Weather maps on the cockpit PDA?

[Matt Herron Jr.]

I fly with WinPilot Adv. on my PDA. It provides a color topo map that
you can turn on or off, but I mostly leave it off, as it clutters the
screen, slows down the PDA, and doesn't add much value.

Wouldn't it be great if you could load today's weather from Dr. Jack
in place of the topo map? Waypoints, final glide, etc would work as
normal, but at the push of a button, you could see where you were
relative to convergence at 3:00PM, or winds aloft, or BL Top. I
imagine the situation with SeeYou is similar.

I think the Topo maps are vector based, and I know Dr. Jack's software
provides a matrix of data points that could be converted to vector
format. Then it would be just a matter of x-fering it to the PDA
before the flight. If you wanted the real terrain map, it's not too
much trouble to switch back in flight.

Perhaps the map maker could even be web based. Anyone with the right
talents interested?

Matt

[Max Kellermann]

Matt Herron Jr. > wrote:
> Wouldn't it be great if you could load today's weather from Dr. Jack
> in place of the topo map? Waypoints, final glide, etc would work as
> normal, but at the push of a button, you could see where you were
> relative to convergence at 3:00PM, or winds aloft, or BL Top. I
> imagine the situation with SeeYou is similar.

XCSoar can show RASP images instead of Terrain. You need a RASP
provider which offers the file xcsoar-rasp.dat. Drop it into
XCSoarData, and configure which one to show in the "Weather"
configuration at any time.

[Matt Herron Jr.]

On Oct 3, 9:54*pm, Max Kellermann > wrote:
> Matt Herron Jr. > wrote:
>
> > Wouldn't it be great if you could load today's weather from Dr. Jack
> > in place of the topo map? *Waypoints, final glide, etc would work as
> > normal, but at the push of a button, you could see where you were
> > relative to convergence at 3:00PM, or winds aloft, or BL Top. I
> > imagine the situation with SeeYou is similar.
>
> XCSoar can show RASP images instead of Terrain. *You need a RASP
> provider which offers the file xcsoar-rasp.dat. *Drop it into
> XCSoarData, and configure which one to show in the "Weather"
> configuration at any time.

That sounds like what I want. Have you tried it? What was your
impression?

[Max Kellermann]

Matt Herron Jr. > wrote:
> That sounds like what I want. Have you tried it? What was your
> impression?

I'm kind of biased, I'm a XCSoar developer ;)

I don't use that feature. It may be useful for some, but I don't feel
it's useful for me.

Why don't you just give it a try, it's free!

[John Cochrane[_2_]]

On Oct 4, 12:21*am, Max Kellermann > wrote:
> Matt Herron Jr. > wrote:
>
> > That sounds like what I want. *Have you tried it? *What was your
> > impression?
>
> I'm kind of biased, I'm a XCSoar developer ;)
>
> I don't use that feature. *It may be useful for some, but I don't feel
> it's useful for me.
>
> Why don't you just give it a try, it's free!

A number of vendors sell satellite weather systems that feed to PDA
displays. Then you can get real-time visible satellite loop, very
useful for showing cu development, and radar loop -- very useful for
showing the development of thunderstorms. It costs some bit of money
and setup which is why I haven't implemented it -- and it's illegal in
US contests so far.Also, you'd need two PDAs to run programs like this
at the same time. It be lovely if our instrument designers included
a satellite weather feed into the soaring instrument, either as a
separate page or as background. I've been bugging clearnav about this
for a while, perhaps xcsoar wants to be first out of the gate with
it.Obviously, it takes a bit of work, but with the huge market for
soaring instruments, you'll certainly make millions from such a great
product.

John Cochrane

[Max Kellermann]

John Cochrane > wrote:
> It be lovely if our instrument designers included a satellite
> weather feed into the soaring instrument, either as a separate page
> or as background. I've been bugging clearnav about this for a while,
> perhaps xcsoar wants to be first out of the gate with it.Obviously,
> it takes a bit of work, but with the huge market for soaring
> instruments, you'll certainly make millions from such a great
> product.

No, we will definitely not make millions from XCSoar. XCSoar is free
software, we work on it in our leisure time. ;-)

If you want that feature in XCSoar, open a ticket for your feature
request in our bug database (http://www.xcsoar.org/trac/). Since
we're doing all that for free, we will not pay a subscription from our
own money - maybe somebody is willing to donate it?

An important question is: how do you get live weather data? Mobile
networks don't work during the flight most of the time.

