Correcting Poly-Brush mistake

[Craig Foster]

I applied the first coat of Poly-Brush on a little more than half of my
fuselage (experimental homebuilt) before I realized I had not stirred the
can of Poly-Brush before using. Once the contents from the bottom were
stirred up the coating was definitely a darker shade of pink. Is this going
to be a problem? If so, should I perhaps spray an extra Poly-Brush coat
when the time comes? I suspect applying a second brush coat would leave
visible brush marks.

[Larry Smith]

Not a big mistake. Brush on another thinned coat where you put it on too
thin. The pink color is to let you know when you have more or less
uniformly filled the weave. No need to spray on an extra coat. Brush
marks will all come out with the iron, which melts the vinyl-based
Poly-Brush and causes it to flow out into the weave. If you'll notice the
manual calls for using the iron as much as you can to smooth out the coat so
you don't have to do so much sanding after you've gotten the aluminum-flake
Poly-Spray on. Matter of fact judicious use of the iron gives you more
help than sanding the Poly-Spray for that nice smooth fabric job.

I'm envious of you. I enjoy covering a ragwing airplane.

"Craig Foster" > wrote in message
news:RCxub.237905$HS4.2047882@attbi_s01...
> I applied the first coat of Poly-Brush on a little more than half of my
> fuselage (experimental homebuilt) before I realized I had not stirred the
> can of Poly-Brush before using. Once the contents from the bottom were
> stirred up the coating was definitely a darker shade of pink. Is this
going
> to be a problem? If so, should I perhaps spray an extra Poly-Brush coat
> when the time comes? I suspect applying a second brush coat would leave
> visible brush marks.
>
>

[dale]

WRONG! WRONG!WRONG!

Read the manual again several times. Ironing is all done before you put on
the Poly Brush. The only ironing done after the Poly Brush is to the pinked
edges of the tapes. Put that iron out in the middle of the fabric and it
will melt the Poly Brush leaving marks in it. Brush marks are leveled out by
the spray coats of Poly Brush and Poly Spray which is last.

Correct on the pink. The pink tint is only there so you can see where you
have been and is not recommended inside the cockpit unless it is painted.

[Larry Smith]

"dale" > wrote in message ...
> WRONG! WRONG!WRONG!

You forgot to turn your gd iron down. Go watch some of the pros do it,
amateur. A high spot won't come down by spraying over it. It is done
deftly, gingerly --- not hamfistedly like you. One calibrates the iron to
soften, not to melt.

>
> Read the manual again several times. Ironing is all done before you put on
> the Poly Brush. The only ironing done after the Poly Brush is to the
pinked
> edges of the tapes. Put that iron out in the middle of the fabric and it
> will melt the Poly Brush leaving marks in it. Brush marks are leveled out
by
> the spray coats of Poly Brush and Poly Spray which is last.
>
> Correct on the pink. The pink tint is only there so you can see where you
> have been and is not recommended inside the cockpit unless it is painted.
>
>

[O-ring Seals]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:50:08 -0600, "dale" > wrote:

>WRONG! WRONG!WRONG!
>
>Read the manual again several times. Ironing is all done before you put on
>the Poly Brush. The only ironing done after the Poly Brush is to the pinked
>edges of the tapes. Put that iron out in the middle of the fabric and it
>will melt the Poly Brush leaving marks in it. Brush marks are leveled out by
>the spray coats of Poly Brush and Poly Spray which is last.
>
>Correct on the pink. The pink tint is only there so you can see where you
>have been and is not recommended inside the cockpit unless it is painted.
>
>
Dale,

I am in agreement with you. Larry's follow-up is absurd. The iron
properly used on the tapes will save many hours of sanding. And, the
Poly Fiber materials do not sand worth a ****. Above all else, keep
the iron off the open areas once the coatings have been applied. It
is obvious that Larry does not have much experience with fabric work,
or he does not have very high standards.

