Garmin 195 screen problem

[BPattonsoa]

I have a Garmin 195 that had its screen replaced about one year ago after about
two years use. Departing Sedona yesterday, the screen started to fade. Since
I had three waypoints to get through the mess around Palmdale, the muck was
thick, centers were turning down flight following, and my ship does not have
any antique navigation radios, just a compass, it was not nice. Checked the
connections and did not get better. After a while, it faded to almost
invisable, then returned to readable. The top of the 195 was hot. It lasted
til landing, but damn..

Anyone have any ideas, except to upgrade? Have others experienced this type of
problem? When they replaced the screen lase year, they put in a couple of
additinal components and charged a bunch.

Bruce Patton

[- Barnyard BOb -]

>I have a Garmin 195 that had its screen replaced about one year ago after about
>two years use. Departing Sedona yesterday, the screen started to fade. Since
>I had three waypoints to get through the mess around Palmdale, the muck was
>thick, centers were turning down flight following, and my ship does not have
>any antique navigation radios, just a compass, it was not nice. Checked the
>connections and did not get better. After a while, it faded to almost
>invisable, then returned to readable. The top of the 195 was hot. It lasted
>til landing, but damn..
>
>Anyone have any ideas, except to upgrade? Have others experienced this type of
>problem? When they replaced the screen lase year, they put in a couple of
>additinal components and charged a bunch.
>
>Bruce Patton
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I hate to hear that Garmin charged a bunch, but I'd call 'em
and see if it was worth sending back. If not, don't fret.
FWIW - I've got a Garmin 295, but I'm not entirely happy with it.

It's out of my RV-3 as soon as I get around to installing
my iPAQ 2210 with Sentinel Compact Flash GPS and
ANYWHERE MAP software. I've also installed Delorme
Street Atlas USA, Mapopolis Navigator, tons of games,
mp3 songs and other good windoz stuff. Check out....

http://www.anywheremap.com/pages/awm_systems.htm
http://www.delorme.com/software.htm
http://64.208.105.215/home.jsp?s=1069965555140621&p=&q=99943.72436434797


Barnyard BOb - living 26 miles from downtown Garmin

[Ed Wischmeyer]

> and other good windoz stuff.

Ain't no good windoz stuff. All junk. Bah, humbug!

Why is Monopoly Bill worth so much? Figure out how many hours you've
wasted rebooting, reformatting, trying to figure out manuals that didn't
make sense, undoing things that the program did all by itself to "help"
you, trying to get things to work as advertised, fussin' with viruses
and security flaws, etc. Figure out how much your time is worth per
hour. Figure out how many millions of people have had the same problems
as you. Multiply those all together to get Monopoly Bill's net worth.

Monopoly Bill hasn't created wealth, he's just transferred it -- like a crook.

Bah! Humbug!

Ed "you have to pay me to use microsquish products" Wischmeyer

[Jim Weir]

Ed and I graduated from the same charm school.

{;-)


Jim


"Cy Galley" >
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

->Ed why don't you tell us how you really feel!
->
->"Ed Wischmeyer" > wrote in message
...
->>
->> > and other good windoz stuff.
->>
->> Ain't no good windoz stuff. All junk. Bah, humbug!
Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[Del Rawlins]

On 27 Nov 2003 11:54 AM, Ed Wischmeyer posted the following:

> Ain't no good windoz stuff. All junk. Bah, humbug!

I miss two programs after moving to the Mac. Autocad and JASC Paintshop
Pro. Neither of which is a Microsoft product.

> Why is Monopoly Bill worth so much?

What monopoly? My G4 runs OS X just fine, has for nearly 2 years with
hardly a break.

> Figure out how many hours you've
> wasted rebooting, reformatting, trying to figure out manuals that
> didn't make sense, undoing things that the program did all by itself
> to "help" you, trying to get things to work as advertised, fussin'
> with viruses and security flaws, etc.

I don't do any of that anymore, except for occasionally with the PC that
is kept on life support in the garage to run an old version of Autocad
LT. One thing I have observed is that Microsoft application software
actually runs pretty good once it is separated from the Microsoft
operating system. 'Course, they had to hire Mac programmers to write
those versions so go figure.

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[John Stricker]

Or, perhaps you should just learn how to use it.. 7 machines here running
everything from 98SE, ME, XP home, XP Pro. Almost never have a problem.
Then again, I don't intentionally try to do things to create myself
problems.

Even my ME box that I use for my internet gateway has been running about 60
days since the last re-boot.

