iPhone Logger?

[vontresc]

From time to time I check the iPhone app store for soaring apps. I
just came across GlidePath. The developer claims it's OLC compliant. I
havent purchased it yet, but it looks like a good backup for OLC
flying.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/glidepath/id383714417?mt=8#

Pete

[Mike the Strike]

On Sep 1, 6:59*am, vontresc > wrote:
> From time to time I check the iPhone app store for soaring apps. I
> just came across GlidePath. The developer claims it's OLC compliant. I
> havent purchased it yet, but it looks like a good backup for OLC
> flying.
>
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/glidepath/id383714417?mt=8#
>
> Pete

Interesting App. My concern would be battery life without external
power. I've used a few tracking and logging apps on my iPhone and
find I am limited to a couple of hours before needing a recharge.
Presumably it also won't plot a map without Internet access. Assuming
this is available via 3G, this is currently likely a violation of
contest rules.

Mike

[Darryl Ramm]

On Sep 1, 9:17*am, Mike the Strike > wrote:
> On Sep 1, 6:59*am, vontresc > wrote:
>
> > From time to time I check the iPhone app store for soaring apps. I
> > just came across GlidePath. The developer claims it's OLC compliant. I
> > havent purchased it yet, but it looks like a good backup for OLC
> > flying.
>
> >http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/glidepath/id383714417?mt=8#
>
> > Pete
>
> Interesting App. *My concern would be battery life without external
> power. *I've used a few tracking and logging apps on my iPhone and
> find I am limited to a couple of hours before needing a recharge.
> Presumably it also won't plot a map without Internet access. *Assuming
> this is available via 3G, this is currently likely a violation of
> contest rules.
>
> Mike

OLC Contest Rules? They don't seem to care about communication
devices.
I suspect it is not aimed at sanctioned contests and would not try to
be an IGC position recorder.

The power consumption is likely to be high. I don't believe it can
rely on the background low-power tracking mode in iOS 4 as that relies
on cell tower switching tricks.

Anybody tried it?

Darryl

[kammeyer]

Hi All,

I'm the author of GlidePath. Just to clarify a few things -- we are
OLC approved, although I have gotten a couple of comments about
validation problems, and we'll be releasing a new version shortly that
resolves these issues. I'm hoping to get it approved as an IGC
Position Recorder, which is a new class of loggers that can only be
used for Silver and Gold badges. There are some obstacles for using
this in contests due to the phone's abilities, but I believe that a
technical solution can be found that will be satisfying to the contest
officials for use as a backup logger.

The really nice features of GlidePath are:

1. Super easy OLC submission: You just log your flight, and tap a
couple of times, and your flight is on OLC. No hassles with SD cards
and making sure you get everything transferred before the OLC weekly
deadline.
2. Super easy transfer of flights to your computer: Just push a
button and the flight is emailed to yourself or anyone else.
3. Very low cost to start logging your flights, which is especially
useful to newcomers to the sport who may be flying club gliders. They
can start analyzing their flights quickly and easily, and start
participating on OLC even before they start doing real x/c.

Some tips:

1. Turn off Wi-Fi and Cellular Data for the best GPS reception
2. Make sure the phone has a clear view of the sky. It's easy to
accomplish this by either using a cheap suction cup mount or a running
type armband.
3. For long flights, battery life may be a concern. Turning off Wi-Fi
and Cellular Data help a lot, but you may want to consider one of the
available external batteries or plugging into ships power with one of
the car adapters available for the phone. Battery life is also an
area I will be addressing in the next couple of versions.


On Sep 1, 11:30*am, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
> On Sep 1, 9:17*am, Mike the Strike > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 1, 6:59*am, vontresc > wrote:
>
> > > From time to time I check the iPhone app store for soaring apps. I
> > > just came across GlidePath. The developer claims it's OLC compliant. I
> > > havent purchased it yet, but it looks like a good backup for OLC
> > > flying.
>
> > >http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/glidepath/id383714417?mt=8#
>
> > > Pete
>
> > Interesting App. *My concern would be battery life without external
> > power. *I've used a few tracking and logging apps on my iPhone and
> > find I am limited to a couple of hours before needing a recharge.
> > Presumably it also won't plot a map without Internet access. *Assuming
> > this is available via 3G, this is currently likely a violation of
> > contest rules.
>
> > Mike
>
> OLC Contest Rules? They don't seem to care about communication
> devices.
> I suspect it is not aimed at sanctioned contests and would not try to
> be an IGC position recorder.
>
> The power consumption is likely to be high. I don't believe it can
> rely on the background low-power tracking mode in iOS 4 as that relies
> on cell tower switching tricks.
>
> Anybody tried it?
>
> Darryl

[Mike the Strike]

On Sep 1, 7:58*pm, kammeyer > wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm the author of GlidePath. *Just to clarify a few things -- we are
> OLC approved, although I have gotten a couple of comments about
> validation problems, and we'll be releasing a new version shortly that
> resolves these issues. *I'm hoping to get it approved as an IGC
> Position Recorder, which is a new class of loggers that can only be
> used for Silver and Gold badges. *There are some obstacles for using
> this in contests due to the phone's abilities, but I believe that a
> technical solution can be found that will be satisfying to the contest
> officials for use as a backup logger.
>
> The really nice features of GlidePath are:
>
> 1. Super easy OLC submission: *You just log your flight, and tap a
> couple of times, and your flight is on OLC. *No hassles with SD cards
> and making sure you get everything transferred before the OLC weekly
> deadline.
> 2. Super easy transfer of flights to your computer: *Just push a
> button and the flight is emailed to yourself or anyone else.
> 3. Very low cost to start logging your flights, which is especially
> useful to newcomers to the sport who may be flying club gliders. *They
> can start analyzing their flights quickly and easily, and start
> participating on OLC even before they start doing real x/c.
>
> Some tips:
>
> 1. Turn off Wi-Fi and Cellular Data for the best GPS reception
> 2. Make sure the phone has a clear view of the sky. *It's easy to
> accomplish this by either using a cheap suction cup mount or a running
> type armband.
> 3. For long flights, battery life may be a concern. *Turning off Wi-Fi
> and Cellular Data help a lot, but you may want to consider one of the
> available external batteries or plugging into ships power with one of
> the car adapters available for the phone. *Battery life is also an
> area I will be addressing in the next couple of versions.
>
> On Sep 1, 11:30*am, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
>
> > On Sep 1, 9:17*am, Mike the Strike > wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 1, 6:59*am, vontresc > wrote:
>
> > > > From time to time I check the iPhone app store for soaring apps. I
> > > > just came across GlidePath. The developer claims it's OLC compliant.. I
> > > > havent purchased it yet, but it looks like a good backup for OLC
> > > > flying.
>
> > > >http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/glidepath/id383714417?mt=8#
>
> > > > Pete
>
> > > Interesting App. *My concern would be battery life without external
> > > power. *I've used a few tracking and logging apps on my iPhone and
> > > find I am limited to a couple of hours before needing a recharge.
> > > Presumably it also won't plot a map without Internet access. *Assuming
> > > this is available via 3G, this is currently likely a violation of
> > > contest rules.
>
> > > Mike
>
> > OLC Contest Rules? They don't seem to care about communication
> > devices.
> > I suspect it is not aimed at sanctioned contests and would not try to
> > be an IGC position recorder.
>
> > The power consumption is likely to be high. I don't believe it can
> > rely on the background low-power tracking mode in iOS 4 as that relies
> > on cell tower switching tricks.
>
> > Anybody tried it?
>
> > Darryl

Thanks for the info - probably the cheapest way of getting an OLC
certified logger.

Am I correct in my assumption that the mapping feature will work only
with wifi or cellphone access, or does the app have the capability of
storing maps to memory?

Also, I assume it will work on an iPad, which has much better battery
life.