BTW, the stuff in the bottom of the Poly Brush can is, for the most
part, the fire retardant component. It is good to have the proper
amount on the airplane. I know for a fact that it saved an airplane
that I owned a few years ago.

I had a face to face chat with Ray Stits after that incident. He told
me that at the time he was developing the Poly Fiber process he was
also selling plans for airplanes that could be taken home (Playmate
etc.) and stored in the garage. He said that he would not provide a
covering process that would support combustion.

I have put a flame to strips of finished Ceconite removed from
airplanes (nitrate dope is used for the first coat) and I must say
that the material burns quite nicely.

O-ring Seals

[Larry Smith]

"O-ring Seals" > wrote in message
...


Hey, loud mouth, look at pages 52 and 53 of the Poly Fiber Manual, and then
maybe you'll learn not to open your loud mouth. The chapter is entitled
"Heat Smoothing."

You and the other idiot can retract what you have said or I'll type in the
chapter, word for word.

[Larry Smith]

"dale" > wrote in message ...
> WRONG! WRONG!WRONG!

That's right. You A R E wrong, wrong, wrong.

>
> Read the manual again several times.

If he read it once, that's more than you've read it.


Ironing is all done before you put on
> the Poly Brush. The only ironing done after the Poly Brush is to the
pinked
> edges of the tapes. Put that iron out in the middle of the fabric and it
> will melt the Poly Brush leaving marks in it. Brush marks are leveled out
by
> the spray coats of Poly Brush and Poly Spray which is last.

You are not reading from the Polyfiber manual, then.

>
> Correct on the pink. The pink tint is only there so you can see where you
> have been and is not recommended inside the cockpit unless it is painted.
>
>

This is another one who probably did his last cover job --- a patch on a
hangarqueen wing --- in 1950. Get thee to a manual and read pages 52 and
53 --- "Heat Smoothing."

[Larry Smith]

"O-ring Seals" > wrote in message
...
[blahblahblah bs snipped]
> I had a face to face chat with Ray Stits after that incident.

Now THAT is impressive. He knows Ray personally. Our hero.

He told
> me that at the time he was developing the Poly Fiber process he was
> also selling plans for airplanes that could be taken home (Playmate
> etc.) and stored in the garage. He said that he would not provide a
> covering process that would support combustion.

O save us, dear jayzuss, from the hucksters. Notice when Ray sets fire --
on his videotape they get $35 for and is more a shameless and devious
commercial than anything else -- to a ribbon of doped fabric and a ribbon of
his own with PolyBrush on it, it hasn't yet been painted with aluminum flake
OR Aerothane paint, both of which can burn like hell.

The first picture I get of a Stits-covered airplane burnt into a krispy
kritter, I'm going to put it up in a binary group for display. And don't
forget the gasoline accelerant, there, dingaling.

O-wingdingaling, if you don't think vinyl (as well as the explosive aluminum
powder and polyurethane) will burn violently and outgas some vile toxins,
you ought to have your big ears pulled.

>
> I have put a flame to strips of finished Ceconite removed from
> airplanes (nitrate dope is used for the first coat) and I must say
> that the material burns quite nicely.

Yes, but have you put a flame to strips of finished Stits or Polyfiber, in
order to see that it burns quite nicely?

[dale]

Mr. Smith I stand by what I said. Smoothing is using the iron to smooth the
Poly Tak underneath the fabric and before any Poly Brush has been put on.
Once Poly Brush has been applied the iron is only used on the pinked edges
of the tapes.
Dale
PS Don't be so ugly.

