2011 15M Nationals

[Andy[_10_]]

I hear they'll be in Logan, UT. Can anyone confirm the dates?

9B

[Tim Taylor]

On Aug 18, 8:47*am, Andy > wrote:
> I hear they'll be in Logan, UT. Can anyone confirm the dates?
>
> 9B

Logan 15 Meter nationals - July 17th through July 28th, 2011

[mattm[_2_]]

On Aug 18, 10:57*am, Tim Taylor > wrote:
> On Aug 18, 8:47*am, Andy > wrote:
>
> > I hear they'll be in Logan, UT. Can anyone confirm the dates?
>
> > 9B
>
> Logan 15 Meter nationals - July 17th through July 28th, 2011

OK, so now I'm curious. How does the process work to set locations
and dates for contests in general, and National contests in
particular?
I understand that individual contest organizations have to bid to hold
a contest, and that Nationals are supposed to move back and forth
from "east" to "west" (with the central US counting for both), but
what's
the details? Who decides what goes in or out or when?

I'm mostly asking about US contests, but I'm curious how it works
elsewhere, too. For World contests I'm aware of the votes done at
the IGC.

Thanks,
-- Matt

[Tim Taylor]

On Aug 18, 11:53*am, mattm > wrote:
> On Aug 18, 10:57*am, Tim Taylor > wrote:
>
> > On Aug 18, 8:47*am, Andy > wrote:
>
> > > I hear they'll be in Logan, UT. Can anyone confirm the dates?
>
> > > 9B
>
> > Logan 15 Meter nationals - July 17th through July 28th, 2011
>
> OK, so now I'm curious. *How does the process work to set locations
> and dates for contests in general, and National contests in
> particular?
> I understand that individual contest organizations have to bid to hold
> a contest, and that Nationals are supposed to move back and forth
> from "east" to "west" (with the central US counting for both), but
> what's
> the details? *Who decides what goes in or out or when?
>
> I'm mostly asking about US contests, but I'm curious how it works
> elsewhere, too. *For World contests I'm aware of the votes done at
> the IGC.
>
> Thanks,
> -- Matt

Matt,

It depends on many factors:
1. Who is willing to host
2. History of the class; as you said east, west, central, etc.
3. SSA politics

I am still convinced that other than central locations the SSA should
have East and West Nationals. We still have a system that favors
those with large amounts of vacation and willingness to drive many
miles.

Here is the data I put together earlier this year for the last five
years. The average values show where the contests have been mostly
at. Ideal would be near 2.0. Look at the poor Open Class, I would
hate to own an Open Class bird and live in the east.


Location
Standard 15M 18M Open
Site E,C,W* Site E,C,W* Site E,C,W* Site E,C,W*
2005 Waynesville 1 Uvalde 2 Montague 3 Ephrata 3
2006 Uvalde 2 Montague 3 Hobbs 3 Hobbs 3
2007 Hobbs 3 Mifflin 1 Albert Lea 2 Albert Lea 2
2008 Cordele 1 Uvalde 2 Mifflin 1 Uvalde 2
2009 Montague 3 Cordele 1 Ephrata 3 Montague 3
2010 Hobbs 3 Uvalde 2 Waynesville 1 Hobbs 3

2.166666667 1.833333333 2.166666667 2.666666667

*East = 1, Central = 2, West = 3

Standard 15M 18M Open
2011 should be East West West or Central East!

[Tony[_5_]]