John Stricker

"Ed Wischmeyer" > wrote in message
...
>
> > and other good windoz stuff.
>
> Ain't no good windoz stuff. All junk. Bah, humbug!
>
> Why is Monopoly Bill worth so much? Figure out how many hours you've
> wasted rebooting, reformatting, trying to figure out manuals that didn't
> make sense, undoing things that the program did all by itself to "help"
> you, trying to get things to work as advertised, fussin' with viruses
> and security flaws, etc. Figure out how much your time is worth per
> hour. Figure out how many millions of people have had the same problems
> as you. Multiply those all together to get Monopoly Bill's net worth.
>
> Monopoly Bill hasn't created wealth, he's just transferred it -- like a
crook.
>
> Bah! Humbug!
>
> Ed "you have to pay me to use microsquish products" Wischmeyer

[Ed Wischmeyer]

> I don't intentionally try to do things to create myself
> problems.

Like, try to use the advertised functionality? or the "help" systems? :-)

Ed "it's the software, stupid!" Wischmeyer

[- Barnyard BOb -]

Jim Weir wrote:

>Ed and I graduated from the same charm school.
>
>{;-)
>
>
>Jim
++++++++++++++++++++

Bragging or complaining? <g>


Charming Barnyard BOb -

[- Barnyard BOb -]

>> and other good windoz stuff.
>
>Ain't no good windoz stuff. All junk. Bah, humbug!

>Ed "you have to pay me to use microsquish products" Wischmeyer
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

What any of us personally feels, matters not, Ed....

My PPC is useless without an operating system.
When you or anyone offers something more suitable,
I will certainly welcome and embrace it.....
Like I currently do with LYCOMINGS & CONTINENTALS.

In the meantime, let me rephrase....
"and other good stuff that runs in windoz."

Sorry for generating the heartburn, ya'll.

NOT. <g>


Barnyard BOb --

[BPattonsoa]

This group is simply amazing. Ask a simple question about problems with a
Garmin and you start a minor flame war.

So, does anyone want to answer the original question? Anyone having a lot of
problems with Garmin 195 screens?

Bruce Patton
RV-6A 596S
HP-18 5596S

[John Stricker]

I use a hell of a lot of the functionality. Wireless networking, hardwired
networking, card readers, scanners across the network, printers across the
network, interface to automotive ECM's and PCM's, card readers, flash
drives, interface to my weather station that maintains a website of my local
weather, I can go on if you like..

Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they can be traced
back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.

If the third parties don't design to specs, then it ain't gonna work as
advertised.

John Stricker

"Ed Wischmeyer" > wrote in message
...
> > I don't intentionally try to do things to create myself
> > problems.
>
> Like, try to use the advertised functionality? or the "help" systems? :-)
>
> Ed "it's the software, stupid!" Wischmeyer

[Ed Wischmeyer]

> Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they can be traced
> back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.

You're not trying to take this discussion seriously, are you? :-)

Seriously, in using "standard" Microsoft desktop applications, I find
bugs in normal, everyday use at the rate of one every 2 - 3 hours. My
job is results, not making excuses or buying in to somebody's marketing
BS, and Microsoft applications do not pass muster. What's my experience?
It includes using and developing software on windowing (operating)
systems from about a half dozen different vendors. Been there, done
that, not buying any -- especially from Microsoft.

Time to bail out of this thread!!

Ed Wischmeyer

[- Barnyard BOb -]

>This group is simply amazing. Ask a simple question about problems with a
>Garmin and you start a minor flame war.
>
>So, does anyone want to answer the original question?

Answer = Not at this time.

>Bruce Patton
>RV-6A 596S
>HP-18 5596S

Your ORIGINAL question was a TWO PARTER.
Here are BOTH parts, in case you forget...

>* Anyone have any ideas, except to upgrade?
>* Have others experienced this type of problem?

Good bye.


Barnyard BOb --
The more people I meet,
the more I love my dog
and George Carlin humor.

[- Barnyard BOb -]

>This group is simply amazing. Ask a simple question about problems with a
>Garmin and you start a minor flame war.
>
>Bruce Patton
>RV-6A 596S
>HP-18 5596S
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Just checked the Garmin site....
http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap195/

<<<<< DISCONTINUED >>>>>

Your amazing, too.


Barnyard BOb -- over 50 years of successful flight

[John Stricker]

Ed,

No, not really taking it seriously at all. In this regard, the term YMMV is
a big, BIG, variable.

I've been selling and servicing computers for about a dozen years now.
Almost every major stability problem with Windows since 98SE has been when
they've added something else to it. Non-Windows compliant software (that's
sold as compliant) and very poorly written drives have done more to
perpetuate the idea that Windows is junk than MS could ever do themselves.