Mike

[kammeyer]

On Sep 1, 11:59*pm, Mike the Strike > wrote:
> On Sep 1, 7:58*pm, kammeyer > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi All,
>
> > I'm the author of GlidePath. *Just to clarify a few things -- we are
> > OLC approved, although I have gotten a couple of comments about
> > validation problems, and we'll be releasing a new version shortly that
> > resolves these issues. *I'm hoping to get it approved as an IGC
> > Position Recorder, which is a new class of loggers that can only be
> > used for Silver and Gold badges. *There are some obstacles for using
> > this in contests due to the phone's abilities, but I believe that a
> > technical solution can be found that will be satisfying to the contest
> > officials for use as a backup logger.
>
> > The really nice features of GlidePath are:
>
> > 1. Super easy OLC submission: *You just log your flight, and tap a
> > couple of times, and your flight is on OLC. *No hassles with SD cards
> > and making sure you get everything transferred before the OLC weekly
> > deadline.
> > 2. Super easy transfer of flights to your computer: *Just push a
> > button and the flight is emailed to yourself or anyone else.
> > 3. Very low cost to start logging your flights, which is especially
> > useful to newcomers to the sport who may be flying club gliders. *They
> > can start analyzing their flights quickly and easily, and start
> > participating on OLC even before they start doing real x/c.
>
> > Some tips:
>
> > 1. Turn off Wi-Fi and Cellular Data for the best GPS reception
> > 2. Make sure the phone has a clear view of the sky. *It's easy to
> > accomplish this by either using a cheap suction cup mount or a running
> > type armband.
> > 3. For long flights, battery life may be a concern. *Turning off Wi-Fi
> > and Cellular Data help a lot, but you may want to consider one of the
> > available external batteries or plugging into ships power with one of
> > the car adapters available for the phone. *Battery life is also an
> > area I will be addressing in the next couple of versions.
>
> > On Sep 1, 11:30*am, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 1, 9:17*am, Mike the Strike > wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 1, 6:59*am, vontresc > wrote:
>
> > > > > From time to time I check the iPhone app store for soaring apps. I
> > > > > just came across GlidePath. The developer claims it's OLC compliant. I
> > > > > havent purchased it yet, but it looks like a good backup for OLC
> > > > > flying.
>
> > > > >http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/glidepath/id383714417?mt=8#
>
> > > > > Pete
>
> > > > Interesting App. *My concern would be battery life without external
> > > > power. *I've used a few tracking and logging apps on my iPhone and
> > > > find I am limited to a couple of hours before needing a recharge.
> > > > Presumably it also won't plot a map without Internet access. *Assuming
> > > > this is available via 3G, this is currently likely a violation of
> > > > contest rules.
>
> > > > Mike
>
> > > OLC Contest Rules? They don't seem to care about communication
> > > devices.
> > > I suspect it is not aimed at sanctioned contests and would not try to
> > > be an IGC position recorder.
>
> > > The power consumption is likely to be high. I don't believe it can
> > > rely on the background low-power tracking mode in iOS 4 as that relies
> > > on cell tower switching tricks.
>
> > > Anybody tried it?
>
> > > Darryl
>
> Thanks for the info - probably the cheapest way of getting an OLC
> certified logger.
>
> Am I correct in my assumption that *the mapping feature will work only
> with wifi or cellphone access, or does the app have the capability of
> storing maps to memory?
>
> Also, I assume it will work on an iPad, which has much better battery
> life.
>
> Mike

Hi Mike,

The mapping feature currently uses the iPhone's Google Maps
capability, which downloads the map tiles over the wireless
connection. Therefore, unless you have previously pulled up the Maps
app and viewed the area you will be flying in, you probably (depending
on cell reception) won't be able to view a map in flight. Certainly,
this is an area that I'm looking at for future versions. Currently,
the app is essentially a logger, a log viewer, and an easy way to
email logs, and submit them to OLC. Additionally, it provides a
simple display such as speed, ground track, and distance/bearing to
the takeoff point. It's not yet a replacement for a flight computer
or moving-map GPS. I haven't tested GlidePath on the iPad, but it
should work fine assuming you have the 3G iPad -- the Wi-Fi version
doesn't have a GPS. Also, I love feature requests. Email me if
there's something you'd like to see in an iPhone soaring app!

-Dave

[Tony[_5_]]

> Thanks for the info - probably the cheapest way of getting an OLC
> certified logger.

depends on how you figure the cost. the app is 10 bucks but the phone
is what? a couple or three hundred? won't pretty much any old garmin
handheld make a file that can be converted to igc format? i just
picked up a flywithCE logger that was $120 and ready for the OLC.

[mattm[_2_]]

On Sep 2, 8:24*am, Tony > wrote:
> > Thanks for the info - probably the cheapest way of getting an OLC
> > certified logger.
>
> depends on how you figure the cost. *the app is 10 bucks but the phone
> is what? *a couple or three hundred? *won't pretty much any old garmin
> handheld make a file that can be converted to igc format? *i just
> picked up a flywithCE logger that was $120 and ready for the OLC.

Also another option for the iPhone is to run StyleTap and SoarPilot.
This is more expensive than this app -- I think StyleTap is about $50
--
but it gives you full flight computer abilities. SoarPilot is still a
going
concern these days, even though the Palm units are getting
pretty old.

Meanwhile, good work!

-- Matt

[Blake Miller]

On Sep 2, 8:45*am, mattm > wrote:
> On Sep 2, 8:24*am, Tony > wrote:
>
> > > Thanks for the info - probably the cheapest way of getting an OLC
> > > certified logger.
>
> > depends on how you figure the cost. *the app is 10 bucks but the phone
> > is what? *a couple or three hundred? *won't pretty much any old garmin
> > handheld make a file that can be converted to igc format? *i just
> > picked up a flywithCE logger that was $120 and ready for the OLC.
>
> Also another option for the iPhone is to run StyleTap and SoarPilot.
> This is more expensive than this app -- I think StyleTap is about $50
> --
> but it gives you full flight computer abilities. *SoarPilot is still a
> going
> concern these days, even though the Palm units are getting
> pretty old.
>
> Meanwhile, good work!
>
> -- Matt

Don't know if this has been mentioned yet but there is a Droid phone
app called "Gaggle" that is very similarly featured. Its user
developed and is free. I haven't used it soaring but have played with
the app and it really cool. It currently not approved by the .IGC. I
don't know about using it for OLC flights though. There are lots of
Droid phone users out there so it may get popular. When I finish my
Duster I am thinking of purchasing the biggest screen droid phones you
can get and will use this product...at least try it.

Blake

[Blake Miller]

On Sep 2, 9:34*am, Blake Miller > wrote:
> On Sep 2, 8:45*am, mattm > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 2, 8:24*am, Tony > wrote:
>
> > > > Thanks for the info - probably the cheapest way of getting an OLC
> > > > certified logger.
>
> > > depends on how you figure the cost. *the app is 10 bucks but the phone
> > > is what? *a couple or three hundred? *won't pretty much any old garmin
> > > handheld make a file that can be converted to igc format? *i just
> > > picked up a flywithCE logger that was $120 and ready for the OLC.
>
> > Also another option for the iPhone is to run StyleTap and SoarPilot.
> > This is more expensive than this app -- I think StyleTap is about $50
> > --
> > but it gives you full flight computer abilities. *SoarPilot is still a
> > going
> > concern these days, even though the Palm units are getting
> > pretty old.
>
> > Meanwhile, good work!
>
> > -- Matt
>
> Don't know if this has been mentioned yet but there is a Droid phone
> app called "Gaggle" that is very similarly featured. Its user
> developed and is free. I haven't used it soaring but have played with
> the app and it really cool. It currently not approved by the .IGC. I
> don't know about using it for OLC flights though. There are lots of
> Droid phone users out there so it may get popular. When I finish my
> Duster I am thinking of purchasing the biggest screen droid phones you
> can get and will use this product...at least try it.
>
> Blake

Here is the user group link.

http://groups.google.com/group/gaggle-users/

[[email protected]]

Give the guy a break.

