Why are turbos rare?

[Mxsmanic]

Why do turbocharged piston props seem to be so rare/unfavored? Don't they
provide a substantial advantage over normally aspirated engines?

[Ash Wyllie]

Mxsmanic opined

>Why do turbocharged piston props seem to be so rare/unfavored? Don't they
>provide a substantial advantage over normally aspirated engines?

They also add substantial costs.

-ash
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[Ron Wanttaja[_2_]]

On 10/17/2010 2:54 AM, Mxsmanic wrote:
> Why do turbocharged piston props seem to be so rare/unfavored? Don't they
> provide a substantial advantage over normally aspirated engines?

More expensive to buy, more expensive to maintain, more prone to
problems. Key issues for a private buyer. For a business purchase, the
advantages are mostly ephemeral (arrive fifteen minutes earlier,
smoother ride over weather) and are hard to use to justify the
additional expense.

Ron Wanttaja

[a[_3_]]

On Oct 17, 9:57*am, Ron Wanttaja > wrote:
> On 10/17/2010 2:54 AM, Mxsmanic wrote:
>
> > Why do turbocharged piston props seem to be so rare/unfavored? Don't they
> > provide a substantial advantage over normally aspirated engines?
>
> More expensive to buy, more expensive to maintain, more prone to
> problems. *Key issues for a private buyer. *For a business purchase, the
> advantages are mostly ephemeral (arrive fifteen minutes earlier,
> smoother ride over weather) and are hard to use to justify the
> additional expense.
>
> Ron Wanttaja

The reality is, no one has scaled a turbo down to where it might
replace an IO 360 or IO 540.

[Bob Moore]

a > wrote
> The reality is, no one has scaled a turbo down to where it might
> replace an IO 360 or IO 540.

I think that you mistake "turboCHARGED" for "turboPROP".
I have flown lots of turbocharged TSIO540s.

Bob Moore

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Ron Wanttaja > wrote:
> On 10/17/2010 2:54 AM, Mxsmanic wrote:
>> Why do turbocharged piston props seem to be so rare/unfavored? Don't they
>> provide a substantial advantage over normally aspirated engines?
>
> More expensive to buy, more expensive to maintain, more prone to
> problems. Key issues for a private buyer. For a business purchase, the
> advantages are mostly ephemeral (arrive fifteen minutes earlier,
> smoother ride over weather) and are hard to use to justify the
> additional expense.
>
> Ron Wanttaja

And to actually utilize it, you need oxygen, an instrument equiped aircraft
and a current instrument rating, which is yet more expense to justify.


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[george]

On Oct 18, 5:55*am, wrote:

> And to actually utilize it, you need oxygen, an instrument equiped aircraft
> and a current instrument rating, which is yet more expense to justify.
>

Well -we- always have the locally built PAC Cresco for sale to
interested overseas buyers :-)

[Mark]

On Oct 17, 5:54*am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Why do turbocharged piston props seem to be so rare/unfavored? Don't they
> provide a substantial advantage over normally aspirated engines?

Because electric airplanes are soon to
replace the fossil fueled redneck planes.

http://energysavinggadgets.net/worlds-fast-eco-friendly-airplane/2009061819/

All factors of turbocharged piston props
such as detonation, wastegate management,
compressor stall, a non-negotiable critical
altitude, turbo lag from rotational inertia,
boost thresholds, and high heat oil coking
as well as the components to deal with
these aspects, run up the costs and put the
turbocharged piston planes into speciality
niches, which the fill nicely, eg., small
commercial applications.

Electric planes will replace internal combustion
airplanes. It's a "no-brainer".

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Mark

[Mark]

On Oct 17, 6:55*pm, Nomen Nescio > wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:52:30 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
> > Because
>
> *SHAAADDDDDDDDDDDDUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPPP*
> --http://www.fropper.com/photos/kuldip1950/496742

Because electric airplanes are soon to
replace the fossil fueled redneck planes.

http://energysavinggadgets.net/worlds-fast-eco-friendly-airplane/2009...


All factors of turbocharged piston props
such as detonation, wastegate management,
compressor stall, a non-negotiable critical
altitude, turbo lag from rotational inertia,
boost thresholds, and high heat oil coking
as well as the components to deal with
these aspects, run up the costs and put the
turbocharged piston planes into speciality
niches, which the fill nicely, eg., small
commercial applications.


Electric planes will replace internal combustion
airplanes. It's a "no-brainer".


---
Mark

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Mark > wrote:

> Because electric airplanes are soon to
> replace the fossil fueled redneck planes.

If by soon you mean maybe in 50 years or so.

> http://energysavinggadgets.net/worlds-fast-eco-friendly-airplane/2009...

Oh, wow, a single place airplane that can fly for all of 2 hours.

Whoopee.

> Electric planes will replace internal combustion
> airplanes.

Not in the lifetime of anyone old enough to read this.

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[Mark]

On Oct 17, 9:36*pm, wrote:
> Mark > wrote:
> > Because electric airplanes are soon to
> > replace the fossil fueled redneck planes.
>
> If by soon you mean maybe in 50 years or so.
>
> >http://energysavinggadgets.net/worlds-fast-eco-friendly-airplane/2009...
>
> Oh, wow, a single place airplane that can fly for all of 2 hours.
>
> Whoopee.
>
> > Electric planes will replace internal combustion
> > airplanes.
>
> Not in the lifetime of anyone old enough to read this.
>
> --
> Jim Pennino
>
> Remove .spam.sux to reply.

Polymer exchange membrane fuel cells:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/alternative-fuels/fuel-cell2.htm

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[Ted Sherman]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 05:29:38 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:

> Polymer exchange membrane fuel cells: I invented
> them. In between installing solar roof panels.

