Apis and Viva production acquired by Yuneec aircraft, Shanghai

[cernauta]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/business/global/20iht-ravyuneec.html?ref=

[Dave Nadler]

On Jul 20, 1:02*pm, cernauta > wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/business/global/20iht-ravyuneec.htm...

The article vaguely states Yuneec has acquired the designs.
I'm guessing this is a design license, not production ?
I'll ask them when I see them at Oshkosh next week...

Best Regards, Dave

[Brad[_2_]]

On Jul 21, 4:24*am, Dave Nadler > wrote:
> On Jul 20, 1:02*pm, cernauta > wrote:
>
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/business/global/20iht-ravyuneec.htm...
>
> The article vaguely states Yuneec has acquired the designs.
> I'm guessing this is a design license, not production ?
> I'll ask them when I see them at Oshkosh next week...
>
> Best Regards, Dave

see if they have a smallish sized motor and prop that could fit into
the engine bay in my Apis-13, I retro-fitted the compartment a few
years ago but never added an engine. My thought was an electric
sustainer.

Thanks,
Brad

[Dave Nadler]

On Jul 21, 10:08*am, Brad > wrote:
> On Jul 21, 4:24*am, Dave Nadler > wrote:
>
> > On Jul 20, 1:02*pm, cernauta > wrote:
>
> > >http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/business/global/20iht-ravyuneec.htm....
>
> > The article vaguely states Yuneec has acquired the designs.
> > I'm guessing this is a design license, not production ?
> > I'll ask them when I see them at Oshkosh next week...
>
> > Best Regards, Dave
>
> see if they have a smallish sized motor and prop that could fit into
> the engine bay in my Apis-13, I retro-fitted the compartment a few
> years ago but never added an engine. My thought was an electric
> sustainer.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad

Hi Brad - Yuneec has a wide range of motors, controllers, and props
(they come from model aircraft world). Your problem will be the
batteries...
See ya, Dave

[Brad[_2_]]

On Jul 21, 9:52*am, Dave Nadler > wrote:
> On Jul 21, 10:08*am, Brad > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 21, 4:24*am, Dave Nadler > wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 20, 1:02*pm, cernauta > wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/business/global/20iht-ravyuneec.htm...
>
> > > The article vaguely states Yuneec has acquired the designs.
> > > I'm guessing this is a design license, not production ?
> > > I'll ask them when I see them at Oshkosh next week...
>
> > > Best Regards, Dave
>
> > see if they have a smallish sized motor and prop that could fit into
> > the engine bay in my Apis-13, I retro-fitted the compartment a few
> > years ago but never added an engine. My thought was an electric
> > sustainer.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Brad
>
> Hi Brad - Yuneec has a wide range of motors, controllers, and props
> (they come from model aircraft world). Your problem will be the
> batteries...
> See ya, Dave

yup, it's always the batteries...................heavy and expensive?

Brad

[EvValentin808]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/business/global/20iht-ravyuneec.html?ref=Sounds good! I'm positive Thailand may get glidng going if Yuneec did this, because I browsed some Thai PPG forums and fansites, and there were a lot of hype on Yuneec's PPG and were talking about their PPG being sold here.

Gotta get training first, THEN my own Apis!

[Bob Luten]

I'm seriously contemplating putting Yuneec's 20 KW (27 hp) motor and
about 4 KWh of battery into my Apis M. It seems to me that about 8
KWh would be ideal for my "mission", but that may be too heavy. We'll
see. Performance should be about equivalent to an Apis Bee (Hirth
F33) but without most of the density altitude and in-flight (high
altitude) startup issues. I also modified my M (15m) fuselage to
accommodate the Bee mast and engine, but then held off when the
(Yuneec) electric option started looking real.

I'll be talking to all the key players next week at Oshkosh. If
things go well (i.e. pricing is acceptable), I anticipate placing an
order for at least the motor, controller and a single battery pack (2
KWh) to support some integration and ground testing as soon as they
can deliver.

I'm also puzzled about the Apis design going to Yuneec. I haven't
seen/heard anything from Pipistrel, but I'll be chasing that question,
and visiting Slovenia, this fall.

[Bob Luten]

On Jul 21, 9:52*am, Dave Nadler > wrote:
> On Jul 21, 10:08*am, Brad > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 21, 4:24*am, Dave Nadler > wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 20, 1:02*pm, cernauta > wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/business/global/20iht-ravyuneec.htm...
>
> > > The article vaguely states Yuneec has acquired the designs.
> > > I'm guessing this is a design license, not production ?
> > > I'll ask them when I see them at Oshkosh next week...
>
Dave,

On a closely related subject, I am interested in any tilt-up self-
launch implementations that close the main engine bay doors at the end
of the mast extract cycle and then somehow reopen the doors to allow
retraction. As I recall, the Antares does that, but Dick Vangrunsven
(reasonably close to me) couldn't tell me how his did it. The two
choices seem to be (1) electric actuators, or (2) some sort of monkey-
motion mechanical arrangement.

