Hello From Port Aransas, on Mustang Island, TX [Archive]

Jay Honeck[_13_]

October 23rd 10, 01:50 AM

Hi Mike!

Selling the Ercoupe isn't a tough decision. We bought it (with 2
other partners) so that our kids would have something cheap to fly,
and that mission is now complete. One of the kids never learned to
fly, one is in Afghanistan, and one (my son) is 3rd year Army ROTC at
the University of Iowa, and working at our Iowa City hotel. He hasn't
had time to fly in a year.

As much as I enjoyed flying Sweetie, we've still got Atlas, and that's
more than enough airplane for one family.

PofA is okay, but I miss the old days of rec.aviation. I think I'll
stick around a bit and see if any of the other "old-timers" are still
around!
:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 22, 7:03*pm, Mike Adams > wrote:
> Jay Honeck > wrote:
> > Just checking in to rec.aviation for the first time in...I don't
> > remember when.
>
> > Anyone still here? * How's everyone been?
>
> Hi Jay. Yea, still check in here occasionally, but it's mostly a ghost town except for the
> troll wars. *I hope your new venture is doing well. I read recently on POA that you're
> selling the Ercoupe. That's a tough decision, but understandable.
>
> Mike

Jay Honeck[_13_]

October 23rd 10, 01:52 AM

Hey Peter,

Sounds like you're not doing any flying nowadays?

(Hey, I know of an Ercoupe for sale....cheap! :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 22, 7:41*pm, "Peter Dohm" > wrote:
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> ...> Just checking in to rec.aviation for the first time in...I don't
> > remember when.
>
> > Anyone still here? * How's everyone been?
> > --
>
> I'm still here, mostly just as a lurker like so many others.
>
> In a way, the bad times have come at a good time, at least for me, because I
> have been rather busy with other projects.
>
> Unfortunately, the wrong stuff still gets the most response, and the lack of
> overall volume just makes the problem worse!
>
> Peter

Dudley Henriques[_3_]

October 23rd 10, 01:55 AM

On Oct 22, 8:50*pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> Hi Mike!
>
> Selling the Ercoupe isn't a tough decision. *We bought it (with 2
> other partners) so that our kids would have something cheap to fly,
> and that mission is now complete. *One of the kids never learned to
> fly, one is in Afghanistan, and one (my son) is 3rd year Army ROTC at
> the University of Iowa, and working at our Iowa City hotel. *He hasn't
> had time to fly in a year.
>
> As much as I enjoyed flying Sweetie, we've still got Atlas, and that's
> more than enough airplane for one family.
>
> PofA is okay, but I miss the old days of rec.aviation. *I think I'll
> stick around a bit and see if any of the other "old-timers" are still
> around!
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Port Aransas, TX
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856
>
> On Oct 22, 7:03*pm, Mike Adams > wrote:
>
> > Jay Honeck > wrote:
> > > Just checking in to rec.aviation for the first time in...I don't
> > > remember when.
>
> > > Anyone still here? * How's everyone been?
>
> > Hi Jay. Yea, still check in here occasionally, but it's mostly a ghost town except for the
> > troll wars. *I hope your new venture is doing well. I read recently on POA that you're
> > selling the Ercoupe. That's a tough decision, but understandable.
>
> > Mike

I still check the thread headers from time to time but seldom post
here any more. I'll check in with a fw of the old timers that have
become friends through the years, but the rest of it for me anyway,
isn't my cup of tea.
Dudley

Jim Logajan

October 23rd 10, 02:01 AM

Jay Honeck > wrote:
> Just checking in to rec.aviation for the first time in...I don't
> remember when.
>
> Anyone still here? How's everyone been?

I still check in. Have been trying out POA. Was "interesting" to see your
last thread there get closed. I've browsed some of the older posts and
threads and haven't got any clear idea what the admin's criteria is.

(I still think you've been naive in your attitude toward pilots.)

So what happened with the courtesy car?

Brian Whatcott

October 23rd 10, 02:38 AM

On 10/22/2010 6:42 PM, Jay Honeck wrote:
> Just checking in to rec.aviation for the first time in...I don't
> remember when.
>
> Anyone still here? How's everyone been?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Port Aransas, TX
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856

It was Spring that I flew down to Corpus to see my kid.
We took a ride onto Mustang, looking near the short strip there, but we
didn't see your hotel jump out at us.
But that was a week or a few before you actually moved in. I hope you
have a sign up these days?

Brian W at Altus SW Okla.

Jay Honeck[_13_]

October 23rd 10, 03:55 AM

Yeah, yeah -- tell it to the judge... :-)

I've gotta say, I'm pretty disappointed in the moderators over there.
I know one of them personally, and one of the others tangentially, and
I never expected them to act the way they did. Cutting off an on-
ongoing thread (for no apparent reason) is no better than having no
moderator at all.

The car is back at the airport. I rode my cycle over there today, on
my way to the post office. The car looks fine. Dunno if it's got any
gas in it.

That's the next pilot's worry! ;-)
--
Jay

--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 22, 8:01*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> Jay Honeck > wrote:
> > Just checking in to rec.aviation for the first time in...I don't
> > remember when.
>
> > Anyone still here? * How's everyone been?
>
> I still check in. Have been trying out POA. Was "interesting" to see your
> last thread there get closed. I've browsed some of the older posts and
> threads and haven't got any clear idea what the admin's criteria is.
>
> (I still think you've been naive in your attitude toward pilots.)
>
> So what happened with the courtesy car?

Jay Honeck[_13_]

October 23rd 10, 03:57 AM

Yup, we're further into town, on the same road as the airport. We're
about 2 miles from the airport.

Just look for the big "Harbor Inn" sign! ;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 22, 8:38*pm, brian whatcott > wrote:
> On 10/22/2010 6:42 PM, Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> > Just checking in to rec.aviation for the first time in...I don't
> > remember when.
>
> > Anyone still here? * How's everyone been?
> > --
> > Jay Honeck
> > Port Aransas, TX
> > Pathfinder N56993
> > Ercoupe N94856
>
> It was Spring that I flew down to Corpus to see my kid.
> We took a ride onto Mustang, looking near the short strip there, but we
> didn't see your hotel jump out at us.
> * But that was a week or a few before you actually moved in. I hope you
> have a sign up these days?
>
> Brian W at Altus SW Okla.

Mxsmanic

October 23rd 10, 04:30 AM

Still here, although it's hard to find serious conversations about aviation.