OOOOk

[Mark]

On Oct 17, 9:36*pm, wrote:
> Mark > wrote:
> > Because electric airplanes are soon to
> > replace the fossil fueled redneck planes.
>
> If by soon you mean maybe in 50 years or so.
>
> >http://energysavinggadgets.net/worlds-fast-eco-friendly-airplane/2009...
>
> Oh, wow, a single place airplane that can fly for all of 2 hours.
>
> Whoopee.

It will fly for 20 hours by using the proven battery
technology which has already been developed at
the Univ. of Maryland. The "self-assembly" prevalent
with nanoengineering was achieved with the M13
tobacco virus, creating an energy density ten times
that of a lithium ion battery.

---
Mark

[Ari Silverstein]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:24:44 -0400, Ted Sherman wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 05:29:38 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
>
>> Polymer exchange membrane fuel cells: I invented
>> them. In between installing solar roof panels.
>
> OOOOk

Thanks for the update, mark(ie). Wait, shouldn't you be on a roof
somewhere instead of wowing us with your incredibly fukknutzoid
bull****? lol
--
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Motto: Live To Spooge It!

[Ari Silverstein]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 06:54:58 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:

> It will...

Why aren't you at work?
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Motto: Live To Spooge It!

[Mark]

On Oct 17, 12:11*pm, a > wrote:
> On Oct 17, 9:57*am, Ron Wanttaja > wrote:
>
> > On 10/17/2010 2:54 AM, Mxsmanic wrote:
>
> > > Why do turbocharged piston props seem to be so rare/unfavored? Don't they
> > > provide a substantial advantage over normally aspirated engines?
>
> > More expensive to buy, more expensive to maintain, more prone to
> > problems. *Key issues for a private buyer. *For a business purchase, the
> > advantages are mostly ephemeral (arrive fifteen minutes earlier,
> > smoother ride over weather) and are hard to use to justify the
> > additional expense.
>
> > Ron Wanttaja
>
> The reality is, no one has scaled a turbo down to where it might
> replace an IO 360 or IO 540.

This was a topic of interest to me some time
back, and I ran across the Rolls Royce "RR 500"
which was developed to fill the GA turboprop market.

http://www.rolls-royce.com/civil/news/2008/rr_expands_smallengine.jsp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2nD7Nqh7B4

Then there's also the "Gap FJX-2" diesel.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/about/fs01grc.html

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Mark

[Mark]

On Oct 18, 10:06*am, Ari Silverstein > wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 06:54:58 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
> > It will...
>
> Why aren't you at work?
> --
> A fireside chat not with Ari!http://tr.im/holj
> Motto: Live To Spooge It!

I don't work. I invest and invent.

But I see you are at work with your full time
trolling, lying, and sockpuppetry which you
hope will make up for for the very, very poor
job your parents did.

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Mark

[Mark]

On Oct 18, 10:05*am, Ari Silverstein > wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:24:44 -0400, Ted Sherman wrote:
> > On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 05:29:38 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
>
> >> Polymer exchange membrane fuel cells: I invented
> >> them. In between installing solar roof panels.
>
> > OOOOk
>
> Thanks for the update, mark(ie). Wait, shouldn't you be on a roof
> somewhere instead of wowing us with your incredibly fukknutzoid
> bull****? lol
> --
> A fireside chat not with Ari!http://tr.im/holj
> Motto: Live To Spooge It!

Why are you also "Ted Sherman" among 19
other sockpuppets, such as Jeffrey Bloss and
Gezellig, and Mark @ bluerivergay? Is it because
you cannot articulate as yourself without being
seen as an uninformed ****-up? I think so.


Ted Sherman:
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=KxUT1hoAAAB9OuNEzmzM6d7e70SnqEWSG qNTdulQX8Aco_cP2a5buQ

Jeffrey Bloss:
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=xvAOdxYAAABauuC1rrudS2EVggOuJ3IVo 4cocwWvDVg2RHsu8f1bCg

Gezellig:
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Mark (@bluerivergay):
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=frr14RYAAABABJJIA78H47_0Jl-VoSIlys9p7FBvuYqcsrUPIQKVkQ

Ari Silverstein, the troll who runs amuck!
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.aviation.piloting/2010-07/msg00204.html

---
Mark

[Ted Sherman]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:27:41 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:

> This was a topic of interest to me some time
> back, and I invented the Rolls Royce "RR 500"
> which was developed to fill the GA turboprop market.

oooooooK

> http://www.rolls-royce.com/civil/news/2008/rr_expands_smallengine.jsp
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2nD7Nqh7B4
>
> Then there's also the "Gap FJX-2" diesel.
> http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/about/fs01grc.html
> I hold the patent on that one too. Back to the roof,
> another day another solar panel install.
> ---
> Mark

OOOOOOOOOOk!

[Ari Silverstein]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:31:58 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:

> On Oct 18, 10:06*am, Ari Silverstein > wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 06:54:58 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
>>> It will...
>>
>> Why aren't you at work?
>> --
>> A fireside chat not with Ari!http://tr.im/holj
>> Motto: Live To Spooge It!
>
> I don't work.

My bad, right, you lie. lol
--
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http://tr.im/holj
Motto: Live To Spooge It!

[Ari Silverstein]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:31:58 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:

> I don't work. I invest and invent.

Yes, you're quite the inventor allrighty. In the last two days you
have claimed to have invented...

-Polymer exchange membrane fuel cells
-the Rolls Royce "RR 500"
-"Gap FJX-2" diesel
-Dedicated SW reading compass for your solar panel installs.

I'm impressed. Anyone else? lol
--
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http://tr.im/holj
Motto: Live To Spooge It!

