Phonetic alphabet -- dixie instead of delta?

[Roy Smith]

The wikipedia article
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet) on phonetic
alphabets says:

"At some United States airports, the use of Delta for the letter D is
avoided because it is also the callsign for Delta Air Lines. "Dixie"
seems to be the most common substitute."

The tower at HPN has been known to take liberties with the alphabet on
Thanksgiving Day ("Advise you have information Turkey"), but I've never
heard dixie. Is this really common usage?

[RST Engineering]

I much prefer:

Aeon



Bdellium



Cereal



Djakarta



Euphoria



Futtock



Gnome



Hour



Ian



Jalepeño



Knee



Llama



Mnemonic



Ngami



Oedipus



Pneumonia



Quito



Roentgen



Sforzando



Tchaikovsky



Ursula



Veldt



Wretch



Xylophone



Yclept



Zloty



Jim

[Peter R.]

RST Engineering ) wrote:

> Zloty
>
>
>
> Jim

There's a J after the Z in your alphabet. :)

--
Peter

[mindenpilot]

"Roy Smith" > wrote in message
...
> The wikipedia article
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet) on phonetic
> alphabets says:
>
> "At some United States airports, the use of Delta for the letter D is
> avoided because it is also the callsign for Delta Air Lines. "Dixie"
> seems to be the most common substitute."
>
> The tower at HPN has been known to take liberties with the alphabet on
> Thanksgiving Day ("Advise you have information Turkey"), but I've never
> heard dixie. Is this really common usage?

I've heard both the aircraft and tower use this in Reno, but not often.

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:51:03 -0800, "mindenpilot"
> wrote:

>
>"Roy Smith" > wrote in message
...
>> The wikipedia article
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet) on phonetic
>> alphabets says:
>>
>> "At some United States airports, the use of Delta for the letter D is
>> avoided because it is also the callsign for Delta Air Lines. "Dixie"
>> seems to be the most common substitute."
>>
>> The tower at HPN has been known to take liberties with the alphabet on
>> Thanksgiving Day ("Advise you have information Turkey"), but I've never
>> heard dixie. Is this really common usage?
>
>I've heard both the aircraft and tower use this in Reno, but not often.
>

The use of the phonetic alphabet was designed to reduce the chance of
confusion when communications were poor. The use of more than one
syllable improves clarity and many amateur radio operators use other
words but they are all designed for clarity when trying to read a very
weak signal almost lost in noise -:)

I assume Reno communications are clear so I don't see a big problem
with the change if it avoids confusion.

[Stefan]

wrote:

> The use of the phonetic alphabet was designed to reduce the chance of
> confusion when communications were poor.

Not only. It was also designed in a way that people of all languages
would understand it without confusion as well as be able to pronounce it
correctly. Have you ever tried to distinguish all the consonants the
Arabic language offers? Have you ever tried to distinguish all the
different emphasises and melodies some asiatic languages use? You'd be
surprised: Without a thorough training, they all will sound the same for
you, yet for native speakers they are very different. The same works
vice versa: What sounds different for you doesn't necessairily do so for
speakers of other languages. So creating a phonetic alphabet which works
worldwide is very much more involved than it would seem.

Stefan

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"RST Engineering" > wrote in message
...
>
> I much prefer:
>
> Aeon
>

Are


>
> Euphoria
>

Eye


>
> Pneumonia
>

Phonics


>
> Quito
>

Quay


>
> Sforzando
>

Sea


>
> Wretch
>

Why

[Capt. 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC]

Roy Smith wrote:
>
> The wikipedia article
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet) on phonetic
> alphabets says:
>
> "At some United States airports, the use of Delta for the letter D is
> avoided because it is also the callsign for Delta Air Lines. "Dixie"
> seems to be the most common substitute."
>
> The tower at HPN has been known to take liberties with the alphabet on
> Thanksgiving Day ("Advise you have information Turkey"), but I've never
> heard dixie. Is this really common usage?

Eastern pilots in ATL never used Delta for D... was usually "DOG". In Phoenix,
we use Information Cardinals(or Coyotes), DiamondBacks and Suns...

TJ

[vincent p. norris]

>Eastern pilots in ATL never used Delta for D... was usually "DOG".

"Dog" was the standard, official, word for the letter D in the
phonetic alphabet that preceded the present one. Able Baker Charlie
Dog Easy Fox......

That's the one anyone who entered aviation 50+ years ago learned.

vince norris

[Capt. 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC]

"vincent p. norris" wrote:
>
> >Eastern pilots in ATL never used Delta for D... was usually "DOG".
>
> "Dog" was the standard, official, word for the letter D in the
> phonetic alphabet that preceded the present one. Able Baker Charlie
> Dog Easy Fox......
>
> That's the one anyone who entered aviation 50+ years ago learned.
>
> vince norris

Seems like most of the guys that entered aviation 50+ yrs ago are either pushing
walkers around, eating thru a straw.... or dead...

My name's Captain 'Wild' Bill Kelso, and dont you forget it ;)

[vincent p. norris]

>Seems like most of the guys that entered aviation 50+ yrs ago are either pushing
>walkers around, eating thru a straw.... or dead...

Most, perhaps, but not all. I soloed a J-3 in 1946, got gold wings in
1951. I have a friend who is 90 and still flying.

vince norris

[Capt. 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC]

"vincent p. norris" wrote:
>
> >Seems like most of the guys that entered aviation 50+ yrs ago are either pushing
> >walkers around, eating thru a straw.... or dead...
>
> Most, perhaps, but not all. I soloed a J-3 in 1946, got gold wings in
> 1951. I have a friend who is 90 and still flying.
>
> vince norris

Hey Vince,

Just let me know when he's up, I'll be waiting at my gate till he lands...

Blue skies and tailwinds...

Bill -