"Larry Smith" > wrote in message
...
>
> "dale" > wrote in message ...
> > WRONG! WRONG!WRONG!
>
> That's right. You A R E wrong, wrong, wrong.
>
> >
> > Read the manual again several times.
>
> If he read it once, that's more than you've read it.
>
>
> Ironing is all done before you put on
> > the Poly Brush. The only ironing done after the Poly Brush is to the
> pinked
> > edges of the tapes. Put that iron out in the middle of the fabric and it
> > will melt the Poly Brush leaving marks in it. Brush marks are leveled
out
> by
> > the spray coats of Poly Brush and Poly Spray which is last.
>
> You are not reading from the Polyfiber manual, then.
>
> >
> > Correct on the pink. The pink tint is only there so you can see where
you
> > have been and is not recommended inside the cockpit unless it is
painted.
> >
> >
>
> This is another one who probably did his last cover job --- a patch on a
> hangarqueen wing --- in 1950. Get thee to a manual and read pages 52 and
> 53 --- "Heat Smoothing."
>
>

[[email protected]]

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:05:48 -0600, "dale" > wrote:

:PS Don't be so ugly.

It's not like he has a choice.

Latchless Larry... What a maroon.

[Larry Smith]

"dale" > wrote in message ...
> Mr. Smith I stand by what I said. Smoothing is using the iron to smooth
the
> Poly Tak underneath the fabric and before any Poly Brush has been put on.
> Once Poly Brush has been applied the iron is only used on the pinked edges
> of the tapes.
> Dale
> PS Don't be so ugly.

FO.
>

Read, if you are capable, (which is in doubt) the key sentence in the "Heat
Smoothing" chapter. It says, "The iron's heat replaces most of the
sanding." Now if you're also capable of understanding (which is also a
matter of considerable doubt) that this chapter comes along in chronological
order AFTER a coat of Poly-Brush, could you not admit that the irons may be
used to smooth out the coat of Poly-Brush. I doubt it, but at least the
poor guy you have gravely misled can know where to find the correct
procedure for smoothing the Poly-Brush before he goes to the Poly-Spray.

O-Ring the Dingaling claims he's an IA. What the hell you do you claim to
be? (Other than someone with a head as hard and thick as adamantine stone?)

[Ed Sullivan]

"Larry Smith" > wrote in message >...
> "dale" > wrote in message ...
> > Mr. Smith I stand by what I said. Smoothing is using the iron to smooth
> the
> > Poly Tak underneath the fabric and before any Poly Brush has been put on.
> > Once Poly Brush has been applied the iron is only used on the pinked edges
> > of the tapes.
> > Dale
> > PS Don't be so ugly.
>
> FO.
> >
>
> Read, if you are capable, (which is in doubt) the key sentence in the "Heat
> Smoothing" chapter. It says, "The iron's heat replaces most of the
> sanding." Now if you're also capable of understanding (which is also a
> matter of considerable doubt) that this chapter comes along in chronological
> order AFTER a coat of Poly-Brush, could you not admit that the irons may be
> used to smooth out the coat of Poly-Brush. I doubt it, but at least the
> poor guy you have gravely misled can know where to find the correct
> procedure for smoothing the Poly-Brush before he goes to the Poly-Spray.
>
> O-Ring the Dingaling claims he's an IA. What the hell you do you claim to
> be? (Other than someone with a head as hard and thick as adamantine stone?)

O-Ring has restored two Grand Champion Aircraft, one a fabric
covered Bellanca and the other a Cessna 310. He operates a highly
thought of Restoration shop. What the **** have you accomplished.

[Larry Smith]

"Ed Sullivan" > wrote in message [...]
> O-Ring has restored two Grand Champion Aircraft, one a fabric
> covered Bellanca and the other a Cessna 310. He operates a highly
> thought of Restoration shop. What the **** have you accomplished.

Well, then, I congratulate him and suggest he read the latest Polyfiber
manual on heat smoothing.

Oooh, I'm impressed, and equally impressed with you too as his spicy press
agent. Grand champeen may mean he knows how to manipulate EAA politics like
Col. So-and-So here (a WWII fighter ace) who didn't build the airplane but
put his name on it and received GC at Oshkosh. He loves to tell the story
about it, btw, and sardonically horselaughs about pulling one over on them
at Osh. We ALL get a good horselaugh about it, Eddie.

When I work on an airplane I don't do it to be a show-ass. I do it for
safety, modest aesthetics, and durability. If you read the Poly-Fiber
manual you would know that Oringdingaling went out on a limb in this thread
and it broke with him.

