Navy jet rolls into S.D. Bay on landing

[Otis Willie]

Navy jet rolls into S.D. Bay on landing

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20040827-9999-7m27plane.html

{EXCERPT}, by David E. Graham UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

August 27, 2004

A Navy fighter jet ended up in San Diego Bay last night after it ran
out of runway while landing at North Island Naval Air Station.

The lone pilot ejected before the plane hit the water, and he ended up
in the bay and was pulled from the water, officials said. The pilot,
apparently uninjured, told rescuers...

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[Elmshoot]

I love the part about "Lucky" being painted on the side of the plane. In the
photo there is no squadron markings on the tail. Have they been removed?
I have seen two planes with my name on them end up in class A mishaps. I never
was a fan of my name on the side of the plane.
Sparky

[Pechs1]

Why North Island-rework?

Also wonder why he didn't just takeoff again after he realized he had no
brakes..but monday monring QBing is ohh so easy.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

[Allen Epps]

In article >, Pechs1
> wrote:

> Why North Island-rework?
>
> Also wonder why he didn't just takeoff again after he realized he had no
> brakes..but monday monring QBing is ohh so easy.
> P. C. Chisholm
> CDR, USN(ret.)
> Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Or drop the hook and roll into the long field gear.... As you say MMQB
is easy
Pugs

[Mike Kanze]

>I love the part about "Lucky" being painted on the side of the plane.

Reminds me of the joke "lost dog" poster one sees every so often:

"LOST DOG - One eye, cauliflower ear, mangy matted coat with many scars,
gimpy left rear leg and crooked tail. Indeterminate breed ('Heinz 57
Varieties'). Mostly toothless, castrated. Answers to the name of 'Lucky.'"

--
Mike Kanze

"He (John Kerry) said, it is unconscionable to use the tragic memory of a
war in order to get elected, unless of course, it's the Vietnam War."

- Jay Leno


"Elmshoot" > wrote in message
...
>I love the part about "Lucky" being painted on the side of the plane. In
>the
> photo there is no squadron markings on the tail. Have they been removed?
> I have seen two planes with my name on them end up in class A mishaps. I
> never
> was a fan of my name on the side of the plane.
> Sparky

[Larry]

"Elmshoot" > wrote in message
...
> I love the part about "Lucky" being painted on the side of the plane. In
the
> photo there is no squadron markings on the tail. Have they been removed?
> I have seen two planes with my name on them end up in class A mishaps. I
never
> was a fan of my name on the side of the plane.
> Sparky

>'Sparky' said: I never was a fan of my name on the side of the plane.

You don't have personalized plates on your car do you? :-)

(¯`·._.· £ãrrÿ ·._.·´¯)

[Thomas Schoene]

Allen Epps wrote:
> In article >, Pechs1
> > wrote:
>
>> Why North Island-rework?
>>
>> Also wonder why he didn't just takeoff again after he realized he
>> had no brakes..but monday monring QBing is ohh so easy.
>> P. C. Chisholm
>> CDR, USN(ret.)
>> Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat
>> Buckeye Phlyer
>
> Or drop the hook and roll into the long field gear.... As you say MMQB
> is easy
> Pugs

Further to this, the San Diego Union-Tribune now reports that the plane had
diverted due to low fuel while conducting carrier qualifications. So
perhaps he had cut it so fine that he didn't have enough gas for a second
circuit. That would explain why he didn't take off when he discovered lost
braking. Why he didn't take the field arrestment is still anyone's guess;
maybe he just didn't have the presence of mind to drop the hook again (the
gear would be rigged all the time, yes?). Or could the same thing that
killed the brakes (hydraulics failure?) do the hook as well?

The good news is that it's a short trip to the F/A-18 repair facilities. If
you're going to break a plane, having the decency to do it right outside the
shop is nice. :-)

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[Mike Weeks]

>From: "Thomas Schoene"
>Date: 8/28/2004 17:31 Pacific Daylight Time

>Why he didn't take the field arrestment is still anyone's guess;
>maybe he just didn't have the presence of mind to drop the hook again (the
>gear would be rigged all the time, yes?).

Is the gear always on both runways at NI?

MW

[Larry]

"Thomas Schoene" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Allen Epps wrote:
> > In article >, Pechs1
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Why North Island-rework?
> >>
> >> Also wonder why he didn't just takeoff again after he realized he
> >> had no brakes..but monday monring QBing is ohh so easy.
> >> P. C. Chisholm
> >> CDR, USN(ret.)
> >> Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat
> >> Buckeye Phlyer
> >
> > Or drop the hook and roll into the long field gear.... As you say MMQB
> > is easy
> > Pugs
>
> Further to this, the San Diego Union-Tribune now reports that the plane
had
> diverted due to low fuel while conducting carrier qualifications. So
> perhaps he had cut it so fine that he didn't have enough gas for a second
> circuit. That would explain why he didn't take off when he discovered
lost
> braking. Why he didn't take the field arrestment is still anyone's guess;
> maybe he just didn't have the presence of mind to drop the hook again (the
> gear would be rigged all the time, yes?). Or could the same thing that
> killed the brakes (hydraulics failure?) do the hook as well?