Of course it is not the cheapest logger if you don't have an iphone.

But if you do, what a great idea.

Gary Kent "TMA"

[Tony[_5_]]

On Sep 2, 10:43*am, " > wrote:
> Give the guy a break.
>
> Of course it is not the cheapest logger if you don't have an iphone.
>
> But if you do, what a great idea.
>
> Gary Kent *"TMA"

i agree. and it would be even cooler if it can get approved as a
position recorder.

[Mike[_8_]]

On Sep 2, 8:34*am, Blake Miller > wrote:
> On Sep 2, 8:45*am, mattm > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 2, 8:24*am, Tony > wrote:
>
> > > > Thanks for the info - probably the cheapest way of getting an OLC
> > > > certified logger.
>
> > > depends on how you figure the cost. *the app is 10 bucks but the phone
> > > is what? *a couple or three hundred? *won't pretty much any old garmin
> > > handheld make a file that can be converted to igc format? *i just
> > > picked up a flywithCE logger that was $120 and ready for the OLC.
>
> > Also another option for the iPhone is to run StyleTap and SoarPilot.
> > This is more expensive than this app -- I think StyleTap is about $50
> > --
> > but it gives you full flight computer abilities. *SoarPilot is still a
> > going
> > concern these days, even though the Palm units are getting
> > pretty old.
>
> > Meanwhile, good work!
>
> > -- Matt
>
> Don't know if this has been mentioned yet but there is a Droid phone
> app called "Gaggle" that is very similarly featured. Its user
> developed and is free. I haven't used it soaring but have played with
> the app and it really cool. It currently not approved by the .IGC. I
> don't know about using it for OLC flights though. There are lots of
> Droid phone users out there so it may get popular. When I finish my
> Duster I am thinking of purchasing the biggest screen droid phones you
> can get and will use this product...at least try it.
>
> Blake- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It may be difficult to get approval even for OLC, and I doubt Droid
will spend the effort for IGC approval for less than 1% of users.

When XCSoar was trying to get OLC approval, it was at first denied,
the reason being that they were not giving any more software
approvals. After sometime though, and a petition from XCSoar users,
the approval was given. I would not expect additonal software
approvals.

Mike "0"

[Bruce Hoult]

On Sep 3, 12:24*am, Tony > wrote:
> > Thanks for the info - probably the cheapest way of getting an OLC
> > certified logger.
>
> depends on how you figure the cost. *the app is 10 bucks but the phone
> is what? *a couple or three hundred? *won't pretty much any old garmin
> handheld make a file that can be converted to igc format? *i just
> picked up a flywithCE logger that was $120 and ready for the OLC.

There are very few uses for which it is worth buying an iPhone
specially.

But if you have one anyway, for some high value use (such as maybe
making phone calls) then it turns out there are a heck of a lot of
other things you can also use it for either built-in or with a free or
inexpensive add-on program.

As a trivial example, I use a 99c program any time I put fuel in one
of my vehicles. I *could* keep a $2 notebook in each vehicle (and a
pen!), but the phone is always in my pocket. And the program
calculates statistics and draws pretty graphs too.

[Mike Schumann]

On 9/2/2010 1:03 AM, kammeyer wrote:
> On Sep 1, 11:59 pm, Mike the > wrote:
>> On Sep 1, 7:58 pm, > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>
>>> I'm the author of GlidePath. Just to clarify a few things -- we are
>>> OLC approved, although I have gotten a couple of comments about
>>> validation problems, and we'll be releasing a new version shortly that
>>> resolves these issues. I'm hoping to get it approved as an IGC
>>> Position Recorder, which is a new class of loggers that can only be
>>> used for Silver and Gold badges. There are some obstacles for using
>>> this in contests due to the phone's abilities, but I believe that a
>>> technical solution can be found that will be satisfying to the contest
>>> officials for use as a backup logger.
>>
>>> The really nice features of GlidePath are:
>>
>>> 1. Super easy OLC submission: You just log your flight, and tap a
>>> couple of times, and your flight is on OLC. No hassles with SD cards
>>> and making sure you get everything transferred before the OLC weekly
>>> deadline.
>>> 2. Super easy transfer of flights to your computer: Just push a
>>> button and the flight is emailed to yourself or anyone else.
>>> 3. Very low cost to start logging your flights, which is especially
>>> useful to newcomers to the sport who may be flying club gliders. They
>>> can start analyzing their flights quickly and easily, and start
>>> participating on OLC even before they start doing real x/c.
>>
>>> Some tips:
>>
>>> 1. Turn off Wi-Fi and Cellular Data for the best GPS reception
>>> 2. Make sure the phone has a clear view of the sky. It's easy to
>>> accomplish this by either using a cheap suction cup mount or a running
>>> type armband.
>>> 3. For long flights, battery life may be a concern. Turning off Wi-Fi
>>> and Cellular Data help a lot, but you may want to consider one of the
>>> available external batteries or plugging into ships power with one of
>>> the car adapters available for the phone. Battery life is also an
>>> area I will be addressing in the next couple of versions.
>>
>>> On Sep 1, 11:30 am, Darryl > wrote:
>>
>>>> On Sep 1, 9:17 am, Mike the > wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Sep 1, 6:59 am, > wrote:
>>
>>>>>> From time to time I check the iPhone app store for soaring apps. I
>>>>>> just came across GlidePath. The developer claims it's OLC compliant. I
>>>>>> havent purchased it yet, but it looks like a good backup for OLC
>>>>>> flying.
>>
>>>>>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/glidepath/id383714417?mt=8#
>>
>>>>>> Pete
>>
>>>>> Interesting App. My concern would be battery life without external
>>>>> power. I've used a few tracking and logging apps on my iPhone and
>>>>> find I am limited to a couple of hours before needing a recharge.
>>>>> Presumably it also won't plot a map without Internet access. Assuming
>>>>> this is available via 3G, this is currently likely a violation of
>>>>> contest rules.
>>
>>>>> Mike
>>
>>>> OLC Contest Rules? They don't seem to care about communication
>>>> devices.
>>>> I suspect it is not aimed at sanctioned contests and would not try to
>>>> be an IGC position recorder.
>>
>>>> The power consumption is likely to be high. I don't believe it can
>>>> rely on the background low-power tracking mode in iOS 4 as that relies
>>>> on cell tower switching tricks.
>>
>>>> Anybody tried it?
>>
>>>> Darryl
>>
>> Thanks for the info - probably the cheapest way of getting an OLC
>> certified logger.
>>
>> Am I correct in my assumption that the mapping feature will work only
>> with wifi or cellphone access, or does the app have the capability of
>> storing maps to memory?
>>
>> Also, I assume it will work on an iPad, which has much better battery
>> life.
>>
>> Mike
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> The mapping feature currently uses the iPhone's Google Maps
> capability, which downloads the map tiles over the wireless
> connection. Therefore, unless you have previously pulled up the Maps
> app and viewed the area you will be flying in, you probably (depending
> on cell reception) won't be able to view a map in flight. Certainly,
> this is an area that I'm looking at for future versions. Currently,
> the app is essentially a logger, a log viewer, and an easy way to
> email logs, and submit them to OLC. Additionally, it provides a
> simple display such as speed, ground track, and distance/bearing to
> the takeoff point. It's not yet a replacement for a flight computer
> or moving-map GPS. I haven't tested GlidePath on the iPad, but it
> should work fine assuming you have the 3G iPad -- the Wi-Fi version
> doesn't have a GPS. Also, I love feature requests. Email me if
> there's something you'd like to see in an iPhone soaring app!
>
> -Dave
How about an interface to ADS-B transceivers (Navworx and the 1090ES
transceivers on the market) to show other aircraft in your area.