On Aug 18, 2:26*pm, Tim Taylor > wrote:
> On Aug 18, 11:53*am, mattm > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 18, 10:57*am, Tim Taylor > wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 18, 8:47*am, Andy > wrote:
>
> > > > I hear they'll be in Logan, UT. Can anyone confirm the dates?
>
> > > > 9B
>
> > > Logan 15 Meter nationals - July 17th through July 28th, 2011
>
> > OK, so now I'm curious. *How does the process work to set locations
> > and dates for contests in general, and National contests in
> > particular?
> > I understand that individual contest organizations have to bid to hold
> > a contest, and that Nationals are supposed to move back and forth
> > from "east" to "west" (with the central US counting for both), but
> > what's
> > the details? *Who decides what goes in or out or when?
>
> > I'm mostly asking about US contests, but I'm curious how it works
> > elsewhere, too. *For World contests I'm aware of the votes done at
> > the IGC.
>
> > Thanks,
> > -- Matt
>
> Matt,
>
> It depends on many factors:
> 1. Who is willing to host
> 2. History of the class; as you said east, west, central, etc.
> 3. SSA politics
>
> I am still convinced that other than central locations the SSA should
> have East and West Nationals. *We still have a system that favors
> those with large amounts of vacation and willingness to drive many
> miles.
>
> Here is the data I put together earlier this year for the last five
> years. The average values show where the contests have been mostly
> at. *Ideal would be near 2.0. *Look at the poor Open Class, I would
> hate to own an Open Class bird and live in the east.
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Location
> * * * * * * * * Standard * * * * * * * *15M * * * * * * 18M * * * * * * Open
> * * * * * * * * Site * * E,C,W* Site * *E,C,W* *Site * * E,C,W* Site * * E,C,W*
> 2005 * * * * * *Waynesville *1 *Uvalde * 2 * * *Montague * *3 * Ephrata * *3
> 2006 * * * * * *Uvalde * * * 2 *Montague 3 * * *Hobbs * * * 3 * Hobbs * * *3
> 2007 * * * * * *Hobbs * * * *3 *Mifflin *1 * * *Albert Lea *2 * Albert Lea 2
> 2008 * * * * * *Cordele * * *1 *Uvalde * 2 * * *Mifflin * * 1 * Uvalde * * 2
> 2009 * * * * * *Montague * * 3 *Cordele *1 * * *Ephrata * * 3 * Montague * 3
> 2010 * * * * * *Hobbs * * * *3 *Uvalde * 2 * * *Waynesville 1 * Hobbs * * *3
>
> * * * * * * * * 2.166666667 * * 1.833333333 * * 2..166666667 * * 2.666666667
>
> *East = 1, Central = 2, West = 3
>
> * * * * * * * Standard * * * * *15M * * * * * * * *18M * * * * * * * * *Open
> 2011 should be *East * * * * * *West * * * * * *West or Central * * * * East!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

i would hope that open class in 2011 would in Uvalde? I know it would
be nice to keep them balanced east and west but there is the Worlds
there in 2012 to consider.

[mattm[_2_]]

On Aug 18, 3:26*pm, Tim Taylor > wrote:
> On Aug 18, 11:53*am, mattm > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 18, 10:57*am, Tim Taylor > wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 18, 8:47*am, Andy > wrote:
>
> > > > I hear they'll be in Logan, UT. Can anyone confirm the dates?
>
> > > > 9B
>
> > > Logan 15 Meter nationals - July 17th through July 28th, 2011
>
> > OK, so now I'm curious. *How does the process work to set locations
> > and dates for contests in general, and National contests in
> > particular?
> > I understand that individual contest organizations have to bid to hold
> > a contest, and that Nationals are supposed to move back and forth
> > from "east" to "west" (with the central US counting for both), but
> > what's
> > the details? *Who decides what goes in or out or when?
>
> > I'm mostly asking about US contests, but I'm curious how it works
> > elsewhere, too. *For World contests I'm aware of the votes done at
> > the IGC.
>
> > Thanks,
> > -- Matt
>
> Matt,
>
> It depends on many factors:
> 1. Who is willing to host
> 2. History of the class; as you said east, west, central, etc.
> 3. SSA politics
>
> I am still convinced that other than central locations the SSA should
> have East and West Nationals. *We still have a system that favors
> those with large amounts of vacation and willingness to drive many
> miles.
>
> Here is the data I put together earlier this year for the last five
> years. The average values show where the contests have been mostly
> at. *Ideal would be near 2.0. *Look at the poor Open Class, I would
> hate to own an Open Class bird and live in the east.
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Location
> * * * * * * * * Standard * * * * * * * *15M * * * * * * 18M * * * * * * Open
> * * * * * * * * Site * * E,C,W* Site * *E,C,W* *Site * * E,C,W* Site * * E,C,W*
> 2005 * * * * * *Waynesville *1 *Uvalde * 2 * * *Montague * *3 * Ephrata * *3
> 2006 * * * * * *Uvalde * * * 2 *Montague 3 * * *Hobbs * * * 3 * Hobbs * * *3
> 2007 * * * * * *Hobbs * * * *3 *Mifflin *1 * * *Albert Lea *2 * Albert Lea 2
> 2008 * * * * * *Cordele * * *1 *Uvalde * 2 * * *Mifflin * * 1 * Uvalde * * 2
> 2009 * * * * * *Montague * * 3 *Cordele *1 * * *Ephrata * * 3 * Montague * 3
> 2010 * * * * * *Hobbs * * * *3 *Uvalde * 2 * * *Waynesville 1 * Hobbs * * *3
>
> * * * * * * * * 2.166666667 * * 1.833333333 * * 2..166666667 * * 2.666666667
>
> *East = 1, Central = 2, West = 3
>
> * * * * * * * Standard * * * * *15M * * * * * * * *18M * * * * * * * * *Open
> 2011 should be *East * * * * * *West * * * * * *West or Central * * * * East!