> I've gotta say, I'm pretty disappointed in the moderators over there.
> I know one of them personally, and one of the others tangentially, and
> I never expected them to act the way they did. Cutting off an on-
> ongoing thread (for no apparent reason) is no better than having no
> moderator at all.

That's the problem with all moderated forums. Good moderators are very, very
rare, and a bad moderator is orders of magnitude worse than no moderator at
all.

Jay Honeck[_13_]

October 23rd 10, 04:37 AM

Yup, I've got to agree. Most of the time, it's MUCH nicer over there
-- but this sudden change of censorship has me worried.

So what's up in the simulation field? I left the Kiwi back at our
Iowa City hotel, so I haven't flown the sim in almost 7 months!

Did I hear that Microsoft is resurrecting the Flight Simulator
franchise?
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 22, 10:30*pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Still here, although it's hard to find serious conversations about aviation.
>
> > I've gotta say, I'm pretty disappointed in the moderators over there.
> > I know one of them personally, and one of the others tangentially, and
> > I never expected them to act the way they did. *Cutting off an on-
> > ongoing thread (for no apparent reason) is no better than having no
> > moderator at all.
>
> That's the problem with all moderated forums. Good moderators are very, very
> rare, and a bad moderator is orders of magnitude worse than no moderator at
> all.

Jay Honeck[_13_]

October 23rd 10, 04:54 AM

Hi Dudley!

I've been spending most of my spare time over at PofA for the last
year, but I'm slowly learning that it's a good-ol'-boys network, led
by one guy who wields absolute authority over what is seen -- and not
seen -- on the group.

Although he's mostly a good guy, I'm growing uncomfortable with the
whole concept of being censored by a single guy -- even a well-meaning
one.

So what's new? How's Bea?
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 22, 7:55*pm, Dudley Henriques >
wrote:
> On Oct 22, 8:50*pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Mike!
>
> > Selling the Ercoupe isn't a tough decision. *We bought it (with 2
> > other partners) so that our kids would have something cheap to fly,
> > and that mission is now complete. *One of the kids never learned to
> > fly, one is in Afghanistan, and one (my son) is 3rd year Army ROTC at
> > the University of Iowa, and working at our Iowa City hotel. *He hasn't
> > had time to fly in a year.
>
> > As much as I enjoyed flying Sweetie, we've still got Atlas, and that's
> > more than enough airplane for one family.
>
> > PofA is okay, but I miss the old days of rec.aviation. *I think I'll
> > stick around a bit and see if any of the other "old-timers" are still
> > around!
> > :-)
> > --
> > Jay Honeck
> > Port Aransas, TX
> > Pathfinder N56993
> > Ercoupe N94856
>
> > On Oct 22, 7:03*pm, Mike Adams > wrote:
>
> > > Jay Honeck > wrote:
> > > > Just checking in to rec.aviation for the first time in...I don't
> > > > remember when.
>
> > > > Anyone still here? * How's everyone been?
>
> > > Hi Jay. Yea, still check in here occasionally, but it's mostly a ghost town except for the
> > > troll wars. *I hope your new venture is doing well. I read recently on POA that you're
> > > selling the Ercoupe. That's a tough decision, but understandable.
>
> > > Mike
>
> I still check the thread headers from time to time but seldom post
> here any more. I'll check in with a fw of the old timers that have
> become friends through the years, but the rest of it for me anyway,
> isn't my cup of tea.
> Dudley

Jim Logajan

October 23rd 10, 05:44 AM

Jay Honeck > wrote:
> I've been spending most of my spare time over at PofA for the last
> year, but I'm slowly learning that it's a good-ol'-boys network, led
> by one guy who wields absolute authority over what is seen -- and not
> seen -- on the group.

According to his account info, he is 23. A bit green.
Given the light moderation, I think they aren't doing too bad. They just
need some "free advice," of which I have oodles to give.

> Although he's mostly a good guy, I'm growing uncomfortable with the
> whole concept of being censored by a single guy -- even a well-meaning
> one.

Actually they name 6 people on their "MC" but if one of them is doing all
the technical work and paying most of the on-going bills, the other 5 are
just super cargo.

Besides, you did manage to post a message that insulted a subset of pilots
- even if you technically didn't write it, you quoted it. I barely had time
to insult you back. Where's the justice in that?

And you got your courtesy car back from the "jerks". Hopefully the incident
didn't cause any real friction in your family.

Jay Honeck[_13_]

October 23rd 10, 05:54 AM

Yeah, I've met Spike and Adam, two of the volunteer moderators. They
are outstanding guys -- but subservient to Jesse. (Heck, they both
work a brazillion hours per week -- they don't have time to do much
more than they are doing.)

And Jesse seems like a well-meaning kid. I have NO idea why he (or
one of the others) got a bean up their butt about that thread, but so
be it. They killed it, and lost my faith, for whatever that's worth.

That's the wonderful part about the internet. There are literally a
dozen, (maybe a hundred?) other forums to play in.

As for insulting a subset of aviation, my friend's quote was pretty
tame stuff. I'm sure we can do better here...

It's funny -- over there, we can't be "****ed" at anyone -- but we can
call 'em an "asshole". Go figure!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 22, 11:44*pm, Jim Logajan > wrote:
> Jay Honeck > wrote:
> > I've been spending most of my spare time over at PofA for the last
> > year, but I'm slowly learning that it's a good-ol'-boys network, led
> > by one guy who wields absolute authority over what is seen -- and not
> > seen -- on the group.
>
> According to his account info, he is 23. A bit green.
> Given the light moderation, I think they aren't doing too bad. They just
> need some "free advice," of which I have oodles to give.
>
> > Although he's mostly a good guy, I'm growing uncomfortable with the
> > whole concept of being censored by a single guy -- even a well-meaning
> > one.
>
> Actually they name 6 people on their "MC" but if one of them is doing all
> the technical work and paying most of the on-going bills, the other 5 are
> just super cargo.
>
> Besides, you did manage to post a message that insulted a subset of pilots
> - even if you technically didn't write it, you quoted it. I barely had time
> to insult you back. Where's the justice in that?
>
> And you got your courtesy car back from the "jerks". Hopefully the incident
> didn't cause any real friction in your family.

