UK two-seater fleet

[James Thomson]

The threads on the Blanik AD and Club Training Gliders made me wonder about
the make-up of the UK fleet. A quick search of the UK civil register
produced the following numbers:
ASK13 101 aircraft
ASK21 73
Duo Discus 45
G103 29
Puchacz 27
DG500 22
K7 17
DG1000 10
Blanik L13 9 (plus one L23)
Bocian 8
PW-6 3

For information on other types, or more details on the above, go to the
G-INFO database at
http:/www.caa.co.uk

If you want information on antiques such as the T21 or the T49 Capstan you
will have to ask the BGA. These old aircraft are not on the main
register.

Note that not all these gliders are used for club training. Some,
notably recent high performance and elderly wooden ones, are privately
owned and are used for recreational flying only.

This may explain the UK views on training and the grounding of the Blaniks

[Frank Whiteley]

On Sep 21, 9:23*am, James Thomson
> wrote:
> The threads on the Blanik AD and Club Training Gliders made me wonder about
> the make-up of the UK fleet. * A quick search of the UK civil register
> produced the following numbers:
> ASK13 * 101 aircraft
> ASK21 * 73
> Duo Discus * 45
> G103 * 29
> Puchacz * 27
> DG500 * 22
> K7 * 17
> DG1000 * 10
> Blanik L13 * 9 (plus one L23)
> Bocian * 8
> PW-6 * 3
>
> For information on other types, or more details on the above, go to the
> G-INFO database at
> http:/www.caa.co.uk
>
> If you want information on antiques such as the T21 or the T49 Capstan you
> will have to ask the BGA. * These old aircraft are not on the main
> register.
>
> Note that not all these gliders are used for club training. * Some,
> notably recent high performance and elderly wooden ones, are privately
> owned and are used for recreational flying only.
>
> This may explain the UK views on training and the grounding of the Blaniks

Does this include or exclude the RAF clubs' gliders?

TIA,

Frank Whiteley

[James Thomson]

At 15:54 21 September 2010, Frank Whiteley wrote:
>On Sep 21, 9:23=A0am, James Thomson
> wrote:
>> The threads on the Blanik AD and Club Training Gliders made me wonder
>abo=
>ut
>> the make-up of the UK fleet. =A0 A quick search of the UK civil
register
>> produced the following numbers:
>> ASK13 =A0 101 aircraft
>> ASK21 =A0 73
>> Duo Discus =A0 45
>> G103 =A0 29
>> Puchacz =A0 27
>> DG500 =A0 22
>> K7 =A0 17
>> DG1000 =A0 10
>> Blanik L13 =A0 9 (plus one L23)
>> Bocian =A0 8
>> PW-6 =A0 3
>>
>> For information on other types, or more details on the above, go to
the
>> G-INFO database at
>> http:/www.caa.co.uk
>>
>> If you want information on antiques such as the T21 or the T49 Capstan
>yo=
>u
>> will have to ask the BGA. =A0 These old aircraft are not on the main
>> register.
>>
>> Note that not all these gliders are used for club training. =A0 Some,
>> notably recent high performance and elderly wooden ones, are privately
>> owned and are used for recreational flying only.
>>
>> This may explain the UK views on training and the grounding of the
>Blanik=
>s
>
>Does this include or exclude the RAF clubs' gliders?
>
>TIA,
>
>Frank Whiteley
>

It appears to include all the RAFGSA aircraft, these had previously been
added to the BGA register. It does not include the G103s etc used by the
Air Cadets - they carry military markings.

[Don Johnstone[_4_]]

At 15:54 21 September 2010, Frank Whiteley wrote:
>On Sep 21, 9:23=A0am, James Thomson
> wrote:
>> The threads on the Blanik AD and Club Training Gliders made me wonder
>abo=
>ut
>> the make-up of the UK fleet. =A0 A quick search of the UK civil
register
>> produced the following numbers:
>> ASK13 =A0 101 aircraft
>> ASK21 =A0 73
>> Duo Discus =A0 45
>> G103 =A0 29
>> Puchacz =A0 27
>> DG500 =A0 22
>> K7 =A0 17
>> DG1000 =A0 10
>> Blanik L13 =A0 9 (plus one L23)
>> Bocian =A0 8
>> PW-6 =A0 3
>>
>> For information on other types, or more details on the above, go to
the
>> G-INFO database at
>> http:/www.caa.co.uk
>>
>> If you want information on antiques such as the T21 or the T49 Capstan
>yo=
>u
>> will have to ask the BGA. =A0 These old aircraft are not on the main
>> register.
>>
>> Note that not all these gliders are used for club training. =A0 Some,
>> notably recent high performance and elderly wooden ones, are privately
>> owned and are used for recreational flying only.
>>
>> This may explain the UK views on training and the grounding of the
>Blanik=
>s
>
>Does this include or exclude the RAF clubs' gliders?
>
>TIA,
>
>Frank Whiteley

It includes gliders used by the Royal Air Force Gliding and Soaring
Association but does not include approx 90 Grob 103 Acros operated by the
RAF for the Air Cadets. The latter are outside the civil register
entirely.
The main 2 seat gliders used for training in the UK are:

ASK21
Grob 103
ASK13
Puchacz

the others mentioned above are used and in addition there are a few
Slingsby T53 (YS53) tin birds in private hands. As far as the UK is
concerned the loss of the Blanik is not a problem.
I have heard the view expressed over here, by those who should know, that
the chances of a fix for the Blanik being approved are pretty remote.

