Dumbya speaks wired?

[Tamas Feher]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm

Outgoing president hooked onto radio remote control?

[Tamas Feher]

>Outgoing president hooked onto radio remote control?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/10/bush.rumor.ap/index.html

[Jarg]

"Tamas Feher" > wrote in message
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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm
>
> Outgoing president hooked onto radio remote control?
>
>


Fact: Schizophrenics often have delusions involving hidden connections.

Jarg

[Steve Hix]

> "Tamas Feher" > wrote in message
> ...
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm
> >
> > Outgoing president hooked onto radio remote control?

Wrong on two points, at least.

His security team required him to wear a bullet-resistant vest.

[Tamas Feher]

>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm
>>http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/10/bush.rumor.ap/index.html
>
>His security team required him to wear a bullet-resistant vest.

Of course. The thing is a box between his shoulders on the back, nothing
like a falk jacket. Look at the photos at CNN and BBC. Witnesses saw
there was something in his ear.

[willshak]

Tamas Feher wrote:

>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm
>>>http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/10/bush.rumor.ap/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>His security team required him to wear a bullet-resistant vest.
>>
>>
>
>Of course. The thing is a box between his shoulders on the back, nothing
>like a falk jacket. Look at the photos at CNN and BBC. Witnesses saw
>there was something in his ear.
>
I don't know what Peter Falk had to do with the debate (although I do
know that he wears a pretty ratty jacket in "Columbo"), but since there
were so many rules;
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/21/debate.highlights/ ;
would they not have made sure that Bush, and also Kerry, did not have a
'prop', or 'life line'?

[Leadfoot]

"Tamas Feher" > wrote in message
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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm
>
> Outgoing president hooked onto radio remote control?

Has any one read Heinleins "the Puppet Masters? <insert X-files music here>

That thing "could' be an alien!


>
>
>

[Jim Watt]

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:23:42 +0200, "Tamas Feher"
> wrote:

>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm

>Outgoing president hooked onto radio remote control?

Its a pretty stupid place to put a receiver, and they can
be made so small these days that 'I don't think so'

Unless its an extraterrestial :)
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

[Brian Sharrock]

"Tamas Feher" > wrote in message
...
> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm
> >>http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/10/bush.rumor.ap/index.html
> >
> >His security team required him to wear a bullet-resistant vest.
>
> Of course. The thing is a box between his shoulders on the back, nothing
> like a falk jacket. Look at the photos at CNN and BBC. Witnesses saw
> there was something in his ear.
>
This reminded me ...;
The nuLabor party was notorious for ensuring that
all oldLabour (and nuLabor) personnel remained
strictly 'on message' and insisted that all adherents
carry 'bleepers' * at all times. ...
Seems a group of people were gathered together,
the group included a labour MP .., the other guys
were puzzled when the MP pulled out his vibrating
'bleeper' and stared at the display .. he then went
crimson and expired! His bleeper fell to the floor.
One of the guys enquired; what could the message be
that had such a catastrophic effect? Tentatively the
group looked at the bleeper ... and read;-

BREATHE IN

BREATHE OUT!

*Bleepers are going the way of the Dodo ...

--

Brian

[Pechs1]

Steve-<< His security team required him to wear a bullet-resistant vest.
>><BR><BR>

I'll buy that. On his ranch, when he doesn't have a suit coat on, he doesn't
look like he has love handles, but in a suit coat, he does. I say a
vest...maybe a wire too, but a vest. i'm surprized more leaders don't wear
them...a vest that is.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

[M. J. Powell]

In message >, Pechs1
> writes
>Steve-<< His security team required him to wear a bullet-resistant vest.
>>><BR><BR>
>
>I'll buy that. On his ranch, when he doesn't have a suit coat on, he doesn't
>look like he has love handles, but in a suit coat, he does. I say a
>vest...maybe a wire too, but a vest. i'm surprized more leaders don't wear
>them...a vest that is.

I really can't imagine HM the Q wearing a flak jacket, old chap.

