Carrier readiness?

[rob]

Hi

Somebody who knows nothing here :-)

I was wondering how alert a carrier is during a normal peacetime cruise
Do they constantly have early warning aircraft aloft?
If something untoward happens how long would it take to be fully battle
ready?

[Pechs1]

roball-<< I was wondering how alert a carrier is during a normal peacetime
cruise
Do they constantly have early warning aircraft aloft?
If something untoward happens how long would it take to be fully battle
ready? >><BR><BR>

We stood alert all the time when at sea, normally alert 15 but sometimes alert
5(airborne in that time frame). Ship was always 'ready', cats with steam, etc.
E-2 and other assets also stood alert all the time. If in a fairly benign
envirnment, I'd say about 15-30 minutes.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

[Andrew C. Toppan]

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:22:21 +1200, "rob" > wrote:

>I was wondering how alert a carrier is during a normal peacetime cruise

What kind of cruise? You mean deployment? Or training cruise? Or
Tiger Cruise? Or stateside going-from-here-to-there cruise? They
might not even have any aircraft aboard, depending on the
circumstance.

--
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"Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today,
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[Michael Wise]

In article >,
Andrew C. Toppan > wrote:

> >I was wondering how alert a carrier is during a normal peacetime cruise
>
> What kind of cruise? You mean deployment? Or training cruise? Or
> Tiger Cruise? Or stateside going-from-here-to-there cruise? They
> might not even have any aircraft aboard, depending on the
> circumstance.


In Navy parlance (at least CV/CVN) a "cruise" means a 6 or 6+ month
deployment.


Training deployments are not called "cruises" (at least not by people in
the Navy); they are called "work-ups"...and there is ALWAYS at least
some aircraft aboard (minimum 2-3 helos) I don't think anybody
interprets a tiger cruise as a cruise, although they very often are at
the tale end of real cruises (in the Pac fleet, on return from a real
cruise and coming aboard at Hawaii).

To answer the original poster; Even in peace time, a carrier and it's
CVW can achieve war time footing very quickly even in peace time. All it
takes is moving the missiles, bombs, ammo, and torpedos up the weapons
elevators and getting them loaded.


In an HS example (which is all I can speak competently about), we're
talking maybe 2-3 hours to get the torps and depth charges up to the
flight deck and loaded and maybe 30-45 minutes to get the door guns up
and loaded.


--Mike

[Andrew C. Toppan]

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 01:39:06 GMT, Michael Wise > wrote:

>In Navy parlance (at least CV/CVN) a "cruise" means a 6 or 6+ month
>deployment.

Since he said it was a newbie question, I figured it was a more
generic definition of "cruise", not the Navy's specific (and somewhat
obscure) version.

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[Andrew C. Toppan]

On 15 Sep 2004 03:11:07 GMT, Clark > wrote:

>Wah, Wah, Wah. When you are wrong, admit it and move on.

That would be fine if I was wrong. I gave a reasonable and correct
answer - just not the one YOU wanted. Why are you the arbiter of what
is correct?

--
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[rob]

Thanks to all for the replies

[Larry]

"Clark" > wrote in message
...
> Andrew C. Toppan > wrote in
> :
>
> > On 15 Sep 2004 03:11:07 GMT, Clark > wrote:
> >
> >>Wah, Wah, Wah. When you are wrong, admit it and move on.
> >
> > That would be fine if I was wrong. I gave a reasonable and correct
> > answer - just not the one YOU wanted. Why are you the arbiter of what
> > is correct?
> >
> It has nothing to do with my wants, it has to do with your error. To wit:
Mr.
> Wise correctly noted there will always be aircraft on a carrier.

A more accurate statement is that there is *usually* aircraft on a carrier.

Larry
AECS (AW/SW/MTS)
USN 'Retired'
20 years if gettin 'em off the pointy end
AND safely home again!

