Re: Oldest Operational Boeing 707?

[Vitaly Shmatikov]

In article >,
James Anatidae > wrote:

>I remember reading somewhere a couple years back that one of first couple of
>707's is still flying somewhere in the US, I think in Florida. I haven't
>been able to Google any info, so does anybody know the plane I'm taking
>about and if so is it still flying?

Are you thinking of N70700, Boeing's first 707 prototype (367-80,
aka Dash 80)? It's kept in Seattle and Boeing still flies it out for
airshows and such.

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?keywords=70700&keywrange=all

[Christopher]

N70700 is now in the Museum of Flight WA.
N707GE is still flying - owned and operated by General Electric [707 321F -
April 1960]
a couple of older models are with the Embassy of Saudi Arabia and the
Israeli Air Force [1959]


"Vitaly Shmatikov" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> James Anatidae > wrote:
>
> >I remember reading somewhere a couple years back that one of first couple
of
> >707's is still flying somewhere in the US, I think in Florida. I haven't
> >been able to Google any info, so does anybody know the plane I'm taking
> >about and if so is it still flying?
>
> Are you thinking of N70700, Boeing's first 707 prototype (367-80,
> aka Dash 80)? It's kept in Seattle and Boeing still flies it out for
> airshows and such.
>
>
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?keywords=70700&keywrange=all
>

[JMS]

Somewhat related by the Australian Air Force does still have at least 1 707
which is sometimes used by the Prime Minister. Unfortunately no Air Force 1
for the Aussie PM.

"James Anatidae" > wrote in message
...
> I remember reading somewhere a couple years back that one of first couple
of
> 707's is still flying somewhere in the US, I think in Florida. I haven't
> been able to Google any info, so does anybody know the plane I'm taking
> about and if so is it still flying?
>
> --
> Goliath & Wildwing's Storage Room
> http://anatidae.homestead.com/frontdoor.html
>
>

[JMS]

"Frank" > wrote in message
u...
>
> "JMS" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Somewhat related by the Australian Air Force does still have at least 1
> 707
> > which is sometimes used by the Prime Minister. Unfortunately no Air
Force
> 1
> > for the Aussie PM.
>
> The Pime Minister uses 2 Boeing BJ.
>
> Frank
>
Yes, I've seen these but it was only relatively recently (last 12months or
so) on a trip he made to Singapore I did see a 707 on the tarmac and could
only assume that he came in on that aircraft.

[Christopher]

The RAAF 707-368C (A20-261) is relatively recent having been built December
1976.



"JMS" > wrote in message
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> "Frank" > wrote in message
> u...
> >
> > "JMS" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Somewhat related by the Australian Air Force does still have at least
1
> > 707
> > > which is sometimes used by the Prime Minister. Unfortunately no Air
> Force
> > 1
> > > for the Aussie PM.
> >
> > The Pime Minister uses 2 Boeing BJ.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> Yes, I've seen these but it was only relatively recently (last 12months or
> so) on a trip he made to Singapore I did see a 707 on the tarmac and could
> only assume that he came in on that aircraft.
>
>

[Boxall's Accommodation]

"Frank" > wrote in message >...

<snip>
> The Pime Minister uses 2 Boeing BJ.
<snip>

John Howard looks more like a BJ man than Simon Crean!

[Christopher]

N707JT - built 1964 and has a stage 3 hushkit - wow


"Lou Minatti" > wrote in message
om...
> "James Anatidae" > wrote in message
>...
> > I remember reading somewhere a couple years back that one of first
couple of
> > 707's is still flying somewhere in the US, I think in Florida. I
haven't
> > been able to Google any info, so does anybody know the plane I'm taking
> > about and if so is it still flying?
>
> FWIW, John Ravolta owns and regularly flies a 707-138B.

[Robert Moore]

"James Anatidae" wrote
> I remember reading somewhere a couple years back that one of
> first couple of 707's is still flying somewhere in the US, I
> think in Florida. I haven't been able to Google any info, so
> does anybody know the plane I'm taking about and if so is it
> still flying?

