Used glider values

[Walt Connelly]

I was wondering if there was a blue book of sorts for used gliders?

Walt

[ray conlon]

On Sep 19, 5:41*pm, Walt Connelly <Walt.Connelly.
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> I was wondering if there was a blue book of sorts for used gliders? *
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> Walt
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> Walt Connelly

Not that I have ever seen, Tim at wingsandwheels.com may have some
ideas as he sees a lot of adds posted on his site. Right now airworthy
2 seaters would have taken a big leap with the L13 deal.

[Frank Whiteley]

On Sep 19, 3:41*pm, Walt Connelly <Walt.Connelly.
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> I was wondering if there was a blue book of sorts for used gliders? *
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> Walt
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> Walt Connelly

Look at some online listings and look at the asking prices. Soaring
is a international activity, the sailplane market is international.
Here are a few classifieds listings.

http://www.wingsandwheels.com/wantads1.htm
http://www.ssa.org/magazine/classifieds.asp including the Soaring
archives to see something of a price history, since you're a member
http://sites.google.com/site/soaringclassifieds/Home/sailplanes-motorgliders
http://www.sac.ca/index.php?option=com_adsmanager&Itemid=84
http://www.planeur.net/index.php?option=com_adsmanager&page=show_category&catid=1&text_search=&order=0&expand=0&Itemid=170
http://www.segelflug.de/classifieds/
http://adverts.gliderpilot.net/?op=s2
http://www.gliding.co.nz/classified/classified-ads
http://www.gfa.org.au/imis15/GFA/MemberServices/Soaring_Australia/Classifieds/GFA/Member_Services_Content/Classified.aspx?hkey=935e32e5-9f9d-4659-b072-24a70ce3964d

[cernauta]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:41:32 +0000, Walt Connelly
> wrote:

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>I was wondering if there was a blue book of sorts for used gliders?

quite difficult to write, as the price i usually very dependent of
damage history, accessories, trailer, age, hours flown, instruments,
gadgets etc..

Just as an example, the total expense for acquiring a NEW sailplane
wit top equipment, incl. taxes, in Europe, is very close to 60% more
than the net price of the hull.
Clearly, if you skip on some accessories, or select those not at the
top of value, the total for a new glider varies considerably.

For a used glider, the variables are just too many. So, read carefully
the ads, and ask the seller the right questions.

Aldo

[Tim Mara]

I do see a lot of gliders change hands and essentially update the Wings &
Wheels Want-ads daily!
what many use as "selling" values are really not.but are the "Asking" prices
of gliders that have NOT been sold.....really, using someone else's asking
price as a standard or "selling" prices is of no value....if they were
"asking" the correct value then it stands to reason unless it is a very
unpopular type or a hard model to sell like "A" model S-H gliders that only
a mouse can fit it, big open class gliders or older big gliders and some
oddball types that few know much about, then it should get sold quickly and
therefore no longer be ON the Want-Ad's. Popular gliders advertised at the
correct values do get sold quickly and despite the lack luster economy
gliders are selling rather well as I see typically dozens change hands in
just a couple of weeks.
I have seen no trends to suggest that two seater gliders have suddenly
skyrocketed in values or popularity, the availability of any two seat glider
on the used market has been sufficiently scarce for quite some time so these
values have been already high for their relative new selling prices, their
age and condition.
But watch the Wings & Wheels Want-ads and look at the recently sold and
cancelled or expired ads and you will at lease have a good idea of what
glider types are and are not selling
best regards
Tim Mara
Wings & Wheels

Please visit the Wings & Wheels website at www.wingsandwheels.com

"ray conlon" > wrote in message
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On Sep 19, 5:41 pm, Walt Connelly <Walt.Connelly.
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> I was wondering if there was a blue book of sorts for used gliders?
>
> Walt
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> --
> Walt Connelly

Not that I have ever seen, Tim at wingsandwheels.com may have some
ideas as he sees a lot of adds posted on his site. Right now airworthy
2 seaters would have taken a big leap with the L13 deal.

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On Sep 19, 2:41*pm, Walt Connelly <Walt.Connelly.
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> I was wondering if there was a blue book of sorts for used gliders? *
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> Walt
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> Walt Connelly

There was a relative value of used gliders article floating around and
I suppose you can index it to a know today selling price to get a
rough idea.

I was an article geared towards first time owners and is probably a
little dated now since it does not mention gliders built beyond the
90's.

If you need something like that I might be able to dig it up.

It might have come from the Canadian soaring magazine free flight.

http://www.sac.ca/index.php?Itemid=26&id=18&option=com_content&task=view

Ray

[Mike the Strike]

Since most gliders are made in Europe, both their new and used prices
tend to follow the value of the Euro. If you live in Europe or a
related trading area, this makes it pretty simple. For the rest of
us, it's tougher. Some years ago, the Euro was trading at 0.7 or so
to the US dollar, it peaked around 1.5 and is now running around
1.25. The basic price of a new 15m sailplane here has thus varied
from around $40,000 to over $80,000 (plus trailer, instruments and
shipping).

In the USA, the price of second-hand gliders has tended to track the
Euro, but with a time lag and a lower amplitude. This has meant that
it sometimes pays Americans to buy used gliders from Europeans and
vice versa. The price of an older glider is also very dependent on
condition of the finish, damage history, quality of instruments and
the trailer. These can very often add up to 50% of the value of an
older ship and makes it hard to develop a "blue book" type of approach
that works so well for cars.

Mainstream brands whose manufacturers are still in business tend to
hold their value better and some "classic" gliders always seem to sell
well, despite their age. Some older ships that are notoriously heavy
or hard to rig also can be had more cheaply (ask me about my
Jantar-1!)

Mike

[Walt Connelly]

Thanks for all the advice. Seems somewhat complicated in many ways.

Walt