[Dave in San diego]

Clark > wrote in
:

> Andrew C. Toppan > wrote in
> :
>
>> On 15 Sep 2004 03:11:07 GMT, Clark > wrote:
>>
>>>Wah, Wah, Wah. When you are wrong, admit it and move on.
>>
>> That would be fine if I was wrong. I gave a reasonable and correct
>> answer - just not the one YOU wanted. Why are you the arbiter of
>> what is correct?
>>
> It has nothing to do with my wants, it has to do with your error. To
> wit: Mr. Wise correctly noted there will always be aircraft on a
> carrier. You neglected to note the error of your comment, much less
> accept the correction.
>
> In short, you *are* wrong, twice now.

In my experience of serving on a carrier, there were NOT always aircraft
aboard. I don't recall ever pulling into our home port with embarked a/c,
and there were a couple of times when we went almost 24 hrs unadorned
with flying machines of any type when we were close to home. What say,
Pechs? We were there at the same time - CV-41.

[Larry]

"Dave in San diego" > wrote in message
. ..
> Clark > wrote in
> :
>
> > Andrew C. Toppan > wrote in
> > :
> >
> >> On 15 Sep 2004 03:11:07 GMT, Clark > wrote:
> >>
> >>>Wah, Wah, Wah. When you are wrong, admit it and move on.
> >>
> >> That would be fine if I was wrong. I gave a reasonable and correct
> >> answer - just not the one YOU wanted. Why are you the arbiter of
> >> what is correct?
> >>
> > It has nothing to do with my wants, it has to do with your error. To
> > wit: Mr. Wise correctly noted there will always be aircraft on a
> > carrier. You neglected to note the error of your comment, much less
> > accept the correction.
> >
> > In short, you *are* wrong, twice now.
>
> In my experience of serving on a carrier, there were NOT always aircraft
> aboard.

Agreed.

In fact, occasionally the flight deck is packed with POV's for a *special
transit*. POV's are more commonly known as automobiles for those of you
folks not used to Navy jargon. :-))

Larry
AECS (AW/SW/MTS)
USN 'Usta Be'

[Pechs1]

Dave-<< I don't recall ever pulling into our home port with embarked a/c,
and there were a couple of times when we went almost 24 hrs unadorned
with flying machines of any type when we were close to home. What say,
Pechs? We were there at the same time - CV-41. >><BR><BR>

Yep, both on Midway-maru and the FID and Indy. Sometimes when we were pulling
out quickly, Midway would keep the airwing aboard, but most of the time, off to
Atsugi-nay.

Always during workups on eastcoast CVs, the boat never had the airwing onboard
and I have gotten traps on Ike, when it was new, during their initial sea
trials. No airwing on board. I trapped and there were two Pax River jets doing
SPN-41/2 certs a helo or two, nothing else. W/o an airwing, the IKE was
BIG...particularly after being on the 'small' boats(FID, Indy, Midway).
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

[Andrew C. Toppan]

On 19 Sep 2004 04:21:16 GMT, Clark > wrote:

>It has nothing to do with my wants, it has to do with your error. To wit: Mr.
>Wise correctly noted there will always be aircraft on a carrier. You
>neglected to note the error of your comment, much less accept the correction.

Always, huh?

So there's never ever been a carrier underway without aircraft on
board?

Maybe you should reconsider that.

--
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"Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today,
Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/

[Andrew C. Toppan]

On 19 Sep 2004 04:21:16 GMT, Clark > wrote:

>It has nothing to do with my wants, it has to do with your error. To wit: Mr.
>Wise correctly noted there will always be aircraft on a carrier. You
>neglected to note the error of your comment, much less accept the correction.

Hey look at this...no fewer than *three* carrier sailors attesting to
the complete absence of aircraft on their carriers at various times!

So who's wrong *twice* now?

--
Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself"
"Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today,
Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/

[William Hughes]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:25:42 -0400, in rec.aviation.military.naval Andrew C.
Toppan > wrote:

> On 19 Sep 2004 04:21:16 GMT, Clark > wrote:
>
> >It has nothing to do with my wants, it has to do with your error. To wit: Mr.
> >Wise correctly noted there will always be aircraft on a carrier. You
> >neglected to note the error of your comment, much less accept the correction.
>
> Always, huh?
>
> So there's never ever been a carrier underway without aircraft on
> board?
>
> Maybe you should reconsider that.

