China/US naval air battle

[BOB URZ]

Given the tensions in the pacific rim part of the world, it seems a
possibility of a air exchange between China and a US naval carrier
battle group. My question is what would be the likely outcome of such an
exchange? (non nuclear)

With modern SU27 and SU30 fighters, the Chinese seem far from
defenceless. Maybe even ahead. Would putting the Sukhoi's up against
F18's and F14's be an even or uneven exchange? With the newest Russian
hardware, one might give some advantage to the Chinese.
Yet with no AA refueling and more limited airborne Command and
Control, would that skew the equation back over to the carrier
battle group? And given a hostile incoming Chinese sortie
on the CBG, what would be the likely order of events? Ship born
Sea to Air missiles first? At what range would each side likely use
there Air to Air assets against each other? How good are the EW
suites on the SU's compared to what is deployed with the fleet?

It would be an interesting war game scenario.....

Bob



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[Ragnar]

"BOB URZ" > wrote in message
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>
> With modern SU27 and SU30 fighters, the Chinese seem far from
> defenceless. Maybe even ahead. Would putting the Sukhoi's up against
> F18's and F14's be an even or uneven exchange?

Depends on who is flying the Chinese jets. Will it be guys who trained in
EP-3C intercepts?

[Kevin Brooks]

"BOB URZ" > wrote in message
...
> Given the tensions in the pacific rim part of the world, it seems a
> possibility of a air exchange between China and a US naval carrier
> battle group. My question is what would be the likely outcome of such an
> exchange? (non nuclear)
>
> With modern SU27 and SU30 fighters, the Chinese seem far from
> defenceless. Maybe even ahead.

Please. The platform is only one part of the equation. PLAF/PLAN pilot
training has not reached western standards as yet, nor apparently has their
tactical/doctrinal development. Then there are the complimentary
systems--EW, AWACS, etc. "Maybe even ahead"?! In their rosiest dreams,
perhaps...

Would putting the Sukhoi's up against
> F18's and F14's be an even or uneven exchange? With the newest Russian
> hardware, one might give some advantage to the Chinese.

Only if one took the myopic view that the basic platform was the key to the
equation--which is not the case.

Brooks

> Yet with no AA refueling and more limited airborne Command and
> Control, would that skew the equation back over to the carrier
> battle group? And given a hostile incoming Chinese sortie
> on the CBG, what would be the likely order of events? Ship born
> Sea to Air missiles first? At what range would each side likely use
> there Air to Air assets against each other? How good are the EW
> suites on the SU's compared to what is deployed with the fleet?
>
> It would be an interesting war game scenario.....
>
> Bob
>
>
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[Dave Kearton]

"Ragnar" > wrote in message
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| "BOB URZ" > wrote in message
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| > With modern SU27 and SU30 fighters, the Chinese seem far from
| > defenceless. Maybe even ahead. Would putting the Sukhoi's up against
| > F18's and F14's be an even or uneven exchange?
|
| Depends on who is flying the Chinese jets. Will it be guys who trained in
| EP-3C intercepts?
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|



Why, do you think there's a risk of colliding with the carrier ?




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Dave Kearton

[Pooh Bear]

BOB URZ wrote:

> Given the tensions in the pacific rim part of the world, it seems a
> possibility of a air exchange between China and a US naval carrier
> battle group. My question is what would be the likely outcome of such an
> exchange? (non nuclear)

Have I missed something ?

What tensions would likely precipitate such a scenario ?


Graham

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
BOB URZ > wrote:

> Given the tensions in the pacific rim part of the world, it seems a
> possibility of a air exchange between China and a US naval carrier
> battle group. My question is what would be the likely outcome of such an
> exchange? (non nuclear)
>
> With modern SU27 and SU30 fighters, the Chinese seem far from
> defenceless. Maybe even ahead. Would putting the Sukhoi's up against
> F18's and F14's be an even or uneven exchange? With the newest Russian
> hardware, one might give some advantage to the Chinese.
> Yet with no AA refueling and more limited airborne Command and
> Control, would that skew the equation back over to the carrier
> battle group? And given a hostile incoming Chinese sortie
> on the CBG, what would be the likely order of events? Ship born
> Sea to Air missiles first? At what range would each side likely use
> there Air to Air assets against each other? How good are the EW
> suites on the SU's compared to what is deployed with the fleet?
>
> It would be an interesting war game scenario.....


