double wide trailer

[Tony[_5_]]

i know its been done a few times. I've heard of a husband/wife duo of
Libelles that had a double trailer. Also I've seen a double 1-26 open
trailer. Leah and I only have one pickup but two gliders and tend to
like to go places together. I'd like to solicit opinions (dangerous
thing to do here!) on how you would design a trailer to fit two
gliders, namely two Cherokee II's. It may require some creativity as
they have a fixed center section approx 3 ft wide. I'd like something
enclosed. Stable while empty or with one or both gliders loaded.

[bildan]

On Oct 18, 2:40*pm, Tony > wrote:
> i know its been done a few times. *I've heard of a husband/wife duo of
> Libelles that had a double trailer. *Also I've seen a double 1-26 open
> trailer. *Leah and I only have one pickup but two gliders and tend to
> like to go places together. *I'd like to solicit opinions (dangerous
> thing to do here!) on how you would design a trailer to fit two
> gliders, namely two Cherokee II's. *It may require some creativity as
> they have a fixed center section approx 3 ft wide. *I'd like something
> enclosed. *Stable while empty or with one or both gliders loaded.

The usual max width for interstate highways is 102 inches plus 5" for
necessary protuberances like mirrors. That's pretty wide but it could
still be a squeeze for two gliders side-by side. Maybe put the
fuselages in the middle one nose aft and the other nose forward. The
wings could be on tracks to the outside with the tips in opposite
directions. It's doable - especially with a small glider like the
Cherokee II.

[[email protected]]

On Oct 18, 1:40*pm, Tony > wrote:
> i know its been done a few times. *I've heard of a husband/wife duo of
> Libelles that had a double trailer. *Also I've seen a double 1-26 open
> trailer. *Leah and I only have one pickup but two gliders and tend to
> like to go places together. *I'd like to solicit opinions (dangerous
> thing to do here!) on how you would design a trailer to fit two
> gliders, namely two Cherokee II's. *It may require some creativity as
> they have a fixed center section approx 3 ft wide. *I'd like something
> enclosed. *Stable while empty or with one or both gliders loaded.

Just buy a 2 seater...

[Craig[_2_]]

On Oct 18, 4:11*pm, " >
wrote:
> On Oct 18, 1:40*pm, Tony > wrote:
>
> > i know its been done a few times. *I've heard of a husband/wife duo of
> > Libelles that had a double trailer. *Also I've seen a double 1-26 open
> > trailer. *Leah and I only have one pickup but two gliders and tend to
> > like to go places together. *I'd like to solicit opinions (dangerous
> > thing to do here!) on how you would design a trailer to fit two
> > gliders, namely two Cherokee II's. *It may require some creativity as
> > they have a fixed center section approx 3 ft wide. *I'd like something
> > enclosed. *Stable while empty or with one or both gliders loaded.
>
> Just buy a 2 seater...

It shouldn't be too difficult if they are loaded with one fuselage
facing forward and one backward. I've had trailers that loaded over
the tongue so and it wasn't a problem. You might even be able to set
it up so that one loads from one end and one from the other. That way
they can be used independently.

What a nice problem to have ;-)

Cheers,
Craig Funston

[harold]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:11:58 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Oct 18, 1:40*pm, Tony > wrote:
>> i know its been done a few times. *I've heard of a husband/wife duo of
>> Libelles that had a double trailer. *Also I've seen a double 1-26 open
>> trailer. *Leah and I only have one pickup but two gliders and tend to
>> like to go places together. *I'd like to solicit opinions (dangerous
>> thing to do here!) on how you would design a trailer to fit two
>> gliders, namely two Cherokee II's. *It may require some creativity as
>> they have a fixed center section approx 3 ft wide. *I'd like something
>> enclosed. *Stable while empty or with one or both gliders loaded.
>
>Just buy a 2 seater...

A two seater is obviously not what they want. The poster asked a
reasonable question. Why do you fell the need to be an a-hole and
make such a stupid comment?

[[email protected]]

> >Just buy a 2 seater...
>
> A two seater is obviously not what they want. *The poster asked a
> reasonable question. *Why do *you fell the need to be an a-hole and
> make such a stupid comment?