The hook is released mechanicly and held down with 'dashpot air' (nitrogen
preload to prevent hook skip).

(¯`·._.· £ãrrÿ ·._.·´¯)

[Allen Epps]

In article >, Mike Weeks
> wrote:

> >From: "Thomas Schoene"
> >Date: 8/28/2004 17:31 Pacific Daylight Time
>
> >Why he didn't take the field arrestment is still anyone's guess;
> >maybe he just didn't have the presence of mind to drop the hook again (the
> >gear would be rigged all the time, yes?).
>
> Is the gear always on both runways at NI?
>
> MW

It's been two years since I've been there for a CQ trip but at least
the long field was always rigged on the active. The short field often
gets taken up at many fields that host a lot of small a/c (c-12's and
such) since landing short of it and rolling over it can damage their
gear and landing on top of it almost always knocks it out of battery
nessitating a trip by the maintainers out to reset and the associated
closing of the runway for a short time. Certainly in a bingo situation
they would send him to the runway with the gear rigged.
Pugs

[billwg]

"Thomas Schoene" > wrote in message
ink.net...
....>
> The good news is that it's a short trip to the F/A-18 repair facilities.
If
> you're going to break a plane, having the decency to do it right outside
the
> shop is nice. :-)
>
It seems to me that the shop is about 400 miles north of there at Lemoore.
That's a pretty long tow.

[Dave in San Diego]

"billwg" > wrote in news:I_mYc.8509$%D6.493
@twister.tampabay.rr.com:

>
> "Thomas Schoene" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> ...>
>> The good news is that it's a short trip to the F/A-18 repair facilities.
> If
>> you're going to break a plane, having the decency to do it right outside
> the
>> shop is nice. :-)
>>
> It seems to me that the shop is about 400 miles north of there at Lemoore.
> That's a pretty long tow.

The depot facility, which would be doing the repair regardless of crash site,
is at North Island. That's where they did the Blue Angels mods on that set of
a/c.

[Mike Weeks]

>From: Allen Epps
>Date: 8/29/2004 05:09 Pacific Daylight Time

>In article >, Mike Weeks
> wrote:
>
>> >From: "Thomas Schoene"
>> >Date: 8/28/2004 17:31 Pacific Daylight Time
>>
>> >Why he didn't take the field arrestment is still anyone's guess;
>> >maybe he just didn't have the presence of mind to drop the hook again (the
>> >gear would be rigged all the time, yes?).
>>
>> Is the gear always on both runways at NI?
>>
>> MW
>
>It's been two years since I've been there for a CQ trip but at least
>the long field was always rigged on the active. The short field often
>gets taken up at many fields that host a lot of small a/c (c-12's and
>such) since landing short of it and rolling over it can damage their
>gear and landing on top of it almost always knocks it out of battery
>nessitating a trip by the maintainers out to reset and the associated
>closing of the runway for a short time. Certainly in a bingo situation
>they would send him to the runway with the gear rigged.

The reason for the question deals with the report there was only the West-East
runway available. The longer N-S one was under repair.

MW

[Ed]

"billwg" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Thomas Schoene" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> ...>
> > The good news is that it's a short trip to the F/A-18 repair facilities.
> If
> > you're going to break a plane, having the decency to do it right outside
> the
> > shop is nice. :-)
> >
> It seems to me that the shop is about 400 miles north of there at Lemoore.
> That's a pretty long tow.
>

Actually, the info comes from the newpaper articles that say that the FA18
repair facility is at North Island.

Ed

- snip -

> The good news is that it's a short trip to the F/A-18 repair facilities.
If
> you're going to break a plane, having the decency to do it right outside
the
> shop is nice. :-)

A short trip but a long stay at NADEP NI - they never get anything out in
time

[Elmshoot]

>Long shot question: What would be the probability of having a tanker
>sitting around nearby?
>

During rountine flight ops with a bingo field available. The general rules are
that if a plane gets sent on a bingo he WILL NEVER turn back for a tanker. If
the tanker can get ahead of him then it is considered OK to tank enroute to the
bingo field. I don'yt think I have ever seen that done during normal routine
flight ops.


Now On a WestPAc Connie 89 in the North PAc I was launched as the alert tanker
when the ship got a Tipper the bears were out looking for us out of Vlad. The
fog set in (no wonder with a < 1 degree temp dewpoint spred) The ship broke
emcon to call us back since they realized that the airborne alerts were in deep
do do. 1 tomcat 1 FAG 1 Hoover 1 Hummer and me in the KA-6. I started back to
the ship and was thinking something was up with the weather. They wanted us to
buster and gave us case 3 marshal instructions starting at 5K. We defered the
altitude and got holding at 20K this would save us gas as well as give us
additional range if we needed to bingo. However we were Blue water ops. I
called the ondeck turning tanker on the back radio on the squadron freq. I
asked what the Wx was like. "****ty" was the reply. We started to figure out
were we could go if need be Shimmia was about 400NM north of the ship and we
were holding North of the ship. After the helo tried to get aboard seval times
with LSO help they finally relented and We headed N to Shimmia I had
anticipated the bingo so I was already 100 NM north of the ship in my holding
pattern so the Fighters who were sceaming for gas just chased us down and got
there confort fuel. Spent the next day Wx in on the rock then back to the ship
the next day. This was occuring the same time the Tienaman sq thing was going
on since we had not heard anything about it until we saw it on the TV.
Sparky

[Joe Delphi]

Just to get the lingo down...

