Martin Mars wreckage found

[John Szalay]

In August, while cataloging the debris field around the wreck of a Japanese
midget submarine, HURL submarine pilot Terry Kerby ran across the inverted
keel of a "flying boat"
A Martin JRM-1 Mars named "Marshall Mars"


In the spring of 1950, during a test flight off of Diamond Head, one of
"Marshall Mars" engines caught fire, and the pilot landed in the open
ocean. Although the crew got out safely and a fireboat was soon on the
scene, the plane burned, exploded and sank. The cause was thought to be a
leaking fuel line, although it could not be confirmed because the wreckage
vanished, swallowed by the ocean.


http://starbulletin.com/2004/12/14/news/story4.html

two of the Mars flying boats are still around.
http://www.martinmars.com/

[Allen Epps]

In article >, John
Szalay > wrote:

> In August, while cataloging the debris field around the wreck of a Japanese
> midget submarine, HURL submarine pilot Terry Kerby ran across the inverted
> keel of a "flying boat"
> A Martin JRM-1 Mars named "Marshall Mars"
>
>
> In the spring of 1950, during a test flight off of Diamond Head, one of
> "Marshall Mars" engines caught fire, and the pilot landed in the open
> ocean. Although the crew got out safely and a fireboat was soon on the
> scene, the plane burned, exploded and sank. The cause was thought to be a
> leaking fuel line, although it could not be confirmed because the wreckage
> vanished, swallowed by the ocean.
>
>
> http://starbulletin.com/2004/12/14/news/story4.html
>
> two of the Mars flying boats are still around.
> http://www.martinmars.com/

Thanks John, interesting.

[[email protected]]

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:56:01 GMT, John Szalay
> wrote:

<a very interesting story snipped for brevity>

With all this deep sea investigation and salvage capability it might
be time revise the old post-accident advice to "pick a simple story
and put the airplane in deep water." ;-)

Bill Kambic

[Yofuri]

John Szalay wrote:
> In August, while cataloging the debris field around the wreck of a Japanese
> midget submarine, HURL submarine pilot Terry Kerby ran across the inverted
> keel of a "flying boat"
> A Martin JRM-1 Mars named "Marshall Mars"
>
>
> In the spring of 1950, during a test flight off of Diamond Head, one of
> "Marshall Mars" engines caught fire, and the pilot landed in the open
> ocean. Although the crew got out safely and a fireboat was soon on the
> scene, the plane burned, exploded and sank. The cause was thought to be a
> leaking fuel line, although it could not be confirmed because the wreckage
> vanished, swallowed by the ocean.
>
>
> http://starbulletin.com/2004/12/14/news/story4.html
>
> two of the Mars flying boats are still around.
> http://www.martinmars.com/

In 1968 a group of us were fishing up in the San Juan Islands with the
trolling motor running, radio playing, poptops pinging and many sea
stories in progress. We didn't hear the Mars come alongside us until he
dropped the scoops and hit the throttle.

Only God and my laundryman will ever know...

Rick

[Mike Kanze]

Thanks much, John.

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"John Szalay" > wrote in message
6.16...
> In August, while cataloging the debris field around the wreck of a
> Japanese
> midget submarine, HURL submarine pilot Terry Kerby ran across the inverted
> keel of a "flying boat"
> A Martin JRM-1 Mars named "Marshall Mars"
>
>
> In the spring of 1950, during a test flight off of Diamond Head, one of
> "Marshall Mars" engines caught fire, and the pilot landed in the open
> ocean. Although the crew got out safely and a fireboat was soon on the
> scene, the plane burned, exploded and sank. The cause was thought to be a
> leaking fuel line, although it could not be confirmed because the wreckage
> vanished, swallowed by the ocean.
>
>
> http://starbulletin.com/2004/12/14/news/story4.html
>
> two of the Mars flying boats are still around.
> http://www.martinmars.com/

[John Szalay]

"Mike Kanze" > wrote in news:6ZidnbuJZZLSCF3cRVn-
:

> Thanks much, John.
>
> Stuff like this keeps me coming back to r.a.m.n.


my pleasure,
I grew up living on the beach at Waikiki, REALLY. our
house were less than 500ft from the water.
There is a high rise hotel on that spot right now.
and I remember seeing those seaplanes when they took off
from the seaplane runways next to Honolulu airport.
Keahi lagoon....

[John Szalay]

Allen Epps > wrote in
et:

> In article >, John
> Szalay > wrote:
>
>> http://starbulletin.com/2004/12/14/news/story4.html
>>
>> two of the Mars flying boats are still around.
>> http://www.martinmars.com/
>
> Thanks John, interesting.



Been following the dives, they have also found several
other planes some dumpped over the years, a coast guard
plane and several Navy planes from all the way back to the
late 30's.
One interest of mine, my Dad helped dump some of the stuff
after WWII,,

[Ogden Johnson III]

John Szalay > wrote:

>"Mike Kanze" > wrote

>> Thanks much, John.
>>
>> Stuff like this keeps me coming back to r.a.m.n.