Oh, ya, I've drawn that chart myself too. Mine was more of a
procedural
question -- is there a contest awarding committee someplace? I guess
to a large extent it's driven by whoever steps forward with proposals,
right?

Thanks,
-- Matt

[ZL]

On 8/18/2010 4:52 PM, mattm wrote:
> On Aug 18, 3:26 pm, Tim > wrote:
>> On Aug 18, 11:53 am, > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 18, 10:57 am, Tim > wrote:
>>
>>>> On Aug 18, 8:47 am, > wrote:
>>
>>>>> I hear they'll be in Logan, UT. Can anyone confirm the dates?
>>
>>>>> 9B
>>
>>>> Logan 15 Meter nationals - July 17th through July 28th, 2011
>>
>>> OK, so now I'm curious. How does the process work to set locations
>>> and dates for contests in general, and National contests in
>>> particular?
>>> I understand that individual contest organizations have to bid to hold
>>> a contest, and that Nationals are supposed to move back and forth
>>> from "east" to "west" (with the central US counting for both), but
>>> what's
>>> the details? Who decides what goes in or out or when?
>>
>>> I'm mostly asking about US contests, but I'm curious how it works
>>> elsewhere, too. For World contests I'm aware of the votes done at
>>> the IGC.
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -- Matt
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> It depends on many factors:
>> 1. Who is willing to host
>> 2. History of the class; as you said east, west, central, etc.
>> 3. SSA politics
>>
>> I am still convinced that other than central locations the SSA should
>> have East and West Nationals. We still have a system that favors
>> those with large amounts of vacation and willingness to drive many
>> miles.
>>
>> Here is the data I put together earlier this year for the last five
>> years. The average values show where the contests have been mostly
>> at. Ideal would be near 2.0. Look at the poor Open Class, I would
>> hate to own an Open Class bird and live in the east.
>>
>> Location
>> Standard 15M 18M Open
>> Site E,C,W* Site E,C,W* Site E,C,W* Site E,C,W*
>> 2005 Waynesville 1 Uvalde 2 Montague 3 Ephrata 3
>> 2006 Uvalde 2 Montague 3 Hobbs 3 Hobbs 3
>> 2007 Hobbs 3 Mifflin 1 Albert Lea 2 Albert Lea 2
>> 2008 Cordele 1 Uvalde 2 Mifflin 1 Uvalde 2
>> 2009 Montague 3 Cordele 1 Ephrata 3 Montague 3
>> 2010 Hobbs 3 Uvalde 2 Waynesville 1 Hobbs 3
>>
>> 2.166666667 1.833333333 2.166666667 2.666666667
>>
>> *East = 1, Central = 2, West = 3
>>
>> Standard 15M 18M Open
>> 2011 should be East West West or Central East!
>
> Oh, ya, I've drawn that chart myself too. Mine was more of a
> procedural
> question -- is there a contest awarding committee someplace? I guess
> to a large extent it's driven by whoever steps forward with proposals,
> right?
>
> Thanks,
> -- Matt
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-Dave

[Andrzej Kobus]

On Aug 18, 10:47*am, Andy > wrote:
> I hear they'll be in Logan, UT. Can anyone confirm the dates?
>
> 9B

As you can see the only sites which held FAI classes contests were:
Waynesville
Uvalde
Hobbs
Cordele
Montague
Mifflin
Albert Lea
Ephrata

We only have 8 sites in this big country holding Nationals in FAI
classes. Let's hope these sites do not stop organizing contests.

[[email protected]]

On Aug 18, 8:59*pm, Andrzej Kobus > wrote:
> On Aug 18, 10:47*am, Andy > wrote:
>
> > I hear they'll be in Logan, UT. Can anyone confirm the dates?
>
> > 9B
>
> As you can see the only sites which held FAI classes contests were:
> Waynesville
> Uvalde
> Hobbs
> Cordele
> Montague
> Mifflin
> Albert Lea
> Ephrata
>
> We only have 8 sites in this big country holding Nationals in FAI
> classes. Let's hope these sites do not stop organizing contests.

Elmira and Ionia also comes to mind. But not recently in FAI.
Tim's analysis misses the Sports Class which also figures in to
participation as well as making use of these same limited resources.
Chilhowie is a new National site next year for Sports. Thanks Sara.
UH

[nimbusgb]

Doesn't make any difference where it is ........ just send the
trophies to the JS1 pilots :)

avaniceday!