Max

[Matt Herron Jr.]

On Oct 4, 7:13*am, Max Kellermann > wrote:
> John Cochrane > wrote:
> > It be lovely if our instrument designers included a satellite
> > weather feed into the soaring instrument, either as a separate page
> > or as background. I've been bugging clearnav about this for a while,
> > perhaps xcsoar wants to be first out of the gate with it.Obviously,
> > it takes a bit of work, but with the huge market for soaring
> > instruments, you'll certainly make millions from such a great
> > product.
>
> No, we will definitely not make millions from XCSoar. *XCSoar is free
> software, we work on it in our leisure time. *;-)
>
> If you want that feature in XCSoar, open a ticket for your feature
> request in our bug database (http://www.xcsoar.org/trac/). *Since
> we're doing all that for free, we will not pay a subscription from our
> own money - maybe somebody is willing to donate it?
>
> An important question is: how do you get live weather data? *Mobile
> networks don't work during the flight most of the time.
>
> Max

All I want is a "Dr Jack Moving Map" built into my existing PDA. No
live feeds needed. Max are there bay area providers of xcsoar-
rasp.dat files?

[Max Kellermann]

Matt Herron Jr. > wrote:
> All I want is a "Dr Jack Moving Map" built into my existing PDA. No
> live feeds needed. Max are there bay area providers of xcsoar-
> rasp.dat files?

I don't know; check the list on drjack.info, and if you don't find a
provider, ask the ones in your area to add the XCSoar script to their
servers.

Max

[flymaule]

If you do want live weather including precipitation, etc you will need
a subscription to one of the weather providers such as XM Weather.
Cost is about $32 per month for the weather subscription from XM--and
is paid direct to XM. It displays well on a PDA screen. Suggest you
look at www.controlvision.com to see the Anywhere Map layout.

Skip Guimond

[Kemp[_2_]]

Hey Matt,
I've been pulling up 1km satellite images on my iPhone when I have a
signal. Not the same reliability as XM sat, but it's free.

Kemp

[[email protected]]

Matt,
I am not sure if this reply will work. But, if it does, I wish to convey my sympathies. I worked with Matt Sr. on winch launching at Jacumba where he launched his LS-6. Later I participated in the winch experiment at Crazy Creek - just before the fire ruined everything. If this reaches you, my condolences on your loss. I remember Matt as a wonderful person. - Alasdar, CFIG..

[Wyll Surf Air]

XCSoar, SeeYou Mobile, and LX9xxx's can display weather forcasts frome Skysight in the cockpit. XCSoar has a beta version here for it
https://forum.xcsoar.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3227&start=75

SeeYou Mobil requires and current SeeYou subscription

And LX9xxx's need to have a the wifi module

[Alan Wilson]

On Monday, 10 August 2020 at 14:53:09 UTC+10, wrote:
> XCSoar, SeeYou Mobile, and LX9xxx's can display weather forcasts frome Skysight in the cockpit. XCSoar has a beta version here for it
> https://forum.xcsoar.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3227&start=75
>
> SeeYou Mobil requires and current SeeYou subscription
>
> And LX9xxx's need to have a the wifi module


Yes I agree the above with Skysite subscription etc . Yes the models may be updated, but I would be happy to load a 6 hour old forecast lift profile as a .XCM file into XCSoardata as below.

"Has anyone been able to download a .xcm file from Skysite or comparable weather prediction agencies and load it as a <Config, System, Site files, Map database > site file in XCSoar? Rather than displaying a visual representation of the land below, while gliding you could display a recent Skysite prediction of the best weather and lift rates on the XCSoar screen. [While actually gilding the "Map database' is simply outside the window]

Skysite has some great predictions of wave soaring patterns at altitude and some clubmembers have been gliding north and south along forecast wave patterns. Some use LX 8000 or Oudie.

Several of our flights at altitude can be seen at https://www.onlinecontest..org/olc-3.0/gliding/flightsOfAirfield.html?aa=BUNYA1&st=olcp&rt=olc&c=C0&sc=&sp=2020 Notice that in mid winter down under in Australia we are gliding more than 10,000’ AGL and achieving OLCspeeds toward 150 kmh for more than 400 km!

If the XCSoar team, Condor or open vario group or others has derived and loaded weather map .xcm into XCSoar I would appreciate some information or links so I can research this further."