I don't know if any of them are still flying, but as a flight
crewmember at PanAm, I logged a lot of flight time in four of
the first six B-707-121s. N-707PA--N712PA. N-708PA and
N-709PA had crashed before I joined the company in 1967.

Bob Moore
ATP B-707 B-727
PanAm (retired)

[Christopher]

N707PA - broken up in Miami 1988
N712PA - broken up Taipei 1984



"Robert Moore" > wrote in message
. 6...
> "James Anatidae" wrote
> > I remember reading somewhere a couple years back that one of
> > first couple of 707's is still flying somewhere in the US, I
> > think in Florida. I haven't been able to Google any info, so
> > does anybody know the plane I'm taking about and if so is it
> > still flying?
>
> I don't know if any of them are still flying, but as a flight
> crewmember at PanAm, I logged a lot of flight time in four of
> the first six B-707-121s. N-707PA--N712PA. N-708PA and
> N-709PA had crashed before I joined the company in 1967.
>
> Bob Moore
> ATP B-707 B-727
> PanAm (retired)

[Vitaly Shmatikov]

In article >,
Christopher > wrote:

>N70700 is now in the Museum of Flight WA.

But it's still flying every now and then. Go to www.airliners.net
and search for N70700. The most recent pictures are from August 2.

>N707GE is still flying - owned and operated by General Electric [707 321F -
>April 1960]

Nope, it hasn't flown for a while. Has been sitting at MHV for years.

>a couple of older models are with the Embassy of Saudi Arabia and the
>Israeli Air Force [1959]

These, too, are collecting dust on the ramp somewhere.

Are you getting your data from Bill Harms' jet aircraft census?
An excellent resource, but not 100% reliable.

[Christopher]

My data is not from Harms list - I thought he stopped his list last year or
even 2001 ?



"Vitaly Shmatikov" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Christopher > wrote:
>
> >N70700 is now in the Museum of Flight WA.
>
> But it's still flying every now and then. Go to www.airliners.net
> and search for N70700. The most recent pictures are from August 2.
>
> >N707GE is still flying - owned and operated by General Electric [707
321F -
> >April 1960]
>
> Nope, it hasn't flown for a while. Has been sitting at MHV for years.
>
> >a couple of older models are with the Embassy of Saudi Arabia and the
> >Israeli Air Force [1959]
>
> These, too, are collecting dust on the ramp somewhere.
>
> Are you getting your data from Bill Harms' jet aircraft census?
> An excellent resource, but not 100% reliable.
>

[Vitaly Shmatikov]

In article >,
Christopher > wrote:

>My data is not from Harms list - I thought he stopped his list last year or
>even 2001 ?

I'm just curious why you said N707GE is still flying. I thought GE
uses N747GE for engine testing these days, while N707GE doesn't fly
anymore, having been retired and conserved at Mojave.

[Tarver Engineering]

"James Anatidae" > wrote in message
...
> I remember reading somewhere a couple years back that one of first couple
of
> 707's is still flying somewhere in the US, I think in Florida. I haven't
> been able to Google any info, so does anybody know the plane I'm taking
> about and if so is it still flying?

I believe the australian CAA is still flying their 707.

[Pat Barry]

The Australian Air Force 707 aircraft were transformed into aerial fuel
tankers. The Air Force has a business jet fleet that it uses to transport the
Prime Minister, and has had for several years.

JMS wrote:

> Somewhat related by the Australian Air Force does still have at least 1 707
> which is sometimes used by the Prime Minister. Unfortunately no Air Force 1
> for the Aussie PM.
>
> "James Anatidae" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I remember reading somewhere a couple years back that one of first couple
> of
> > 707's is still flying somewhere in the US, I think in Florida. I haven't
> > been able to Google any info, so does anybody know the plane I'm taking
> > about and if so is it still flying?
> >
> > --
> > Goliath & Wildwing's Storage Room
> > http://anatidae.homestead.com/frontdoor.html
> >
> >

[Pat Barry]

The GE 707 I read just a week ago was at Mojave, but is being scrapped (eaten by
the muncher at Mojave) since the program that GE used it for is completed and
the plane has no further usage.