Dudley Henriques[_3_]

October 23rd 10, 06:19 AM

On Oct 22, 11:54*pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> Hi Dudley!
>
> I've been spending most of my spare time over at PofA for the last
> year, but I'm slowly learning that it's a good-ol'-boys network, led
> by one guy who wields absolute authority over what is seen -- and not
> seen -- on the group.
>
> Although he's mostly a good guy, I'm growing uncomfortable with the
> whole concept of being censored by a single guy -- even a well-meaning
> one.
>
> So what's new? *How's Bea?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Port Aransas, TX
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856
>
> On Oct 22, 7:55*pm, Dudley Henriques >
> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 22, 8:50*pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
> > > Hi Mike!
>
> > > Selling the Ercoupe isn't a tough decision. *We bought it (with 2
> > > other partners) so that our kids would have something cheap to fly,
> > > and that mission is now complete. *One of the kids never learned to
> > > fly, one is in Afghanistan, and one (my son) is 3rd year Army ROTC at
> > > the University of Iowa, and working at our Iowa City hotel. *He hasn't
> > > had time to fly in a year.
>
> > > As much as I enjoyed flying Sweetie, we've still got Atlas, and that's
> > > more than enough airplane for one family.
>
> > > PofA is okay, but I miss the old days of rec.aviation. *I think I'll
> > > stick around a bit and see if any of the other "old-timers" are still
> > > around!
> > > :-)
> > > --
> > > Jay Honeck
> > > Port Aransas, TX
> > > Pathfinder N56993
> > > Ercoupe N94856
>
> > > On Oct 22, 7:03*pm, Mike Adams > wrote:
>
> > > > Jay Honeck > wrote:
> > > > > Just checking in to rec.aviation for the first time in...I don't
> > > > > remember when.
>
> > > > > Anyone still here? * How's everyone been?
>
> > > > Hi Jay. Yea, still check in here occasionally, but it's mostly a ghost town except for the
> > > > troll wars. *I hope your new venture is doing well. I read recently on POA that you're
> > > > selling the Ercoupe. That's a tough decision, but understandable.
>
> > > > Mike
>
> > I still check the thread headers from time to time but seldom post
> > here any more. I'll check in with a fw of the old timers that have
> > become friends through the years, but the rest of it for me anyway,
> > isn't my cup of tea.
> > Dudley

Still active in the flight safety business. Bea's doing much better,

Bob Noel[_3_]

October 23rd 10, 11:06 AM

In article
< >,
Jay Honeck > wrote:

> Yeah, yeah -- tell it to the judge... :-)
>
> I've gotta say, I'm pretty disappointed in the moderators over there.
> I know one of them personally, and one of the others tangentially, and
> I never expected them to act the way they did. Cutting off an on-
> ongoing thread (for no apparent reason) is no better than having no
> moderator at all.

Outside of the spin zone, when a thread starts getting into
the personal insults (and someone complains) then a thread
is likely to be closed.

It doesn't matter if the insults are deserved or not.

I realize that the POA MC doesn't explain that very well,
but observing a few closed threads makes it pretty clear.
The flow seems to always go like this: a discussion goes
on for a number of posts, then there are some back-and-forth
insults (real or perceived, deserved or not), someone complains,
the thread is closed, and finally the participants complain
that the thread was closed.

>
> The car is back at the airport. I rode my cycle over there today, on
> my way to the post office. The car looks fine. Dunno if it's got any
> gas in it.
>
> That's the next pilot's worry! ;-)

I'm glad the car is back.

Jay Honeck[_13_]

October 23rd 10, 04:49 PM

> I realize that the POA MC doesn't explain that very well,
> but observing a few closed threads makes it pretty clear.
> The flow seems to always go like this: *a discussion goes
> on for a number of posts, then there are some back-and-forth
> insults (real or perceived, deserved or not), someone complains,
> the thread is closed, and finally the participants complain
> that the thread was closed.

That's all fine and dandy, but at some level the only effective
moderator is one who is consistent and EXPLAINS THEIR ACTIONS.
Random acts of censorship do nothing to breed a community.

If you read Jesse's response to Jim and my inquiries, it was a
terrific example of a non-response, explaining nothing. We still have
no idea why the thread was closed -- hell, if anyone had a right to
cry to the moderator, it was ME -- and his attitude is "if you don't
like it, there's the door".

Disappointing.
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

Mxsmanic

October 23rd 10, 10:16 PM

Jay Honeck writes:

> Did I hear that Microsoft is resurrecting the Flight Simulator
> franchise?

Rumors only. If it comes back, it will probably be as a game.

VOR-DME[_4_]

October 23rd 10, 11:08 PM

In article
>,
says...
>
>
>Just checking in to rec.aviation for the first time in...I don't
>remember when.
>
>Anyone still here? How's everyone been?

Good to hear from you!
Any more tornado stories to share?

george

October 24th 10, 12:16 AM

On Oct 24, 10:16*am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Jay Honeck writes:
> > Did I hear that Microsoft is resurrecting the Flight Simulator
> > franchise?
>
> Rumors only. If it comes back, it will probably be as a game.

Oh dear :-)

Dudley Henriques[_3_]

October 24th 10, 01:33 AM

On Oct 23, 5:16*pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Jay Honeck writes:
> > Did I hear that Microsoft is resurrecting the Flight Simulator
> > franchise?
>
> Rumors only. If it comes back, it will probably be as a game.

Don't bet the house on it. :-)

Dudley Henriques

Jay Honeck[_13_]

October 24th 10, 02:10 AM

> Don't bet the house on it. *:-)

Ooooo! OOoOooo! Inside information! Buy Microsoft!

:-)

Seriously, I hope they bring it back, bigger and better. It's a great
tool, and great fun, to boot.
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 23, 7:33*pm, Dudley Henriques >
wrote:
> On Oct 23, 5:16*pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>
> > Jay Honeck writes:
> > > Did I hear that Microsoft is resurrecting the Flight Simulator
> > > franchise?
>
> > Rumors only. If it comes back, it will probably be as a game.
>
> Don't bet the house on it. *:-)
>
> Dudley Henriques

Jay Honeck[_13_]

October 24th 10, 02:18 AM

> Good to hear from you!
> Any more tornado stories to share?

Tornadoes? Nope. No more violent weather down here at all, unlike
what we got seemingly every day in Iowa.

Even when we get torrential tropical storms here, it's just hard
(REALLY hard -- like 12" in 24 hours), solid rain. Very little wind,
and no lightning/thunder at all.

It's funny -- everyone warned us about the weather down here in the
Gulf, but I'm here to tell you that Iowa gets pummeled with weather
exponentially worse than we do on Mustang Island.

Until the "Big One" hits, of course. :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N569923
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 23, 5:08*pm, VOR-DME > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> says...
>
>
>
> >Just checking in to rec.aviation for the first time in...I don't
> >remember when.
>
> >Anyone still here? * How's everyone been?
>
> Good to hear from you!
> Any more tornado stories to share?