[Bruce Hoult]

On Sep 22, 3:23*am, James Thomson
> wrote:
> The threads on the Blanik AD and Club Training Gliders made me wonder about
> the make-up of the UK fleet. * A quick search of the UK civil register
> produced the following numbers:
> ASK13 * 101 aircraft
> ASK21 * 73
> Duo Discus * 45
> G103 * 29
> Puchacz * 27
> DG500 * 22
> K7 * 17
> DG1000 * 10
> Blanik L13 * 9 (plus one L23)
> Bocian * 8
> PW-6 * 3

NZ looks a bit different:

Blanik: 11
Grob G103(A): 10
Duo Discus: 11
ASH25: 8
Grob Twin Astir: 7
ASK13: 6
K7: 5
Janus: 5
DG-1000: 3
Puchacz: 3
ASK21: 2
PW-6: 2
Stemme: 2
Grob G109: 2
DG500: 1


By far the most numerous are the various flavours of Grobs, followed
by Blanik and Duo.

A lot (all?) of the Duos are privately owned or used for commercial
rides not training.

The DG1000s are all club owned and used for training, as of course are
most or all of the K7, ASK13, Blanik and Grobs.

[Darryl Ramm]

On Sep 21, 7:06*pm, Bruce Hoult > wrote:
> On Sep 22, 3:23*am, James Thomson
>
> > wrote:
> > The threads on the Blanik AD and Club Training Gliders made me wonder about
> > the make-up of the UK fleet. * A quick search of the UK civil register
> > produced the following numbers:
> > ASK13 * 101 aircraft
> > ASK21 * 73
> > Duo Discus * 45
> > G103 * 29
> > Puchacz * 27
> > DG500 * 22
> > K7 * 17
> > DG1000 * 10
> > Blanik L13 * 9 (plus one L23)
> > Bocian * 8
> > PW-6 * 3
>
> NZ looks a bit different:
>
> Blanik: 11
> Grob G103(A): 10
> Duo Discus: 11
> ASH25: 8
> Grob Twin Astir: 7
> ASK13: 6
> K7: 5
> Janus: 5
> DG-1000: 3
> Puchacz: 3
> ASK21: 2
> PW-6: 2
> Stemme: 2
> Grob G109: 2
> DG500: 1
>
> By far the most numerous are the various flavours of Grobs, followed
> by Blanik and Duo.
>
> A lot (all?) of the Duos are privately owned or used for commercial
> rides not training.
>
> The DG1000s are all club owned and used for training, as of course are
> most or all of the K7, ASK13, Blanik and Grobs.

I believe the largest single fleet of Duo in the world is at Glide
Omarama (6 according to their web site and add in a ASH-25 and other
more mundane gliders) and I'd count all those as for training -
advanced XC not primary, but its training.

Darryl

[Ventus_a]

On Sep 22, 3:23*am, James Thomson
wrote:
The threads on the Blanik AD and Club Training Gliders made me wonder about
the make-up of the UK fleet. * A quick search of the UK civil register
produced the following numbers:
ASK13 * 101 aircraft
ASK21 * 73
Duo Discus * 45
G103 * 29
Puchacz * 27
DG500 * 22
K7 * 17
DG1000 * 10
Blanik L13 * 9 (plus one L23)
Bocian * 8
PW-6 * 3

NZ looks a bit different:

Blanik: 11
Grob G103(A): 10
Duo Discus: 11
ASH25: 8
Grob Twin Astir: 7
ASK13: 6
K7: 5
Janus: 5
DG-1000: 3
Puchacz: 3
ASK21: 2
PW-6: 2
Stemme: 2
Grob G109: 2
DG500: 1


By far the most numerous are the various flavours of Grobs, followed
by Blanik and Duo.

A lot (all?) of the Duos are privately owned or used for commercial
rides not training.

The DG1000s are all club owned and used for training, as of course are
most or all of the K7, ASK13, Blanik and Grobs.

Make that 4 Janus. One was totalled a while ago. Pilot and passenger essentially walked away. Left a wing up a tree and fuse went between trees. Doubtful that it will be fixed to my mind.

Add a Nimbus 3d to the list. To be used for advanced X/C traing

Colin

[libelle40]

On 22/09/2010 01:23, James Thomson wrote:
> The threads on the Blanik AD and Club Training Gliders made me wonder about
> the make-up of the UK fleet. A quick search of the UK civil register
> produced the following numbers:
> ASK13 101 aircraft
> ASK21 73
> Duo Discus 45
> G103 29
> Puchacz 27
> DG500 22
> K7 17
> DG1000 10
> Blanik L13 9 (plus one L23)
> Bocian 8
> PW-6 3
>
> This may explain the UK views on training and the grounding of the Blaniks

The Oz figures, from a similar quick look are:
Blanik 60
Grob 103 27
IS-28 21
K7 15
K21 15
Puchacz 12
Janus 12
Duo Discus 12
K13 10
KR-03 6
Bocian 6
Orion 4
Bergfalke 4
DG-1000 3
PW-6 2
SGU 2-22 1

This may explain our view about the grounding of Blaniks.

Few of the K7s, Bocian and Duo are used for training.

GC