All that said, Windows is certainly not perfect and has it's limitations.
Now tell me the OS that doesn't. 8-)

John Stricker

"Ed Wischmeyer" > wrote in message
...
> > Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they can be
traced
> > back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.
>
> You're not trying to take this discussion seriously, are you? :-)
>
> Seriously, in using "standard" Microsoft desktop applications, I find
> bugs in normal, everyday use at the rate of one every 2 - 3 hours. My
> job is results, not making excuses or buying in to somebody's marketing
> BS, and Microsoft applications do not pass muster. What's my experience?
> It includes using and developing software on windowing (operating)
> systems from about a half dozen different vendors. Been there, done
> that, not buying any -- especially from Microsoft.
>
> Time to bail out of this thread!!
>
> Ed Wischmeyer

[Cy Galley]

I'd agree with the third party bit. Adobe products don't exit even after
using the shutdown X so I routinely use the 3 finger salute, click on the
windows taskmaster and delete the image name under processes. I find ADCD
has the same problem.

I am running Windows 2000 Pro. It is not usual to have been logged on 3,4,5
months or more as I never shut my machine off except for hardware upgrades.
Last time was when my mouse cord broke and I had to re-boot for my PS-2
mouse while I spliced the cord on my optical.


--
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
or

Always looking for articles for the Experimenter





"John Stricker" > wrote in message
...
> I use a hell of a lot of the functionality. Wireless networking,
hardwired
> networking, card readers, scanners across the network, printers across the
> network, interface to automotive ECM's and PCM's, card readers, flash
> drives, interface to my weather station that maintains a website of my
local
> weather, I can go on if you like..
>
> Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they can be traced
> back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.
>
> If the third parties don't design to specs, then it ain't gonna work as
> advertised.
>
> John Stricker
>
> "Ed Wischmeyer" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > I don't intentionally try to do things to create myself
> > > problems.
> >
> > Like, try to use the advertised functionality? or the "help" systems?
:-)
> >
> > Ed "it's the software, stupid!" Wischmeyer
>
>

[clare @ snyder.on .ca]

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:04:13 -0600, "John Stricker"
> wrote:

>Ed,
>
>No, not really taking it seriously at all. In this regard, the term YMMV is
>a big, BIG, variable.
>
>I've been selling and servicing computers for about a dozen years now.
>Almost every major stability problem with Windows since 98SE has been when
>they've added something else to it. Non-Windows compliant software (that's
>sold as compliant) and very poorly written drives have done more to
>perpetuate the idea that Windows is junk than MS could ever do themselves.
>
>All that said, Windows is certainly not perfect and has it's limitations.
>Now tell me the OS that doesn't. 8-)
>
>John Stricker
>
Gotta agree with you John. Been in this computer business since before
Windows - and although there have been bugs, it's a whole lot better
than the Dos 3.11 days - and that was NOT a Microsoft product. It was
an IBM Aberration.(or abortion)
Microsoft products are remarkably reliable and trouble free compared
to the "competition".
"Word Imperfect" - what a laugh. Lotus Ami Pro - give me a break.
Word, on the other hand? Very good.
Add Borland to the mix, and you can have more headaches. Stay with
Microsoft software, and hardware that is on the compatability list,
with microsoft signed drivers - and keep off the internet so you don't
get viruii, and you are gold.
As for Microsoft and virii, if there was a large enough installed base
of ANY other operating system to tempt the code kiddies and hackers,
you can bet your last cent they would find as many or more weaknesses
in EVERY other OS out there. That includes Linux, Apple System X, or
what have you.

'Nuff said.
>"Ed Wischmeyer" > wrote in message
...
>> > Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they can be
>traced
>> > back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.
>>
>> You're not trying to take this discussion seriously, are you? :-)
>>
>> Seriously, in using "standard" Microsoft desktop applications, I find
>> bugs in normal, everyday use at the rate of one every 2 - 3 hours. My
>> job is results, not making excuses or buying in to somebody's marketing
>> BS, and Microsoft applications do not pass muster. What's my experience?
>> It includes using and developing software on windowing (operating)
>> systems from about a half dozen different vendors. Been there, done
>> that, not buying any -- especially from Microsoft.
>>
>> Time to bail out of this thread!!
>>
>> Ed Wischmeyer
>

[RobertR237]

In article >, "John Stricker"
> writes:

>
>No, not really taking it seriously at all. In this regard, the term YMMV is
>a big, BIG, variable.
>
>I've been selling and servicing computers for about a dozen years now.
>Almost every major stability problem with Windows since 98SE has been when
>they've added something else to it. Non-Windows compliant software (that's
>sold as compliant) and very poorly written drives have done more to
>perpetuate the idea that Windows is junk than MS could ever do themselves.
>
>All that said, Windows is certainly not perfect and has it's limitations.
>Now tell me the OS that doesn't. 8-)
>

I would just love to agree with you but most of the problems I have encountered
with ALL versions of Windows involved other MS products and they "attempt" to
interface with their own damn software. In my opinion, the operating system
has a big problem when it can not control errant programs and / or is so damn
complex that nobody can interface without problems. Windows fails on both
issues.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

[Roger Halstead]

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:23:36 -0600, "John Stricker"
> wrote:

>Or, perhaps you should just learn how to use it.. 7 machines here running
>everything from 98SE, ME, XP home, XP Pro. Almost never have a problem.
>Then again, I don't intentionally try to do things to create myself
>problems.

First, I am not a booster of MS and I don't even like them and their
ethics, but:

I only have 4 here on a P to P network that run 24 X 7 with the CPUs
staying at nearly 100% utilization.
My wife's system stayed on 98 and then 98 SE for a longggg time before
going to XP Pro. She wouldn't let me change it as it always worked and
she kept hearing horror stories about other people's crashing.

Like you John, I had no problems with ME.

The only problems I've had have been related to line noise,
application conflicts such as Roxio and Nero being unwilling to run on
the same machine and those of my own making.

One of the worst programs for causing problems was "Autocad" as it had
some customized DLLs. I assume they no longer overwrite specific DLLs
with their own customized ones. The way around that, as I recall, was
to put the offending DLL in the root directory for Autocad and copy
the proper DLL back to its own location. Many programs have been
guilty of that.

Oh...and being I do a lot of programming on this one, I had some
problems with earlier versions of Visual Basic setting the creation
date on stock DLLS to the day a program was created. Which, like
Autocad would then overwrite newer DLLs which managed to thoroughly
trash the machine a few times. Never had a problem with C, C++,
Pascal, or Delphi. That is not saying I didn't make some mista... er
add some features that didn't crash the system, but they were at least
recoverable.

I have found NTFS to be much more reliable than FAT16 or 32.

>
>Even my ME box that I use for my internet gateway has been running about 60
>days since the last re-boot.

ME was like a lot of people. It was just fussy about who, or what it
chose as friends. At least with XP it warns you about programs it
doesn't like. Welllll... most of them. Get it up and running and it
was reliable, at least for me.

>
>John Stricker
>
>"Ed Wischmeyer" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> > and other good windoz stuff.
>>
>> Ain't no good windoz stuff. All junk. Bah, humbug!
>>
>> Why is Monopoly Bill worth so much? Figure out how many hours you've
>> wasted rebooting, reformatting, trying to figure out manuals that didn't
>> make sense, undoing things that the program did all by itself to "help"

You should try IBM manuals. If you need them you won't understand
them. If you are capable of understanding them, you don't need them.

I will admit that requesting XP to *repair* a network connection is a
dangerous thing to do.

>> you, trying to get things to work as advertised, fussin' with viruses
>> and security flaws, etc. Figure out how much your time is worth per

The vast majority of virus infections are due to the lack of knowledge
on the users part and a demand for capabilities that open up the
systems. That they insist on running macros from within office
documents, send out complete VB programs to run databases with Access
tables, and read their news and mail in HTML, is not the fault of MS.
That the apps come with all the goodies turned on could be attributed
to MS, *except* if they weren't the majority of users would be on the
telephone wanting to know why.

>> hour. Figure out how many millions of people have had the same problems
>> as you. Multiply those all together to get Monopoly Bill's net worth.

We ran over 1,700 intel systems with Win 98 "on one site". I think we
had something like 7,000 of the things corporate wide. Having to
reboot was not a problem. It was quite a rarity. Many of these
machines ran 24 X 7. That in and by itself should say volumes about
configuration.

How did we manage when MS has such a poor reputation for stability?
We had a set configuration, or rather a set of configurations and
software packages that were tested for compatibility and stability. No
other apps were allowed on the machines. It could easily be worth your
job to change one of those configurations or install a non approved
program. Even approved ones had best be installed by the IS
department.

There is such a vast array of programs/applications available for the
windows environment that it's surprising there aren't more problems.
Many, like the early versions of Autocad have customized DLLs.
Programmers are an independent lot and even though MS tells us to
create our own DLLs if we need something with special functions theirs
still get modified.

yes, there are a great many loop holes in the various incarnations of
their OS and most of them are at least indirectly related to the
attempt to make the system easy for the average user and programmer.
The more complex the system the more likely you will find side effects
such as buffer over run.

The average user does not practice safe computing. The average user
is just barely computer literate under the definition and they
certainly are not "computer savvy". They tend to be of the "it won't
happen to me", "I only open attachments from people I know", and if it
crashes it's the systems fault, type.

According to a recent study about (think it was 38% )of the
population are computer literate. Unless people have changed a lot in
a last few years I think that is probably about 10% high. I taught
intro to computer science at the college level which would be way
above average. The general lack of a grasp of the concepts involved
was surprising for college level students, but at least 90 % of them
did learn how to turn 'em on, insert a disk, run an app, and turn 'em
off which qualifies as societies definition of computer literate.
There were only about 4 or 5 who received an A, out of 195 students.
>>
Most were C and no few were D or worse.
>> Monopoly Bill hasn't created wealth, he's just transferred it -- like a
>crook.
>>

When it comes to business, most are a transfer of wealth from one
person to another, or people to businesses. However, PCs in general
and I do not mean the intel system that was given the copyright (PC),
have advance our quality of life and changes in our way of living (not
all for the best) in so many ways it'd be difficult to name more than
a tiny fraction. So, in that light Monopoly Bill did create a lot of
wealth for a lot of people.

You'll have to fix the return add due to dumb virus checkers, not spam
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>> Bah! Humbug!
>>
>> Ed "you have to pay me to use microsquish products" Wischmeyer
>

[Peter Dohm]

I don't know about Paintshop Pro, but Autocad used to be available for the
Mac - although they might sell it to you all over again.

Peter


Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> On 27 Nov 2003 11:54 AM, Ed Wischmeyer posted the following:
>
> > Ain't no good windoz stuff. All junk. Bah, humbug!
>
> I miss two programs after moving to the Mac. Autocad and JASC Paintshop
> Pro. Neither of which is a Microsoft product.
>
> > Why is Monopoly Bill worth so much?
>
> What monopoly? My G4 runs OS X just fine, has for nearly 2 years with
> hardly a break.
>
> > Figure out how many hours you've
> > wasted rebooting, reformatting, trying to figure out manuals that
> > didn't make sense, undoing things that the program did all by itself
> > to "help" you, trying to get things to work as advertised, fussin'
> > with viruses and security flaws, etc.
>
> I don't do any of that anymore, except for occasionally with the PC that
> is kept on life support in the garage to run an old version of Autocad
> LT. One thing I have observed is that Microsoft application software
> actually runs pretty good once it is separated from the Microsoft
> operating system. 'Course, they had to hire Mac programmers to write
> those versions so go figure.
>
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[Peter Dohm]

I liked OS/2 much better!

Regards
Peter

John Stricker wrote:
>
> Ed,
>
> No, not really taking it seriously at all. In this regard, the term YMMV is
> a big, BIG, variable.
>
> I've been selling and servicing computers for about a dozen years now.
> Almost every major stability problem with Windows since 98SE has been when
> they've added something else to it. Non-Windows compliant software (that's
> sold as compliant) and very poorly written drives have done more to
> perpetuate the idea that Windows is junk than MS could ever do themselves.
>
> All that said, Windows is certainly not perfect and has it's limitations.
> Now tell me the OS that doesn't. 8-)
>
> John Stricker
>
> "Ed Wischmeyer" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they can be
> traced
> > > back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.
> >
> > You're not trying to take this discussion seriously, are you? :-)
> >
> > Seriously, in using "standard" Microsoft desktop applications, I find
> > bugs in normal, everyday use at the rate of one every 2 - 3 hours. My
> > job is results, not making excuses or buying in to somebody's marketing
> > BS, and Microsoft applications do not pass muster. What's my experience?
> > It includes using and developing software on windowing (operating)
> > systems from about a half dozen different vendors. Been there, done
> > that, not buying any -- especially from Microsoft.
> >
> > Time to bail out of this thread!!
> >
> > Ed Wischmeyer

--

[clare @ snyder.on .ca]

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:07:40 GMT, Peter Dohm >
wrote:

>I liked OS/2 much better!
>
>Regards
>Peter
>

Gee, we have a REAL masochist in our midst!!! Never heard of ANYONE
getting that abortion installed and running properly in less than 3
hours.
>John Stricker wrote:
>>
>> Ed,
>>
>> No, not really taking it seriously at all. In this regard, the term YMMV is
>> a big, BIG, variable.
>>
>> I've been selling and servicing computers for about a dozen years now.
>> Almost every major stability problem with Windows since 98SE has been when
>> they've added something else to it. Non-Windows compliant software (that's
>> sold as compliant) and very poorly written drives have done more to
>> perpetuate the idea that Windows is junk than MS could ever do themselves.
>>
>> All that said, Windows is certainly not perfect and has it's limitations.
>> Now tell me the OS that doesn't. 8-)
>>
>> John Stricker
>>
>> "Ed Wischmeyer" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > > Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they can be
>> traced
>> > > back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.
>> >
>> > You're not trying to take this discussion seriously, are you? :-)
>> >
>> > Seriously, in using "standard" Microsoft desktop applications, I find
>> > bugs in normal, everyday use at the rate of one every 2 - 3 hours. My
>> > job is results, not making excuses or buying in to somebody's marketing
>> > BS, and Microsoft applications do not pass muster. What's my experience?
>> > It includes using and developing software on windowing (operating)
>> > systems from about a half dozen different vendors. Been there, done
>> > that, not buying any -- especially from Microsoft.
>> >
>> > Time to bail out of this thread!!
>> >
>> > Ed Wischmeyer

[Del Rawlins]

On 28 Nov 2003 04:02 PM, Peter Dohm posted the following:
> I don't know about Paintshop Pro, but Autocad used to be available for
> the Mac - although they might sell it to you all over again.

Autodesk dropped Mac support a long time ago, I think back around
version 12, so it wouldn't even run in OSX.

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[RobertR237]

In article >, clare @ snyder.on .ca
writes:

>
>>I liked OS/2 much better!
>>
>>Regards
>>Peter
>>
>
> Gee, we have a REAL masochist in our midst!!! Never heard of ANYONE
>getting that abortion installed and running properly in less than 3
>hours.
>

You have now! I also found OS/2 to be far better than even the most current
versions of Windoz and that was several years ago.

Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

[Ed Wischmeyer]

> >Or, perhaps you should just learn how to use it.. 7 machines here running
> >everything from 98SE, ME, XP home, XP Pro. Almost never have a problem.
> >Then again, I don't intentionally try to do things to create myself
> >problems.

Coupla comments:
1. I never have problems with the OS or installation or extra software.
Tech support does the first two and I don't attempt the third. I don't
run any MS software at home on a regular basis.
2. My own problems are all with the (*&^ MS applications and help
systems. If (heaven forbid!) we wanted a serious apples to apples :-)
discussion, we could talk about, say, print problems. The other day I
was filling out a form. 8 minutes to do the text, maybe 20 minutes
trying to get the stuff to format properly on the screen (it kept
readjusting itself), and then when that was done, it wouldn't print
right. If it takes a secret decoder ring to disable some unannunciated
mode that is "helping" you, that's bad software design and
documentation. Sometime check out any website on bad human factors in
software design -- 90+% of the examples are Microsoft, not because of
their market dominance, but because they have not established the
requisite culture in their user and developer communities. Also, notice
that it has become a badge of pride to learn how to work around the bugs
and poor design features. (The technical term for figuring out how
things actually work [undocumented] is "hacking.") In fact, this
difficulty-of-use has been institutionalized (brilliant marketing,
actually) in the "Microsoft Certified XXX" programs.
3. At one point, I figured out that lost productivity from using MS apps
ran 5 to 10%, depending. In other words, in a 40 hour week, I would
sometimes spend 10% of my time trying to get the software to work as
advertised. To put that in perspective, the annual cost in lost
productivity was greater than the cost of the hardware, software, and
tech support combined. In some conversations with IT folks, my numbers
were considered low. (Sounds like MS left a lot of money on the table...)
4. In the history of technology, Microsoft is at great risk of earning a
reputation primarily for establishing an international culture of bad
software design and implementation, and training generations of users
that they are too stupid to use computers well. Wouldn't it be great if
MS lived up to its own marketing hype? Unfortunately, the Pandora's box
of incompatibilities and unmaintainabilities has been opened, and not
even MS is rich enough or technically capable enough to close that box.
There may be many responses to this particular comment, and keen readers
would serve themselves well to observe how many of those responses are
dysfunctional or in denial or off topic.

Take away the frivolously flippant attitudes of my previous posts, and
there is entirely too much painful truth there. The tragedy is that
nobody wins -- neither pundits, nor consumers, nor the computing
community at large, nor MS. What lost opportunities. What a shame.

Ed "there's a reason I'm no longer in the computer industry" Wischmeyer

[Model Flyer]

<clare @ snyder.on .ca> wrote in message
> >
> Gotta agree with you John. Been in this computer business since
before
> Windows - and although there have been bugs, it's a whole lot
better
> than the Dos 3.11 days - and that was NOT a Microsoft product. It
was
> an IBM Aberration.(or abortion)

IBM needed an operating system for their first PC, Bill Gates and a
friend provided it to them while working out of his fathers garage at
home. DOS was OK but could not handle any real graphics. Did you
really try doing anything with win 3, real crap. Personally I never
bothered with windows until 3.1, at least that worked.

> Microsoft products are remarkably reliable and trouble free
compared
> to the "competition".

Have to agree with you there, right from Works 2 for DOS, Microsoft
has produced an easy to use interface that others have struggled to
copy. Lotus Ami Pro is the only Word processor that comes any where
near Word in usability.

Jonathan



> "Word Imperfect" - what a laugh. Lotus Ami Pro - give me a break.
> Word, on the other hand? Very good.
> Add Borland to the mix, and you can have more headaches. Stay with
> Microsoft software, and hardware that is on the compatability list,
> with microsoft signed drivers - and keep off the internet so you
don't
> get viruii, and you are gold.
> As for Microsoft and virii, if there was a large enough installed
base
> of ANY other operating system to tempt the code kiddies and
hackers,
> you can bet your last cent they would find as many or more
weaknesses
> in EVERY other OS out there. That includes Linux, Apple System X,
or
> what have you.
>
> 'Nuff said.
> >"Ed Wischmeyer" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> > Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they
can be
> >traced
> >> > back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.
> >>
> >> You're not trying to take this discussion seriously, are you?
:-)
> >>
> >> Seriously, in using "standard" Microsoft desktop applications, I
find
> >> bugs in normal, everyday use at the rate of one every 2 - 3
hours. My
> >> job is results, not making excuses or buying in to somebody's
marketing
> >> BS, and Microsoft applications do not pass muster. What's my
experience?
> >> It includes using and developing software on windowing
(operating)
> >> systems from about a half dozen different vendors. Been there,
done
> >> that, not buying any -- especially from Microsoft.
> >>
> >> Time to bail out of this thread!!
> >>
> >> Ed Wischmeyer
> >
>

[Model Flyer]

"Roger Halstead" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:23:36 -0600, "John Stricker"
> > wrote:
>
> >Or, perhaps you should just learn how to use it.. 7 machines here
running
> >everything from 98SE, ME, XP home, XP Pro. Almost never have a
problem.
> >Then again, I don't intentionally try to do things to create
myself
> >problems.
>
> First, I am not a booster of MS and I don't even like them and
their
> ethics, but:
>

It was the rise in the use of sound cards that gave me a lot of work
re-installing windows, some of the cards would blow resulting in
corrupting the HDD. This was great from my point of view as there was
no data to recover onto floppies or my much used ZIP drive, so it
only required a new card and a clean install; we blamed the client
over his lost data, we did train them in backing up everything.

For some years, CD drives gone bad cause the system to grind to a
halt, thankfully that's not too common now.

My pet hates are, anything a client may use to install any new
applications, games or updated printer drivers etc, floppy drives,
zip drives, cd rom drives and the worst of all that annoying modem
thingy. Provided none of these attachements are on your clients
computer then they cannot do too much damage to their own system
other than formatting the hard drive.

> I only have 4 here on a P to P network that run 24 X 7 with the
CPUs
> staying at nearly 100% utilization.

I have 7 machines, 4 are working. one is in the lounge with it's own
printer, setup for the wife to use. Three are in my 'office', why so
many for my own use, that's because I split up functions between the
three machines. 1 is used for most of my work, printing, internet, 2
is used for testing all those annoying broken printers people keep
sending me for repair, running my scanner and burning CD's etc, 3 is
em, now just why do I have a third machine connected to my network,
can't think of any good reason, Oh yeh, because it's there.

> My wife's system stayed on 98 and then 98 SE for a longggg time
before
> going to XP Pro. She wouldn't let me change it as it always worked
and
> she kept hearing horror stories about other people's crashing.
>
My wife did try to use a computer, however, she is still worried
about all the harm you can do to a computer by doing something wrong;
we all know that, well really, what harm can you do to a computer
just writing a letter.

> Like you John, I had no problems with ME.
>

me is a desease that Microsoft created for the PC just to prove they
could do it too.

> The only problems I've had have been related to line noise,
> application conflicts such as Roxio and Nero being unwilling to run
on
> the same machine and those of my own making.
>

Anything a client can update themselves is the worst application, had
a job on a machine that the client tried to update to IE-6 from ver
5.5 and screwed it up.


--
---
Cheers,
Jonathan Lowe.
/
don't bother me with insignificiant nonsence such as spelling,
I don't care if it spelt properly
/
Sometimes I fly and sometimes I just dream about it.
:-)

[Model Flyer]

"Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
...
> I liked OS/2 much better!
>

If you moved the mouse while OS/2 was thinking, you generally lost
the mouse and keyboard. I think what really killed OS/2 was windose
support, no softwear house would bother writing applications for an
operating system it will run windose badly.
--
---
Cheers,
Jonathan Lowe.
/
don't bother me with insignificiant nonsence such as spelling,
I don't care if it spelt properly
/
Sometimes I fly and sometimes I just dream about it.
:-)



> Regards
> Peter
>
> John Stricker wrote:
> >
> > Ed,
> >
> > No, not really taking it seriously at all. In this regard, the
term YMMV is
> > a big, BIG, variable.
> >
> > I've been selling and servicing computers for about a dozen years
now.
> > Almost every major stability problem with Windows since 98SE has
been when
> > they've added something else to it. Non-Windows compliant
software (that's
> > sold as compliant) and very poorly written drives have done more
to
> > perpetuate the idea that Windows is junk than MS could ever do
themselves.
> >
> > All that said, Windows is certainly not perfect and has it's
limitations.
> > Now tell me the OS that doesn't. 8-)
> >
> > John Stricker
> >
> > "Ed Wischmeyer" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > > Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they
can be
> > traced
> > > > back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.
> > >
> > > You're not trying to take this discussion seriously, are you?
:-)
> > >
> > > Seriously, in using "standard" Microsoft desktop applications,
I find
> > > bugs in normal, everyday use at the rate of one every 2 - 3
hours. My
> > > job is results, not making excuses or buying in to somebody's
marketing
> > > BS, and Microsoft applications do not pass muster. What's my
experience?
> > > It includes using and developing software on windowing
(operating)
> > > systems from about a half dozen different vendors. Been there,
done
> > > that, not buying any -- especially from Microsoft.
> > >
> > > Time to bail out of this thread!!
> > >
> > > Ed Wischmeyer
>
> --

[Model Flyer]

<clare @ snyder.on .ca> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:07:40 GMT, Peter Dohm >
> wrote:
>
> >I liked OS/2 much better!
> >
> >Regards
> >Peter
> >
>
> Gee, we have a REAL masochist in our midst!!! Never heard of
ANYONE
> getting that abortion installed and running properly in less than 3
> hours.

All thirty floppy disks, then no application to run on it. However,
linux took three hours to install the package from cd, then over
night to compile.
--
---
Cheers,
Jonathan Lowe.
/
don't bother me with insignificiant nonsence such as spelling,
I don't care if it spelt properly
/
Sometimes I fly and sometimes I just dream about it.
:-)


> >John Stricker wrote:
> >>
> >> Ed,
> >>
> >> No, not really taking it seriously at all. In this regard, the
term YMMV is
> >> a big, BIG, variable.
> >>
> >> I've been selling and servicing computers for about a dozen
years now.
> >> Almost every major stability problem with Windows since 98SE has
been when
> >> they've added something else to it. Non-Windows compliant
software (that's
> >> sold as compliant) and very poorly written drives have done more
to
> >> perpetuate the idea that Windows is junk than MS could ever do
themselves.
> >>
> >> All that said, Windows is certainly not perfect and has it's
limitations.
> >> Now tell me the OS that doesn't. 8-)
> >>
> >> John Stricker
> >>
> >> "Ed Wischmeyer" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > > Works OK for me. If I have problems most all the time they
can be
> >> traced
> >> > > back to bad third party software, drivers, or hardware.
> >> >
> >> > You're not trying to take this discussion seriously, are you?
:-)
> >> >
> >> > Seriously, in using "standard" Microsoft desktop applications,
I find
> >> > bugs in normal, everyday use at the rate of one every 2 - 3
hours. My
> >> > job is results, not making excuses or buying in to somebody's
marketing
> >> > BS, and Microsoft applications do not pass muster. What's my
experience?
> >> > It includes using and developing software on windowing
(operating)
> >> > systems from about a half dozen different vendors. Been there,
done
> >> > that, not buying any -- especially from Microsoft.
> >> >
> >> > Time to bail out of this thread!!
> >> >
> >> > Ed Wischmeyer
>

[David O]

(BPattonsoa) wrote:

>This group is simply amazing. Ask a simple question about problems with a
>Garmin and you start a minor flame war.
>
>So, does anyone want to answer the original question? Anyone having a lot of
>problems with Garmin 195 screens?
>
>Bruce Patton
>RV-6A 596S
>HP-18 5596S

Questions such as yours are better asked in rec.aviation.piloting
where there is a much larger readership and participation.

David O -- http://www.AirplaneZone.com

[Roger Halstead]

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:47:51 -0500, David O
> wrote:

(BPattonsoa) wrote:
>
>>This group is simply amazing. Ask a simple question about problems with a
>>Garmin and you start a minor flame war.
>>
>>So, does anyone want to answer the original question? Anyone having a lot of
>>problems with Garmin 195 screens?
>>
>>Bruce Patton
>>RV-6A 596S
>>HP-18 5596S
>
>Questions such as yours are better asked in rec.aviation.piloting
>where there is a much larger readership and participation.

And ... they are far less tollerant

The only problem I had with mine was when I dropped it on the ramp
while standing on the wing of the Debonair. Parts everywhere.

Oh! I did have one other problem. The early ones had a problem with
the power connection through the mount to the multi pin connector on
the back of the 195. It seems like the replacement had a different
type of connection.

They said they'd repair it or replace it for a flat fee...Couple
hundred as I remember. It was well worth it. I sent the trashed one
in and received a new one back, complete with a newer style mount to
fit the Bonanza style cross bar for the yokes.

I purchased a new 295 and sold the 195 to one of the regular lurkers
on here. Last I knew it's still workin' fine. It's been a while but
the last time I flew safety pilot with him he still had it on the yoke
"as I recall".

You'll have to fix the return add due to dumb virus checkers, not spam
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>David O -- http://www.AirplaneZone.com
>
>