Harold;

I was going to comment and invoke the glass-hole syndrome, but you did
a much better job.

aerodyne

[Tony[_5_]]

now now guys everyone play nice.

[John Bojack[_2_]]

I think I saw Jim Stoia (sp?) show up at Perry one year with two Libelles in
one trailer.....remember thinking it was a very slick and efficient set-up,
but don't remember the specifics. He lives in South Carolina.

J4

[rlovinggood]

On Oct 19, 7:09*am, "John Bojack" > wrote:
> I think I saw Jim Stoia (sp?) show up at Perry one year with two Libelles in
> one trailer.....remember thinking it was a very slick and efficient set-up,
> but don't remember the specifics. * *He lives in South Carolina.
>
> J4

Yea. He got Herr Spindelberger (Cobra) to build a special trailer for
an "old-timer" glider: one that needs LOTS of room for a wide chord
and stuff. Later, he found he could stuff two Libelle's in it.

Ray Lovinggood
Carrboro, North Carolina, USA

[doug]

On Oct 18, 10:40*pm, Tony > wrote:
> i know its been done a few times. *I've heard of a husband/wife duo of
> Libelles that had a double trailer. *Also I've seen a double 1-26 open
> trailer. *Leah and I only have one pickup but two gliders and tend to
> like to go places together. *I'd like to solicit opinions (dangerous
> thing to do here!) on how you would design a trailer to fit two
> gliders, namely two Cherokee II's. *It may require some creativity as
> they have a fixed center section approx 3 ft wide. *I'd like something
> enclosed. *Stable while empty or with one or both gliders loaded.

We have used ordinary utility trailers hauling up 4 SparrowHawks at
one time (just fits in a 24 footer with double racks for wings above
the fuselage) The big question is how long the wings are. That is
usually what determines the length of the trailer. The 24 footer my
friend has weighs about 3500 lbs. empty and my dad has a lighter 22'
trailer that weighs around 3000 lbs. I imagine that with the chord of
the Cherokee wing, you could probably make a rack for one wing on each
wall and the other 2 overhead (We screwed a 2X4 to each wall to
support another 2X4 bridging across. The weight of the wings and
where you can support them obviously might require something a little
different). The trailers are about 8' wide inside, so the two
fuselages should fit. Might have to have them nose to tail so you can
get around them. We just have the fuselage sitting on the dolly and
tie it down with cargo straps. Both trailers (one's a Haulmark and
the other is an Interstate) have elastomeric suspensions and tandem
axles. They ride very nicely, so the gliders don't get beat up.
Price wise, they are hard to beat also. 5 years ago, they were around
$7K - $8K new. That and a little wood for racks and it is a lot
cheaper than a Cobra for one glider. I saved the secret benefit for
last - once the gliders are set up, you have a nice, shady "club
house" to hang out in.

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:48:10 -0700, Craig wrote:

> It shouldn't be too difficult if they are loaded with one fuselage
> facing forward and one backward. I've had trailers that loaded over the
> tongue so and it wasn't a problem. You might even be able to set it up
> so that one loads from one end and one from the other. That way they
> can be used independently.
>
How do the semi-span and fuselage length compare? IOW, would the trailer
need to be be much longer than the semi-span if you packed the fuselages
top the tail so the center section of one was in front of or over the
nose of the other? I think you might have to arrange them that way:
sounds like you'd never get them in or out if the center sections
overlapped the rear fuselages in a more conventional top & tail
arrangement.

Of thinking totally off the wall: would the trailer be impossibly high if
the fuselages were stacked vertically, possibly with the top one on some
sort of hoist? With that sort of arrangement you might even get a
sleeping area in front of the fuselages. Two Libelle fuselages side by
side with the wings outside them would leave lots of room in front of
their fuselages between the wings for something like that.

Its an interesting problem to play with, anyway.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[vontresc]

But the main question is, who will chase you if both you and Leah are
flying????

Pete

[JS]

Contact Garret or Boyd Willat.
They used one of those "toy haulers" to fit a Nimbus 3 and a Discus.
A bit on the gigantic side...
Jim

[Tony[_5_]]

On Oct 19, 8:24*am, JS > wrote:
> Contact Garret or Boyd Willat.
> They used one of those "toy haulers" to fit a Nimbus 3 and a Discus.
> A bit on the gigantic side...
> Jim

Jim,

I've talked with Garrett and seen pictures of their party wagon. Not
sure I'm ready for that kind of upgrade. I've got an old beater 1994
GMC 2 wheel drive V6 pickup with 256,000 miles on it that I would like
to keep for now for a tow vehicle. Not ready to upgrade a super heavy
duty diesel gas guzzler.