On Aug 19, 3:05*am, wrote:
> On Aug 18, 8:59*pm, Andrzej Kobus > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 18, 10:47*am, Andy > wrote:
>
> > > I hear they'll be in Logan, UT. Can anyone confirm the dates?
>
> > > 9B
>
> > As you can see the only sites which held FAI classes contests were:
> > Waynesville
> > Uvalde
> > Hobbs
> > Cordele
> > Montague
> > Mifflin
> > Albert Lea
> > Ephrata
>
> > We only have 8 sites in this big country holding Nationals in FAI
> > classes. Let's hope these sites do not stop organizing contests.
>
> Elmira and Ionia also comes to mind. But not recently in FAI.
> Tim's analysis misses the Sports Class which also figures in to
> participation as well as making use of these same limited resources.
> Chilhowie is a new National site next year for Sports. Thanks Sara.
> UH

[mattm[_2_]]

On Aug 18, 7:59*pm, ZL > wrote:
> On 8/18/2010 4:52 PM, mattm wrote:
>
> > On Aug 18, 3:26 pm, Tim > *wrote:
> >> On Aug 18, 11:53 am, > *wrote:
>
> >>> On Aug 18, 10:57 am, Tim > *wrote:
>
> >>>> On Aug 18, 8:47 am, > *wrote:
>
> >>>>> I hear they'll be in Logan, UT. Can anyone confirm the dates?
>
> >>>>> 9B
>
> >>>> Logan 15 Meter nationals - July 17th through July 28th, 2011
>
> >>> OK, so now I'm curious. *How does the process work to set locations
> >>> and dates for contests in general, and National contests in
> >>> particular?
> >>> I understand that individual contest organizations have to bid to hold
> >>> a contest, and that Nationals are supposed to move back and forth
> >>> from "east" to "west" (with the central US counting for both), but
> >>> what's
> >>> the details? *Who decides what goes in or out or when?
>
> >>> I'm mostly asking about US contests, but I'm curious how it works
> >>> elsewhere, too. *For World contests I'm aware of the votes done at
> >>> the IGC.
>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> -- Matt
>
> >> Matt,
>
> >> It depends on many factors:
> >> 1. Who is willing to host
> >> 2. History of the class; as you said east, west, central, etc.
> >> 3. SSA politics
>
> >> I am still convinced that other than central locations the SSA should
> >> have East and West Nationals. *We still have a system that favors
> >> those with large amounts of vacation and willingness to drive many
> >> miles.
>
> >> Here is the data I put together earlier this year for the last five
> >> years. The average values show where the contests have been mostly
> >> at. *Ideal would be near 2.0. *Look at the poor Open Class, I would
> >> hate to own an Open Class bird and live in the east.
>
> >> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Location
> >> * * * * * * * * *Standard * * * * * * * *15M * * * * * * 18M * * * * * * Open
> >> * * * * * * * * *Site * * E,C,W* Site * *E,C,W* *Site * * E,C,W* Site * * E,C,W*
> >> 2005 * * * * * *Waynesville *1 *Uvalde * 2 * * *Montague * *3 * Ephrata * *3
> >> 2006 * * * * * *Uvalde * * * 2 *Montague 3 * * *Hobbs * * * 3 * Hobbs * * *3
> >> 2007 * * * * * *Hobbs * * * *3 *Mifflin *1 * * *Albert Lea *2 * Albert Lea 2
> >> 2008 * * * * * *Cordele * * *1 *Uvalde * 2 * * *Mifflin * * 1 * Uvalde * * 2
> >> 2009 * * * * * *Montague * * 3 *Cordele *1 * * *Ephrata * * 3 * Montague * 3
> >> 2010 * * * * * *Hobbs * * * *3 *Uvalde * 2 * * *Waynesville 1 * Hobbs * * *3
>
> >> * * * * * * * * *2.166666667 * * 1.833333333 * * 2.166666667 * * 2.666666667
>
> >> *East = 1, Central = 2, West = 3
>
> >> * * * * * * * *Standard * * * * *15M * * * * * * * *18M * * * * * * * * *Open
> >> 2011 should be *East * * * * * *West * * * * * *West or Central * * * * East!
>
> > Oh, ya, I've drawn that chart myself too. *Mine was more of a
> > procedural
> > question -- is there a contest awarding committee someplace? *I guess
> > to a large extent it's driven by whoever steps forward with proposals,
> > right?
>
> > Thanks,
> > -- Matt
>
> On the SSA page under Sailplane Racing | Other Resources | Site Selection
>
> http://www.ssa.org/myhome.asp?mbr=4186670184
>
> Log in and you can see who the committee members are.
>
> -Dave

Thanks, that's the pointer I was looking for.

-- Matt