Andrew, we know what your bona fides are (http://www.hazegray.org), but I wonder
about Mr. Clark's...

[Larry]

"Andrew C. Toppan" > wrote in message
...
> On 19 Sep 2004 04:21:16 GMT, Clark > wrote:
>
> >It has nothing to do with my wants, it has to do with your error. To wit:
Mr.
> >Wise correctly noted there will always be aircraft on a carrier. You
> >neglected to note the error of your comment, much less accept the
correction.
>
> Always, huh?
>
> So there's never ever been a carrier underway without aircraft on
> board?
>
> Maybe you should reconsider that.

I'm not adding to the lil '****ing contest' here, but I came across some
pics of Nimits class carriers underway:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/cvn-68_i.htm

I'm searching for a view I've seen taken underway, of the flight deck
completly covered with private vehicles. This happens during a Homeport
Change and it's kinda cool to see.

Larry
AECS (AW/SW/MTS)
USN 'Retired'
20 years if gettin 'em off the pointy end
AND safely home again!

[Ogden Johnson III]

William Hughes > wrote:

>Andrew C. Toppan > wrote:

>> Clark > wrote:

>> >It has nothing to do with my wants, it has to do with your error. To wit: Mr.
>> >Wise correctly noted there will always be aircraft on a carrier. You
>> >neglected to note the error of your comment, much less accept the correction.

>> Always, huh?
>>
>> So there's never ever been a carrier underway without aircraft on
>> board?
>>
>> Maybe you should reconsider that.

>Andrew, we know what your bona fides are (http://www.hazegray.org), but I wonder
>about Mr. Clark's...

I'm wondering if he is the third brother of Stan Clark. Or Stan
Clark himself under a new email addy/nym; or Stan's idiot brother
under a new email addy/num. Erring on the safe side, I have
tucked the new Clark away with the other two, since he seems to
have nothing more to offer s.m.n than they did.
--
OJ III
[Email to Yahoo address may be burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]

[Theecmo]

Typical carrier operations on deployment call for various aircraft to be in
a ready status for launch. The amount of time for an "alert" depends on the
area of the world and the current threat estimates for the operating area.
These can range from about 30 minutes to 5 minutes (which is folks in the
cockpit and on the catapults). A carrier air wing is always "fully battle
ready" when on deployment. Again, depending on the alert level you can have
a fully armed and ready strike group in the air in a matter of minutes. Of
course, you must remember that just because you are in the air, you still
have to get where you are going and that's a question of physics.

"rob" > wrote in message
...
> Hi
>
> Somebody who knows nothing here :-)
>
> I was wondering how alert a carrier is during a normal peacetime cruise
> Do they constantly have early warning aircraft aloft?
> If something untoward happens how long would it take to be fully battle
> ready?
>
>




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[Theecmo]

When were you on the Midway? I was 81-84.

"Dave in San diego" > wrote in message
. ..
> Clark > wrote in
> :
>
> > Andrew C. Toppan > wrote in
> > :
> >
> >> On 15 Sep 2004 03:11:07 GMT, Clark > wrote:
> >>
> >>>Wah, Wah, Wah. When you are wrong, admit it and move on.
> >>
> >> That would be fine if I was wrong. I gave a reasonable and correct
> >> answer - just not the one YOU wanted. Why are you the arbiter of
> >> what is correct?
> >>
> > It has nothing to do with my wants, it has to do with your error. To
> > wit: Mr. Wise correctly noted there will always be aircraft on a
> > carrier. You neglected to note the error of your comment, much less
> > accept the correction.
> >
> > In short, you *are* wrong, twice now.
>
> In my experience of serving on a carrier, there were NOT always aircraft
> aboard. I don't recall ever pulling into our home port with embarked a/c,
> and there were a couple of times when we went almost 24 hrs unadorned
> with flying machines of any type when we were close to home. What say,
> Pechs? We were there at the same time - CV-41.




