302 audio

[Mark]

Curious if the fine folks at Cambridge have ever thought about what it
would take software wise to give the user the option to select from a
variety of vario climb/sink/cruise tones. I'm not suggesting a
radical departure in the indication of the tone (increasing beeping
for climb), but the background tone that is used. I like my 302, but
I'd sure like the option for a tone that wasn't quite so harsh
Obviously the ultimate would be the ability of the owner to download
the equivalent of a ringtone for the various sounds....

Just a thought...

[Darryl Ramm]

On Aug 25, 6:55*pm, Mark > wrote:
> Curious if the fine folks at Cambridge have ever thought about what it
> would take software wise to give the user the option to select from a
> variety of vario climb/sink/cruise tones. *I'm not suggesting a
> radical departure in the indication of the tone (increasing beeping
> for climb), but the background tone that is used. *I like my 302, but
> I'd sure like the option for a tone that wasn't quite so harsh
> Obviously the ultimate would be the ability of the owner to download
> the equivalent of a ringtone for the various sounds....
>
> Just a thought...

The fine folks at Cambridge who could have done this are now at NK.

Lets see what features the new NK Vario will have.

They really ought to be releasing specs. Won't damage their current
vario sales (NK have none) so unclear what not releasing at least
basic details gives. But not doing so certainly avoids having to deal
with annoying potential customer feedback.

Darryl

[Sven[_2_]]

On Aug 26, 7:16*am, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
> On Aug 25, 6:55*pm, Mark > wrote:
>
> > Curious if the fine folks at Cambridge have ever thought about what it
> > would take software wise to give the user the option to select from a
> > variety of vario climb/sink/cruise tones. *I'm not suggesting a
> > radical departure in the indication of the tone (increasing beeping
> > for climb), but the background tone that is used. *I like my 302, but
> > I'd sure like the option for a tone that wasn't quite so harsh
> > Obviously the ultimate would be the ability of the owner to download
> > the equivalent of a ringtone for the various sounds....
>
> > Just a thought...
>
> The fine folks at Cambridge who could have done this are now at NK.
>
> Lets see what features the new NK Vario will have.
>
> They really ought to be releasing specs. Won't damage their current
> vario sales (NK have none) so unclear what not releasing at least
> basic details gives. But not doing so certainly avoids having to deal
> with annoying potential customer feedback.
>
> Darryl

I really enjoy my 302, but it would be great if one could have a
choice of 'ring'tones

[Mark]

>
> The fine folks at Cambridge who could have done this are now at NK.
>

> Darryl

If you are suggesting that there is no one doing software development
on the 302 at Cambridge, then perhaps they should/could consider an
open source concept...

[Alex Potter]

On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:15:23 -0700, Darryl Ramm wrote:

> Tim may have other concerns, but one problem is that secure flight
> recorders use a private/public key signing mechanism (e.g. DSA). An open
> source development project could not expose the private key. However I
> don't see why this automatically makes this impossible in principle,
> there could be schemes where a private key is held in escrow and not
> disclosed even to the developers. The developers and hardware
> manufactuer would also have to organize to have software releases IGC
> approved.
>

Do you mean secure in the sense of not being able to tamper with a
signed, downloaded trace without it being easily detectable?

--
Alex

[Darryl Ramm]

On Aug 26, 8:11*am, Alex Potter > wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:15:23 -0700, Darryl Ramm wrote:
> > Tim may have other concerns, but one problem is that secure flight
> > recorders use a private/public key signing mechanism (e.g. DSA). An open
> > source development project could not expose the private key. However I
> > don't see why this automatically makes this impossible in principle,
> > there could be schemes where a private key is held in escrow and not
> > disclosed even to the developers. The developers and hardware
> > manufactuer would also have to organize to have software releases IGC
> > approved.
>
> Do you mean secure in the sense of not being able to tamper with a
> signed, downloaded trace without it being easily detectable?
>
> --
> Alex

Yes. Anybody with the private key can sit at their computer make up an
entirely fake flight or edit an existing flight (e.g. take out a
restricted airspace incursion) and resign the IGC file and nobody
would be able to tell.

Darryl

Darryl

[Andy[_1_]]

On Aug 26, 7:15*am, Darryl Ramm > wrote:

> The C302 has several features (e.g. use of accelerometer hardware)
> that were kicked around but never shipped


I thinks it's true to say that the accelerometers were never included
in the vario function. However I'm quite sure that nomal accel is
used for the slow speed warning.


Andy (GY)

[Alex Potter]

On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:25:25 -0700, Darryl Ramm wrote:

> Yes. Anybody with the private key can sit at their computer make up an
> entirely fake flight or edit an existing flight (e.g. take out a
> restricted airspace incursion) and resign the IGC file and nobody would
> be able to tell.
>

I don't think this runs as an argument. The downloaded file is, as far as
I understand it, signed by the "logger", rather than by the downloader's
computer, which makes checking for "fiddling" quite easy.

The developers can invent any key-pair they choose. The keys used in the
instrument will have been be hard-coded, therefore the private key is
already in the user's possession, even though hard, if not impossible(!?)
to read...

Potential cheats would need some considerable technical skill as well as
criminal(?) intent. Do such people fly gliders?

--
Alex

[Alex Potter]

On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:36:11 +0100, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:

> Not exactly. the Private key is held in the 302 in volatile memory that
> is corrupted when the box is opened, and can only be loaded into the 302
> using software only held by Cambridge. More I will not say.

Thanks for the clarification. I can understand your wish to say no more
on that subject.

Would you care to share your reasons for not opening the source code for
the logger itself? No reason nor necessity to share the key-store
mechanism, I'd have thought?

>
>>Potential cheats would need some considerable technical skill as well as
>>criminal(?) intent. Do such people fly gliders?
>>
> Well, yes. There well known examples of cheating attempts both in Record
> Claims and World Championships.

A pity. Always one or two, I suppose.

--
Alex

[bumper[_3_]]

On Aug 26, 1:45*am, Sven > wrote:

> I really enjoy my 302, but it would be great if one could have a
> choice of 'ring'tones- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hmmmm . . . perhaps some of that Meg Ryan sound track for lift?? :c)

for those who don't remember, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nNhOH4Y0bI

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