[Mark]

On Oct 18, 8:29*am, Mark > wrote:
> On Oct 17, 9:36*pm, wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Mark > wrote:
> > > Because electric airplanes are soon to
> > > replace the fossil fueled redneck planes.
>
> > If by soon you mean maybe in 50 years or so.
>
> > >http://energysavinggadgets.net/worlds-fast-eco-friendly-airplane/2009....
>
> > Oh, wow, a single place airplane that can fly for all of 2 hours.
>
> > Whoopee.
>
> > > Electric planes will replace internal combustion
> > > airplanes.
>
> > Not in the lifetime of anyone old enough to read this.
>
> > --
> > Jim Pennino
>
> > Remove .spam.sux to reply.
>
> Polymer exchange membrane fuel cells:http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/alternative-fuels/fuel-...
>

More specifically, your hydrogen is easily
obtained by even the poorest of solar panels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-M9VU_36NQ&feature=related

--
Mark

[Ari Silverstein]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:31:20 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:

> Mark

Why aren't you at work?
--
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http://tr.im/holj
Motto: Live To Spooge It!

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a > wrote:
> On Oct 17, 9:57Â*am, Ron Wanttaja > wrote:
>> On 10/17/2010 2:54 AM, Mxsmanic wrote:
>>
>> > Why do turbocharged piston props seem to be so rare/unfavored? Don't they
>> > provide a substantial advantage over normally aspirated engines?
>>
>> More expensive to buy, more expensive to maintain, more prone to
>> problems. Â*Key issues for a private buyer. Â*For a business purchase, the
>> advantages are mostly ephemeral (arrive fifteen minutes earlier,
>> smoother ride over weather) and are hard to use to justify the
>> additional expense.
>>
>> Ron Wanttaja
>
> The reality is, no one has scaled a turbo down to where it might
> replace an IO 360 or IO 540.

There are turbine engines as small as a pound or so.

The reality is the flight profile of smaller GA aircraft is not a good fit
to how a turbine works best, i.e. sustained flight at altitude.


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Mark > wrote:
> On Oct 17, 9:36Â*pm, wrote:
>> Mark > wrote:
>> > Because electric airplanes are soon to
>> > replace the fossil fueled redneck planes.
>>
>> If by soon you mean maybe in 50 years or so.
>>
>> >http://energysavinggadgets.net/worlds-fast-eco-friendly-airplane/2009...
>>
>> Oh, wow, a single place airplane that can fly for all of 2 hours.
>>
>> Whoopee.
>>
>> > Electric planes will replace internal combustion
>> > airplanes.
>>
>> Not in the lifetime of anyone old enough to read this.
>>
>> --
>> Jim Pennino
>>
>> Remove .spam.sux to reply.
>
> Polymer exchange membrane fuel cells:
> http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/alternative-fuels/fuel-cell2.htm
>

Let us know when you can run any vehicle on a press release.

At least you've switched your naive hopes from batteries to a technology
that might actually someday be viable as a practical energy source for
vehicles.

BTW, aren't you supposed to be installing solar energy systems?


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Mark > wrote:
> On Oct 18, 8:29Â*am, Mark > wrote:
>> On Oct 17, 9:36Â*pm, wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Mark > wrote:
>> > > Because electric airplanes are soon to
>> > > replace the fossil fueled redneck planes.
>>
>> > If by soon you mean maybe in 50 years or so.
>>
>> > >http://energysavinggadgets.net/worlds-fast-eco-friendly-airplane/2009...
>>
>> > Oh, wow, a single place airplane that can fly for all of 2 hours.
>>
>> > Whoopee.
>>
>> > > Electric planes will replace internal combustion
>> > > airplanes.
>>
>> > Not in the lifetime of anyone old enough to read this.
>>
>> > --
>> > Jim Pennino
>>
>> > Remove .spam.sux to reply.
>>
>> Polymer exchange membrane fuel cells:http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/alternative-fuels/fuel-...
>>
>
> More specifically, your hydrogen is easily
> obtained by even the poorest of solar panels.

Typical naive comment; it is techincally easy to obtain hydrogen though not
particularly cheap to do so and a giant pain in the butt to collect, store,
and transport.

As usual, no sense whatsoever for the big picture, much like your thinking
that Part 141 schools are the entirety of flight training.


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Mark > wrote:
> On Oct 17, 9:36Â*pm, wrote:
>> Mark > wrote:
>> > Because electric airplanes are soon to
>> > replace the fossil fueled redneck planes.
>>
>> If by soon you mean maybe in 50 years or so.
>>
>> >http://energysavinggadgets.net/worlds-fast-eco-friendly-airplane/2009...
>>
>> Oh, wow, a single place airplane that can fly for all of 2 hours.
>>
>> Whoopee.
>
> It will fly for 20 hours by using the proven battery
> technology which has already been developed at
> the Univ. of Maryland. The "self-assembly" prevalent
> with nanoengineering was achieved with the M13
> tobacco virus, creating an energy density ten times
> that of a lithium ion battery.

You mean it will fly powered by a breathless press release and doesn't
need a battery that is actually in production?


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[george]

On Oct 19, 6:35*am, wrote:

> Typical naive comment; it is techincally easy to obtain hydrogen though not
> particularly cheap to do so and a giant pain in the butt to collect, store,
> and transport.

The Zeppelin was an example of hydrogen and aviation not mixing

[Mark]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 13:17:48 -0700 (PDT), george wrote:

> The Zeppelin was an example of hydrogen and aviation not mixing

Yeah, what a memory. There we were, shoulder to shoulder my hands in
my pants, on the football field, even though it was before a baseball
game, packed in like sardines. Me, my teddy bear and soon-to-be-dead
Tiger Boy, my pussycat.

The smell of cannabis filled the air. I don't smoke, it draws out my
manic depression.

This special night was different from the Grand Funk Railroad or the
Three Dog Night or Liberace concerts I never attended there. In my
mind, I was. On the football field, where they were awaiting to play
a Braves game. In May when NFL football didn't play.

1973 National Football League season
Regular season
Duration *September 16, 1973 - December 16, 1973*

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/1973_NFL_season

At one point the lights went total black-out, then suddenly the entire
room and immediate area (closet) were drenched in blue light. I began
to sing "My Room" by the Beach Boys because I sure as **** wasn't at
Fulton County Stadium on May 4th, 1973.