Alan Wilson
Canberra Gliding Club
Australia

PS. I cannot access the above https://forum.xcsoar.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3227&start=75 is there a new beta somewhere?

[Dan Marotta]

Is it possible to download .XCM file from Skysight?Â* I'm looking but
can't find any way.

On 9/11/2020 12:29 AM, Alan Wilson wrote:
> On Monday, 10 August 2020 at 14:53:09 UTC+10, wrote:
>> XCSoar, SeeYou Mobile, and LX9xxx's can display weather forcasts frome Skysight in the cockpit. XCSoar has a beta version here for it
>> https://forum.xcsoar.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3227&start=75
>>
>> SeeYou Mobil requires and current SeeYou subscription
>>
>> And LX9xxx's need to have a the wifi module
>
> Yes I agree the above with Skysite subscription etc . Yes the models may be updated, but I would be happy to load a 6 hour old forecast lift profile as a .XCM file into XCSoardata as below.
>
> "Has anyone been able to download a .xcm file from Skysite or comparable weather prediction agencies and load it as a <Config, System, Site files, Map database > site file in XCSoar? Rather than displaying a visual representation of the land below, while gliding you could display a recent Skysite prediction of the best weather and lift rates on the XCSoar screen. [While actually gilding the "Map database' is simply outside the window]
>
> Skysite has some great predictions of wave soaring patterns at altitude and some clubmembers have been gliding north and south along forecast wave patterns. Some use LX 8000 or Oudie.
>
> Several of our flights at altitude can be seen at https://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-3.0/gliding/flightsOfAirfield.html?aa=BUNYA1&st=olcp&rt=olc&c=C0&sc=&sp=2020 Notice that in mid winter down under in Australia we are gliding more than 10,000’ AGL and achieving OLCspeeds toward 150 kmh for more than 400 km!
>
> If the XCSoar team, Condor or open vario group or others has derived and loaded weather map .xcm into XCSoar I would appreciate some information or links so I can research this further."
>
> Alan Wilson
> Canberra Gliding Club
> Australia
>
> PS. I cannot access the above https://forum.xcsoar.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3227&start=75 is there a new beta somewhere?

--
Dan, 5J

[Matthew Scutter[_2_]]

On Friday, 11 September 2020 at 5:27:48 pm UTC+2, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Is it possible to download .XCM file from Skysight? I'm looking but
> can't find any way.
> On 9/11/2020 12:29 AM, Alan Wilson wrote:
> > On Monday, 10 August 2020 at 14:53:09 UTC+10, wrote:
> >> XCSoar, SeeYou Mobile, and LX9xxx's can display weather forcasts frome Skysight in the cockpit. XCSoar has a beta version here for it
> >> https://forum.xcsoar.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3227&start=75
> >>
> >> SeeYou Mobil requires and current SeeYou subscription
> >>
> >> And LX9xxx's need to have a the wifi module
> >
> > Yes I agree the above with Skysite subscription etc . Yes the models may be updated, but I would be happy to load a 6 hour old forecast lift profile as a .XCM file into XCSoardata as below.
> >
> > "Has anyone been able to download a .xcm file from Skysite or comparable weather prediction agencies and load it as a <Config, System, Site files, Map database > site file in XCSoar? Rather than displaying a visual representation of the land below, while gliding you could display a recent Skysite prediction of the best weather and lift rates on the XCSoar screen. [While actually gilding the "Map database' is simply outside the window]
> >
> > Skysite has some great predictions of wave soaring patterns at altitude and some clubmembers have been gliding north and south along forecast wave patterns. Some use LX 8000 or Oudie.
> >
> > Several of our flights at altitude can be seen at https://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-3.0/gliding/flightsOfAirfield.html?aa=BUNYA1&st=olcp&rt=olc&c=C0&sc=&sp=2020 Notice that in mid winter down under in Australia we are gliding more than 10,000’ AGL and achieving OLCspeeds toward 150 kmh for more than 400 km!
> >
> > If the XCSoar team, Condor or open vario group or others has derived and loaded weather map .xcm into XCSoar I would appreciate some information or links so I can research this further."
> >
> > Alan Wilson
> > Canberra Gliding Club
> > Australia
> >
> > PS. I cannot access the above https://forum.xcsoar.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3227&start=75 is there a new beta somewhere?
> --
> Dan, 5J

It's not possible. The only solution is a proper XCSoar/SkySight integration, of which there's a few parallel efforts including one that mostly works at https://forum.xcsoar.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3227&start=75