John Travolta probably has the finest 707 still operating - he had a new glass
cockpit and executive interior installed and it must be a superb aircraft - it
has been featured on the Discovery Channel in a documentary and is spectacular.



Christopher wrote:

> N70700 is now in the Museum of Flight WA.
> N707GE is still flying - owned and operated by General Electric [707 321F -
> April 1960]
> a couple of older models are with the Embassy of Saudi Arabia and the
> Israeli Air Force [1959]
>
> "Vitaly Shmatikov" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > James Anatidae > wrote:
> >
> > >I remember reading somewhere a couple years back that one of first couple
> of
> > >707's is still flying somewhere in the US, I think in Florida. I haven't
> > >been able to Google any info, so does anybody know the plane I'm taking
> > >about and if so is it still flying?
> >
> > Are you thinking of N70700, Boeing's first 707 prototype (367-80,
> > aka Dash 80)? It's kept in Seattle and Boeing still flies it out for
> > airshows and such.
> >
> >
> http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?keywords=70700&keywrange=all
> >

[leslie]

Angus Davis ) wrote:
:
:
: Vitaly Shmatikov wrote:
: > Are you thinking of N70700, Boeing's first 707 prototype (367-80,
: > aka Dash 80)?
:
: Didn't that one do a barrel roll over the Golden Gate bridge at one
: point during a test flight?

It was over Lake Washington; this site includes some photos shot from
the Dash-80 during the rolls:

http://www.historylink.org/output.CFM?file_ID=390
HistoryLink Database Output

"Boeing prototype jet performs dramatic roll over Lake Washington on
August 7, 1955.

On August 7, 1955, Alvin M. "Tex" Johnston stuns the crowd at the
Seafair Gold Cup hydroplane race on Lake Washington by barrel (or
aileron) rolling the prototype Dash-80, the precursor to the Boeing
707, thus launching the era of the modern commercial jet. (What
Johnston did with the airplane was called a barrel-roll but
technically, it was an aileron roll, in which a plane rotates on its
long axis, rather than describing a "barrel" loop.) Even Boeing
President William Allen is taken by surprise as he escorts potential
customers who are seeing the jet for the first time.

Flying at more than 400 miles per hour just 400 feet above the water,
Johnston commenced a sudden ascent. The jet's swept-back wings
spiraled as the 128-foot-long, 160,000 pound plane rolled, flying for
a short time upside down. Then, for extra measure, Johnston performed
a second barrel-roll. Boeing President Allen asked a guest with a
heart problem if he could borrow his pills. The potential jet buyers
were duly impressed.

By the time Johnston broke the transcontinental speed record in 1957,
by flying from Seattle to Baltimore in 3 hours, 48 minutes, orders for
the new 707 were pouring in.
__________________________________________________ _______________

Sources:
Robert McG. Thomas Jr., "Tex Johnston, Daring Jet Test Pilot, Dies at
84," The New York Times, November 14, 1998, A16.

By Patrick McRoberts, 1999"

The "Discovery Wings" channel has a "Touched By History" segment showing
the rolls, narrated by Tex Johnston's son.

:
: Has that feat been repeated in large airliners?
:

Not that I'm aware of.


--Jerry Leslie
Note: is invalid for email

[Dan Foster]

In article >, leslie > wrote:
>
> It was over Lake Washington; this site includes some photos shot from
> the Dash-80 during the rolls:
>
> On August 7, 1955, Alvin M. "Tex" Johnston stuns the crowd at the
> Seafair Gold Cup hydroplane race on Lake Washington by barrel (or
> aileron) rolling the prototype Dash-80, the precursor to the Boeing
> 707, thus launching the era of the modern commercial jet.

