Richard[_9_]
September 15th 10, 07:13 AM
On Sep 14, 11:14*pm, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
> On Sep 14, 2:03*pm, WE > wrote:
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> > On Sep 14, 11:53*am, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
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> > > On Sep 14, 8:50*am, Mike the Strike > wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 14, 7:52*am, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
>
> > > > > > I tried to follow your links, but there was nothing there.
>
> > > > >http://www.GliderPilot.org/FLARM
>
> > > > > Sigh. (again)
>
> > > > > Darryl
>
> > > > From a recent discussion at our ASA racing group, I think you are now
> > > > preaching to the choir on the benefits of FLARM.
>
> > > > The problem we have is that pilots in the USA are not going to have
> > > > the availability of an inexpensive unit, such as those used in Europe,
> > > > Australia and Africa. *PowerFLARM appears to be a wonderful unit with
> > > > many more benefits and I can see one in my future, but the cost is
> > > > three to four times that of the regular unit and will have a much
> > > > harder time reaching the same levels of adoption as in other
> > > > countries. *I predict that there will be a lot of push-back if the
> > > > rules committee attempts to mandate the use of a $2,000 unit in
> > > > contests.
>
> > > > Mike
>
> > > (It wasn't me "preaching", I assume Mike meant the OP but I'll reply
> > > anyhow).
>
> > > Where does "three to four times" come from?
>
> > > The advertised price of a Flarm Classic unit in the UK looks like £495
> > > (US$770) or £587 (US$913) with IGC recorder. Neither price including
> > > VAT. (seehttp://www.lxavionics.co.uk/flarm.htm)
>
> > > In Australia the advertised price of a miniOzFLarm black box is AU$769
> > > plus likely a display like the Artronic for AU$239. That is a total of
> > > AU$1008 (US$951). We could argue about the possibility of using this
> > > with a PDA only display, but I think you really want the hardwired
> > > display/controller in addition to a PDA. (seehttp://www.swiftavionics..com.au)
>
> > > In Germany the advertised price of a Flarm Classic unit (with IGC
> > > recorder) is EUR685 (US$891).
> > > Seehttp://shop.segelflugbedarf24.de/index.php?cat=c2_FLARM--and-ADS-B.html.
>
> > > The introductory price for PowerFLARM in the USA was US$1495 (with
> > > PCAS, 1090ES and IGC up to three diamonds). The USA list price
> > > mentioned was $1695. I hear that the initial allocation at the
> > > introductory price has sold out.... (maybe time to start asking for an
> > > extension or bulk buy program etc.)
>
> > > Am I missing something? I'm not disputing the new generation
> > > PowerFLARM is more expensive than older Flarm units available
> > > overseas, but I just want people to be careful making pricing
> > > comparisons (and be clear what features like IGC recorders are in
> > > different products - yes not everybody may want that feature, but lets
> > > just be clear on any comparisons). BTW I've seen some people confuse
> > > the pricing on a Flarm display to that of a full Flarm unit, so again
> > > a good idea to be clear exactly what is in any price comparison.
>
> > > Darryl
>
> > Yes, you are, FLARM Classic will not be available in the US.
>
> No, I was replying to the perception that there is a "three to four"
> times price difference. That existing units likely won't be available
> in the USA have already been well discussed all over r.a.s including
> by me. *What I am addressing is whether there is a misperception in
> the pricing/costs of units available overseas and the PowerFLARM
> becoming available in the USA. Do you have something cogent to add to
> that?
>
> Darryl- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
The Promo Price for PowerFlarm will be $1495 until the end of December
2010. This price is for either the panel mount or the remote mount
PowerFlarm. Their is not limit on the number of promo units. I will
update my website when I return from Europe Sept 24 so you can
purchase either version.
The information on gliderpilot.org is informative, excellent and
complete.. Thanks to all that helped.
http://www.craggyaero.com/powerflarm.htm
Richard
www.craggyaero.com
> On Sep 14, 2:03*pm, WE > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 14, 11:53*am, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 14, 8:50*am, Mike the Strike > wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 14, 7:52*am, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
>
> > > > > > I tried to follow your links, but there was nothing there.
>
> > > > >http://www.GliderPilot.org/FLARM
>
> > > > > Sigh. (again)
>
> > > > > Darryl
>
> > > > From a recent discussion at our ASA racing group, I think you are now
> > > > preaching to the choir on the benefits of FLARM.
>
> > > > The problem we have is that pilots in the USA are not going to have
> > > > the availability of an inexpensive unit, such as those used in Europe,
> > > > Australia and Africa. *PowerFLARM appears to be a wonderful unit with
> > > > many more benefits and I can see one in my future, but the cost is
> > > > three to four times that of the regular unit and will have a much
> > > > harder time reaching the same levels of adoption as in other
> > > > countries. *I predict that there will be a lot of push-back if the
> > > > rules committee attempts to mandate the use of a $2,000 unit in
> > > > contests.
>
> > > > Mike
>
> > > (It wasn't me "preaching", I assume Mike meant the OP but I'll reply
> > > anyhow).
>
> > > Where does "three to four times" come from?
>
> > > The advertised price of a Flarm Classic unit in the UK looks like £495
> > > (US$770) or £587 (US$913) with IGC recorder. Neither price including
> > > VAT. (seehttp://www.lxavionics.co.uk/flarm.htm)
>
> > > In Australia the advertised price of a miniOzFLarm black box is AU$769
> > > plus likely a display like the Artronic for AU$239. That is a total of
> > > AU$1008 (US$951). We could argue about the possibility of using this
> > > with a PDA only display, but I think you really want the hardwired
> > > display/controller in addition to a PDA. (seehttp://www.swiftavionics..com.au)
>
> > > In Germany the advertised price of a Flarm Classic unit (with IGC
> > > recorder) is EUR685 (US$891).
> > > Seehttp://shop.segelflugbedarf24.de/index.php?cat=c2_FLARM--and-ADS-B.html.
>
> > > The introductory price for PowerFLARM in the USA was US$1495 (with
> > > PCAS, 1090ES and IGC up to three diamonds). The USA list price
> > > mentioned was $1695. I hear that the initial allocation at the
> > > introductory price has sold out.... (maybe time to start asking for an
> > > extension or bulk buy program etc.)
>
> > > Am I missing something? I'm not disputing the new generation
> > > PowerFLARM is more expensive than older Flarm units available
> > > overseas, but I just want people to be careful making pricing
> > > comparisons (and be clear what features like IGC recorders are in
> > > different products - yes not everybody may want that feature, but lets
> > > just be clear on any comparisons). BTW I've seen some people confuse
> > > the pricing on a Flarm display to that of a full Flarm unit, so again
> > > a good idea to be clear exactly what is in any price comparison.
>
> > > Darryl
>
> > Yes, you are, FLARM Classic will not be available in the US.
>
> No, I was replying to the perception that there is a "three to four"
> times price difference. That existing units likely won't be available
> in the USA have already been well discussed all over r.a.s including
> by me. *What I am addressing is whether there is a misperception in
> the pricing/costs of units available overseas and the PowerFLARM
> becoming available in the USA. Do you have something cogent to add to
> that?
>
> Darryl- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
The Promo Price for PowerFlarm will be $1495 until the end of December
2010. This price is for either the panel mount or the remote mount
PowerFlarm. Their is not limit on the number of promo units. I will
update my website when I return from Europe Sept 24 so you can
purchase either version.
The information on gliderpilot.org is informative, excellent and
complete.. Thanks to all that helped.
http://www.craggyaero.com/powerflarm.htm
Richard
www.craggyaero.com