Mike
--
M.J.Powell

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"M. J. Powell" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>I'll buy that. On his ranch, when he doesn't have a suit coat on, he
>>doesn't
>>look like he has love handles, but in a suit coat, he does. I say a
>>vest...maybe a wire too, but a vest. i'm surprized more leaders don't wear
>>them...a vest that is.
>>
>
> I really can't imagine HM the Q wearing a flak jacket, old chap.
>

He said he was surprised more LEADERS don't wear them.

[M. J. Powell]

In message >, Steven
P. McNicoll > writes
>
>"M. J. Powell" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>I'll buy that. On his ranch, when he doesn't have a suit coat on, he
>>>doesn't
>>>look like he has love handles, but in a suit coat, he does. I say a
>>>vest...maybe a wire too, but a vest. i'm surprized more leaders don't wear
>>>them...a vest that is.
>>>
>>
>> I really can't imagine HM the Q wearing a flak jacket, old chap.
>>
>
>He said he was surprised more LEADERS don't wear them.

We all line up behind HM the Q.

Mike
--
M.J.Powell

[John Redman]

Has there ever been a Republican President the left did *not* insist was
"dumb"?

All of whom, oddly enough, were smart enough to defeat the Demorat?

"Tamas Feher" > wrote in message
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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm
>
> Outgoing president hooked onto radio remote control?
>
>
>

[Peter Skelton]

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:45:07 +0100, "John Redman"
m> wrote:

>Has there ever been a Republican President the left did *not* insist was
>"dumb"?
>
Ike was not dumb but I'm too young to remember his press
coverage. I do remember Nixon's, he was accused of a lot of
things but not stupidity.


>All of whom, oddly enough, were smart enough to defeat the Demorat?
>

Intelligence does not correlate well with either correct decision
making or success[1]. Other factors seem at least as important.
Bush the elder was not very bright but made a number of good
calls, some under serious pressure. His son is brighter, but
hasn't done as well.

[1] note that I said "does not correlate well" not "correlates
negatively."

Peter Skelton

[Paul Ely]

"Jarg" > wrote in message
...
> "Tamas Feher" > wrote in message
> ...
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm
> >
> > Outgoing president hooked onto radio remote control?
> >
> >
>
>
> Fact: Schizophrenics often have delusions involving hidden connections.
>
> Jarg
>
Ahah! A scientific explanation for Dick Cheney's Iraq - bin Laden connection
delusion, at last!

[Paul Ely]

"Tamas Feher" > wrote in message
...
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm
>
> Outgoing president hooked onto radio remote control?
>
1. Bush remarks "Don't interrupt me" when he has time on the clock and no
one is talking to him.

go to: rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/project/c04/c04093004_debate1.rm

ffwd to 40 min 30 sec for "don't..."
There is an mp3 with the audio at NYC indymedia

2. Putting a/the earpiece into his ear at a White House press conference.

George Bush doesn't do well with a teleprompter. He supposedly wore one
during the last State of the Union. He wore one when speaking in France last
June. In fact, you can actually see him put the earpiece into his ear and
hear the coaching over the microphone. The video can be found on the White
House web site!!!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/06/20040605-6.html
(Play the one that says VIEW)

[Fred J. McCall]

"Paul Ely" > wrote:

:"Jarg" > wrote in message
m...
:> "Tamas Feher" > wrote in message
:> ...
:> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm
:> >
:> > Outgoing president hooked onto radio remote control?
:>
:> Fact: Schizophrenics often have delusions involving hidden connections.
:
:Ahah! A scientific explanation for Dick Cheney's Iraq - bin Laden connection
:delusion, at last!

Except, unfortunately for you, it isn't a delusion. The connections
are well documented in the report of the 911 Commission, among other
places.

--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates

[Peter Stickney]

In article >,
Peter Skelton > writes:
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:45:07 +0100, "John Redman"
> m> wrote:
>
>>Has there ever been a Republican President the left did *not* insist was
>>"dumb"?
>>
> Ike was not dumb but I'm too young to remember his press
> coverage. I do remember Nixon's, he was accused of a lot of
> things but not stupidity.