1 FAG = Fighter Air To Ground? = F/A-18??


"Elmshoot" > wrote in message
...
> The ship broke
> emcon to call us back since they realized that the airborne alerts were in
deep
> do do. 1 tomcat 1 FAG 1 Hoover 1 Hummer and me in the KA-6.

[Doug \Woody\ and Erin Beal]

On 9/2/04 5:46 PM, in article
et, "Joe Delphi"
> wrote:

> Just to get the lingo down...
>
> 1 FAG = Fighter Air To Ground? = F/A-18??
>
>
> "Elmshoot" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The ship broke
>> emcon to call us back since they realized that the airborne alerts were in
> deep
>> do do. 1 tomcat 1 FAG 1 Hoover 1 Hummer and me in the KA-6.
>
>

Derogatory term for the Hornet dude. Fighter/Attack Guy. Used to use the
term all the time before I drank the Kool Aid.

--Woody

[Mike Weeks]

>From: "Doug \"Woody\" and Erin Beal"
>Date: 9/2/2004 18:15 Pacific Daylight Time

>Derogatory term for the Hornet dude. Fighter/Attack Guy. Used to use the
>term all the time before I drank the Kool Aid.

Let's see if you'll have to explain what you drank ... <g>

MW

[Paul Michael Brown]

> Now On a WestPAc Connie 89 in the North PAc I was launched as the alert tanker
> when the ship got a Tipper the bears were out looking for us out of Vlad.

Remainder of excellent and evocative post snipped to conserve bandwidth.

Yet another example of why I wade though all the political bilge that's
posted here. When I discover such a superb post from somebody who: (1) is
not a troll, and (2) has been there, done that -- it's all worthwhile.

Bravo Zulo Mr. Elmshoot. Keep up the good work.

[Doug \Woody\ and Erin Beal]

On 9/3/04 9:35 PM, in article ,
"wdossel" > wrote:
>
> Reminds me of the famous LSO call when we were doing our Jerry
> Tuttle-EX in the North Atlantic, clobbered w/fog "Keep it coming
> Hummer, we hear you..." 'course the comfort bit was set as we
> launched with the fog horn going and the rest of the launch was cnx'd
> shortly after that...
>
> " Strike, Bluetail, what do you guys want us to do now?"
> "Proceed on station"
> "But we thought the event was cnx'd?"
> "It was, AB sez to proceed to station" (200+ miles away)
> "Yeah...roger Strike"
> (that was the slowest I think we ever went to station)
> Will Dossel
> Last of the Steeljaws (VAW-122)

I've known a few guys to hear that call. CVW-15 NORPAC 89. Same deal.
Fog.

"403, Clara."
"Keep it comin' 403. You're soundin' good."

If I heard the story correctly, they recovered about 17 jets.

Same air wing did the same thing about 6 years later too.

[Pechs1]

Doug-<< I've known a few guys to hear that call. CVW-15 NORPAC 89. Same deal.
Fog. >><BR><BR>

Samo around 1982 or so, Coral Sea, Midway and Enterprise, north Pacific. Bunch
of A/C to Shemya(KC-10 overhead), 1000 mi+ divert. E-2 almost hit the island.
F-14s from Enterprise onboard Midway(don't paint the F-14s!!!).

great fun.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

[Elmshoot]

>Reminds me of the famous LSO call when we were doing our Jerry
>Tuttle-EX in the North Atlantic, clobbered w/fog "Keep it coming
>Hummer, we hear you..."

When we got back from shimmia we were in the landing pattern there was a 45
knot xwind at 1200 feet the fis was down to less that 3/4 mile. The call was
"99 taxi lights on in the landing pattern you won't see the deck until about
100' " that's only about 40' above the flight deck. For my approach the ball
call was clara they said keep it coming. At about 1/2 mile it was paddles
contact at 150' i called ball one right for line up and I got an OK 2 wire with
a PNUAR that was when I saw the ship!
This insanity can be addictive.
Sparky

[Elmshoot]

>"Yeah...roger Strike"
>> (that was the slowest I think we ever went to station)

Yep, I have had a few flights were I flew at L/D max for the entire hop when
the safe recovery on my plane was in doubt.
Sparky

[Prowlus]

is it just m,e or does that bug looks as if its enjoying the good dip in the drink?

[Doug \Woody\ and Erin Beal]

On 9/5/04 8:56 PM, in article
, "Prowlus"
> wrote:

> is it just m,e or does that bug looks as if its enjoying the good dip in the
> drink?

It's just you.