Martin -

I'm having trouble visualizing what you typed. Perhaps its just too
early. The fuselage is ~20-22 ft long. Each wing is about 18 or 19
ft long.

I've got a friend with a Duster and because of its massive fixed
center section the solution for his trailer was to lay the wings flat
on the floor. I'm wondering if maybe a good solution for the double
Cherokee trailer would be two racks for the 4 wings on the floor. one
wing would go root first the other tip first. then the fuselages in,
one nose first the other tail first. This could potentially minimize
trailer width.

[Mark Dickson[_2_]]

What sort of car does your partner have? I would imagine the
glider weighs next to nothing. You don't need large cars and
pick-ups to safely tow trailers, almost any car can be used.
Much cheaper and flexible to fit a tow bar to her car.

At 13:48 19 October 2010, Tony wrote:
>On Oct 19, 8:24=A0am, JS wrote:
>> Contact Garret or Boyd Willat.
>> They used one of those "toy haulers" to fit a Nimbus 3 and a
Discus.
>> A bit on the gigantic side...
>> Jim
>
>Jim,
>
>I've talked with Garrett and seen pictures of their party wagon.
Not
>sure I'm ready for that kind of upgrade. I've got an old beater
1994
>GMC 2 wheel drive V6 pickup with 256,000 miles on it that I
would like
>to keep for now for a tow vehicle. Not ready to upgrade a
super heavy
>duty diesel gas guzzler.
>
>Martin -
>
>I'm having trouble visualizing what you typed. Perhaps its just
too
>early. The fuselage is ~20-22 ft long. Each wing is about 18
or 19
>ft long.
>
>I've got a friend with a Duster and because of its massive fixed
>center section the solution for his trailer was to lay the wings
flat
>on the floor. I'm wondering if maybe a good solution for the
double
>Cherokee trailer would be two racks for the 4 wings on the
floor. one
>wing would go root first the other tip first. then the fuselages
in,
>one nose first the other tail first. This could potentially
minimize
>trailer width.
>

[Tony[_5_]]

On Oct 19, 9:39*am, Mark Dickson > wrote:
> What sort of car does your partner have? *I would imagine the
> glider weighs next to nothing. *You don't need large cars and
> pick-ups to safely tow trailers, almost any car can be used. *
> Much cheaper and flexible to fit a tow bar to her car.

she has 5 speed 4 cylinder subaru outback impreza. it is not a tow
vehicle.

she will share driving on a long trip. this season we've probably put
5000 miles on the truck/trailer together. At least twice we've pulled
the Cherokee from sunrise to sunset (Marfa - Wichita and Portales, NM
- Wichita). Neither one of us is interested in long solo drives. We
do enjoy each others company on long road trips though. She'd rather
ride with me and not have her glider than drive solo across the
country. I don't blame her. I'm not interested in driving solo either
to places like Marfa, Caesar Creek, or Elmira from here in Wichita.
With a double trailer then we both can go flying when we get there.

[Craig[_2_]]

On Oct 19, 7:51*am, Tony > wrote:
> On Oct 19, 9:39*am, Mark Dickson > wrote:
>
> > What sort of car does your partner have? *I would imagine the
> > glider weighs next to nothing. *You don't need large cars and
> > pick-ups to safely tow trailers, almost any car can be used. *
> > Much cheaper and flexible to fit a tow bar to her car.
>
> she has 5 speed 4 cylinder subaru outback impreza. it is not a tow
> vehicle.
>
> she will share driving on a long trip. *this season we've probably put
> 5000 miles on the truck/trailer together. *At least twice we've pulled
> the Cherokee from sunrise to sunset (Marfa - Wichita and Portales, NM
> - Wichita). *Neither one of us is interested in long solo drives. We
> do enjoy each others company on long road trips though. She'd rather
> ride with me and not have her glider than drive solo across the
> country. I don't blame her. I'm not interested in driving solo either
> to places like Marfa, Caesar Creek, or Elmira from here in Wichita.
> With a double trailer then we both can go flying when we get there.