[Larry Smith]

"Ed Sullivan" > wrote in message
om...
> "Larry Smith" > wrote in message
>...
> [...]
> O-Ring has restored two Grand Champion Aircraft, one a fabric
> covered Bellanca and the other a Cessna 310. He operates a highly
> thought of Restoration shop. What the **** have you accomplished.

Name the shop and the events where he stole the GC awards so we who now know
him as a huckster can laugh up our sleeves at them.

[[email protected]]

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:27:22 -0500, "Larry Smith"
> wrote:

:
:"Ed Sullivan" > wrote in message
. com...
:> "Larry Smith" > wrote in message
>...
:> [...]
:> O-Ring has restored two Grand Champion Aircraft, one a fabric
:> covered Bellanca and the other a Cessna 310. He operates a highly
:> thought of Restoration shop. What the **** have you accomplished.
:
:Name the shop and the events where he stole the GC awards so we who now know
:him as a huckster can laugh up our sleeves at them.
:
It's just a little one at the end of July in Wisconsin. You probably
haven't ever heard of it.

[Jimmy Galvin]

You fellows have it in for Larry and maybe deservedly so but he is right on
this. In the current Poly Fiber Manual Rev. No. 20 July 2001 in the left
column of page 52 the second paragraph from the bottom states: "Dried vinyl
products, like Poly-Brush and Poly-Tak, start to soften at about 200
degrees. That means you can soften drips, glue bumps and runs at this
temperature. You can actually iron out a dried Poly-Brush drip, or you can
soften a lump of Poly-Tak under fabric, and iron it smooth."
"dale" > wrote in message ...
> Mr. Smith I stand by what I said. Smoothing is using the iron to smooth
the
> Poly Tak underneath the fabric and before any Poly Brush has been put on.
> Once Poly Brush has been applied the iron is only used on the pinked edges
> of the tapes.
> Dale
> PS Don't be so ugly.
>
> "Larry Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "dale" > wrote in message
...
> > > WRONG! WRONG!WRONG!
> >
> > That's right. You A R E wrong, wrong, wrong.
> >
> > >
> > > Read the manual again several times.
> >
> > If he read it once, that's more than you've read it.
> >
> >
> > Ironing is all done before you put on
> > > the Poly Brush. The only ironing done after the Poly Brush is to the
> > pinked
> > > edges of the tapes. Put that iron out in the middle of the fabric and
it
> > > will melt the Poly Brush leaving marks in it. Brush marks are leveled
> out
> > by
> > > the spray coats of Poly Brush and Poly Spray which is last.
> >
> > You are not reading from the Polyfiber manual, then.
> >
> > >
> > > Correct on the pink. The pink tint is only there so you can see where
> you
> > > have been and is not recommended inside the cockpit unless it is
> painted.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > This is another one who probably did his last cover job --- a patch on a
> > hangarqueen wing --- in 1950. Get thee to a manual and read pages 52
and
> > 53 --- "Heat Smoothing."
> >
> >
>
>

[Bob Kuykendall]

Earlier, "Larry Smith" > wrote:

> ...so we who now know him as a huckster
> can laugh up our sleeves at them.

Larry, you sounded like a nice enough guy when I talked to you on the
phone. I didn't at all mind sending your friend those long rivets for
free for his push-pull tubes. But this thread suggests to me that you
take way too much pleasure in personal attacks and pointless
put-downs. From here on out I've pretty much written you off.

