and birds were
recovered that might not have been recovered were it not for that OCF
program.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
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