Make some simple scale models out of foam or balsa and start playing
around with them. It's much easier to figure out when you have
something solid in your hands that can be arranged at will. You'll
have it knocked out a couple days before the person with the computer
and fancy software.

Craig

[MickiMinner]

*Leah and I only have one pickup but two gliders and tend to
> like to go places together. *I'd like to solicit opinions (dangerous
> thing to do here!) on how you would design a trailer to fit two
> gliders, namely two Cherokee II's.

Have you checked with the Willat family? They took a motorhome,
and it seems to me (if I remember correctly) one trailer, one
motorhome and
three gliders....if ANYONE knows how to do it, it would be them!

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 06:48:32 -0700, Tony wrote:

> I'm having trouble visualizing what you typed. Perhaps its just too
> early. The fuselage is ~20-22 ft long. Each wing is about 18 or 19 ft
> long.
>
Tony,

On those measurements what I was thinking wouldn't work. I thought your
fuselage was quite a bit shorter than the wings, which isn't the case.

I have a box trailer for my Libelle with the wings taking up the full
trailer length except for about a foot at the rear. The fuselage is in
the back of the trailer with the rear of the rudder just inside the door.
Each wing is 8m long including spar stubs, while the fuselage is only
6.2m, so I've got around 2m (6'6") going begging in front of the fuselage
where my tow-out gear, trestles and spare wheel live. And there is still
a lot of spare cubic in there.

> I've got a friend with a Duster and because of its massive fixed center
> section the solution for his trailer was to lay the wings flat on the
> floor. I'm wondering if maybe a good solution for the double Cherokee
> trailer would be two racks for the 4 wings on the floor. one wing would
> go root first the other tip first. then the fuselages in, one nose
> first the other tail first.
>
I see what you're saying, which would leave a parallel-sides space
between the wing racks. The thing I wondered about is how far apart would
the fuselages have to be so the wing stubs on the rear-facing one would
pass the fin of the forward facing one when you were getting it out. Same
problem applies to the other end and other stubs and fin of course.

Being a model builder, I'd probably make reasonably accurate models of
the wings, tails and fuselages out of, say, white foam, so you could
experiment with balsa sticks to make supports and see not only how the
fit them close together but if you can still get them in and out. I have
a feeling that might be the hardest part.

FWIW my trailer seems to have been designed by packing the Libelle bits
into the smallest possible arrangement and then leaving 3 inches all
round. It goes into and comes out of the trailer OK but care is needed.
Its very tight inside there and I'm bent double moving the wings, which
fit tip-forward, between their root spar supports and a dolly. This
operation would be pretty much impossible without a thick plastic pad to
rest the root leading edge on while getting inside to lift the spars onto
or off their tiedown rack. The moral of this is, if you're building an
end-loading box trailer, be sure to leave more than the absolute minimum
of free space or you'll curse yourself in future.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[sisu1a]

>It may require some creativity as
> > they have a fixed center section approx 3 ft wide. *I'd like something
> > enclosed. *Stable while empty or with one or both gliders loaded.
>
> Just buy a 2 seater...


Screw the 2 seater, go twin!! http://community.livejournal.com/ru_wunderluft/198624.html
Of course it would still leave you with some creative trailer
solutions to figure out...

-Paul

[[email protected]]

On Oct 18, 5:23*pm, harold > wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:11:58 -0700 (PDT), "
>
> > wrote:
> >On Oct 18, 1:40*pm, Tony > wrote:
> >> i know its been done a few times. *I've heard of a husband/wife duo of
> >> Libelles that had a double trailer. *Also I've seen a double 1-26 open
> >> trailer. *Leah and I only have one pickup but two gliders and tend to
> >> like to go places together. *I'd like to solicit opinions (dangerous
> >> thing to do here!) on how you would design a trailer to fit two
> >> gliders, namely two Cherokee II's. *It may require some creativity as
> >> they have a fixed center section approx 3 ft wide. *I'd like something
> >> enclosed. *Stable while empty or with one or both gliders loaded.
>
> >Just buy a 2 seater...
>
> A two seater is obviously not what they want. *The poster asked a
> reasonable question. *Why do *you fell the need to be an a-hole and
> make such a stupid comment?