Thanks, and best regards

Bob K.
http://www.hpaircraft.com

[Larry Smith]

"Bob Kuykendall" > wrote in message
om...
> Earlier, "Larry Smith" > wrote:
>
> > ...so we who now know him as a huckster
> > can laugh up our sleeves at them.
>
> Larry, you sounded like a nice enough guy when I talked to you on the
> phone. I didn't at all mind sending your friend those long rivets for
> free for his push-pull tubes. But this thread suggests to me that you
> take way too much pleasure in personal attacks and pointless
> put-downs. From here on out I've pretty much written you off.
>
> Thanks, and best regards
>
> Bob K.
> http://www.hpaircraft.com

Here is the thread:


1 Craig Foster Nov 18, 2003
\-2 Larry Smith Nov 18, 2003
\-3 dale Nov 18, 2003
|-4 Larry Smith Nov 19, 2003
|-5 O-ring Seals Nov 19, 2003
| |-6 Larry Smith Nov 19, 2003
| \-7 Larry Smith Nov 19, 2003
\-8 Larry Smith Nov 19, 2003
\-9 dale Nov 19, 2003
|-10 Nov 19, 2003
\-11 Larry Smith Nov 19, 2003
\-12 Ed Sullivan

Who attacked whom? I counterattacked when two jumped in with personal
insults after I had given Craig Foster good information by the book and
referred him to the manual. Oh, and by the way, both of the gratuitous
personal attackers gave advice which directly contradicted the current
Poly-Fiber manual. Neither of them is man enough to admit he is wrong.

As for my friend in Highlands he told me he had invited you to his
promontory home, which is quite beautiful and hospitable. If you feel like
you were had on the rivets, let me know the cost and I'll be glad to pay
you.

If you will take accurate notice, I don't gratuitously attack ANYONE. But
I'll readily counterattack, especially when the provocateur is as off-base
as these two --- and their toadies.

[wmbjk]

Larry Smith wrote:
>
> If you will take accurate notice, I don't gratuitously attack ANYONE.
> But I'll readily counterattack,

Ahh, so when you posted dozens of insults at NG, its owner and
employees, over some latches you couldn't purchase, that wasn't an
attack? The mind boggles.

Wayne

[- Barnyard BOb -]

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:31:37 -0500, "Larry Smith"
> wrote:


>If you will take accurate notice, I don't gratuitously attack ANYONE. But
>I'll readily counterattack, especially when the provocateur is as off-base
>as these two --- and their toadies.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

<Sigh>

Even *I* could inform you where you are going awry --
with both chips tied behind my shoulders. <g>

Sadly, we both can cipher the futility of that, can't we?
At times, train wrecks are just destined to happen --
no matter what.


Barnyard BOb -- Union Pacific RR - retired

The more people I meet,
the more I love my dog...
and George Carlin humor.

[Morgans]

"Bob Kuykendall" > wrote in message
om...
> Earlier, "Larry Smith" > wrote:
>
> > ...so we who now know him as a huckster
> > can laugh up our sleeves at them.
>
> Larry, you sounded like a nice enough guy when I talked to you on the
> phone. I didn't at all mind sending your friend those long rivets for
> free for his push-pull tubes. But this thread suggests to me that you
> take way too much pleasure in personal attacks and pointless
> put-downs. From here on out I've pretty much written you off.
>
> Thanks, and best regards
>
> Bob K.
> http://www.hpaircraft.com

You took long enough! <g> Most of us wrote him off long ago.
--
Jim in NC

[Larry Smith]

> wrote in message ...
> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:27:22 -0500, "Larry Smith"
> > wrote:
>
> :
> :"Ed Sullivan" > wrote in message
> . com...
> :> "Larry Smith" > wrote in message
> >...
> :> [...]
> :> O-Ring has restored two Grand Champion Aircraft

Where and which year? And where are the airplanes so that they may be seen
and inspected?

, one a fabric
> :> covered Bellanca and the other a Cessna 310. He operates a highly
> :> thought of Restoration shop.

Where?


What the **** [eloquent guy] have you accomplished. [You forgot the
exclamation point, or question mark.]
> :
> :Name the shop and the events where he stole the GC awards so we who now
know
> :him as a huckster can laugh up our sleeves at them.
> :
> It's just a little one at the end of July in Wisconsin. You probably
> haven't ever heard of it.

Which years? Presumably you can look them up at the EAA website. I tried
to enter with my number but was denied because cookies were not enabled.
Not worth enabling cookies for.
********************

See Leroy on p. 52 of the current Poly-Fiber manual. Is that dale or ORS?