Eisenhower was generally presented as an amiable, likelble, old guy,
with no real grasp of teh complications of medern society.
(Especially compared to Adlai Stevenson)
The fact that he was in charge of the military and diplomatic ends of
the largest-ever example oc Coalition Warfare ever seen a mere 6 years
before seems to have escaped attention.
But, then, the "Right<>Left" thing was much less of an issue. In
those days, it was more "Machine Politician" vs. "Free Thinker"

I think the biggest surprise in that era was Harry Truman. Previous
to stepping up to the plate when F.D.R. died, he was the Nobody
Senator who npbpdy really disliked, who was a scion of the second or
third most corrupt Political Machines in the country.
(One of the reasons that FDR chose, or allowed Truman to be chosen,
was because Truman had nothing against him, and there were pretty good
odds that Roosevelt wouldn;t finish his term. By 1944, everybody was
suspicious of Henry Wallace, the sitting Vice President, and with good
reason. He was a rather loopy sort, philosophically, and the
Counter-Intelligence folks had discovered that he had been feeding
information to both the Abwehr (Inadvertantly, he couldn't keep his
mouth shut) and the Soviets (On purpose, for reasons that he never
could explain the same way twice).

Truman weht in as a nobody, the next best thing to a puppet, and when
the time came for him to be President, surprised everybody with his
force of personality, skill, and willingness to be his own man.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

[Jarg]

"Paul Ely" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jarg" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Tamas Feher" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm
>> >
>> > Outgoing president hooked onto radio remote control?
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Fact: Schizophrenics often have delusions involving hidden connections.
>>
>> Jarg
>>
> Ahah! A scientific explanation for Dick Cheney's Iraq - bin Laden
> connection
> delusion, at last!
>

I said hidden connections. Those between Iraq and Al Qaeda are well know.

Jarg

[Jarg]

"Paul Ely" > wrote in message
...
> "Tamas Feher" > wrote in message
> ...
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm
>>
>> Outgoing president hooked onto radio remote control?
>>
> 1. Bush remarks "Don't interrupt me" when he has time on the clock and
> no
> one is talking to him.
>
> go to: rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/project/c04/c04093004_debate1.rm
>
> ffwd to 40 min 30 sec for "don't..."
> There is an mp3 with the audio at NYC indymedia
>
> 2. Putting a/the earpiece into his ear at a White House press conference.
>
> George Bush doesn't do well with a teleprompter. He supposedly wore one
> during the last State of the Union. He wore one when speaking in France
> last
> June. In fact, you can actually see him put the earpiece into his ear and
> hear the coaching over the microphone. The video can be found on the
> White
> House web site!!!
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/06/20040605-6.html
> (Play the one that says VIEW)
>

They give you those pills for a reason. Now take them please.

Jarg

[Mike Dargan]

Paul Ely wrote:
> "Tamas Feher" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm
>>
>>Outgoing president hooked onto radio remote control?
>>
>
> 1. Bush remarks "Don't interrupt me" when he has time on the clock and no
> one is talking to him.
>
> go to: rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/project/c04/c04093004_debate1.rm
>
> ffwd to 40 min 30 sec for "don't..."
> There is an mp3 with the audio at NYC indymedia
>
> 2. Putting a/the earpiece into his ear at a White House press conference.
>
> George Bush doesn't do well with a teleprompter. He supposedly wore one
> during the last State of the Union. He wore one when speaking in France last
> June. In fact, you can actually see him put the earpiece into his ear and
> hear the coaching over the microphone. The video can be found on the White
> House web site!!!
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/06/20040605-6.html
> (Play the one that says VIEW)

Can you imagine the what ifs? Suppose someone who could do a decent
Karl Rove impersonation hijacked the signal and told the shrub to strip
naked and squawk like a chicken? This group would quickly be saturated
with befuddled old airheads chapping their lips on dubya's colacal region.