Dudley Henriques[_3_]

October 24th 10, 02:53 AM

On Oct 23, 9:10*pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> > Don't bet the house on it. *:-)
>
> Ooooo! *OOoOooo! * Inside information! *Buy Microsoft!
>
> :-)
>
> Seriously, I hope they bring it back, bigger and better. *It's a great
> tool, and great fun, to boot.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Port Aransas, TX
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856
>
> On Oct 23, 7:33*pm, Dudley Henriques >
> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 23, 5:16*pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>
> > > Jay Honeck writes:
> > > > Did I hear that Microsoft is resurrecting the Flight Simulator
> > > > franchise?
>
> > > Rumors only. If it comes back, it will probably be as a game.
>
> > Don't bet the house on it. *:-)
>
> > Dudley Henriques

I know the guy who's in charge of the program. Naturally he can't talk
about it due to the NDA, but I can say he's one of the best simulator
talents in the business.

Jay Honeck[_13_]

October 24th 10, 03:32 AM

On Oct 23, 8:53*pm, Dudley Henriques >
wrote:
> On Oct 23, 9:10*pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > Don't bet the house on it. *:-)
>
> > Ooooo! *OOoOooo! * Inside information! *Buy Microsoft!
>
> > :-)
>
> > Seriously, I hope they bring it back, bigger and better. *It's a great
> > tool, and great fun, to boot.
> > --
> > Jay Honeck
> > Port Aransas, TX
> > Pathfinder N56993
> > Ercoupe N94856
>
> > On Oct 23, 7:33*pm, Dudley Henriques >
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 23, 5:16*pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>
> > > > Jay Honeck writes:
> > > > > Did I hear that Microsoft is resurrecting the Flight Simulator
> > > > > franchise?
>
> > > > Rumors only. If it comes back, it will probably be as a game.
>
> > > Don't bet the house on it. *:-)
>
> > > Dudley Henriques
>
> I know the guy who's in charge of the program. Naturally he can't talk
> about it due to the NDA, but I can say he's one of the best simulator
> talents in the business.

That's great news, Dudley. I don't fully understand what Microsoft is/
was trying to do with this "fresh start" approach to Flight Simulator
(kinda like "scorched earth" farming, IMHO) -- but if it means we
have an even better product, I'll be happy.
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

Dudley Henriques[_3_]

October 24th 10, 04:24 AM

On Oct 23, 10:32*pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> On Oct 23, 8:53*pm, Dudley Henriques >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 23, 9:10*pm, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
> > > > Don't bet the house on it. *:-)
>
> > > Ooooo! *OOoOooo! * Inside information! *Buy Microsoft!
>
> > > :-)
>
> > > Seriously, I hope they bring it back, bigger and better. *It's a great
> > > tool, and great fun, to boot.
> > > --
> > > Jay Honeck
> > > Port Aransas, TX
> > > Pathfinder N56993
> > > Ercoupe N94856
>
> > > On Oct 23, 7:33*pm, Dudley Henriques >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 23, 5:16*pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>
> > > > > Jay Honeck writes:
> > > > > > Did I hear that Microsoft is resurrecting the Flight Simulator
> > > > > > franchise?
>
> > > > > Rumors only. If it comes back, it will probably be as a game.
>
> > > > Don't bet the house on it. *:-)
>
> > > > Dudley Henriques
>
> > I know the guy who's in charge of the program. Naturally he can't talk
> > about it due to the NDA, but I can say he's one of the best simulator
> > talents in the business.
>
> That's great news, Dudley. *I don't fully understand what Microsoft is/
> was trying to do with this "fresh start" approach to Flight Simulator
> (kinda like "scorched earth" farming, IMHO) *-- but if it means we
> have an even better product, I'll be happy.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Port Aransas, TX
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856

It could go that way. I'm not sure. The team seems excited about it
that's for sure. They can't talk really so it's still a crap shoot on
which way things will go. My guess is a composite of some kind.
How deeply this splits up between the actual simulation and "game"
venues will of course either bring in or lose the simulator community.
D

Mxsmanic

October 24th 10, 02:29 PM

Dudley Henriques writes:

> Don't bet the house on it.

I don't worry about it too much. I'm still on FS9 and it runs just fine. It
would take huge improvements in realism (not just eye candy) to make me
consider a newer version.

Mxsmanic

October 24th 10, 02:30 PM

Jay Honeck writes:

> I don't fully understand what Microsoft is/
> was trying to do with this "fresh start" approach to Flight Simulator
> (kinda like "scorched earth" farming, IMHO) ...

Microsoft has been making substantial mistakes ever since Bill left.

Mxsmanic

October 24th 10, 02:31 PM

Dudley Henriques writes:

> It could go that way. I'm not sure. The team seems excited about it
> that's for sure. They can't talk really so it's still a crap shoot on
> which way things will go. My guess is a composite of some kind.
> How deeply this splits up between the actual simulation and "game"
> venues will of course either bring in or lose the simulator community.

Simmers are far less numerous than gamers, so the business decision would be
to go with a game.

On the other hand, a game based on flying airplanes is unlikely to achieve any
real popularity. That's not what teenaged boys want (at least most of them).

george

October 24th 10, 08:31 PM

On Oct 24, 4:24*pm, Dudley Henriques >
wrote:

> It could go that way. I'm not sure. The team seems excited about it
> that's for sure. They can't talk really so it's still a crap shoot on
> which way things will go. My guess is a composite of some kind.
> How deeply this splits up between the actual simulation and "game"
> venues will of course either bring in or lose the simulator community.
> D

Hell I might go mad and get it if its going to be that good..
:-)

sambodidley

October 25th 10, 04:54 AM

"Jay Honeck" wrote(Hey, I know of an Ercoupe for sale....cheap! :-)
--
Jay Honeck

What's a "cheap" 'coupe going for these days?
Sam

Jay Honeck[_13_]

October 25th 10, 04:14 PM

We're asking just $18K.
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 24, 10:54*pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
> "Jay Honeck" wrote(Hey, I know of an Ercoupe for sale....cheap! *:-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
>
> What's a "cheap" 'coupe going for these days?
> Sam

sambodidley

October 25th 10, 07:27 PM

Is that model Ercoupe one of those that are certified as LSA? I know
that some are and others not.

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
We're asking just $18K.
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 24, 10:54 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
> "Jay Honeck" wrote(Hey, I know of an Ercoupe for sale....cheap! :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
>
> What's a "cheap" 'coupe going for these days?
> Sam

Jay Honeck[_13_]

October 25th 10, 10:43 PM

Nope, ours is a 415E model. Identical in every way as the LSA-
certified models, but with a (paperwork) higher useful load.