[[email protected]]

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:07:39 GMT, (O-ring
Seals) wrote:

:On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:39:56 -0500, "Larry Smith"
> wrote:
:
:
:>O-Ring the Dingaling claims he's an IA.
:
:Larry,
:
:Go Fish!
:
:O-ring
:
:Robert G. Seals
:COMM ASMEL, Glider. Instrument Airplane.
:CFI Airplane, Glider (exp.).
:A and P / IA
:Proprietor: Vintage Aviation
: Selma Airdrome, CA (0Q4)
:A Hired Gun
:AA, BA, BS(er), MS
:Owner C310G N8965Z
:Senior Inspector, BATF (ret.)

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/5511/

Scroll down to the first red airplane.

[O-ring Seals]

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:39:56 -0500, "Larry Smith"
> wrote:


>O-Ring the Dingaling claims he's an IA.

Larry,

Go Fish!

O-ring

Robert G. Seals
COMM ASMEL, Glider. Instrument Airplane.
CFI Airplane, Glider (exp.).
A and P / IA
Proprietor: Vintage Aviation
Selma Airdrome, CA (0Q4)
A Hired Gun
AA, BA, BS(er), MS
Owner C310G N8965Z
Senior Inspector, BATF (ret.)

[Larry Smith]

"O-ring Seals" <vintageav Selma Airdrome, CA (0Q4)
> A Hired Gun

yawn
> AA, BA, BS(er), MS
yawn
> Owner C310G N8965Z
> Senior Inspector, BATF (ret.)
Were you one of the dogkiller cowboys at Ruby Ridge?

Too cheap to buy a manual?

[Larry Smith]

> wrote in message ...
> On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:07:39 GMT, (O-ring
> Seals) wrote:
>
> :On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:39:56 -0500, "Larry Smith"
> > wrote:
> :
> :
> :>O-Ring the Dingaling claims he's an IA.
> :
> :Larry,
> :
> :Go Fish!
> :
> :O-ring
> :
> :Robert G. Seals
> :COMM ASMEL, Glider. Instrument Airplane.
> :CFI Airplane, Glider (exp.).
> :A and P / IA
> :Proprietor: Vintage Aviation
> : Selma Airdrome, CA (0Q4)
> :A Hired Gun
> :AA, BA, BS(er), MS
> :Owner C310G N8965Z
> :Senior Inspector, BATF (ret.)
>
> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/5511/
>
> Scroll down to the first red airplane.

404

Jack of all trades; master of none.

[Ben Sego]

Larry Smith wrote:
>>http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/5511/
>>
>>Scroll down to the first red airplane.
>
>
> 404
>
> Jack of all trades; master of none.

Larry,
The link works for me from a couple of different browsers. Nice airplane.

B.S.

[John Ammeter]

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:33:07 -0500, "Larry Smith"
> wrote:

>
>"O-ring Seals" <vintageav Selma Airdrome, CA (0Q4)
>> A Hired Gun
>
>yawn
>> AA, BA, BS(er), MS
>yawn
>> Owner C310G N8965Z
>> Senior Inspector, BATF (ret.)
>Were you one of the dogkiller cowboys at Ruby Ridge?
>
>Too cheap to buy a manual?
>

Larry......

Do you really thing O'ring cares what you think?? I've
known him for several years, been to his shop in Selma and
seen his immaculate restored airplane. I've also seen what
a perfectionist he is. He has the same intensity towards
aircraft that he does towards fermenting wines and he's an
award winner at that, too.

Please, tell us the awards you've earned. The accolades
you've earned.

Show me you deserve to be believed. So far, you've failed
miserably in that endeavor.

John

[Ben Sego]

Larry Smith wrote:
> "O-ring Seals" <vintageav Selma Airdrome, CA (0Q4)
>>Senior Inspector, BATF (ret.)
>
> Were you one of the dogkiller cowboys at Ruby Ridge?