Is someone going to roll a 367-80 over Lake Washington on August 7, 2005
to properly commemorate the 50th anniversary of that event? ;)

-Dan

[James Robinson]

Dan Foster wrote:
>
> Is someone going to roll a 367-80 over Lake Washington on August 7, 2005
> to properly commemorate the 50th anniversary of that event? ;)

I doubt it. There is only one 367-80, and it is parked at the
Smithsonian at Washington Dulles airport.

[DALing]

doubt it since there's only ONE of them and it's in the Smithsonian air and
space museum ;-)

"Dan Foster" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, leslie
> wrote:
> >
> > It was over Lake Washington; this site includes some photos shot from
> > the Dash-80 during the rolls:
> >
> > On August 7, 1955, Alvin M. "Tex" Johnston stuns the crowd at the
> > Seafair Gold Cup hydroplane race on Lake Washington by barrel (or
> > aileron) rolling the prototype Dash-80, the precursor to the Boeing
> > 707, thus launching the era of the modern commercial jet.
>
> Is someone going to roll a 367-80 over Lake Washington on August 7, 2005
> to properly commemorate the 50th anniversary of that event? ;)
>
> -Dan

[James Anatidae]

"DALing" <daling43[delete]-at-hotmail.com> wrote in message
...
> "Dan Foster" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, leslie
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > It was over Lake Washington; this site includes some photos shot from
> > > the Dash-80 during the rolls:
> > >
> > > On August 7, 1955, Alvin M. "Tex" Johnston stuns the crowd at the
> > > Seafair Gold Cup hydroplane race on Lake Washington by barrel (or
> > > aileron) rolling the prototype Dash-80, the precursor to the Boeing
> > > 707, thus launching the era of the modern commercial jet.
> >
> > Is someone going to roll a 367-80 over Lake Washington on August 7, 2005
> > to properly commemorate the 50th anniversary of that event? ;)
> >
> doubt it since there's only ONE of them and it's in the Smithsonian air
and
> space museum ;-)

Couldn't we use a regular old 707 then?

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[DALing]

ask Travolta, he might do it. ;-)

"James Anatidae" > wrote in message
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> "DALing" <daling43[delete]-at-hotmail.com> wrote in message
> ...
> > "Dan Foster" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >, leslie
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It was over Lake Washington; this site includes some photos shot
from
> > > > the Dash-80 during the rolls:
> > > >
> > > > On August 7, 1955, Alvin M. "Tex" Johnston stuns the crowd at the
> > > > Seafair Gold Cup hydroplane race on Lake Washington by barrel (or
> > > > aileron) rolling the prototype Dash-80, the precursor to the
Boeing
> > > > 707, thus launching the era of the modern commercial jet.
> > >
> > > Is someone going to roll a 367-80 over Lake Washington on August 7,
2005
> > > to properly commemorate the 50th anniversary of that event? ;)
> > >
> > doubt it since there's only ONE of them and it's in the Smithsonian air
> and
> > space museum ;-)
>
> Couldn't we use a regular old 707 then?
>
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>

[scott]

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:01:49 -0400, James Robinson >
wrote:

>Dan Foster wrote:
>>
>> Is someone going to roll a 367-80 over Lake Washington on August 7, 2005
>> to properly commemorate the 50th anniversary of that event? ;)
>
>I doubt it. There is only one 367-80, and it is parked at the
>Smithsonian at Washington Dulles airport.

Which will open up to the p[ublic in December!

[Margy Natalie]

scott wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:01:49 -0400, James Robinson >
> wrote:
>
> >Dan Foster wrote:
> >>
> >> Is someone going to roll a 367-80 over Lake Washington on August 7, 2005
> >> to properly commemorate the 50th anniversary of that event? ;)
> >
> >I doubt it. There is only one 367-80, and it is parked at the
> >Smithsonian at Washington Dulles airport.
>
> Which will open up to the p[ublic in December!

12/15/03, 10 AM

I'll be there, but I have to work :-)

Margy
FCPS Aerospace Educator in Residence
Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center
National Air and Space Museum