--
Mike Schumann

[Mike the Strike]

On Sep 3, 5:59*pm, Mike Schumann >
wrote:
> On 9/2/2010 1:03 AM, kammeyer wrote:
>
> > On Sep 1, 11:59 pm, Mike the > *wrote:
> >> On Sep 1, 7:58 pm, > *wrote:
>
> >>> Hi All,
>
> >>> I'm the author of GlidePath. *Just to clarify a few things -- we are
> >>> OLC approved, although I have gotten a couple of comments about
> >>> validation problems, and we'll be releasing a new version shortly that
> >>> resolves these issues. *I'm hoping to get it approved as an IGC
> >>> Position Recorder, which is a new class of loggers that can only be
> >>> used for Silver and Gold badges. *There are some obstacles for using
> >>> this in contests due to the phone's abilities, but I believe that a
> >>> technical solution can be found that will be satisfying to the contest
> >>> officials for use as a backup logger.
>
> >>> The really nice features of GlidePath are:
>
> >>> 1. Super easy OLC submission: *You just log your flight, and tap a
> >>> couple of times, and your flight is on OLC. *No hassles with SD cards
> >>> and making sure you get everything transferred before the OLC weekly
> >>> deadline.
> >>> 2. Super easy transfer of flights to your computer: *Just push a
> >>> button and the flight is emailed to yourself or anyone else.
> >>> 3. Very low cost to start logging your flights, which is especially
> >>> useful to newcomers to the sport who may be flying club gliders. *They
> >>> can start analyzing their flights quickly and easily, and start
> >>> participating on OLC even before they start doing real x/c.
>
> >>> Some tips:
>
> >>> 1. Turn off Wi-Fi and Cellular Data for the best GPS reception
> >>> 2. Make sure the phone has a clear view of the sky. *It's easy to
> >>> accomplish this by either using a cheap suction cup mount or a running
> >>> type armband.
> >>> 3. For long flights, battery life may be a concern. *Turning off Wi-Fi
> >>> and Cellular Data help a lot, but you may want to consider one of the
> >>> available external batteries or plugging into ships power with one of
> >>> the car adapters available for the phone. *Battery life is also an
> >>> area I will be addressing in the next couple of versions.
>
> >>> On Sep 1, 11:30 am, Darryl > *wrote:
>
> >>>> On Sep 1, 9:17 am, Mike the > *wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Sep 1, 6:59 am, > *wrote:
>
> >>>>>> *From time to time I check the iPhone app store for soaring apps.. I
> >>>>>> just came across GlidePath. The developer claims it's OLC compliant. I
> >>>>>> havent purchased it yet, but it looks like a good backup for OLC
> >>>>>> flying.
>
> >>>>>>http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/glidepath/id383714417?mt=8#
>
> >>>>>> Pete
>
> >>>>> Interesting App. *My concern would be battery life without external
> >>>>> power. *I've used a few tracking and logging apps on my iPhone and
> >>>>> find I am limited to a couple of hours before needing a recharge.
> >>>>> Presumably it also won't plot a map without Internet access. *Assuming
> >>>>> this is available via 3G, this is currently likely a violation of
> >>>>> contest rules.
>
> >>>>> Mike
>
> >>>> OLC Contest Rules? They don't seem to care about communication
> >>>> devices.
> >>>> I suspect it is not aimed at sanctioned contests and would not try to
> >>>> be an IGC position recorder.
>
> >>>> The power consumption is likely to be high. I don't believe it can
> >>>> rely on the background low-power tracking mode in iOS 4 as that relies
> >>>> on cell tower switching tricks.
>
> >>>> Anybody tried it?
>
> >>>> Darryl
>
> >> Thanks for the info - probably the cheapest way of getting an OLC
> >> certified logger.
>
> >> Am I correct in my assumption that *the mapping feature will work only
> >> with wifi or cellphone access, or does the app have the capability of
> >> storing maps to memory?
>
> >> Also, I assume it will work on an iPad, which has much better battery
> >> life.
>
> >> Mike
>
> > Hi Mike,
>
> > The mapping feature currently uses the iPhone's Google Maps
> > capability, which downloads the map tiles over the wireless
> > connection. *Therefore, unless you have previously pulled up the Maps
> > app and viewed the area you will be flying in, you probably (depending
> > on cell reception) won't be able to view a map in flight. *Certainly,
> > this is an area that I'm looking at for future versions. *Currently,
> > the app is essentially a logger, a log viewer, and an easy way to
> > email logs, and submit them to OLC. *Additionally, it provides a
> > simple display such as speed, ground track, and distance/bearing to
> > the takeoff point. *It's not yet a replacement for a flight computer
> > or moving-map GPS. *I haven't tested GlidePath on the iPad, but it
> > should work fine assuming you have the 3G iPad -- the Wi-Fi version
> > doesn't have a GPS. *Also, I love feature requests. *Email me if
> > there's something you'd like to see in an iPhone soaring app!
>
> > -Dave
>
> How about an interface to ADS-B transceivers (Navworx and the 1090ES
> transceivers on the market) to show other aircraft in your area.
>
> --
> Mike Schumann

Tucson Soaring Club will be flying an iPhone logger this weekend and
we will report back on our experience.

Mike

[Mike the Strike]

On Sep 4, 8:24*am, Mike the Strike > wrote:
> On Sep 3, 5:59*pm, Mike Schumann >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 9/2/2010 1:03 AM, kammeyer wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 1, 11:59 pm, Mike the > *wrote:
> > >> On Sep 1, 7:58 pm, > *wrote:
>
> > >>> Hi All,
>
> > >>> I'm the author of GlidePath. *Just to clarify a few things -- we are
> > >>> OLC approved, although I have gotten a couple of comments about
> > >>> validation problems, and we'll be releasing a new version shortly that
> > >>> resolves these issues. *I'm hoping to get it approved as an IGC
> > >>> Position Recorder, which is a new class of loggers that can only be
> > >>> used for Silver and Gold badges. *There are some obstacles for using
> > >>> this in contests due to the phone's abilities, but I believe that a
> > >>> technical solution can be found that will be satisfying to the contest
> > >>> officials for use as a backup logger.
>
> > >>> The really nice features of GlidePath are:
>
> > >>> 1. Super easy OLC submission: *You just log your flight, and tap a
> > >>> couple of times, and your flight is on OLC. *No hassles with SD cards
> > >>> and making sure you get everything transferred before the OLC weekly
> > >>> deadline.
> > >>> 2. Super easy transfer of flights to your computer: *Just push a
> > >>> button and the flight is emailed to yourself or anyone else.
> > >>> 3. Very low cost to start logging your flights, which is especially
> > >>> useful to newcomers to the sport who may be flying club gliders. *They
> > >>> can start analyzing their flights quickly and easily, and start
> > >>> participating on OLC even before they start doing real x/c.
>
> > >>> Some tips:
>
> > >>> 1. Turn off Wi-Fi and Cellular Data for the best GPS reception
> > >>> 2. Make sure the phone has a clear view of the sky. *It's easy to
> > >>> accomplish this by either using a cheap suction cup mount or a running
> > >>> type armband.
> > >>> 3. For long flights, battery life may be a concern. *Turning off Wi-Fi
> > >>> and Cellular Data help a lot, but you may want to consider one of the
> > >>> available external batteries or plugging into ships power with one of
> > >>> the car adapters available for the phone. *Battery life is also an
> > >>> area I will be addressing in the next couple of versions.
>
> > >>> On Sep 1, 11:30 am, Darryl > *wrote:
>
> > >>>> On Sep 1, 9:17 am, Mike the > *wrote:
>
> > >>>>> On Sep 1, 6:59 am, > *wrote:
>
> > >>>>>> *From time to time I check the iPhone app store for soaring apps. I
> > >>>>>> just came across GlidePath. The developer claims it's OLC compliant. I
> > >>>>>> havent purchased it yet, but it looks like a good backup for OLC
> > >>>>>> flying.
>
> > >>>>>>http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/glidepath/id383714417?mt=8#
>
> > >>>>>> Pete
>
> > >>>>> Interesting App. *My concern would be battery life without external
> > >>>>> power. *I've used a few tracking and logging apps on my iPhone and
> > >>>>> find I am limited to a couple of hours before needing a recharge.
> > >>>>> Presumably it also won't plot a map without Internet access. *Assuming
> > >>>>> this is available via 3G, this is currently likely a violation of
> > >>>>> contest rules.
>
> > >>>>> Mike
>
> > >>>> OLC Contest Rules? They don't seem to care about communication
> > >>>> devices.
> > >>>> I suspect it is not aimed at sanctioned contests and would not try to
> > >>>> be an IGC position recorder.
>
> > >>>> The power consumption is likely to be high. I don't believe it can
> > >>>> rely on the background low-power tracking mode in iOS 4 as that relies
> > >>>> on cell tower switching tricks.
>
> > >>>> Anybody tried it?
>
> > >>>> Darryl
>
> > >> Thanks for the info - probably the cheapest way of getting an OLC
> > >> certified logger.
>
> > >> Am I correct in my assumption that *the mapping feature will work only
> > >> with wifi or cellphone access, or does the app have the capability of
> > >> storing maps to memory?
>
> > >> Also, I assume it will work on an iPad, which has much better battery
> > >> life.
>
> > >> Mike
>
> > > Hi Mike,
>
> > > The mapping feature currently uses the iPhone's Google Maps
> > > capability, which downloads the map tiles over the wireless
> > > connection. *Therefore, unless you have previously pulled up the Maps
> > > app and viewed the area you will be flying in, you probably (depending
> > > on cell reception) won't be able to view a map in flight. *Certainly,
> > > this is an area that I'm looking at for future versions. *Currently,
> > > the app is essentially a logger, a log viewer, and an easy way to
> > > email logs, and submit them to OLC. *Additionally, it provides a
> > > simple display such as speed, ground track, and distance/bearing to
> > > the takeoff point. *It's not yet a replacement for a flight computer
> > > or moving-map GPS. *I haven't tested GlidePath on the iPad, but it
> > > should work fine assuming you have the 3G iPad -- the Wi-Fi version
> > > doesn't have a GPS. *Also, I love feature requests. *Email me if
> > > there's something you'd like to see in an iPhone soaring app!
>
> > > -Dave
>
> > How about an interface to ADS-B transceivers (Navworx and the 1090ES
> > transceivers on the market) to show other aircraft in your area.
>
> > --
> > Mike Schumann
>
> Tucson Soaring Club will be flying an iPhone logger this weekend and
> we will report back on our experience.
>
> Mike

It works as advertised and uploads to OLC with no hassles.

Mike

[Scott Alexander[_2_]]

Works awesome!!! What a deal! I use my iPhone 4 for last minute
weather checks on xcskies.com and drjacks when I'm on the grid. Now I
have a backup logger for 10 bucks! Highway Robbery at that price.

I used it this morning with cellular data off and wifi off to log my
morning run. I had 0% circling, 1 glide and a mean L/D of 32.6 (I
stopped the program at the low spot in my neighborhood halfway through
my run to play with it). Then came back in and downloaded it to
SeeYou and watched a sailplane shoot down the streets of my
neighborhood, funny.

Thanks for designing this, I now have a logger when I give rides in
the Blanik L-23 at our club. And also, thanks for giving it away at a
steal of a price.

[Scott Alexander[_2_]]

Here's a link to a flight I did last week of which I used my iPhone
glidepath logger to record the flight. You can download the .igc file
from the olc to see what you think. I have my recording intervals set
to 5 seconds, but can be changed higher or lower, even 1 second. Best
part of it all was this: when I rolled off to the side of the runway,
before I climbed out of the cockpit, my flight was already posted to
the OLC!


http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=1551175



Not bad for only 10 bucks.' this iPhone is a great invention, useful
for so many things.

[Grider Pirate]

On Sep 20, 1:48*pm, Scott Alexander >
wrote:
> Here's a link to a flight I did last week of which I used my iPhone
> glidepath logger to record the flight. You can download the .igc file
> from the olc to see what you think. I have my recording intervals set
> to 5 seconds, but can be changed higher or lower, even 1 second. *Best
> part of it all was this: when I rolled off to the side of the runway,
> before I climbed out of the cockpit, my flight was already posted to
> the OLC!
>
> http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=155....
>
> Not bad for only 10 bucks.' this iPhone is a great invention, useful
> for so many things.

It would be really neat if they would combine "Glidepath" with
"SkyCharts"! My iPhone has current charts all the time.
(though they do take some time to update). SkyCharts allows you to
cache some charts, so it works just fine with no cellular service.

[Grider Pirate]

On Sep 1, 9:17*am, Mike the Strike > wrote:
> On Sep 1, 6:59*am, vontresc > wrote:
>
> > From time to time I check the iPhone app store for soaring apps. I
> > just came across GlidePath. The developer claims it's OLC compliant. I
> > havent purchased it yet, but it looks like a good backup for OLC
> > flying.
>
> >http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/glidepath/id383714417?mt=8#
>
> > Pete
>
> Interesting App. *My concern would be battery life without external
> power. *I've used a few tracking and logging apps on my iPhone and
> find I am limited to a couple of hours before needing a recharge.
> Presumably it also won't plot a map without Internet access. *Assuming
> this is available via 3G, this is currently likely a violation of
> contest rules.
>
> Mike

External power is easy. Get a cigarette lighter USB power adapter and
hack it to add connectors to your glider battery. Another 'under
$10.00' solution.

[Surfer![_2_]]

"Scott Alexander" > wrote in message
...
>
> Here's a link to a flight I did last week of which I used my iPhone
> glidepath logger to record the flight. You can download the .igc file
> from the olc to see what you think. I have my recording intervals set
> to 5 seconds, but can be changed higher or lower, even 1 second. Best
> part of it all was this: when I rolled off to the side of the runway,
> before I climbed out of the cockpit, my flight was already posted to
> the OLC!
>
> http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=1551175
>
> Not bad for only 10 bucks.' this iPhone is a great invention, useful
> for so many things.


All I need is the money for an iPhone!

[Dan[_6_]]

On Sep 21, 12:21*am, "Surfer!" > wrote:
> "Scott Alexander" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > Here's a link to a flight I did last week of which I used my iPhone
> > glidepath logger to record the flight. You can download the .igc file
> > from the olc to see what you think. I have my recording intervals set
> > to 5 seconds, but can be changed higher or lower, even 1 second. *Best
> > part of it all was this: when I rolled off to the side of the runway,
> > before I climbed out of the cockpit, my flight was already posted to
> > the OLC!
>
> >http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=155....
>
> > Not bad for only 10 bucks.' this iPhone is a great invention, useful
> > for so many things.
>
> All I need is the money for an iPhone!

are there plans to run WinPilot or SeeYou mobile on the iphone as
well?
Logger, GPS,moving map, phone, camera....etc.... WOW!

Dan
WO

[Andy[_1_]]

On Sep 1, 9:59*pm, Mike the Strike > wrote:

>Thanks for the info - probably the cheapest way of getting an OLC
>certified logger.

Really? How much is an iPhone, the app, and a suitable service
contract?

Andy

[Grider Pirate]

On Sep 22, 6:40*am, Andy > wrote:
> On Sep 1, 9:59*pm, Mike the Strike > wrote:
>
> >Thanks for the info - probably the cheapest way of getting an OLC
> >certified logger.
>
> Really? *How much is an iPhone, the app, and a suitable service
> contract?
>
> Andy

[Grider Pirate]

On Sep 22, 6:40*am, Andy > wrote:
> On Sep 1, 9:59*pm, Mike the Strike > wrote:
>
> >Thanks for the info - probably the cheapest way of getting an OLC
> >certified logger.
>
> Really? *How much is an iPhone, the app, and a suitable service
> contract?
>
> Andy

Oops.
..... what I intended to write was:
It IS very inexpensive, if you already have a iPhone 4G.

[Dan[_6_]]

On Sep 22, 7:06*am, Grider Pirate > wrote:
> On Sep 22, 6:40*am, Andy > wrote:
>
> > On Sep 1, 9:59*pm, Mike the Strike > wrote:
>
> > >Thanks for the info - probably the cheapest way of getting an OLC
> > >certified logger.
>
> > Really? *How much is an iPhone, the app, and a suitable service
> > contract?
>
> > Andy
>
> Oops.
> .... what I intended to write was:
> It IS very inexpensive, if you already have a iPhone 4G.

I've been thinking of upgrading my cell phone and upgrading from an
iPAQ to a PNA or Oudie.
An iPhone is still cheaper than an Oudie plus it's a phone and does so
much more.
Check Dr Jack and X/C Skies before flight, Check Sat photos for cloud
cover etc...
This could be really a great for me if it will run SeeYou Mobile too.
Dan
WO

[Surfer![_2_]]

"Dan" > wrote in message
...
> On Sep 21, 12:21 am, "Surfer!" > wrote:
<snip>
>> > Not bad for only 10 bucks.' this iPhone is a great invention, useful
>> > for so many things.
>>
>> All I need is the money for an iPhone!
>
> are there plans to run WinPilot or SeeYou mobile on the iphone as
> well?
> Logger, GPS,moving map, phone, camera....etc.... WOW!

The iPhone still costs what it costs! I have a cheap PDA that does the
moving map, a phone from work that's a phone, and I never take a camera
flying as I reckon I should be looking going not at a viewfinder.

[kirk.stant]

On Sep 22, 10:45*am, "Surfer!" > wrote:
> "Dan" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On Sep 21, 12:21 am, "Surfer!" > wrote:
> <snip>
> >> > Not bad for only 10 bucks.' this iPhone is a great invention, useful
> >> > for so many things.
>
> >> All I need is the money for an iPhone!
>
> > are there plans to run WinPilot or SeeYou mobile on the iphone as
> > well?
> > Logger, GPS,moving map, phone, camera....etc.... WOW!
>
> The iPhone still costs what it costs! *I have a cheap PDA that does the
> moving map, a phone from work that's a phone, and I never take a camera
> flying as I reckon I should be looking going not at a viewfinder.

Uh, guys, have you looked at an iPhone screen inflight lately? Good
luck!

It's a great device for checking SPOT pages, XCSkies, calling home,
pictures of cute line crew, music to listen to while waiting for a
retrieve, etc; and now a nice little backup logger - but it's not
going to replace a bigger, brighter display as a primary device for a
while.

That being said, for $10 I now have a nice little OLC logger for my
flights in a club ship - that's a smoking deal, for me!

Kirk
66

iSwissArmyKnife?

[Bruce Hoult]

On Sep 23, 1:40*am, Andy > wrote:
> On Sep 1, 9:59*pm, Mike the Strike > wrote:
>
> >Thanks for the info - probably the cheapest way of getting an OLC
> >certified logger.
>
> Really? *How much is an iPhone, the app, and a suitable service
> contract?

It is seldom worth buying an iPhone for any one application.

If you already have one for some reason -- perhaps for making phone
calls -- then adding additional applications is inexpensive.

Multiply that by ten or twenty applications and the hardware price per
app starts to get quite low, and without having to carry ten or twenty
different items with you.

The same goes for Android, of course, or WinCE, but the iPhone/iPod
Touch/iPad seems to have hit critical mass.

[Stewart James]

>Uh, guys, have you looked at an iPhone screen inflight lately? Good
>luck!

I have an iPhone 4 and the screen is fantastic in bright sunlight, much
better than the majority of screens! and the size is sufficient to see
everything thats included in things like seeyou!






At 19:52 22 September 2010, kirk.stant wrote:
>On Sep 22, 10:45=A0am, "Surfer!" wrote:
>> "Dan" wrote in message
>>
>>
...
>>
>> > On Sep 21, 12:21 am, "Surfer!" wrote:
>>
>> >> > Not bad for only 10 bucks.' this iPhone is a great invention,
>useful
>> >> > for so many things.
>>
>> >> All I need is the money for an iPhone!
>>
>> > are there plans to run WinPilot or SeeYou mobile on the iphone as
>> > well?
>> > Logger, GPS,moving map, phone, camera....etc.... WOW!
>>
>> The iPhone still costs what it costs! =A0I have a cheap PDA that does
>the
>> moving map, a phone from work that's a phone, and I never take a
camera
>> flying as I reckon I should be looking going not at a viewfinder.
>
>Uh, guys, have you looked at an iPhone screen inflight lately? Good
>luck!
>
>It's a great device for checking SPOT pages, XCSkies, calling home,
>pictures of cute line crew, music to listen to while waiting for a
>retrieve, etc; and now a nice little backup logger - but it's not
>going to replace a bigger, brighter display as a primary device for a
>while.
>
>That being said, for $10 I now have a nice little OLC logger for my
>flights in a club ship - that's a smoking deal, for me!
>
>Kirk
>66
>
>iSwissArmyKnife?
>

[Surfer![_2_]]

"Bruce Hoult" > wrote in message
...
<snip>
> If you already have one for some reason -- perhaps for making phone
> calls -- then adding additional applications is inexpensive.
>
> Multiply that by ten or twenty applications and the hardware price per
> app starts to get quite low, and without having to carry ten or twenty
> different items with you.
>
> The same goes for Android, of course, or WinCE, but the iPhone/iPod
> Touch/iPad seems to have hit critical mass.

Except I can't think of 10 things I want my phone to do, let alone 20
things. I can think of two - make & receive voice, send & receive text. My
old free Nokia does both of those beautifully. I've very occasionally used
it as a calculator as well.

[kirk.stant]

On Sep 23, 6:40*am, "Surfer!" > wrote:
>
> Except I can't think of 10 things I want my phone to do, let alone 20
> things. *I can think of two - make & receive voice, send & receive text.. *My
> old free Nokia does both of those beautifully. *I've very occasionally used
> it as a calculator as well.

Lets see, on my iPhone (that I only got because my wife insisted), I
now:
1. make calls
2. check email
3. take pictures and videos
4. browse online (including reading RAS)
5. check my friends SPOT pages
6. check weather on XCskies
7. check my bank account (yikes!) and balance my account
8. use google maps to find out where the doctors appointment is and
see where the traffic jams are
9. check local weather radar
10. check for NOTAMS and TFRs
11. listen to music or watch movies on airline flights
12. track my bike rides for distance, time, and calories
13. check news on NPR
14. use the calendar to track appointments
15. sent & receive text messages from my daughter
16. log my flights in club ships and post to OLC (well, now have the
capability...)

you get the idea.

I tried PDAs and hated them (except for running SYM inflight). But
the iPhone (and I'm sure there are other equally versatile phones out
there) has been a revelation; I now don't even bother to take my
laptop on trips - I can do anything I really need on my little phone.

So yeah, it's not cheap, but you get a LOT for the money!

And it's fun...

Kirk
66

[Ramy]

On Sep 23, 5:56*am, "kirk.stant" > wrote:
> On Sep 23, 6:40*am, "Surfer!" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Except I can't think of 10 things I want my phone to do, let alone 20
> > things. *I can think of two - make & receive voice, send & receive text. *My
> > old free Nokia does both of those beautifully. *I've very occasionally used
> > it as a calculator as well.
>
> Lets see, on my iPhone (that I only got because my wife insisted), I
> now:
> 1. make calls
> 2. check email
> 3. take pictures and videos
> 4. browse online (including reading RAS)
> 5. check my friends SPOT pages
> 6. check weather on XCskies
> 7. check my bank account (yikes!) and balance my account
> 8. use google maps to find out where the doctors appointment is and
> see where the traffic jams are
> 9. check local weather radar
> 10. check for NOTAMS and TFRs
> 11. listen to music or watch movies on airline flights
> 12. track my bike rides for distance, time, and calories
> 13. check news on NPR
> 14. use the calendar to track appointments
> 15. sent & receive text messages from my daughter
> 16. log my flights in club ships and post to OLC (well, now have the
> capability...)
>
> you get the idea.
>
> I tried PDAs and hated them (except for running SYM inflight). *But
> the iPhone (and I'm sure there are other equally versatile phones out
> there) has been a revelation; I now don't even bother to take my
> laptop on trips - I can do anything I really need on my little phone.
>
> So yeah, it's not cheap, but you get a LOT for the money!
>
> And it's fun...
>
> Kirk
> 66

Ditto!
just to add few more soaring related things:
17 - Use it to check my location on a sectional chart (great backup)
18 - Check the latest forecast, blipmap, sat photo etc before I launch
19 - Check the exact sunset time at my location so I can land on time
20 - Send a google map link of my location via SMS to anyone with a
smartphone in case of landout

So there you go, at least 20 good reasons to use an iphone or
similar.

Ramy

[Surfer![_2_]]

"kirk.stant" > wrote in message
...
> On Sep 23, 6:40 am, "Surfer!" > wrote:
>>
>> Except I can't think of 10 things I want my phone to do, let alone 20
>> things. I can think of two - make & receive voice, send & receive text.
>> My
>> old free Nokia does both of those beautifully. I've very occasionally
>> used
>> it as a calculator as well.
>
> Lets see, on my iPhone (that I only got because my wife insisted), I
> now:
> 1. make calls

Yes.

> 2. check email

No, I use the laptop and the screen on an iPhone is too small.

> 3. take pictures and videos

No, I use a camera.

> 4. browse online (including reading RAS)

No, happy using the laptop and we have free wifi in the clubhouse as does
ever other club I've been to in the UK.

> 5. check my friends SPOT pages

This is part of #4 surely?

> 6. check weather on XCskies

More #4.

> 7. check my bank account (yikes!) and balance my account

More #4.

> 8. use google maps to find out where the doctors appointment is and
> see where the traffic jams are

More #4. And the internet won't tell me where the local farmers are moving
big bales around, which are just about the only thing making traffic jams
between me and the gliding club.

> 9. check local weather radar

More #4.

> 10. check for NOTAMS and TFRs

More #4.

> 11. listen to music or watch movies on airline flights


> 12. track my bike rides for distance, time, and calories

I don't ride a bike

> 13. check news on NPR

More #4 I suspect/

> 14. use the calendar to track appointments

I use my laptop and keep them in my work email which I can access via
Outlook or webmail.

> 15. sent & receive text messages from my daughter

My Nokia does text but I hate text.


> 16. log my flights in club ships and post to OLC (well, now have the
> capability...)

Am quite happy using the Microrecorder which is valid for badge claims as
well.

And to the extra one someone added about telling people where you are - I
find a lat/long from the logger works very well.


> you get the idea.
>
> I tried PDAs and hated them (except for running SYM inflight). But
> the iPhone (and I'm sure there are other equally versatile phones out
> there) has been a revelation; I now don't even bother to take my
> laptop on trips - I can do anything I really need on my little phone.
>
> So yeah, it's not cheap, but you get a LOT for the money!
>
> And it's fun...

Well - if you are an iPhone geek!

[Grider Pirate]

On Sep 23, 12:53*pm, "Surfer!" > wrote:
> "kirk.stant" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On Sep 23, 6:40 am, "Surfer!" > wrote:
>
> >> Except I can't think of 10 things I want my phone to do, let alone 20
> >> things. *I can think of two - make & receive voice, send & receive text.
> >> My
> >> old free Nokia does both of those beautifully. *I've very occasionally
> >> used
> >> it as a calculator as well.
>
> > Lets see, on my iPhone (that I only got because my wife insisted), I
> > now:
> > 1. make calls
>
> Yes.
>
> > 2. check email
>
> No, I use the laptop and the screen on an iPhone is too small.
>
> > 3. take pictures and videos
>
> No, I use a camera.
>
> > 4. browse online (including reading RAS)
>
> No, happy using the laptop and we have free wifi in the clubhouse as does
> ever other club I've been to in the UK.
>
> > 5. check my friends SPOT pages
>
> This is part of #4 surely?
>
> > 6. check weather on XCskies
>
> More #4.
>
> > 7. check my bank account (yikes!) and balance my account
>
> More #4.
>
> > 8. use google maps to find out where the doctors appointment is and
> > see where the traffic jams are
>
> More #4. *And the internet won't tell me where the local farmers are moving
> big bales around, which are just about the only thing making traffic jams
> between me and the gliding club.
>
> > 9. check local weather radar
>
> More #4.
>
> > 10. check for NOTAMS and TFRs
>
> More #4.
>
> > 11. listen to music or watch movies on airline flights
> > 12. track my bike rides for distance, time, and calories
>
> I don't ride a bike
>
> > 13. check news on NPR
>
> More #4 I suspect/
>
> > 14. use the calendar to track appointments
>
> I use my laptop and keep them in my work email which I can access via
> Outlook or webmail.
>
> > 15. sent & receive text messages from my daughter
>
> My Nokia does text but I hate text.
>
> > 16. log my flights in club ships and post to OLC (well, now have the
> > capability...)
>
> Am quite happy using the Microrecorder which is valid for badge claims as
> well.
>
> And to the extra one someone added about telling people where you are - I
> find a lat/long from the logger works very well.
>
> > you get the idea.
>
> > I tried PDAs and hated them (except for running SYM inflight). *But
> > the iPhone (and I'm sure there are other equally versatile phones out
> > there) has been a revelation; I now don't even bother to take my
> > laptop on trips - I can do anything I really need on my little phone.
>
> > So yeah, it's not cheap, but you get a LOT for the money!
>
> > And it's fun...
>
> Well - if you are an iPhone geek!

iPhone Geek, Laptop Geek. Whatever.

[Bruce Hoult]

On Sep 24, 7:53*am, "Surfer!" > wrote:
> > 3. take pictures and videos
>
> No, I use a camera.

What's this, if not a camera?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45008007@N04/4317687126/sizes/l/

That was taken with the 3 MP iPhone 3GS (as were the other 229 photos
in that flickr account). This year's model is 5 MP.

I'm sure your camera is better, but the original point made was that
the iPhone and Android devices let you do a multitude of things quite
well WITHOUT carrying around a multitude of devices such as phone,
camera, GPS logger, laptop...

[Darryl Ramm]

On Sep 20, 3:29*pm, Grider Pirate > wrote:
> On Sep 1, 9:17*am, Mike the Strike > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 1, 6:59*am, vontresc > wrote:
>
> > > From time to time I check the iPhone app store for soaring apps. I
> > > just came across GlidePath. The developer claims it's OLC compliant. I
> > > havent purchased it yet, but it looks like a good backup for OLC
> > > flying.
>
> > >http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/glidepath/id383714417?mt=8#
>
> > > Pete
>
> > Interesting App. *My concern would be battery life without external
> > power. *I've used a few tracking and logging apps on my iPhone and
> > find I am limited to a couple of hours before needing a recharge.
> > Presumably it also won't plot a map without Internet access. *Assuming
> > this is available via 3G, this is currently likely a violation of
> > contest rules.
>
> > Mike
>
> External power is easy. *Get a cigarette lighter USB power adapter and
> hack it to add connectors to your glider battery. *Another 'under
> $10.00' solution.

The iPhone is fussy about DC power adapters, many cheap USB out
cigarette lighter adapters won't work with a iPhone you are not into
mucking around with this buy one that specifically states it works
with a current generation iPhone. For the technically inclined the
difference is a couple of resistors, well documented on the Web. Some
of the cheap adapters also leak lots of RF noise that can affect your
VHF radio. Better ones should be fine.

Darryl

[Scott Alexander[_2_]]

Surfer:

Admit it - deep down inside you know your going to eventually buy an
iPhone!!!

Last week while on the grid, another glider pilot and I were
discussing the task area. I said I didn't know of anyone good landouts
spots enroute to the first turnpoint. He mentioned there was a sod
farm half way there. So I whipped out the iPhone and we zoomed in on
the google maps app, he showed me precisely where it was. My laptop
wasn't handy, but my iPhone was in my pocket.....how handy.

Btw I downloaded the red laser app. It is free. Along with 250,000
apps that are also free. It converts your iPhone to scan barcodes. Now
when put shopping, I can scan an items barcodes and it tells me the
price, details, and where else within 5 miles I can buy it for
cheaper!

Gas prices app, tracks your location and tells you where the cheapest
gas is.

The webcam function allows me to have a face to face chat with my kids
when I am out of town and tell them good night.

The delta airlines app allows me to check in for my flight without
having to wait in line for a gate agent or ticket kiosk.

White noise plays soothing sounds whole you sleep such as rain,
crickets, wind, etc....again no cost to download.

New apps are coming out everyday.

Trust me.....just like Americans did when televisions were invented,
you will do the same with an iPhone!!!!!

[libelle40]

On 24/09/2010 09:56, Bruce Hoult wrote:
> On Sep 24, 7:53 am, > wrote:
>>> 3. take pictures and videos
>>
>> No, I use a camera.
>
> What's this, if not a camera?
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45008007@N04/4317687126/sizes/l/
>
> That was taken with the 3 MP iPhone 3GS (as were the other 229 photos
> in that flickr account). This year's model is 5 MP.
>
> I'm sure your camera is better, but the original point made was that
> the iPhone and Android devices let you do a multitude of things quite
> well WITHOUT carrying around a multitude of devices such as phone,
> camera, GPS logger, laptop...

No. The original point was that you can now get a logger app for the
iphone. iphone users couldn't help themselves turning it into a
discussion on all the things they can do with their iphone.

You've left out the MAIN use for an iphone - endlessly telling innocent
bystanders how clever they are.

GC

[Ramy]

On Sep 23, 12:53*pm, "Surfer!" > wrote:
> "kirk.stant" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On Sep 23, 6:40 am, "Surfer!" > wrote:
>
> >> Except I can't think of 10 things I want my phone to do, let alone 20
> >> things. *I can think of two - make & receive voice, send & receive text.
> >> My
> >> old free Nokia does both of those beautifully. *I've very occasionally
> >> used
> >> it as a calculator as well.
>
> > Lets see, on my iPhone (that I only got because my wife insisted), I
> > now:
> > 1. make calls
>
> Yes.
>
> > 2. check email
>
> No, I use the laptop and the screen on an iPhone is too small.
>
> > 3. take pictures and videos
>
> No, I use a camera.
>
> > 4. browse online (including reading RAS)
>
> No, happy using the laptop and we have free wifi in the clubhouse as does
> ever other club I've been to in the UK.
>
> > 5. check my friends SPOT pages
>
> This is part of #4 surely?
>
> > 6. check weather on XCskies
>
> More #4.
>
> > 7. check my bank account (yikes!) and balance my account
>
> More #4.
>
> > 8. use google maps to find out where the doctors appointment is and
> > see where the traffic jams are
>
> More #4. *And the internet won't tell me where the local farmers are moving
> big bales around, which are just about the only thing making traffic jams
> between me and the gliding club.
>
> > 9. check local weather radar
>
> More #4.
>
> > 10. check for NOTAMS and TFRs
>
> More #4.
>
> > 11. listen to music or watch movies on airline flights
> > 12. track my bike rides for distance, time, and calories
>
> I don't ride a bike
>
> > 13. check news on NPR
>
> More #4 I suspect/
>
> > 14. use the calendar to track appointments
>
> I use my laptop and keep them in my work email which I can access via
> Outlook or webmail.
>
> > 15. sent & receive text messages from my daughter
>
> My Nokia does text but I hate text.
>
> > 16. log my flights in club ships and post to OLC (well, now have the
> > capability...)
>
> Am quite happy using the Microrecorder which is valid for badge claims as
> well.
>
> And to the extra one someone added about telling people where you are - I
> find a lat/long from the logger works very well.
>
> > you get the idea.
>
> > I tried PDAs and hated them (except for running SYM inflight). *But
> > the iPhone (and I'm sure there are other equally versatile phones out
> > there) has been a revelation; I now don't even bother to take my
> > laptop on trips - I can do anything I really need on my little phone.
>
> > So yeah, it's not cheap, but you get a LOT for the money!
>
> > And it's fun...
>
> Well - if you are an iPhone geek!

Can you also put your #4 in your pocket? And use it at the flight line
or even in the cockpit? Sigh...
Once you try an iphone you'll never go back. Even at my home, I rather
check emails and other things on my iphone from the comort of my sofa
than on my computer. But I guees an iPad, which I am going to get
next, is even better for that purpose.

Ramy

[Surfer![_2_]]

"Scott Alexander" > wrote in message
...
> Surfer:
>
> Admit it - deep down inside you know your going to eventually buy an
> iPhone!!!
>
<snip>

Highly unlikely. My mobile phone is provided by work, it's free - a great
price. I take it flying (turned off) so I can call back when I land out,
but despite (or maybe because of) working in IT I don't feel the need to be
able to be online, anywhere, at the drop of a hat.

An iPhone isn't cheap, I can think of lots of things I'd rather spend the
money on - including the dishwasher if it continues to play up.

[John Cochrane[_2_]]

On Sep 1, 8:59*am, vontresc > wrote:
> From time to time I check the iPhone app store for soaring apps. I
> just came across GlidePath. The developer claims it's OLC compliant. I
> havent purchased it yet, but it looks like a good backup for OLC
> flying.
>
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/glidepath/id383714417?mt=8#
>
> Pete

I bought and tried the iphone logger, as it seems a great way to
measure flight length, and score club gliders in our local contest.
However, it's clear that the GPS reception is intermittent. I got a
nice picture of the first half of tow, then about two more fixes at
best in flight. It does well on the ground.
Have other users found any tricks for better in flight performance? I
had it in my shirt pocket, which seemed natural. wifi off to save
battery life, nothing else special
John Cochrane

[Scott Alexander[_2_]]

wifi off - check!

turn cellular data off also.

Do this by settings>general>network>cellular data > off

Then when you turn on glidepath it will show either no-gps signal or
poor-signal.....just give it a minute. Works perfectly for me.

[Bruce Hoult]

On Sep 26, 1:37*pm, John Cochrane >
wrote:
> I bought and tried the iphone logger, as it seems a great way to
> measure flight length, and score club gliders in our local contest.
> However, it's clear that the GPS reception is intermittent. I got a
> nice picture of the first half of tow, then about two more fixes at
> best in flight. It does well on the ground.
> Have other users found any tricks for better in flight performance? I
> had it in my shirt pocket, which seemed natural

I haven't tried GlidePath, but I've used RunKeeper quite a lot on my
bicycle. Keeping the phone in my pocket results in really dodgy
tracks, but I've had perfect results ever since I got a handlebar
mount.

[kammeyer]

On Sep 25, 7:37*pm, John Cochrane >
wrote:
> I bought and tried theiphonelogger, as it seems a great way to
> measure flight length, and score club gliders in our local contest.
> However, it's clear that the GPS reception is intermittent. I got a
> nice picture of the first half of tow, then about two more fixes at
> best in flight. It does well on the ground.
> Have other users found any tricks for better in flight performance? I
> had it in my shirt pocket, which seemed natural. wifi off to save
> battery life, nothing else special
> John Cochrane


Hi John,

I've found that turning Cellular Data off and Wi-Fi off help. The
phone also needs to have a clear view of the sky. If it's in your
pocket, it won't work. I have had very good luck using both suction
cup mounts and running type iPhone armbands in flight, but anything
that gives the phone an unobstructed view of the sky should be fine.
You can monitor the GPS status on the tracking screen. If it says
"Poor Signal", fixes are not being recorded.

-Dave