And who asked for your stupid opinion?

They could get a wooden two seater and enjoy flying together in
something with Cherokee like performance.

[Wayne Paul]

Would you enjoy spending 1/2 your flight time with someone else at the controls??? LOL


> wrote in message ...
On Oct 18, 5:23 pm, harold > wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:11:58 -0700 (PDT), "
>
> > wrote:
> >On Oct 18, 1:40 pm, Tony > wrote:
> >> i know its been done a few times. I've heard of a husband/wife duo of
> >> Libelles that had a double trailer. Also I've seen a double 1-26 open
> >> trailer. Leah and I only have one pickup but two gliders and tend to
> >> like to go places together. I'd like to solicit opinions (dangerous
> >> thing to do here!) on how you would design a trailer to fit two
> >> gliders, namely two Cherokee II's. It may require some creativity as
> >> they have a fixed center section approx 3 ft wide. I'd like something
> >> enclosed. Stable while empty or with one or both gliders loaded.
>
> >Just buy a 2 seater...
>
> A two seater is obviously not what they want. The poster asked a
> reasonable question. Why do you fell the need to be an a-hole and
> make such a stupid comment?

And who asked for your stupid opinion?

They could get a wooden two seater and enjoy flying together in
something with Cherokee like performance.

[Bruce Hoult]

On Oct 20, 3:51*am, Tony > wrote:
> she has 5 speed 4 cylinder subaru outback impreza. it is not a tow
> vehicle.

Why isn't it?

Four cylinder Subarus are extremely popular tow vehicles around here,
the Legacy perhaps a bit more so than the Impreza but there is little
difference between them.

Here is mine (1995 2.5 non turbo) with our club's DG1000 behind it. It
tows it very easily, including over mountains.

http://www.twitpic.com/11uvwc

[Tony[_5_]]

>
> Why isn't it?
>
> Four cylinder Subarus are extremely popular tow vehicles around here,
> the Legacy perhaps a bit more so than the Impreza but there is little
> difference between them.
>
> Here is mine (1995 2.5 non turbo) with our club's DG1000 behind it. It
> tows it very easily, including over mountains.
>
> http://www.twitpic.com/11uvwc

Her Outback Impreza is not a 2.5L, It is either a 1.8 or 2.2L and I
think its the 1.8L. Sure I suppose it could tow her trailer, I mean,
we've all seen the picture of the smart car with the Cobra trailer
behind it. But it wouldn't tow my trailer as mine is way too heavy
for the car. Plus the point is that driving separately is not an
option. We're both going to be going wherever we are going in the
same vehicle. So why not try to bring both gliders?

[[email protected]]

On Oct 19, 9:48*am, Tony > wrote:
> On Oct 19, 8:24*am, JS > wrote:
>
> > Contact Garret or Boyd Willat.
> > They used one of those "toy haulers" to fit a Nimbus 3 and a Discus.
> > A bit on the gigantic side...
> > Jim
>
> Jim,
>
> I've talked with Garrett and seen pictures of their party wagon. *Not
> sure I'm ready for that kind of upgrade. *I've got an old beater 1994
> GMC 2 wheel drive V6 pickup with 256,000 miles on it that I would like
> to keep for now for a tow vehicle. *Not ready to upgrade a super heavy
> duty diesel gas guzzler.
>
> Martin -
>
> I'm having trouble visualizing what you typed. *Perhaps its just too
> early. *The fuselage is ~20-22 ft long. *Each wing is about 18 or 19
> ft long.
>
> I've got a friend with a Duster and because of its massive fixed
> center section the solution for his trailer was to lay the wings flat
> on the floor. *I'm wondering if maybe a good solution for the double
> Cherokee trailer would be two racks for the 4 wings on the floor. *one
> wing would go root first the other tip first. *then the fuselages in,
> one nose first the other tail first. *This could potentially minimize
> trailer width.