Can you tell me/us how the Antares does it?

Thanks,

[Darryl Ramm]

On Jul 21, 7:16*pm, EvValentin808
> wrote:
> Between:
>
> Schleicher (small lever underneath panel between legs)
>
> Shempp-Hirth (slider knob on cockpit wall)
>
> Glaser-Dirks/DG (large white push-pull knob)
>
> Pipistrel (rotating knob(Rotax version), or rotating dial(electro))
>
> Albastar (large lever on left-side of cockpit)
>
> TeST (rotating lever on control stick)
>
> Other(please list)
>
> --
> EvValentin808

What is this 20 questions? You've been here on r.a.s. shotgunning off
these questions one after the other. What is the point to all this?
Who cares what one glider or motor glider has for a throttle control
or many of other specific little questions, you pick the overall
package and there are things orders of magnitude more important than
this to worry about if you are a serious purchaser.

You have asked questions before about learning to fly and you did not
reply to questions from other people about where you are located. So
can you provide some more information about yourself (or please stop
trolling though r.a.s with these questions). Where are you located? Do
you have a glider or pilots certificate? How much glider or other
flight experience? What is the point of these specific questions? What
real world purchase decision are you trying to make? (there may be
specific type motorglider groups you should talking to if at all
serious about a motorglider).

Darryl

[Dave Nadler]

On Jul 22, 1:11*am, Bob Luten > wrote:
> ....
> I'm also puzzled about the Apis design going to Yuneec. *I haven't
> seen/heard anything from Pipistrel, but I'll be chasing that question,
> and visiting Slovenia, this fall.

That's a different Apis. Astute observers have noticed several (!)
different designs that look, ahem, remarkably similar. Some even
with the same name. Long tale with lawyers involved...

Stop by and say hello at Oshkosh,
Best Regards, Dave

[Dave Nadler]

On Jul 22, 1:19*am, Bob Luten > wrote:
> On Jul 21, 9:52*am, Dave Nadler > wrote:> On Jul 21, 10:08*am, Brad > wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 21, 4:24*am, Dave Nadler > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 20, 1:02*pm, cernauta > wrote:
>
> > > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/business/global/20iht-ravyuneec.htm...
>
> > > > The article vaguely states Yuneec has acquired the designs.
> > > > I'm guessing this is a design license, not production ?
> > > > I'll ask them when I see them at Oshkosh next week...
>
> Dave,
>
> On a closely related subject, I am interested in any tilt-up self-
> launch implementations that close the main engine bay doors at the end
> of the mast extract cycle and then somehow reopen the doors to allow
> retraction. *As I recall, the Antares does that, but Dick Vangrunsven
> (reasonably close to me) couldn't tell me how his did it. *The two
> choices seem to be (1) electric actuators, or (2) some sort of monkey-
> motion mechanical arrangement.
>
> Can you tell me/us how the Antares does it?
>
> Thanks,

Antares has a hydraulic system, used for mast, engine bay doors,
and landing gear retraction. My P-tube is still manual, but wait for
next year.

See ya, Dave "YO electric"

[Frank Whiteley]

On Jul 22, 1:03*am, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
> On Jul 21, 7:16*pm, EvValentin808
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > Between:
>
> > Schleicher (small lever underneath panel between legs)
>
> > Shempp-Hirth (slider knob on cockpit wall)
>
> > Glaser-Dirks/DG (large white push-pull knob)
>
> > Pipistrel (rotating knob(Rotax version), or rotating dial(electro))
>
> > Albastar (large lever on left-side of cockpit)
>
> > TeST (rotating lever on control stick)
>
> > Other(please list)
>
> > --
> > EvValentin808
>
> What is this 20 questions? You've been here on r.a.s. shotgunning off
> these questions one after the other. What is the point to all this?
> Who cares what one glider or motor glider has for a throttle control
> or many of other specific little questions, you pick the overall
> package and there are things orders of magnitude more important than
> this to worry about if you are a serious purchaser.
>
> You have asked questions before about learning to fly and you did not
> reply to questions from other people about where you are located. So
> can you provide some more information about yourself (or please stop
> trolling though r.a.s with these questions). Where are you located? Do
> you have a glider or pilots certificate? How much glider or other
> flight experience? What is the point of these specific questions? What
> real world purchase decision are you trying to make? (there may be
> specific type motorglider groups you should talking to if at all
> serious about a motorglider).
>
> Darryl

He/she posted from AviationBanter.com which says he/she's student in
Thailand. In another thread, he/she's said age 19 and not yet started
flight training. He/she's made a total of 16 posts in 7 days in three
newsgroups, including a flickr page on the Bangkok Air Show
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45179369@N02/sets/72157624394402535/show/

So here we have someone who's done at least some homework, has
youthful inquisitiveness, and would like to see things develop in
Thailand.