Nothing but blue. Next came the "smoke" of dry ice. It was like London
fog in blue. I guess, never been out of South Carolina, The
Mississippi of the East.

Yes it was "Stairway to Heaven" time. Boy was I suprised
at what came next. Tiger Boy jumped on my Philco and killed the
turntable. this was the day I decided to kill him.

Suddenly I released hundreds and hundreds of white fleas! It didn't
quite work out as planned. Except for the few that momentarilly
circled, they basically just flew away. **** me again.

But there was no disappointment. Those first few notes of
"Stairway" took us where I needed to be. Up the stairs to the cool
breasts of my Mommy.

There, in the moment listening to the most famous song in the world. I
turned and looked at my Mommy, Judy ( "Judy blue eyes"), and she
said...

"Mark, get your goddamned hands off my tits and go to sleep. You have
school in the morning".

<my son is a freak>

Mark

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[Mark]

On Oct 18, 1:31*pm, wrote:
> Mark > wrote:
> > On Oct 17, 9:36*pm, wrote:
> >> Mark > wrote:
> >> > Because electric airplanes are soon to
> >> > replace the fossil fueled redneck planes.
>
> >> If by soon you mean maybe in 50 years or so.
>
> >> >http://energysavinggadgets.net/worlds-fast-eco-friendly-airplane/2009....
>
> >> Oh, wow, a single place airplane that can fly for all of 2 hours.
>
> >> Whoopee.
>
> >> > Electric planes will replace internal combustion
> >> > airplanes.
>
> >> Not in the lifetime of anyone old enough to read this.
>
> >> --
> >> Jim Pennino
>
> >> Remove .spam.sux to reply.
>
> > Polymer exchange membrane fuel cells:
> >http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/alternative-fuels/fuel-...
>
> Let us know when you can run any vehicle on a press release.

Ha ha! Let you know when fuel cells run cars? Heh!
Guess you haven't hear about Iceland.

> At least you've switched your naive hopes from batteries to a technology
> that might actually someday be viable as a practical energy source for
> vehicles.

No, the batteries have already been invented. They
just haven't been manufactured for consumers yet.

> BTW, aren't you supposed to be installing solar energy systems?

No sir, I never said that at all. I accepted a partnership
which allows me to see the development and
implementation of cutting edge technology, as
my proof of concept mass marketing model
described. I don't fool with micromanagement of
labor. That's what the people who work under
partner do.

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[Mark]

On Oct 18, 1:37*pm, wrote:
> Mark > wrote:
> > On Oct 17, 9:36*pm, wrote:
> >> Mark > wrote:
> >> > Because electric airplanes are soon to
> >> > replace the fossil fueled redneck planes.
>
> >> If by soon you mean maybe in 50 years or so.
>
> >> >http://energysavinggadgets.net/worlds-fast-eco-friendly-airplane/2009....
>
> >> Oh, wow, a single place airplane that can fly for all of 2 hours.
>
> >> Whoopee.
>
> > It will fly for 20 hours by using the proven battery
> > technology which has already been developed at
> > the Univ. of Maryland. The "self-assembly" prevalent
> > with nanoengineering was achieved with the M13
> > tobacco virus, creating an energy density ten times
> > that of a lithium ion battery.
>
> You mean it will fly powered by a breathless press release and doesn't
> need a battery that is actually in production?

You mean it should be kept a secret until they
carry it at Walmart? (cause you keep implying this)

Guess you don't know what proof of concept means.

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[Mark]

On Oct 18, 1:35*pm, wrote:
> Mark > wrote:
> > On Oct 18, 8:29*am, Mark > wrote:
> >> On Oct 17, 9:36*pm, wrote:
>
> >> > Mark > wrote:
> >> > > Because electric airplanes are soon to
> >> > > replace the fossil fueled redneck planes.
>
> >> > If by soon you mean maybe in 50 years or so.
>
> >> > >http://energysavinggadgets.net/worlds-fast-eco-friendly-airplane/2009...
>
> >> > Oh, wow, a single place airplane that can fly for all of 2 hours.
>
> >> > Whoopee.
>
> >> > > Electric planes will replace internal combustion
> >> > > airplanes.
>
> >> > Not in the lifetime of anyone old enough to read this.
>
> >> > --
> >> > Jim Pennino
>
> >> > Remove .spam.sux to reply.
>
> >> Polymer exchange membrane fuel cells:http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/alternative-fuels/fuel-...
>
> > More specifically, your hydrogen is easily
> > obtained by even the poorest of solar panels.
>
> Typical naive comment; it is techincally easy to obtain hydrogen though not
> particularly cheap to do so and a giant pain in the butt to collect, store,
> and transport.

Once again, you don't know what either I, or you,
are talking about. Artificial photosynthesis splits
water at low voltage, and the recombination of it
creates electric voltage. This will charge batteries
to serve all our flying needs.

> As usual, no sense whatsoever for the big picture, much like your thinking
> that Part 141 schools are the entirety of flight training.

I never made that claim. You got lost (as usual) in
your own alzheimer world of pig headedness. I simply
told you that at a 141 school they won't give you credit
to just go and practice what interests you, and in
most cases they won't give you the plane keys. In
turn, you wasted considerable bandwidth arguing
different topics as your mind meandered to them.

End of Story.

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[Mark]

On Oct 18, 1:35*pm, wrote:

> > More specifically, your hydrogen is easily
> > obtained by even the poorest of solar panels.
>
> Typical naive comment; it is techincally easy to obtain hydrogen though not
> particularly cheap to do so and a giant pain in the butt to collect, store,
> and transport.

It is very cheap to obtain hydrogen, easy to
collect, easy to store, easy to transport. This
is a fact. But there is no need to transport it
anywhere. It is best used to make electricity.