A couple thoughts for what they might be worth(internet toilet paper).
Picture a wing dolly kinda like most trailers use but set up to accept
roots of 2 wings. This way the wings could be put very close together,
you don't need double tracks, etc. Yep- it might take 2 people working
together to go in and out, but so what. The wings for one glider go on
the right. Second on the left.
Assembly: Pull first fuselage which is tail forward in trailer out and
position. Wings for that glider are on same side. Remove wings and
rig. There may be a trick here if it matters which wing goes on
first.
Repeat for second glider.
The glider that gets flown the most is the one that goes in second.
Warning- old war story. My early mentor was Steve Bennis who was
married to Ginny(now Ginny Schweizer). They used to go on safari to
Texas with their panel truck and a flatbed trailer with two LK's on
it. He said it was a lot of fun except they bioth had different ideas
of where to fly some some retrieves were complicated.
Sounds like you guys are having a lot of fun. Keep it up
UH

[Tony[_5_]]

On Oct 19, 9:08*pm, wrote:
> On Oct 19, 9:48*am, Tony > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 19, 8:24*am, JS > wrote:
>
> > > Contact Garret or Boyd Willat.
> > > They used one of those "toy haulers" to fit a Nimbus 3 and a Discus.
> > > A bit on the gigantic side...
> > > Jim
>
> > Jim,
>
> > I've talked with Garrett and seen pictures of their party wagon. *Not
> > sure I'm ready for that kind of upgrade. *I've got an old beater 1994
> > GMC 2 wheel drive V6 pickup with 256,000 miles on it that I would like
> > to keep for now for a tow vehicle. *Not ready to upgrade a super heavy
> > duty diesel gas guzzler.
>
> > Martin -
>
> > I'm having trouble visualizing what you typed. *Perhaps its just too
> > early. *The fuselage is ~20-22 ft long. *Each wing is about 18 or 19
> > ft long.
>
> > I've got a friend with a Duster and because of its massive fixed
> > center section the solution for his trailer was to lay the wings flat
> > on the floor. *I'm wondering if maybe a good solution for the double
> > Cherokee trailer would be two racks for the 4 wings on the floor. *one
> > wing would go root first the other tip first. *then the fuselages in,
> > one nose first the other tail first. *This could potentially minimize
> > trailer width.
>
> A couple thoughts for what they might be worth(internet toilet paper).
> Picture a wing dolly kinda like most trailers use but set up to accept
> roots of 2 wings. This way the wings could be put very close together,
> you don't need double tracks, etc. Yep- it might take 2 people working
> together to go in and out, but so what. The wings for one glider go on
> the right. Second on the left.
> Assembly: Pull first fuselage which is tail forward in trailer out and
> position. Wings for that glider are on same side. Remove wings and
> rig. There may be a trick here if it matters which wing goes on
> first.
> Repeat for second glider.
> The glider that gets flown the most is the one that goes in second.
> Warning- old war story. My early mentor was Steve Bennis who was
> married to Ginny(now Ginny Schweizer). They used to go on safari to
> Texas with their panel truck and a flatbed trailer with two LK's on
> it. He said it was a lot of fun except they bioth had different ideas
> of where to fly some some retrieves were complicated.
> Sounds like you guys are having a lot of fun. Keep it up
> UH

Hank, thanks for the ideas, I like it!

btw I went to one of your first time contest pilot talks a few
conventions ago. really enjoyed it. perhaps this coming season i'll
actually get a chance to go to one!

[TJ Johnson \FN\]

If It were me, and I wanted to do it on the cheap (as I always try to
do) I would pull them inside a hangar and see how tightly I could nest
them together then find an old travel trailer that could be stripped
clean inside, cut the rear end out of it and hinge it for a door. The
big bonus there is that with a lantern, a cooler, a portable RV potty,
and a couple of cots, it turns into a cozy replacement for the Hilton
while the birds are tied out somewhere.

A search through Craigslist and a few weekends work could have you
roadworthy for just a few hundred dollars.

Have fun!
TJ

PIK20 N202PK
VariEze N25TB
Glasair II FT currently building

www.simplytj.com

[Morgans[_2_]]

Here is a strange idea.

Picture a basic flatbed trailer. Add the left and right walls, hinged at
the bottom and outside of the floor to fold from the normal up and down
position to horizontal and beside the floor. Drive a fuselage onto each
side, secure them in jigs, winch the sides back to up and down like normal.
Wings secured in jigs between them. Front and back and top stationary with
smaller access doors.
--
Jim in NC