Cheers

--mike
>
>
>
>
>

[Jim Watt]

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:00:51 -0400, "Paul Ely"
> wrote:

>"Tamas Feher" > wrote in message
...
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm
>>
>> Outgoing president hooked onto radio remote control?
>>
> 1. Bush remarks "Don't interrupt me" when he has time on the clock and no
>one is talking to him.
>
>go to: rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/project/c04/c04093004_debate1.rm
>
>ffwd to 40 min 30 sec for "don't..."
>There is an mp3 with the audio at NYC indymedia
>
>2. Putting a/the earpiece into his ear at a White House press conference.
>
>George Bush doesn't do well with a teleprompter. He supposedly wore one
>during the last State of the Union. He wore one when speaking in France last
>June. In fact, you can actually see him put the earpiece into his ear and
>hear the coaching over the microphone. The video can be found on the White
>House web site!!!
>http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/06/20040605-6.html
>(Play the one that says VIEW)

It feels uncomfortable defending Dubya, but hey if he doesn't
understand French, which is not uncommon or a sign of stupidity
and is listening to a French speech - because unless Chirac has
changed sex that was a woman translator on the video - its quite
reasonable that he might have an earpiece giving him a live
feed of a translation.

Guess there will now be activity intercepting and jamming the
sort of frequencies used for these things when he is speaking.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

[Paul Ely]

"Jim Watt" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:00:51 -0400, "Paul Ely"
> > wrote:
>
> >"Tamas Feher" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm
> >>
> >> Outgoing president hooked onto radio remote control?
> >>
> > 1. Bush remarks "Don't interrupt me" when he has time on the clock and
no
> >one is talking to him.
> >
> >go to: rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/project/c04/c04093004_debate1.rm
> >
> >ffwd to 40 min 30 sec for "don't..."
> >There is an mp3 with the audio at NYC indymedia
> >
> >2. Putting a/the earpiece into his ear at a White House press
conference.
> >
> >George Bush doesn't do well with a teleprompter. He supposedly wore one
> >during the last State of the Union. He wore one when speaking in France
last
> >June. In fact, you can actually see him put the earpiece into his ear
and
> >hear the coaching over the microphone. The video can be found on the
White
> >House web site!!!
> >http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/06/20040605-6.html
> >(Play the one that says VIEW)
>
> It feels uncomfortable defending Dubya, but hey if he doesn't
> understand French, which is not uncommon or a sign of stupidity
> and is listening to a French speech - because unless Chirac has
> changed sex that was a woman translator on the video - its quite
> reasonable that he might have an earpiece giving him a live
> feed of a translation.
>
> Guess there will now be activity intercepting and jamming the
> sort of frequencies used for these things when he is speaking.
> --
> Jim Watt
> http://www.gibnet.com
>
Wearing the communications gear while doing his job isn't being criticized -
it is an example of the equipment's existence. But using the gear during a
televised election debate would be cheating.

[Andy Dingley]

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:07:00 GMT, "Jarg"
> wrote:

>Those between Iraq and Al Qaeda are well know.

Really ? Cheney didn't sound so sure.

There were _NO_ ties between the Ba'athist Iraqi government
and al Qaeda. It is politically expedient to claim there were, and
Bush has lied on that basis for the last three years.

If you want to claim this is true, show some evidence. We're still
waiting.

[Pechs1]

Here we go again....Vote early and vote often....
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

[Jarg]

"Andy Dingley" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:07:00 GMT, "Jarg"
> > wrote:
>
>>Those between Iraq and Al Qaeda are well know.
>
> Really ? Cheney didn't sound so sure.
>
> There were _NO_ ties between the Ba'athist Iraqi government
> and al Qaeda. It is politically expedient to claim there were, and
> Bush has lied on that basis for the last three years.
>
> If you want to claim this is true, show some evidence. We're still
> waiting.
>
>

There is no controversy about the ties among informed people, only about the
extent and significance of such ties. The 9/11 Commission

According to two Justice department reports during the Clinton
administration, such ties existed. One report stated "In addition, al Qaeda
reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not
work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically
including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the
government of Iraq."

CIA director Tenet has testified that "We have solid reporting of senior
level contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda going back a decade. Credible
information indicates that Iraq and al Qaeda have discussed safe haven and
reciprocal nonaggression." and "We have credible reporting that al-Qaeda
leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD
capabilities. The reporting also stated that Iraq has provided training to
al-Qaeda members in the areas of poisons and gases and making conventional
bombs."