In the FAA's eternal wisdom, this disqualifies the plane -- forever --
from LSA certification.
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 25, 1:27*pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
> * * Is that model Ercoupe one of those that are certified as LSA? *I know
> that some are and others not.
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> We're asking just $18K.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Port Aransas, TX
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856
>
> On Oct 24, 10:54 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Jay Honeck" wrote(Hey, I know of an Ercoupe for sale....cheap! :-)
> > --
> > Jay Honeck
>
> > What's a "cheap" 'coupe going for these days?
> > Sam

sambodidley

October 25th 10, 11:31 PM

Well, doggonit, Too bad. I might have been interested if it had been.
If I ever fly again it will have to be under Sport Pilot limits. There's no
way I could still pass another medical if I ever took one. I guess I'll
have to stick with my sim planes for now.<g>
Sam in Milam
"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
Nope, ours is a 415E model. Identical in every way as the LSA-
certified models, but with a (paperwork) higher useful load.

In the FAA's eternal wisdom, this disqualifies the plane -- forever --
from LSA certification.
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 25, 1:27 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
> Is that model Ercoupe one of those that are certified as LSA? I know
> that some are and others not.
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> We're asking just $18K.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Port Aransas, TX
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856
>
> On Oct 24, 10:54 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Jay Honeck" wrote(Hey, I know of an Ercoupe for sale....cheap! :-)
> > --
> > Jay Honeck
>
> > What's a "cheap" 'coupe going for these days?
> > Sam

Jay Honeck[_13_]

October 26th 10, 01:52 AM

> * * Well, doggonit, Too bad. I might have been interested if it had been.

You, and about a hundred other guys.

The FAA has made our Ercoupe almost unsellable, with an illogical
stroke of their pen.
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 25, 5:31*pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
> * * Well, doggonit, Too bad. I might have been interested if it had been.
> If I ever fly again it will have to be under Sport Pilot limits. There's no
> way I could still pass another medical if I ever took one. *I guess I'll
> have to stick with my sim planes for now.<g>
> Sam in Milam"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> Nope, ours is a 415E model. *Identical in every way as the LSA-
> certified models, but with a (paperwork) higher useful load.
>
> In the FAA's eternal wisdom, this disqualifies the plane -- forever --
> from LSA certification.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Port Aransas, TX
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856
>
> On Oct 25, 1:27 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Is that model Ercoupe one of those that are certified as LSA? I know
> > that some are and others not.
>
> > "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> ....
> > We're asking just $18K.
> > --
> > Jay Honeck
> > Port Aransas, TX
> > Pathfinder N56993
> > Ercoupe N94856
>
> > On Oct 24, 10:54 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>
> > > "Jay Honeck" wrote(Hey, I know of an Ercoupe for sale....cheap! :-)
> > > --
> > > Jay Honeck
>
> > > What's a "cheap" 'coupe going for these days?
> > > Sam

sambodidley

October 26th 10, 03:12 AM

Yep, I guess the LSA Ercoupes are pretty rare. Probably higher priced,
too. Oh well, I can still fly left seat in a C172 with a CFI on board,
though---at 150 bucks an hour.<g>

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
> Well, doggonit, Too bad. I might have been interested if it had been.

You, and about a hundred other guys.

The FAA has made our Ercoupe almost unsellable, with an illogical
stroke of their pen.
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 25, 5:31 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
> Well, doggonit, Too bad. I might have been interested if it had been.
> If I ever fly again it will have to be under Sport Pilot limits. There's
> no
> way I could still pass another medical if I ever took one. I guess I'll
> have to stick with my sim planes for now.<g>
> Sam in Milam"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> Nope, ours is a 415E model. Identical in every way as the LSA-
> certified models, but with a (paperwork) higher useful load.
>
> In the FAA's eternal wisdom, this disqualifies the plane -- forever --
> from LSA certification.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Port Aransas, TX
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856
>
> On Oct 25, 1:27 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Is that model Ercoupe one of those that are certified as LSA? I know
> > that some are and others not.
>
> > "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > We're asking just $18K.
> > --
> > Jay Honeck
> > Port Aransas, TX
> > Pathfinder N56993
> > Ercoupe N94856
>
> > On Oct 24, 10:54 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>
> > > "Jay Honeck" wrote(Hey, I know of an Ercoupe for sale....cheap! :-)
> > > --
> > > Jay Honeck
>
> > > What's a "cheap" 'coupe going for these days?
> > > Sam

Jay Honeck[_13_]

October 26th 10, 07:01 AM

At $150/hour, you only need to fly 120 hours and you could have bought
the Ercoupe!

Which, BTW, costs about $15/hour to operate -- plus a few gallons of
gar gas...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 25, 9:12*pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
> * * Yep, I guess the LSA Ercoupes are pretty rare. *Probably higher priced,
> too. Oh well, I can still fly left seat in a C172 with a CFI on board,
> though---at 150 bucks an hour.<g>
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Well, doggonit, Too bad. I might have been interested if it had been.
>
> You, and about a hundred other guys.
>
> The FAA has made our Ercoupe almost unsellable, with an illogical
> stroke of their pen.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Port Aransas, TX
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856
>
> On Oct 25, 5:31 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Well, doggonit, Too bad. I might have been interested if it had been.
> > If I ever fly again it will have to be under Sport Pilot limits. There's
> > no
> > way I could still pass another medical if I ever took one. I guess I'll
> > have to stick with my sim planes for now.<g>
> > Sam in Milam"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> ....
> > Nope, ours is a 415E model. Identical in every way as the LSA-
> > certified models, but with a (paperwork) higher useful load.
>
> > In the FAA's eternal wisdom, this disqualifies the plane -- forever --
> > from LSA certification.
> > --
> > Jay Honeck
> > Port Aransas, TX
> > Pathfinder N56993
> > Ercoupe N94856
>
> > On Oct 25, 1:27 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>
> > > Is that model Ercoupe one of those that are certified as LSA? I know
> > > that some are and others not.
>
> > > "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> > ....
> > > We're asking just $18K.
> > > --
> > > Jay Honeck
> > > Port Aransas, TX
> > > Pathfinder N56993
> > > Ercoupe N94856
>
> > > On Oct 24, 10:54 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>
> > > > "Jay Honeck" wrote(Hey, I know of an Ercoupe for sale....cheap! :-)
> > > > --
> > > > Jay Honeck
>
> > > > What's a "cheap" 'coupe going for these days?
> > > > Sam

Chuck

October 26th 10, 03:36 PM

Hi, I very rarely posted here, just got back on the newsgroups. Been off
of them for quite a while. Do you still have your hotel?