I seriously doubt that the PLAF would have the advantage of surprise --
what with airborne E-2s, etc. Hostile intent would place the PLAF at a
serious disadvantage, because the USN would be able to fire OTH weapons
and destroy hostile at BVR.

[Yuri Tregubov]

Salvo of Kh-31s will do the job. No any good pilots are
required for this, the control software is smart enough.

http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight/missiles/Kh-31a.jpg

It's better not to try this scenario from both sides ...

Regards,
Yuri

[Pechs1]

BOB writes-"<< world, it seems a
possibility of a air exchange between China and a US naval carrier
battle group. My question is what would be the likely outcome of such an
exchange? (non nuclear)

With modern SU27 and SU30 fighters, the Chinese seem far from
defenceless. Maybe even ahead. Would putting the Sukhoi's up against
F18's and F14's be an even or uneven exchange? With the newest Russian
hardware, one might give some advantage to the Chinese. >><BR><BR>

I answered-" A guy once said, 'a hamburger in another paakeg is till a
hamburger'. The Chinese 'suffer' from the same problems as their former Soviet
counterparts. Strict C/C from a ground based source, little or no thinking for
themselves. Little flying at all and little tactics other than intercepts.
Remember also they will be over the water, not over their beach, where the US
will have all the advantages. An y airborne threat will first be confronted by
small boys surface to air assets, then by the CVBG. The Chinese A/C have no
defense against modern US ship launched missiles.

The biggest threat to the CV is via a small, silent, diesel sub. "
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

[ô§âmà ßíÑ KëñÖßÎ]

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, (Yuri
Tregubov) wrote:

> Salvo of Kh-31s will do the job. No any good pilots are
> required for this, the control software is smart enough.
>
> http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight/missiles/Kh-31a.jpg
>
> It's better not to try this scenario from both sides ...
>
> Regards,
> Yuri
>

Correct, and that's just one of many types of weapons China now has
available. China doesn't plan on fighting a symmetric battle with the US
Navy, it will use the most effective means at its disposal. In this case,
salvos of standoff missiles that will take out any ship that comes within
range. Fleet defenses could intercept maybe 75% of those missiles, but it's
the last 25% that will make all the difference!

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[Mike Kanze]

One factor not mentioned so far - whatever tradeoff the PLAAF currently
makes between warfighting skills and "political reliability."

During more antagonistic times between China and the free world, PLAAF
pilots were posted to front-line billets based at least as much on their
political reliability as any other factor, to minimize the likelihood of a
Yuri Belenko-type defection.

Not sure how prevalent this is today but I know that among humans, old
habits die hard.

--
Mike Kanze

"Somewhere in the heavens there is a great invisible genie who every so
often lets down his pants and ****es all over the pillars of science."

- Ernest K. Gann



"BOB URZ" > wrote in message
...
> Given the tensions in the pacific rim part of the world, it seems a
> possibility of a air exchange between China and a US naval carrier
> battle group. My question is what would be the likely outcome of such an
> exchange? (non nuclear)
>
> With modern SU27 and SU30 fighters, the Chinese seem far from
> defenceless. Maybe even ahead. Would putting the Sukhoi's up against
> F18's and F14's be an even or uneven exchange? With the newest Russian
> hardware, one might give some advantage to the Chinese.
> Yet with no AA refueling and more limited airborne Command and
> Control, would that skew the equation back over to the carrier
> battle group? And given a hostile incoming Chinese sortie
> on the CBG, what would be the likely order of events? Ship born
> Sea to Air missiles first? At what range would each side likely use
> there Air to Air assets against each other? How good are the EW
> suites on the SU's compared to what is deployed with the fleet?
>
> It would be an interesting war game scenario.....
>
> Bob
>
>
>
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[Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, MP]

"Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
...
>
> BOB URZ wrote:
>
>> Given the tensions in the pacific rim part of the world, it seems a
>> possibility of a air exchange between China and a US naval carrier
>> battle group. My question is what would be the likely outcome of such an
>> exchange? (non nuclear)
>
> Have I missed something ?
>
> What tensions would likely precipitate such a scenario ?

Taiwan?