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[Andrew C. Toppan]

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:47:59 -0400, "Theecmo" >
wrote:

> A carrier air wing is always "fully battle
>ready" when on deployment.

Even during a Steel Beach or while in a foreign port?

Perhaps the definition of "fully" is variable.

--
Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself"
"Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today,
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[Pechs1]

andrew-<< Even during a Steel Beach or while in a foreign port? >><BR><BR>

Steel beach picnic in Indian Ocean, Midway. Some boilers off line and hardly
any wind over the deck. A-7s, with 1 sidewinder each, standing Alert 5...the
rest of us(F-4 guys) getting our 'tan off the coast of Iran'.


P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

[Pechs1]

theecmo-<< When were you on the Midway? I was 81-84. >><BR><BR>

I was November '80, June '83, VF-151.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

[Michael Wise]

In article >,
Andrew C. Toppan > wrote:

> > A carrier air wing is always "fully battle
> >ready" when on deployment.
>
> Even during a Steel Beach or while in a foreign port?


During all our steel beaches, there were always alert-5 and alert-15
aircraft.


--Mike

[Sanderson]

You are a nitwit.

-Sanderson


Andrew C. Toppan > wrote in
:

> On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:47:59 -0400, "Theecmo" >
> wrote:
>
>> A carrier air wing is always "fully battle
>>ready" when on deployment.
>
> Even during a Steel Beach or while in a foreign port?
>
> Perhaps the definition of "fully" is variable.
>
> --
> Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself"
> "Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today,
> Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/
>
>

[Andrew C. Toppan]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:07:04 +0000, Sanderson >
wrote:

>You are a nitwit.

And how have you established your credentials here?

--
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[Andrew C. Toppan]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:42:29 GMT, Michael Wise > wrote:

>During all our steel beaches, there were always alert-5 and alert-15
>aircraft.

Like I said, the definition of "fully battle ready" can vary. I don't
think the condition you describe is "fully" battle ready in any way.
Perhaps capable of basic self defense, which is a rather different
thing.

--
Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself"
"Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today,
Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/

[Michael Wise]

In article >,
Andrew C. Toppan > wrote:

> >During all our steel beaches, there were always alert-5 and alert-15
> >aircraft.
>
> Like I said, the definition of "fully battle ready" can vary. I don't
> think the condition you describe is "fully" battle ready in any way.
> Perhaps capable of basic self defense, which is a rather different
> thing.


Perhaps so. In my mind's eye, "fully battle ready" (in the context of a
CV/CVN) would mean: the ship is at GQ and all tactical air assets are
armed and ready for launch.

In peace time, this is not often the case, but it doesn't take long to
get to that stage...even when steel beach is in progress. Alert crews
are ALWAYS at the ready for all CVW assets and the weapons are just a
bomb elevator and an AO-squad away from being ready.

BTW, which carrier did you serve on and when?


--Mike

[John R Weiss]

81-83

"Theecmo" > wrote...
> When were you on the Midway? I was 81-84.

[Jim Pankey]

There is no way there will 'always be' aircraft on a carrier. There will,
however, always be booze. :)

Jim Pankey, PR1, USN (Ret.)--veteran of 6 bird farms.

"Clark" > wrote in message
...
> Andrew C. Toppan > wrote in
> :
>
> > On 15 Sep 2004 03:11:07 GMT, Clark > wrote:
> >
> >>Wah, Wah, Wah. When you are wrong, admit it and move on.
> >
> > That would be fine if I was wrong. I gave a reasonable and correct
> > answer - just not the one YOU wanted. Why are you the arbiter of what
> > is correct?
> >
> It has nothing to do with my wants, it has to do with your error. To wit:
Mr.
> Wise correctly noted there will always be aircraft on a carrier. You
> neglected to note the error of your comment, much less accept the
correction.
>
> In short, you *are* wrong, twice now.
>
>
>