Chuck

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
> Just checking in to rec.aviation for the first time in...I don't
> remember when.
>
> Anyone still here? How's everyone been?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Port Aransas, TX
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856

Jay Honeck[_13_]

October 26th 10, 04:44 PM

Yep. The one in Iowa City is for sale, if you'd like to run a cool,
aviation themed inn! See it here: www.AlexisParkInn.com.

That one took 8 years to build. Now, we have bought another motel on
Mustang Island, in Port Aransas, TX. We're converting it to the
aviation theme, too. See www.HarborInnPortA.com
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 26, 9:36*am, "Chuck" > wrote:
> Hi, I very rarely posted here, just got back on the newsgroups. * Been off
> of them for quite a while. *Do you still have your hotel?
>
> Chuck
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Just checking in to rec.aviation for the first time in...I don't
> > remember when.
>
> > Anyone still here? * How's everyone been?
> > --
> > Jay Honeck
> > Port Aransas, TX
> > Pathfinder N56993
> > Ercoupe N94856

sambodidley

October 26th 10, 05:43 PM

Yep, I could buy the 'coupe right now, but I'd still need the CFI on
board to fly it without a medical. If it was a LSA I could fly it by myself
on my drivers license and my PPL.
Sam in Milam

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
At $150/hour, you only need to fly 120 hours and you could have bought
the Ercoupe!

Which, BTW, costs about $15/hour to operate -- plus a few gallons of
gar gas...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 25, 9:12 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
> Yep, I guess the LSA Ercoupes are pretty rare. Probably higher priced,
> too. Oh well, I can still fly left seat in a C172 with a CFI on board,
> though---at 150 bucks an hour.<g>
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Well, doggonit, Too bad. I might have been interested if it had been.
>
> You, and about a hundred other guys.
>
> The FAA has made our Ercoupe almost unsellable, with an illogical
> stroke of their pen.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Port Aransas, TX
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856
>
> On Oct 25, 5:31 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Well, doggonit, Too bad. I might have been interested if it had been.
> > If I ever fly again it will have to be under Sport Pilot limits. There's
> > no
> > way I could still pass another medical if I ever took one. I guess I'll
> > have to stick with my sim planes for now.<g>
> > Sam in Milam"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > Nope, ours is a 415E model. Identical in every way as the LSA-
> > certified models, but with a (paperwork) higher useful load.
>
> > In the FAA's eternal wisdom, this disqualifies the plane -- forever --
> > from LSA certification.
> > --
> > Jay Honeck
> > Port Aransas, TX
> > Pathfinder N56993
> > Ercoupe N94856
>
> > On Oct 25, 1:27 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>
> > > Is that model Ercoupe one of those that are certified as LSA? I know
> > > that some are and others not.
>
> > > "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> > ...
> > > We're asking just $18K.
> > > --
> > > Jay Honeck
> > > Port Aransas, TX
> > > Pathfinder N56993
> > > Ercoupe N94856
>
> > > On Oct 24, 10:54 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>
> > > > "Jay Honeck" wrote(Hey, I know of an Ercoupe for sale....cheap! :-)
> > > > --
> > > > Jay Honeck
>
> > > > What's a "cheap" 'coupe going for these days?
> > > > Sam

Peter Dohm

October 27th 10, 01:08 AM

Sam,

IIRC, you would not really need an instructor.

Basically, AFAIK the Instructor's rating allows both of you to
simultaneously log time in what would ordinarily be a single pilot
aircraft--the Instructor as instruction time and the Student as dual. In
your case, you probably don't care about the "hours" logged, so any pilot
willing to be your right hand man and assume the title of PIC (and also
who's skill and judgement you trust) could be sitting in the right seat.
You could not log the time, but he could and he would also assume physical
control of the aircraft in the event of need--which is the whole idea of the
medical certification. (Yeah, I also think a lot of that is silly.)

Perhaps some of the instructors here will shed a little more light...

Peter

"sambodidley" > wrote in message
...
> Yep, I could buy the 'coupe right now, but I'd still need the CFI on
> board to fly it without a medical. If it was a LSA I could fly it by
> myself on my drivers license and my PPL.
> Sam in Milam
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> ...
> At $150/hour, you only need to fly 120 hours and you could have bought
> the Ercoupe!
>
> Which, BTW, costs about $15/hour to operate -- plus a few gallons of
> gar gas...
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Port Aransas, TX
> Pathfinder N56993
> Ercoupe N94856
>
>
> On Oct 25, 9:12 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>> Yep, I guess the LSA Ercoupes are pretty rare. Probably higher priced,
>> too. Oh well, I can still fly left seat in a C172 with a CFI on board,
>> though---at 150 bucks an hour.<g>
>>
>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > Well, doggonit, Too bad. I might have been interested if it had been.
>>
>> You, and about a hundred other guys.
>>
>> The FAA has made our Ercoupe almost unsellable, with an illogical
>> stroke of their pen.
>> --
>> Jay Honeck
>> Port Aransas, TX
>> Pathfinder N56993
>> Ercoupe N94856
>>
>> On Oct 25, 5:31 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Well, doggonit, Too bad. I might have been interested if it had been.
>> > If I ever fly again it will have to be under Sport Pilot limits.
>> > There's
>> > no
>> > way I could still pass another medical if I ever took one. I guess I'll
>> > have to stick with my sim planes for now.<g>
>> > Sam in Milam"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>> > Nope, ours is a 415E model. Identical in every way as the LSA-
>> > certified models, but with a (paperwork) higher useful load.
>>
>> > In the FAA's eternal wisdom, this disqualifies the plane -- forever --
>> > from LSA certification.
>> > --
>> > Jay Honeck
>> > Port Aransas, TX
>> > Pathfinder N56993
>> > Ercoupe N94856
>>
>> > On Oct 25, 1:27 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>>
>> > > Is that model Ercoupe one of those that are certified as LSA? I know
>> > > that some are and others not.
>>
>> > > "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>>
>> > ...
>> > > We're asking just $18K.
>> > > --
>> > > Jay Honeck
>> > > Port Aransas, TX
>> > > Pathfinder N56993
>> > > Ercoupe N94856
>>
>> > > On Oct 24, 10:54 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>>
>> > > > "Jay Honeck" wrote(Hey, I know of an Ercoupe for sale....cheap! :-)
>> > > > --
>> > > > Jay Honeck
>>
>> > > > What's a "cheap" 'coupe going for these days?
>> > > > Sam
>
>

sambodidley

October 27th 10, 01:35 AM

Thanks Peter,
Yes, I knew that a CFI would not be required if I just wanted to fly the
plane without a medical. My dream would be to have a LSA certified plane
that I could fly anytime I pleased, by myself, around the local airport,in
the daytime only, of course. I could afford a plane like Jay's if it were
an LSA but I can't hack one of those new +100K birds. That's out of this
senior citizen's range.<g>

"Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
...
> Sam,
>
> IIRC, you would not really need an instructor.
>
> Basically, AFAIK the Instructor's rating allows both of you to
> simultaneously log time in what would ordinarily be a single pilot
> aircraft--the Instructor as instruction time and the Student as dual. In
> your case, you probably don't care about the "hours" logged, so any pilot
> willing to be your right hand man and assume the title of PIC (and also
> who's skill and judgement you trust) could be sitting in the right seat.
> You could not log the time, but he could and he would also assume physical
> control of the aircraft in the event of need--which is the whole idea of
> the medical certification. (Yeah, I also think a lot of that is silly.)
>
> Perhaps some of the instructors here will shed a little more light...
>
> Peter
>
>
> "sambodidley" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Yep, I could buy the 'coupe right now, but I'd still need the CFI on
>> board to fly it without a medical. If it was a LSA I could fly it by
>> myself on my drivers license and my PPL.
>> Sam in Milam
>>
>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> At $150/hour, you only need to fly 120 hours and you could have bought
>> the Ercoupe!
>>
>> Which, BTW, costs about $15/hour to operate -- plus a few gallons of
>> gar gas...
>>
>> :-)
>> --
>> Jay Honeck
>> Port Aransas, TX
>> Pathfinder N56993
>> Ercoupe N94856
>>
>>
>> On Oct 25, 9:12 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>>> Yep, I guess the LSA Ercoupes are pretty rare. Probably higher priced,
>>> too. Oh well, I can still fly left seat in a C172 with a CFI on board,
>>> though---at 150 bucks an hour.<g>
>>>
>>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> > Well, doggonit, Too bad. I might have been interested if it had been.
>>>
>>> You, and about a hundred other guys.
>>>
>>> The FAA has made our Ercoupe almost unsellable, with an illogical
>>> stroke of their pen.
>>> --
>>> Jay Honeck
>>> Port Aransas, TX
>>> Pathfinder N56993
>>> Ercoupe N94856
>>>
>>> On Oct 25, 5:31 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Well, doggonit, Too bad. I might have been interested if it had been.
>>> > If I ever fly again it will have to be under Sport Pilot limits.
>>> > There's
>>> > no
>>> > way I could still pass another medical if I ever took one. I guess
>>> > I'll
>>> > have to stick with my sim planes for now.<g>
>>> > Sam in Milam"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> ...
>>> > Nope, ours is a 415E model. Identical in every way as the LSA-
>>> > certified models, but with a (paperwork) higher useful load.
>>>
>>> > In the FAA's eternal wisdom, this disqualifies the plane -- forever --
>>> > from LSA certification.
>>> > --
>>> > Jay Honeck
>>> > Port Aransas, TX
>>> > Pathfinder N56993
>>> > Ercoupe N94856
>>>
>>> > On Oct 25, 1:27 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>>>
>>> > > Is that model Ercoupe one of those that are certified as LSA? I know
>>> > > that some are and others not.
>>>
>>> > > "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> > ...
>>> > > We're asking just $18K.
>>> > > --
>>> > > Jay Honeck
>>> > > Port Aransas, TX
>>> > > Pathfinder N56993
>>> > > Ercoupe N94856
>>>
>>> > > On Oct 24, 10:54 pm, "sambodidley" >
>>> > > wrote:
>>>
>>> > > > "Jay Honeck" wrote(Hey, I know of an Ercoupe for sale....cheap!
>>> > > > :-)
>>> > > > --
>>> > > > Jay Honeck
>>>
>>> > > > What's a "cheap" 'coupe going for these days?
>>> > > > Sam
>>
>>
>
>

Jay Honeck[_13_]

October 27th 10, 07:58 AM

I know quite a few "senior" pilots who are in your shoes. Hell,
probably over half of my old QB hangar.

I also have known of several senior pilots whose attitude was that
they fly solo in the planes they have owned for decades, and now only
fly local flights. They completely avoid towered airports, or any
high-traffic areas. If they have a valid medical, great. If not, who
cares? Who is going to know? They don't take passengers, by choice,
so the only person they are risking is themselves.

I have to say, I can't find too much wrong with their logic.
Especially when combined with the fact that the FAA has applied the
LSA rules completely arbitrarily (Examples: Why is an Ercoupe 415-C
LSA, while a 415-E is not? Why is a C-150 not LSA, but a Champ is?
Etc., etc.), it's hard to argue with an old guy who just wants to fly,
and isn't risking anyone else's life or property.

They're only doing what they love, in the face of absurd, arbitrary
regulation.
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 26, 7:35*pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
> Thanks Peter,
> * * Yes, I knew that a CFI would not be required if I just wanted to fly the
> plane without a medical. *My dream would be to have a LSA certified plane
> that I could fly *anytime I pleased, by myself, around the local airport,in
> the daytime only, of course. *I could afford a plane like Jay's if it were
> an LSA but I can't hack one of those new +100K birds. *That's out of this
> senior citizen's range.<g>
>
> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Sam,
>
> > IIRC, you would not really need an instructor.
>
> > Basically, AFAIK the Instructor's rating allows both of you to
> > simultaneously log time in what would ordinarily be a single pilot
> > aircraft--the Instructor as instruction time and the Student as dual. *In
> > your case, you probably don't care about the "hours" logged, so any pilot
> > willing to be your right hand man and assume the title of PIC (and also
> > who's skill and judgement you trust) could be sitting in the right seat..
> > You could not log the time, but he could and he would also assume physical
> > control of the aircraft in the event of need--which is the whole idea of
> > the medical certification. *(Yeah, I also think a lot of that is silly.)
>
> > Perhaps some of the instructors here will shed a little more light...
>
> > Peter
>
> > "sambodidley" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> * *Yep, I could buy the 'coupe right now, but I'd still need the CFI on
> >> board to fly it without a medical. *If it was a LSA I could fly it by
> >> myself on my drivers license and my PPL.
> >> Sam in Milam
>
> >> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> ....
> >> At $150/hour, you only need to fly 120 hours and you could have bought
> >> the Ercoupe!
>
> >> Which, BTW, costs about $15/hour to operate -- plus a few gallons of
> >> gar gas...
>
> >> :-)
> >> --
> >> Jay Honeck
> >> Port Aransas, TX
> >> Pathfinder N56993
> >> Ercoupe N94856
>
> >> On Oct 25, 9:12 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
> >>> Yep, I guess the LSA Ercoupes are pretty rare. Probably higher priced,
> >>> too. Oh well, I can still fly left seat in a C172 with a CFI on board,
> >>> though---at 150 bucks an hour.<g>
>
> >>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> ....
>
> >>> > Well, doggonit, Too bad. I might have been interested if it had been.