---
Mark

[Mark]

On Oct 18, 4:17*pm, george > wrote:
> On Oct 19, 6:35*am, wrote:
>
> > Typical naive comment; it is techincally easy to obtain hydrogen though not
> > particularly cheap to do so and a giant pain in the butt to collect, store,
> > and transport.
>
> The Zeppelin was an example of hydrogen and aviation not mixing

The Hindenburg was sabotaged.

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Mark

[Ted Sherman]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:18:21 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:

> It is very cheap to obtain hydrogen, easy to
> collect, easy to store, easy to transport. This
> is a fact. But there is no need to transport it
> anywhere. It is best used to make electricity.
> I invented hydrogen. In fact, I fart it.
> ---
> Mark

ooooooooooooooooooooooooK

[Ari Silverstein]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:21:56 -0400, Ted Sherman wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:18:21 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
>
>> It is very cheap to obtain hydrogen, easy to
>> collect, easy to store, easy to transport. This
>> is a fact. But there is no need to transport it
>> anywhere. It is best used to make electricity.
>> I invented hydrogen. In fact, I fart it.
>> ---
>> Mark
>
> ooooooooooooooooooooooooK

Would you consider lighting one of those farts and blowing your butt
off?

TIA.

lol
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[bert]

On Oct 18, 7:23*pm, Ari Silverstein > wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:21:56 -0400, Ted Sherman wrote:
> > On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:18:21 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:
>
> >> It is very cheap to obtain hydrogen, easy to
> >> collect, easy to store, easy to transport. This
> >> is a fact. But there is no need to transport it
> >> anywhere. It is best used to make electricity.
> >> I invented hydrogen. In fact, I fart it.
> >> ---
> >> Mark
>
> > ooooooooooooooooooooooooK
>
> Would you consider lighting one of those farts and blowing your butt
> off?
>
> TIA.
>
> lol
> --
> A fireside chat not with Ari!http://tr.im/holj
> Motto: Live To Spooge It!

Water and steam turbos are every where. TreBert

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Mark > wrote:
> On Oct 18, 1:35Â*pm, wrote:
>> Mark > wrote:
>> > On Oct 18, 8:29Â*am, Mark > wrote:
>> >> On Oct 17, 9:36Â*pm, wrote:
>>
>> >> > Mark > wrote:
>> >> > > Because electric airplanes are soon to
>> >> > > replace the fossil fueled redneck planes.
>>
>> >> > If by soon you mean maybe in 50 years or so.
>>
>> >> > >http://energysavinggadgets.net/worlds-fast-eco-friendly-airplane/2009...
>>
>> >> > Oh, wow, a single place airplane that can fly for all of 2 hours.
>>
>> >> > Whoopee.
>>
>> >> > > Electric planes will replace internal combustion
>> >> > > airplanes.
>>
>> >> > Not in the lifetime of anyone old enough to read this.
>>
>> >> > --
>> >> > Jim Pennino
>>
>> >> > Remove .spam.sux to reply.
>>
>> >> Polymer exchange membrane fuel cells:http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/alternative-fuels/fuel-...
>>
>> > More specifically, your hydrogen is easily
>> > obtained by even the poorest of solar panels.
>>
>> Typical naive comment; it is techincally easy to obtain hydrogen though not
>> particularly cheap to do so and a giant pain in the butt to collect, store,
>> and transport.
>
> Once again, you don't know what either I, or you,
> are talking about. Artificial photosynthesis splits
> water at low voltage, and the recombination of it
> creates electric voltage. This will charge batteries
> to serve all our flying needs.

Maybe in theory, but it has nothing to do with your statement of "...your
hydrogen is is easily..."

Artificial photosynthesis is yet another labratory "product" with no
practical applications or product in sight just like all your other
marvels that will be here "any day now".

>> As usual, no sense whatsoever for the big picture, much like your thinking
>> that Part 141 schools are the entirety of flight training.
>
> I never made that claim.

Correct, you never made that precise statement; what you did was extrapolate
on the requirement for Part 141 schools to have a FAA approved syllabus
and applied that requirement to all flight training, which is nonsense.

Moreover you claimed the FAA provides the syllabus, which is more nonsense.


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Mark > wrote:
> On Oct 18, 1:31Â*pm, wrote:
>> Mark > wrote:
>> > On Oct 17, 9:36Â*pm, wrote:
>> >> Mark > wrote:
>> >> > Because electric airplanes are soon to
>> >> > replace the fossil fueled redneck planes.
>>
>> >> If by soon you mean maybe in 50 years or so.
>>
>> >> >http://energysavinggadgets.net/worlds-fast-eco-friendly-airplane/2009...
>>
>> >> Oh, wow, a single place airplane that can fly for all of 2 hours.
>>
>> >> Whoopee.
>>
>> >> > Electric planes will replace internal combustion
>> >> > airplanes.
>>
>> >> Not in the lifetime of anyone old enough to read this.
>>
>> >> --
>> >> Jim Pennino
>>
>> >> Remove .spam.sux to reply.
>>
>> > Polymer exchange membrane fuel cells:
>> >http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/alternative-fuels/fuel-...
>>
>> Let us know when you can run any vehicle on a press release.
>
> Ha ha! Let you know when fuel cells run cars? Heh!
> Guess you haven't hear about Iceland.

Where's the production car available to the general public?

Yeah, that's right, it doesn't exist other than as press releases.

>> At least you've switched your naive hopes from batteries to a technology
>> that might actually someday be viable as a practical energy source for
>> vehicles.
>
> No, the batteries have already been invented. They
> just haven't been manufactured for consumers yet.

The word "invented" does not mean "practical", "producable", or "affordable".