Richard Minter has detailed the following connections:

* Abdul Rahman Yasin was the only member of the al Qaeda cell that detonated
the 1993 World Trade Center bomb to remain at large in the Clinton years. He
fled to Iraq. U.S. forces recently discovered a cache of documents in
Tikrit, Saddam's hometown, that show that Iraq gave Mr. Yasin both a house
and monthly salary.

* Bin Laden met at least eight times with officers of Iraq's Special
Security Organization, a secret police agency run by Saddam's son Qusay, and
met with officials from Saddam's mukhabarat, its external intelligence
service, according to intelligence made public by Secretary of State Colin
Powell, who was speaking before the United Nations Security Council on
February 6, 2003.

* Sudanese intelligence officials told me that their agents had observed
meetings between Iraqi intelligence agents and bin Laden starting in 1994,
when bin Laden lived in Khartoum.

* Bin Laden met the director of the Iraqi mukhabarat in 1996 in Khartoum,
according to Mr. Powell.

* An al Qaeda operative now held by the U.S. confessed that in the
mid-1990s, bin Laden had forged an agreement with Saddam's men to cease all
terrorist activities against the Iraqi dictator, Mr. Powell told the United
Nations.

* In 1999 the Guardian, a British newspaper, reported that Farouk Hijazi, a
senior officer in Iraq's mukhabarat, had journeyed deep into the icy
mountains near Kandahar, Afghanistan, in December 1998 to meet with al Qaeda
men. Mr. Hijazi is "thought to have offered bin Laden asylum in Iraq," the
Guardian reported.

* In October 2000, another Iraqi intelligence operative, Salah Suleiman, was
arrested near the Afghan border by Pakistani authorities, according to
Jane's Foreign Report, a respected international newsletter. Jane's reported
that Suleiman was shuttling between Iraqi intelligence and Ayman al
Zawahiri, now al Qaeda's No. 2 man.

There is plenty of information abailable, you just have to be willing to
look.

Jarg

[John Redman]

"Peter Stickney" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Peter Skelton > writes:
>> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:45:07 +0100, "John Redman"
>> m> wrote:
>>
>>>Has there ever been a Republican President the left did *not* insist was
>>>"dumb"?
>>>
>> Ike was not dumb but I'm too young to remember his press
>> coverage. I do remember Nixon's, he was accused of a lot of
>> things but not stupidity.
>
> Eisenhower was generally presented as an amiable, likelble, old guy,
> with no real grasp of teh complications of medern society.

So essentially the same thing, moderated to reflect the risks in slating a
war hero.

So both Bushes, Reagan, Ford, and Ike were all "dumb". So how smart, I
wonder, does the average Dem think Johnson, Carter, and Clinton were?

[Jarg]

"John Redman" m> wrote in
message ...

> So both Bushes, Reagan, Ford, and Ike were all "dumb". So how smart, I
> wonder, does the average Dem think Johnson, Carter, and Clinton were?
>


I'm sure President Johnson's official Democratic Party IQ Rating went down a
few points after he lost the support of the left because of Vietnam, though
of course he would still be miles ahead of any Republican president in their
eyes. Despite his clear ineptness, Carter is still described as smart, and
of course Clinton was a super-genius if you believe his press coverage.

Jarg

[Jim Watt]

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:20:24 -0400, "Paul Ely"
> wrote:

>Wearing the communications gear while doing his job isn't being criticized -
>it is an example of the equipment's existence. But using the gear during a
>televised election debate would be cheating.

We all know equipment for this exists, indeed some of us have it;
however it use in those circumstances would be more distracting
than useful. Next someone will be claiming he had an accomplice
in the audience coughing.

--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

[Fred J. McCall]

Andy Dingley > wrote:

:On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:07:00 GMT, "Jarg"
> wrote:
:
:>Those between Iraq and Al Qaeda are well know.
:
:Really ? Cheney didn't sound so sure.
:
:There were _NO_ ties between the Ba'athist Iraqi government
:and al Qaeda. It is politically expedient to claim there were, and
:Bush has lied on that basis for the last three years.
:
:If you want to claim this is true, show some evidence. We're still
:waiting.

You've read the complete report by the 9/11 Commission, right?

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn