Cannot get temporary PAMVD license tag for Sailplane Trailer deliveryfrom Pennsylvania to New Mexico!

[blackcat]

Cannot get temporary PAMVD license tag for Sailplane Trailer delivery
from Pennsylvania to New Mexico. Help!

[Canav8]

On Sep 11, 5:52*am, blackcat > wrote:
> Cannot get temporary PAMVD license tag for Sailplane Trailer delivery
> from Pennsylvania to New Mexico. Help!

Why?

[jcarlyle]

Pennsylvania has always been a real pain regarding anything with motor
vehicles - I have bad experiences going back to the 1960s to prove it!
With respect to glider trailers, you either need (1) a properly signed
title from PA (or another state) AND a bill of sale or (2) a paper
trail that shows conveyance of possession going all the way back to
the manufacturer. I've done it both ways, once for each of the glider
trailers I've bought. It helped that I didn't deal with a store front
"get your tags here" operation, but rather a guy recommended by a car
collectors (who is always buying and selling things having dubious
provenance).

You might find it easier registering the trailer in New Mexico, rather
than dealing with Pennsylvania. But then, I have no experience with
New Mexico's DMV! <grin>

-John

On Sep 11, 8:52 am, blackcat > wrote:
> Cannot get temporary PAMVD license tag for Sailplane Trailer delivery
> from Pennsylvania to New Mexico. Help!

[Mike[_8_]]

On Sep 11, 7:31*am, jcarlyle > wrote:
> Pennsylvania has always been a real pain regarding anything with motor
> vehicles - I have bad experiences going back to the 1960s to prove it!
> With respect to glider trailers, you either need (1) a properly signed
> title from PA (or another state) AND a bill of sale or (2) a paper
> trail that shows conveyance of possession going all the way back to
> the manufacturer. I've done it both ways, once for each of the glider
> trailers I've bought. It helped that I didn't deal with a store front
> "get your tags here" operation, but rather a guy recommended by a car
> collectors (who is always buying and selling things having dubious
> provenance).
>
> You might find it easier registering the trailer in New Mexico, rather
> than dealing with Pennsylvania. But then, I have no experience with
> New Mexico's DMV! *<grin>
>
> -John
>
> On Sep 11, 8:52 am, blackcat > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Cannot get temporary PAMVD license tag for Sailplane Trailer delivery
> > from Pennsylvania to New Mexico. Help!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Do you have a current title and registration for the trailer?

In New Mexico, for registering the trailer, there will be a trailer
inspection to check the vin# against the current registration/title,
and there must be a "proper" Bill of Sale. The form is online. In the
past I have been unable to get a temp tag for bringing a sailplane/
trailer into the state. Once in the state you can get a 30 day tag
while any problems with titles/registration are being cleared up.
Unfortunately, the best bet may be to borrow a plate for transport.

[Tim Taylor]

On Sep 11, 8:20*am, Mike > wrote:
> On Sep 11, 7:31*am, jcarlyle > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Pennsylvania has always been a real pain regarding anything with motor
> > vehicles - I have bad experiences going back to the 1960s to prove it!
> > With respect to glider trailers, you either need (1) a properly signed
> > title from PA (or another state) AND a bill of sale or (2) a paper
> > trail that shows conveyance of possession going all the way back to
> > the manufacturer. I've done it both ways, once for each of the glider
> > trailers I've bought. It helped that I didn't deal with a store front
> > "get your tags here" operation, but rather a guy recommended by a car
> > collectors (who is always buying and selling things having dubious
> > provenance).
>
> > You might find it easier registering the trailer in New Mexico, rather
> > than dealing with Pennsylvania. But then, I have no experience with
> > New Mexico's DMV! *<grin>
>
> > -John
>
> > On Sep 11, 8:52 am, blackcat > wrote:
>
> > > Cannot get temporary PAMVD license tag for Sailplane Trailer delivery
> > > from Pennsylvania to New Mexico. Help!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Do you have a current title and registration for the trailer?
>
> In New Mexico, for registering the trailer, there will be a trailer
> inspection to check the vin# against the current registration/title,
> and there must be a "proper" Bill of Sale. The form is online. *In the
> past I have been unable to get a temp tag for bringing a sailplane/
> trailer into the state. Once in the state you can get a 30 day tag
> while any problems with titles/registration are being cleared up.
> Unfortunately, the best bet may be to borrow a plate for transport.

Take the plates off and claim it is from Utah. No registration
required for light trailers.

[Ralph Jones[_3_]]

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 07:33:23 -0700 (PDT), Tim Taylor
> wrote:
[snip]

>>
>> In New Mexico, for registering the trailer, there will be a trailer
>> inspection to check the vin# against the current registration/title,
>> and there must be a "proper" Bill of Sale. The form is online. *In the
>> past I have been unable to get a temp tag for bringing a sailplane/
>> trailer into the state. Once in the state you can get a 30 day tag
>> while any problems with titles/registration are being cleared up.
>> Unfortunately, the best bet may be to borrow a plate for transport.
>
>Take the plates off and claim it is from Utah. No registration
>required for light trailers.
>

Aha-- that probably bears on the problems my partners and I had long
ago when we built a trailer from a kit we bought from Frank Kelsey in
Utah. He delivered the kit to us here in Colorado with no vehicle
paperwork of any kind, and we had a helluva time getting plates for
it.

IIRC, one of us had to become the "manufacturer" and stamp a serial
number (this was before the VIN standard) on the drawbar, then issue a
bill of sale to the partnership. Not long after that, the drawbar
broke (Kelsey being more of an expert on aircraft than on motor
vehicles), and we had to stamp the number again.

rj

[Westbender]

On Sep 11, 9:33*am, Tim Taylor > wrote:
> On Sep 11, 8:20*am, Mike > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 11, 7:31*am, jcarlyle > wrote:
>
> > > Pennsylvania has always been a real pain regarding anything with motor
> > > vehicles - I have bad experiences going back to the 1960s to prove it!
> > > With respect to glider trailers, you either need (1) a properly signed
> > > title from PA (or another state) AND a bill of sale or (2) a paper
> > > trail that shows conveyance of possession going all the way back to
> > > the manufacturer. I've done it both ways, once for each of the glider
> > > trailers I've bought. It helped that I didn't deal with a store front
> > > "get your tags here" operation, but rather a guy recommended by a car
> > > collectors (who is always buying and selling things having dubious
> > > provenance).
>
> > > You might find it easier registering the trailer in New Mexico, rather
> > > than dealing with Pennsylvania. But then, I have no experience with
> > > New Mexico's DMV! *<grin>
>
> > > -John
>
> > > On Sep 11, 8:52 am, blackcat > wrote:
>
> > > > Cannot get temporary PAMVD license tag for Sailplane Trailer delivery
> > > > from Pennsylvania to New Mexico. Help!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Do you have a current title and registration for the trailer?
>
> > In New Mexico, for registering the trailer, there will be a trailer
> > inspection to check the vin# against the current registration/title,
> > and there must be a "proper" Bill of Sale. The form is online. *In the
> > past I have been unable to get a temp tag for bringing a sailplane/
> > trailer into the state. Once in the state you can get a 30 day tag
> > while any problems with titles/registration are being cleared up.
> > Unfortunately, the best bet may be to borrow a plate for transport.
>
> Take the plates off and claim it is from Utah. No registration
> required for light trailers.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Or Wisconsin...

[Papa3]

On Sep 11, 8:52*am, blackcat > wrote:
> Cannot get temporary PAMVD license tag for Sailplane Trailer delivery
> from Pennsylvania to New Mexico. Help!

In New Jersey, the key words turned out to be "home built utility
trailer". This was for a 1981 Komet coming in from Florida without
prior bills of sale or registration. Now, NJ didn't require a
physical inspection of said "home built utility trailer" which made
this painless indeed. Can't say for sure whether this would work in
PA, but a direction worth at least exploring.

P3

[bildan]

On Sep 11, 12:25*pm, Papa3 > wrote:
> On Sep 11, 8:52*am, blackcat > wrote:
>
> > Cannot get temporary PAMVD license tag for Sailplane Trailer delivery
> > from Pennsylvania to New Mexico. Help!
>
> In New Jersey, the key words turned out to be "home built utility
> trailer". * This was for a 1981 Komet coming in from Florida without
> prior bills of sale or registration. * *Now, NJ didn't require a
> physical inspection of said "home built utility trailer" which made
> this painless indeed. * Can't say for sure whether this would work in
> PA, but a direction worth at least exploring.
>
> P3

Another key phrase in most states is "made from materials on hand"
which does not require possession of receipts. "Materials on hand"
might be construed to be parts from an old Komet trailer which somehow
resembles an actually functional Komet Trailer.

BTW, if your state requires a metal VIN number tag for your new "home
built trailer", most pet stores have machines which will stamp
anything you want to say into a brass dog tag for $1. A dog tag in
the shape of a bone with four holes looks very official when riveted
to a trailer tongue.

[Westbender]

On Sep 11, 7:52*am, blackcat > wrote:
> Cannot get temporary PAMVD license tag for Sailplane Trailer delivery
> from Pennsylvania to New Mexico. Help!

I picked my sailplane and trailer up in Fairfield when I bought it. It
had no tag and I had no trouble towing it westward on the turnpike all
the way to Wisconsin. I didn't even consider a temporary tag.

Sounds like the small fine associated with a ticket (very likely not
to happen) might be cheaper and/or less hassle than actually getting
the temporary tag.

[Papa3]

On Sep 12, 9:45*am, Westbender > wrote:
> On Sep 11, 7:52*am, blackcat > wrote:
>
> > Cannot get temporary PAMVD license tag for Sailplane Trailer delivery
> > from Pennsylvania to New Mexico. Help!
>
> I picked my sailplane and trailer up in Fairfield when I bought it. It
> had no tag and I had no trouble towing it westward on the turnpike all
> the way to Wisconsin. I didn't even consider a temporary tag.
>
> Sounds like the small fine associated with a ticket (very likely not
> to happen) might be cheaper and/or less hassle than actually getting
> the temporary tag.

And not that you heard it from me... but in many soaring clubs there
are a couple of valid registrations and bunch of roadworthy club
trailers. Plates have a habit of migrating where needed.

[Lewis Hartswick]

blackcat wrote:
> Cannot get temporary PAMVD license tag for Sailplane Trailer delivery
> from Pennsylvania to New Mexico. Help!
>
Want to borrow a tag from NM ??
Lew in Albuquerque