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Mark > wrote:
> On Oct 18, 1:37Â*pm, wrote:
>> Mark > wrote:
>> > On Oct 17, 9:36Â*pm, wrote:
>> >> Mark > wrote:
>> >> > Because electric airplanes are soon to
>> >> > replace the fossil fueled redneck planes.
>>
>> >> If by soon you mean maybe in 50 years or so.
>>
>> >> >http://energysavinggadgets.net/worlds-fast-eco-friendly-airplane/2009...
>>
>> >> Oh, wow, a single place airplane that can fly for all of 2 hours.
>>
>> >> Whoopee.
>>
>> > It will fly for 20 hours by using the proven battery
>> > technology which has already been developed at
>> > the Univ. of Maryland. The "self-assembly" prevalent
>> > with nanoengineering was achieved with the M13
>> > tobacco virus, creating an energy density ten times
>> > that of a lithium ion battery.
>>
>> You mean it will fly powered by a breathless press release and doesn't
>> need a battery that is actually in production?
>
> You mean it should be kept a secret until they
> carry it at Walmart? (cause you keep implying this)

No, I mean it doesn't exist as a production item and probably won't in the
lifetime of anyone currently reading this.

The value of a press release is the value of the paper it is printed on at
the recycle center.

> Guess you don't know what proof of concept means.

I know what "proof of concept" means.

What you don't seem to know is that "proof of concept" does not mean any
of "producable", "in production", "practical", or "affordable".


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[Mark]

On Oct 18, 7:39*pm, wrote:
> Mark > wrote:
> > On Oct 18, 1:31*pm, wrote:
> >> Mark > wrote:
> >> > On Oct 17, 9:36*pm, wrote:
> >> >> Mark > wrote:
> >> >> > Because electric airplanes are soon to
> >> >> > replace the fossil fueled redneck planes.
>
> >> >> If by soon you mean maybe in 50 years or so.
>
> >> >> >http://energysavinggadgets.net/worlds-fast-eco-friendly-airplane/2009...
>
> >> >> Oh, wow, a single place airplane that can fly for all of 2 hours.
>
> >> >> Whoopee.
>
> >> >> > Electric planes will replace internal combustion
> >> >> > airplanes.
>
> >> >> Not in the lifetime of anyone old enough to read this.
>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Jim Pennino
>
> >> >> Remove .spam.sux to reply.
>
> >> > Polymer exchange membrane fuel cells:
> >> >http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/alternative-fuels/fuel-....
>
> >> Let us know when you can run any vehicle on a press release.
>
> > Ha ha! *Let you know when fuel cells run cars? *Heh!
> > Guess you haven't hear about Iceland.
>
> Where's the production car available to the general public?
>
> Yeah, that's right, it doesn't exist other than as press releases.
>
> >> At least you've switched your naive hopes from batteries to a technology
> >> that might actually someday be viable as a practical energy source for
> >> vehicles.
>
> > No, the batteries have already been invented. They
> > just haven't been manufactured for consumers yet.
>
> The word "invented" does not mean "practical", "producable", or "affordable".
>
> --
> Jim Pennino
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

I won't follow you down a jackass rabbit
hole. You don't even have a clue what I'm
talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtmU2lD97o

---
Mark

[Mark]

On Oct 18, 7:43*pm, wrote:
> Mark > wrote:
> > On Oct 18, 1:37*pm, wrote:
> >> Mark > wrote:
> >> > On Oct 17, 9:36*pm, wrote:
> >> >> Mark > wrote:
> >> >> > Because electric airplanes are soon to
> >> >> > replace the fossil fueled redneck planes.
>
> >> >> If by soon you mean maybe in 50 years or so.
>
> >> >> >http://energysavinggadgets.net/worlds-fast-eco-friendly-airplane/2009...
>
> >> >> Oh, wow, a single place airplane that can fly for all of 2 hours.
>
> >> >> Whoopee.
>
> >> > It will fly for 20 hours by using the proven battery
> >> > technology which has already been developed at
> >> > the Univ. of Maryland. The "self-assembly" prevalent
> >> > with nanoengineering was achieved with the M13
> >> > tobacco virus, creating an energy density ten times
> >> > that of a lithium ion battery.
>
> >> You mean it will fly powered by a breathless press release and doesn't
> >> need a battery that is actually in production?
>
> > You mean it should be kept a secret until they
> > carry it at Walmart? (cause you keep implying this)
>
> No, I mean it doesn't exist as a production item and probably won't in the
> lifetime of anyone currently reading this.
>
> The value of a press release is the value of the paper it is printed on at
> the recycle center.
>
> > Guess you don't know what proof of concept means.
>
> I know what "proof of concept" means.
>
> What you don't seem to know is that "proof of concept" does not mean any
> of "producable", "in production", "practical", or "affordable".
>
> --
> Jim Pennino
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

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[Mark]

On Oct 18, 7:36*pm, wrote:
> Mark > wrote:
> > On Oct 18, 1:35*pm, wrote:
> >> Mark > wrote:
> >> > On Oct 18, 8:29*am, Mark > wrote:
> >> >> On Oct 17, 9:36*pm, wrote:
>
> >> >> > Mark > wrote:
> >> >> > > Because electric airplanes are soon to
> >> >> > > replace the fossil fueled redneck planes.
>
> >> >> > If by soon you mean maybe in 50 years or so.
>
> >> >> > >http://energysavinggadgets.net/worlds-fast-eco-friendly-airplane/2009...
>
> >> >> > Oh, wow, a single place airplane that can fly for all of 2 hours.
>
> >> >> > Whoopee.
>
> >> >> > > Electric planes will replace internal combustion
> >> >> > > airplanes.
>
> >> >> > Not in the lifetime of anyone old enough to read this.
>
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Jim Pennino
>
> >> >> > Remove .spam.sux to reply.
>
> >> >> Polymer exchange membrane fuel cells:http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/alternative-fuels/fuel-...
>
> >> > More specifically, your hydrogen is easily
> >> > obtained by even the poorest of solar panels.
>
> >> Typical naive comment; it is techincally easy to obtain hydrogen though not
> >> particularly cheap to do so and a giant pain in the butt to collect, store,
> >> and transport.
>
> > Once again, you don't know what either I, or you,
> > are talking about. *Artificial photosynthesis splits
> > water at low voltage, and the recombination of it
> > creates electric voltage. This will charge batteries
> > to serve all our flying needs.
>
> Maybe in theory, but it has nothing to do with your statement of "...your
> hydrogen is is easily..."
>
> Artificial photosynthesis is yet another labratory "product" with no
> practical applications or product in sight just like all your other
> marvels that will be here "any day now".

Such as electric cars that go 300 miles
on a charge which you say are nonexistent?

You're clueless. At least watch this to
get an idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtmU2lD97o

> >> As usual, no sense whatsoever for the big picture, much like your thinking
> >> that Part 141 schools are the entirety of flight training.
>
> > I never made that claim.
>
> Correct, you never made that precise statement

Then why say it? I never claimed anything even
remotely like that. Furthermore I've already clarified
this more than once. It doesn't sink in with you.

> what you did was extrapolate
> on the requirement for Part 141 schools to have a FAA approved syllabus

I didn't extrapolate it. I actually cited the FAA
far which specified it. But you apparently can't read.

> and applied that requirement to all flight training,

That's patently untrue and nothing short of a lie. You
are the one that tried to change the subject to include
all flight training, not me.

> which is nonsense.
>
> Moreover you claimed the FAA provides the syllabus,

I never claimed that. That's a lie.

>which is more nonsense.

You're wasting my time again due to your
"comprehension problem".


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Mark > wrote:

> Such as electric cars that go 300 miles
> on a charge which you say are nonexistent?

Make, model, MSRP?

> You're clueless. At least watch this to
> get an idea.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtmU2lD97o

Whoopee, a babbling youtube video.

> I didn't extrapolate it. I actually cited the FAA
> far which specified it.

Lying sack, it was more of your arm waving generalizations that started all
that and you didn't cite anything until several posts in.

>> Moreover you claimed the FAA provides the syllabus,
>
> I never claimed that. That's a lie.

Lying sack, you claimed it several times.


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Mark > wrote:
> On Oct 18, 1:35Â*pm, wrote:
>
>> > More specifically, your hydrogen is easily
>> > obtained by even the poorest of solar panels.
>>
>> Typical naive comment; it is techincally easy to obtain hydrogen though not
>> particularly cheap to do so and a giant pain in the butt to collect, store,
>> and transport.
>
> It is very cheap to obtain hydrogen, easy to
> collect, easy to store, easy to transport. This
> is a fact. But there is no need to transport it
> anywhere. It is best used to make electricity.

Delusional nonsense.

For starters it costs more to make hydrogen than the value of any electricity
you could get by burning it to get electricity.

The rest is just childish nonsense.

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Mark > wrote:

> I won't follow you down a jackass rabbit
> hole. You don't even have a clue what I'm
> talking about.

You haven't a clue what you are talking about most of the time.

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Mark > wrote:
> On Oct 18, 7:43Â*pm, wrote:
>> Mark > wrote:
>> > On Oct 18, 1:37Â*pm, wrote:
>> >> Mark > wrote:
>> >> > On Oct 17, 9:36Â*pm, wrote:
>> >> >> Mark > wrote:
>> >> >> > Because electric airplanes are soon to
>> >> >> > replace the fossil fueled redneck planes.
>>
>> >> >> If by soon you mean maybe in 50 years or so.
>>
>> >> >> >http://energysavinggadgets.net/worlds-fast-eco-friendly-airplane/2009...
>>
>> >> >> Oh, wow, a single place airplane that can fly for all of 2 hours.
>>
>> >> >> Whoopee.
>>
>> >> > It will fly for 20 hours by using the proven battery
>> >> > technology which has already been developed at
>> >> > the Univ. of Maryland. The "self-assembly" prevalent
>> >> > with nanoengineering was achieved with the M13
>> >> > tobacco virus, creating an energy density ten times
>> >> > that of a lithium ion battery.
>>
>> >> You mean it will fly powered by a breathless press release and doesn't
>> >> need a battery that is actually in production?
>>
>> > You mean it should be kept a secret until they
>> > carry it at Walmart? (cause you keep implying this)
>>
>> No, I mean it doesn't exist as a production item and probably won't in the
>> lifetime of anyone currently reading this.
>>
>> The value of a press release is the value of the paper it is printed on at
>> the recycle center.
>>
>> > Guess you don't know what proof of concept means.
>>
>> I know what "proof of concept" means.
>>
>> What you don't seem to know is that "proof of concept" does not mean any
>> of "producable", "in production", "practical", or "affordable".
>>
>> --
>> Jim Pennino
>>
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>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtmU2lD97o

Oh, wow, yet another gibbering fool on youtube.



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[VOR-DME[_4_]]

In article >,
says...
>
>
>Why do turbocharged piston props seem to be so rare/unfavored? Don't they
>provide a substantial advantage over normally aspirated engines?


This only "seems to be" true for someone who has not researched the
subject. In virtually every case, when a standard piston model gets a
turbocharged upgrade, the "turbo" version outsells the normally aspirated
version by a healthy margin. They are extremely popular and common.

http://www.flyingmag.com/pilot-reports/pistons/cessna-turbo-skylane

[Mxsmanic]

VOR-DME writes:

> This only "seems to be" true for someone who has not researched the
> subject. In virtually every case, when a standard piston model gets a
> turbocharged upgrade, the "turbo" version outsells the normally aspirated
> version by a healthy margin. They are extremely popular and common.

Then why have turbos come and gone so often?

[VOR-DME[_4_]]

In article >,
says...
>
>
>VOR-DME writes:
>
>> This only "seems to be" true for someone who has not researched the
>> subject. In virtually every case, when a standard piston model gets a
>> turbocharged upgrade, the "turbo" version outsells the normally aspirated
>> version by a healthy margin. They are extremely popular and common.
>
>Then why have turbos come and gone so often?
Airplanes come and go all the time - that's their purpose in life!
Seriously I don't understand the question.

A turbo version is a marketing choice manufacturers make, based on their
conviction that a particular model will have added appeal in this
configuration.For a C-172 it doesn't make a lot of sense, because it is
bought and used more for training and economic transport than for long
distance, and anyone looking at a 172 is definitely not looking in the "fast"
market. As soon as you get into a 182, people are looking for not only more
speed, but more utility. Mountain dwellers will naturally be looking into
turbos. The "fast" crowd is completely addicted. Cirrus buyers are not
looking at turbo or normally aspirated, but at "which" turbo they want - the
Tornado Alley turbonormalized package, or the Cirrus factory-built
turbocharged version.

Come and go? The turbocharged 182 has been a mainstay for decades, aside the
pre-GARA hiatus. Same for many Pipers. You won't find many of them in the
aero-club circuit, as they represent higher maintenance costs for little
added training value, but amongst owners they have been a favorite for
decades, and justifiably so.

[Volitan]

Why are they rare. Three words, $$$

[hierophant[_2_]]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:41:34 -0400, Mark wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 13:17:48 -0700 (PDT), george wrote:
>
>> The Zeppelin was an example of hydrogen and aviation not mixing
>
> Yeah, what a memory. There we were, shoulder to shoulder my hands in
> my pants, on the football field, even though it was before a baseball
> game, packed in like sardines. Me, my teddy bear and soon-to-be-dead
> Tiger Boy, my pussycat.
>
> The smell of cannabis filled the air. I don't smoke, it draws out my
> manic depression.
>
> This special night was different from the Grand Funk Railroad or the
> Three Dog Night or Liberace concerts I never attended there. In my
> mind, I was. On the football field, where they were awaiting to play
> a Braves game. In May when NFL football didn't play.
>
> 1973 National Football League season
> Regular season
> Duration *September 16, 1973 - December 16, 1973*
>
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/1973_NFL_season
>
> At one point the lights went total black-out, then suddenly the entire
> room and immediate area (closet) were drenched in blue light. I began
> to sing "My Room" by the Beach Boys because I sure as **** wasn't at
> Fulton County Stadium on May 4th, 1973.
>
> Nothing but blue. Next came the "smoke" of dry ice. It was like London
> fog in blue. I guess, never been out of South Carolina, The
> Mississippi of the East.
>
> Yes it was "Stairway to Heaven" time. Boy was I suprised
> at what came next. Tiger Boy jumped on my Philco and killed the
> turntable. this was the day I decided to kill him.
>
> Suddenly I released hundreds and hundreds of white fleas! It didn't
> quite work out as planned. Except for the few that momentarilly
> circled, they basically just flew away. **** me again.
>
> But there was no disappointment. Those first few notes of
> "Stairway" took us where I needed to be. Up the stairs to the cool
> breasts of my Mommy.
>
> There, in the moment listening to the most famous song in the world. I
> turned and looked at my Mommy, Judy ( "Judy blue eyes"), and she
> said...
>
> "Mark, get your goddamned hands off my tits and go to sleep. You have
> school in the morning".
>
> <my son is a freak>
>
> Mark

> http://gayincarolina.jottit.com/mark_knows_led_zeppelin_!!

Quite a story, Mark, thanks for sharing this wonderful adventure! ;)

[Mark IV]

On Apr 23, 10:13*am, hierophant > wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:41:34 -0400, Mark wrote:
> > On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 13:17:48 -0700 (PDT), george wrote:
>
> >> The Zeppelin was an example of hydrogen and aviation not mixing
>
> > Yeah, what a memory. *There we were, shoulder to shoulder my hands in
> > my pants, on the football field, even though it was before a baseball
> > game, packed in like sardines. Me, my teddy bear and soon-to-be-dead
> > Tiger Boy, my pussycat.
>
> > The smell of cannabis filled the air. I don't smoke, it draws out my
> > manic depression.
>
> > This special night was different from the Grand Funk Railroad or the
> > Three Dog Night or Liberace concerts I never attended there. In my
> > mind, I was. On the football field, where they were awaiting to play
> > a Braves game. In May when NFL football didn't play.
>
> > 1973 National Football League season
> > Regular season
> > Duration * *September 16, 1973 - December 16, 1973*
>
> >https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/1973_NFL_season
>
> > At one point the lights went total black-out, then suddenly the entire
> > room and immediate area (closet) were drenched in blue light. I began
> > to sing "My Room" by the Beach Boys because I sure as **** wasn't at
> > Fulton County Stadium on May 4th, 1973.
>
> > Nothing but blue. Next came the "smoke" of dry ice. It was like London
> > fog in blue. I guess, never been out of South Carolina, The
> > Mississippi of the East.
>
> > Yes it was "Stairway to Heaven" time. Boy was I suprised
> > at what came next. Tiger Boy jumped on my Philco and killed the
> > turntable. this was the day I decided to kill him.
>
> > Suddenly I released hundreds and hundreds of white fleas! *It didn't
> > quite work out as planned. Except for the few that momentarilly
> > circled, they basically just flew away. **** me again.
>
> > But there was no disappointment. Those first few notes of
> > "Stairway" took us where I needed to be. Up the stairs to the cool
> > breasts of my Mommy.
>
> > There, in the moment listening to the most famous song in the world. I
> > turned and looked at my Mommy, Judy ( "Judy blue eyes"), and she
> > said...
>
> > "Mark, get your goddamned hands off my tits and go to sleep. You have
> > school in the morning".
>
> > <my son is a freak>
>
> > Mark
> >http://gayincarolina.jottit.com/mark_knows_led_zeppelin_!!
>
> Quite a story, Mark, thanks for sharing this wonderful adventure! ;)

That's nothing. Wait'll I tell you about the
Rolling Stones in Dallas Texas. Call me
at home and get the juicy details.
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