Local access to soaring is likely rather limited, so he's turned to
r.a.s. with a bunch of questions. You don't have to read or respond.
As for me, give me another 10,000 more youth with this much burn for
aviation on RAS.

Frank Whiteley

[sisu1a]

> Schleicher (small lever underneath panel between legs)
>
> Shempp-Hirth (slider knob on cockpit wall)
>
> Glaser-Dirks/DG (large white push-pull knob)
>
> Pipistrel (rotating knob(Rotax version), or rotating dial(electro))
>
> Albastar (large lever on left-side of cockpit)
>
> TeST (rotating lever on control stick)
>
> Other(please list)
>

OTHER: Anares 20E, left hand multifunction single lever operation and
quite elegant:
http://www.lange-aviation.com/htm/english/products/antares_20e/propulsion.html
-scroll 3/4 down for pics etc. It's got my vote for 'best of' in your
cockpit lever shootout comparison. The upcoming Arcus E will prolly
have same arrangement, Dave?

-Paul

[Bob Whelan[_3_]]

On 7/22/2010 9:07 AM, Frank Whiteley wrote:

<O.P.'s question and a 'peed-in-Wheaties' intervening reply snipped...>

> He/she posted from AviationBanter.com which says he/she's student in
> Thailand. In another thread, he/she's said age 19 and not yet started
> flight training. He/she's made a total of 16 posts in 7 days in three
> newsgroups, including a flickr page on the Bangkok Air Show
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45179369@N02/sets/72157624394402535/show/
>
> So here we have someone who's done at least some homework, has
> youthful inquisitiveness, and would like to see things develop in
> Thailand.
>
> Local access to soaring is likely rather limited, so he's turned to
> r.a.s. with a bunch of questions. You don't have to read or respond.
> As for me, give me another 10,000 more youth with this much burn for
> aviation on RAS.
>
> Frank Whiteley

"What Frank said."

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think the sport of soaring is of such
robust health that we practitioners of it should arbitrarily decide "too
many/frequent questions" equates to "trolling."

Regards,
Bob W.

P.S. Keep the questions coming and - this being Usenet, after all - feel
free to ignore any free advice contained in the replies.

P.P.S. Not all free advice is worthless.

[Dave Nadler]

On Jul 22, 7:40*pm, sisu1a > wrote:
> > Schleicher (small lever underneath panel between legs)
>
> > Shempp-Hirth (slider knob on cockpit wall)
>
> > Glaser-Dirks/DG (large white push-pull knob)
>
> > Pipistrel (rotating knob(Rotax version), or rotating dial(electro))
>
> > Albastar (large lever on left-side of cockpit)
>
> > TeST (rotating lever on control stick)
>
> > Other(please list)
>
> OTHER: Anares 20E, left hand multifunction single lever operation and
> quite elegant:http://www.lange-aviation.com/htm/english/products/antares_20e/propul...
> -scroll 3/4 down for pics etc. It's got my vote for 'best of' in your
> cockpit lever shootout comparison. *The upcoming Arcus E will prolly
> have same arrangement, *Dave?
>
> -Paul

Yes, Antares has only ONE control for power.
Push the handle forward, and you're under power in 12 seconds.

Arcus E may have already flown, if not it will fly shortly
after Lange factory holidays. Same control, with an option
to have controls and system management display in
both cockpits.

This setup keeps pilot distraction to an absolute minimum,
and allows you to fly almost like a pure glider.

See ya, Dave "YO electric"

[Chris Nicholas[_2_]]

The one-off front electric sustainer for the Lak 17 needs three things
to do, as I understand it, and I believe will be incorporated into the
factory-fit version of when there is an official modification to do
so:

Open fresh air vent, if not already open;

Switch on;

Rotate dial to speed required.

See http://www.front-electric-sustainer.com/

And: http://www.front-electric-sustainer.com/video.php


Chris N

[Dave Nadler]

On Jul 21, 7:24*am, Dave Nadler > wrote:
> On Jul 20, 1:02*pm, cernauta > wrote:
>
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/business/global/20iht-ravyuneec.htm...
>
> The article vaguely states Yuneec has acquired the designs.
> I'm guessing this is a design license, not production ?
> I'll ask them when I see them at Oshkosh next week...
>
> Best Regards, Dave

From Oshkosh: Yuneec has acquired all the IP, tooling, and
some aircraft. Designer Martin is acting as a consultant and
helping them get set up. Viva prototype was exhibited at
Oshkosh with gas motor removed and electric installed but
not yet flyable.

Yuneec didn't do any flying at Oshkosh.
Technical difficulties...

YO electric was the only electric aircraft flying at Oshkosh;
in the airshow Thursday and Saturday.
Hopefully did some good promoting soaring !
Blog write-up to follow...

See ya, Dave "YO electric"