> my pleasure,
>I grew up living on the beach at Waikiki, REALLY. our
>house were less than 500ft from the water.
>There is a high rise hotel on that spot right now.
>and I remember seeing those seaplanes when they took off
>from the seaplane runways next to Honolulu airport.
>Keahi lagoon....

While I didn't live on Waikiki, I did live in NHA 1 outside the
Nimitz Highway gate of Pearl Harbor in 55-56. As with you, we
went down every chance we had to watch the [weekly?, twice
weekly?; sigh, however many there were a week] MARS takeoffs.
Impressive as hell when you're a 12-y.o. Damned sure they'd be
just as impressive for a sixty-mumble year-old now. ;->

[The MARS was intentional. At that tender age, and as a former
Army Brat now a Marine Brat whose Marine lawyer step-father was
not a font of information on things naval aviational, I thought
the MARS was for Military Aviation Something Something, unaware
that Mars was the *name* of the aircraft. Sigh. That deficiency
was rectified some seven years later at AirFam-P school, NATTC,
NAS Memphis.]
--
OJ III
[Email to Yahoo address may be burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]

[Bob Moore]

Ogden Johnson III > wrote

> I thought the MARS was for Military Aviation Something Something,
> unaware that Mars was the *name* of the aircraft.

MARS...Military Affiliate Radio System. Formerly Military Amateur
Radio System.

Bob Moore
N4WZP

[Ogden Johnson III]

Bob Moore > wrote:

>Ogden Johnson III > wrote

>> I thought the MARS was for Military Aviation Something Something,
>> unaware that Mars was the *name* of the aircraft.

>MARS...Military Affiliate Radio System. Formerly Military Amateur
>Radio System.
>
>Bob Moore
>N4WZP

Sorry, Bob, but I know what *I* was thinking at the time. Even
earlier I had known about MARS, the HAM world's voluntary
military side. I certainly wasn't confusing it with the MARS
seaplanes I was looking at. What I damned well knew, was that
the then-name for the Air Farce's airlift service was MATS,
Military Air Transportation Service [which I'd been exposed to as
an Army Brat], corresponding to the Navy's MSTS, Military Sea
Transportation Service [which I'd also been exposed to as an Army
Brat, and just months before as a Marine Brat to get to Hawaii in
the first place], and I was trying to fit MARS into that naming
[at 12 y.o., I didn't know "nomenclature"] system.

[At the time, I didn't know that in Navy aviation nomenclature, R
was used for transport. Glad I didn't know. That would have set
me wondering why MARS instead of NARS, for Navy Air
Transportation Service. Damn I wish I had known that Ted had
been a Corporal in WWII then trained and commissioned as an AO.
{He went to law school between WWII/Korea, and was recalled as a
lawyer.} I would have known to ask him WTFO. But he'd just
married my mother before we went to HI, so I was still learning
about him.]
--
OJ III
[Email to Yahoo address may be burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]

[Gord Beaman]

Bob Moore > wrote:

>Ogden Johnson III > wrote
>
>> I thought the MARS was for Military Aviation Something Something,
>> unaware that Mars was the *name* of the aircraft.
>
>MARS...Military Affiliate Radio System. Formerly Military Amateur
>Radio System.
>
>Bob Moore
>N4WZP

Quite correct Bob...the Canadian Armed Forces has about the same
deal. It's called CFARS, 'Canadian Forces Affiliated Radio
System'...and works the same way, on a few dozen commercial HF
frequencies near the Amateur Radio bands.

A very good info site on CFARS is:

http://www3.sympatico.ca/gunslinger/about.htm

-Gord Beaman - VE1EO - CIW818


--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

[Ogden Johnson III]

Gord Beaman > wrote:

>Bob Moore > wrote:

>>Ogden Johnson III > wrote

>>> I thought the MARS was for Military Aviation Something Something,
>>> unaware that Mars was the *name* of the aircraft.

>>MARS...Military Affiliate Radio System. Formerly Military Amateur
>>Radio System.

>Quite correct Bob...the Canadian Armed Forces has about the same
>deal. It's called CFARS, 'Canadian Forces Affiliated Radio
>System'...and works the same way, on a few dozen commercial HF
>frequencies near the Amateur Radio bands.

And did Martin make a flying boat called the CFARS for the
Canajun Navy like they made the Martin Mars for the US Navy?

See my response to Bob, chiding him for telling me what I was
thinking in 1955 and 56 at the tender ages of 11 and 12 going on
12 and 13.

You two are the only ones who have rung this ham radio stuff into
a thread that heretofore, even with digressions, had been totally
devoted to the Martin Mars flying boat.

[Although, perhaps it was too much to hope that thread drift
wouldn't happen to this one. It happens to most every other
thread in r.a.m.n. Sigh.]
--
OJ III
[Email to Yahoo address may be burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]

[Bob Moore]

Ogden Johnson III > wrote

> See my response to Bob, chiding him for telling me what I was
> thinking in 1955 and 56 at the tender ages of 11 and 12 going on
> 12 and 13.

I made no attempt to tell you what you were thinking Ogden, I
simply made a statement as to what the acronym "MARS" (you did
provide the caps) meant to many of we sailors.

Bob Moore