Inspectors aren't agents. (Regulatory versus enforcement issue, that.)
Ruby ridge was US Marshals, FBI Crisis Rescue Team. ATF agents (not
inspectors) recommended prosecution of Weaver on weapons charges and
also attempted to arrange an informant deal, before the seige ensued.

B.S.

[Rich S.]

"John Ammeter" > wrote in message
...
> Larry......
>
> Do you really thing O'ring cares what you think?? I've
> known him for several years, been to his shop in Selma and
> seen his immaculate restored airplane. I've also seen what
> a perfectionist he is. He has the same intensity towards
> aircraft that he does towards fermenting wines and he's an
> award winner at that, too.
>
> Please, tell us the awards you've earned. The accolades
> you've earned.
>
> Show me you deserve to be believed. So far, you've failed
> miserably in that endeavor.
>
> John

He's a damn fine oyster cook, too.

Rich S.

[- Barnyard BOb -]

>"John Ammeter" wrote:
m...
>> Larry......
>>
>> Do you really thing O'ring cares what you think?? I've
>> known him for several years, been to his shop in Selma and
>> seen his immaculate restored airplane. I've also seen what
>> a perfectionist he is. He has the same intensity towards
>> aircraft that he does towards fermenting wines and he's an
>> award winner at that, too.
>>
>> Please, tell us the awards you've earned. The accolades
>> you've earned.
>>
>> Show me you deserve to be believed. So far, you've failed
>> miserably in that endeavor.
>>
>> John
>
>He's a damn fine oyster cook, too.
>
>Rich S.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yep --
Those oysters are a memory not soon forgotten....
along with the best salmon that ever met a palate.

Barnyard BOb - Arlington 2000

[Larry Smith]

"John Ammeter" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:33:07 -0500, "Larry Smith"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"O-ring Seals" <vintageav Selma Airdrome, CA (0Q4)
> >> A Hired Gun
> >
> >yawn
> >> AA, BA, BS(er), MS
> >yawn
> >> Owner C310G N8965Z
> >> Senior Inspector, BATF (ret.)
> >Were you one of the dogkiller cowboys at Ruby Ridge?
> >
> >Too cheap to buy a manual?
> >
>
> Larry......
>
> Do you really thing O'ring cares what you think?? I've
> known him for several years, been to his shop in Selma and
> seen his immaculate restored airplane. I've also seen what
> a perfectionist he is. He has the same intensity towards
> aircraft that he does towards fermenting wines and he's an
> award winner at that, too.
>
> Please, tell us the awards you've earned. The accolades
> you've earned.
>
> Show me you deserve to be believed. So far, you've failed
> miserably in that endeavor.
>
> John

John, you're trying to reframe the issue here. Sorry, but you can't do it.

Again, I gave the original poster in this thread good information, by the
book. Oring, about 20 thousandths short of a seal, came swaggering along
with a malicious attack and false information verifying he has neither read
the Poly-Fiber manual nor has any respect for accuracy.

So you and he now want to resurrect his credibility by waving greasy
parchments of his soporific little titles of nobility. (Mostly the kind
that genuine people don't pay much attention to.)

The fact that he has so many titles and is willing to flaunt them in a sort
of childish sandbox display to resurrect his credibility --- that just
aggravates the culpability of his first post in this thread. Poofery with
titles of rank -- especially mediocre ones like his -- only impresses the
superficial and the shallow anyway.

I tell you where my credibility is. It's in trying to give a decent answer
to a legitimate question by someone who asked for advice. He's building an
airplane and wanted a little help, which he didn't get from Oring.
Information for homebuilders is what RAH is about, or should be about.
That's all I gave in this thread until ad hominem attacks by two
ignoramuses. And then a swarm of their shallow, superficial toadies came
in with shifty weasel words like yours.

What do you want me to say, that Oring is right and I'm wrong? The issue
of the thread is whether you can use the iron to smooth imperfections in the
fabric after brushing with Poly-brush. Don't try to reframe it with
faux-aristocratic horse****.