Ron Wanttaja[_2_]

October 27th 10, 04:08 PM

On 10/26/2010 11:58 PM, Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> I have to say, I can't find too much wrong with their logic.
> Especially when combined with the fact that the FAA has applied the
> LSA rules completely arbitrarily (Examples: Why is an Ercoupe 415-C
> LSA, while a 415-E is not? Why is a C-150 not LSA, but a Champ is?
> Etc., etc.), it's hard to argue with an old guy who just wants to fly,
> and isn't risking anyone else's life or property.

*Any* selection of limits would be arbitrary. Their original limit was
1200 lbs, and they got talked into raising it. If they'd picked 1600
(allowing Cessna 150s), SOMEbody would point out a plane with a 1650
gross weight and complain that the rules were stupid and arbitrary. It
was a no-win situation for the FAA.

I thought the explanatory document the FAA put out at the time Sport
Pilot was announced was pretty clear. The LSA limits and Sport Pilot
were *not* instituted so that older pilots and planes could have a few
more years in the sun. It was intended to make it easier for new people
to learn to fly, and to encourage the production and sale of new,
ready-to-fly aircraft.

I agree it is tough on the guys who had failed their medicals prior to
Sport Pilot, and can't qualify under the new regs. But if you take the
long view (and rare it is that any government person DOES take the long
view) this is a problem that will correct itself over time. Anyone
flying now knows that flunking a medical will keep them from going Sport
Pilot. I haven't taken an FAA medical since the rules were instituted.

Keep in mind, though, that Sport Pilot DOES have medical requirements.
If you have a medical condition that would cause you to fail a Class III
medical, you cannot legally fly as a Sport Pilot.

However, I do agree with Jay on one point: Single-seat aircraft...up to
a limit...shouldn't require any sort of medical.

The question is, what *is* the limit? Should a pilot be able to fly an
unlimited racer without a medical? How about an F-104?

And it you put a limit in...sure as heck, someone will complain that it
was arbitrary and stupid....

Ron Wanttaja

Martin Hotze[_3_]

October 27th 10, 05:34 PM

Am 26.10.2010 17:44, schrieb Jay Honeck:
> That one took 8 years to build. Now, we have bought another motel on
> Mustang Island, in Port Aransas, TX. We're converting it to the
> aviation theme, too. Seewww.HarborInnPortA.com

Hi Jay,

well, the design is the same awful design as it is on the other
hotel-site; sorry. :-)

but: "bonne chance!" for your business. It must be tough in the tourism
industry these days.

Are there any effects at your place in TX from the oil leak?

#m
--
"What would I do with 72 virgins? That's not a reward,
that's a punishment. Give me two seasoned whores any day."
(Billy Connolly)

sambodidley

October 27th 10, 07:41 PM

Recreational flying, as I knew it, no longer exists. I flew in an era
when I could go to almost any small local airport and rent a little
two-place tandem stick-and-rudder tail-dragger for a few buck an hour.
Now, most of those little airports are gone or un-attended with just a
self-service gas pump. Even as some of the county airports in this rural
Northeast Texas area. The nearest place from Milam with any kind of flight
service is Angelina Co. (KLFK) which is over 150 mile round trip for me.
Then all I can get there are those 150 bucks an hour C172 rides with a CFI.
There are several small airports nearby I could use if I owned my own LSA.
I fly my simplanes out of them every day.<g>
Sam in Milam

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
I know quite a few "senior" pilots who are in your shoes. Hell,
probably over half of my old QB hangar.

I also have known of several senior pilots whose attitude was that
they fly solo in the planes they have owned for decades, and now only
fly local flights. They completely avoid towered airports, or any
high-traffic areas. If they have a valid medical, great. If not, who
cares? Who is going to know? They don't take passengers, by choice,
so the only person they are risking is themselves.

I have to say, I can't find too much wrong with their logic.
Especially when combined with the fact that the FAA has applied the
LSA rules completely arbitrarily (Examples: Why is an Ercoupe 415-C
LSA, while a 415-E is not? Why is a C-150 not LSA, but a Champ is?
Etc., etc.), it's hard to argue with an old guy who just wants to fly,
and isn't risking anyone else's life or property.

They're only doing what they love, in the face of absurd, arbitrary
regulation.
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 26, 7:35 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
> Thanks Peter,
> Yes, I knew that a CFI would not be required if I just wanted to fly the
> plane without a medical. My dream would be to have a LSA certified plane
> that I could fly anytime I pleased, by myself, around the local airport,in
> the daytime only, of course. I could afford a plane like Jay's if it were
> an LSA but I can't hack one of those new +100K birds. That's out of this
> senior citizen's range.<g>
>
> "Peter Dohm" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Sam,
>
> > IIRC, you would not really need an instructor.
>
> > Basically, AFAIK the Instructor's rating allows both of you to
> > simultaneously log time in what would ordinarily be a single pilot
> > aircraft--the Instructor as instruction time and the Student as dual. In
> > your case, you probably don't care about the "hours" logged, so any
> > pilot
> > willing to be your right hand man and assume the title of PIC (and also
> > who's skill and judgement you trust) could be sitting in the right seat.
> > You could not log the time, but he could and he would also assume
> > physical
> > control of the aircraft in the event of need--which is the whole idea of
> > the medical certification. (Yeah, I also think a lot of that is silly.)
>
> > Perhaps some of the instructors here will shed a little more light...
>
> > Peter
>
> > "sambodidley" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Yep, I could buy the 'coupe right now, but I'd still need the CFI on
> >> board to fly it without a medical. If it was a LSA I could fly it by
> >> myself on my drivers license and my PPL.
> >> Sam in Milam
>
> >> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> At $150/hour, you only need to fly 120 hours and you could have bought
> >> the Ercoupe!
>
> >> Which, BTW, costs about $15/hour to operate -- plus a few gallons of
> >> gar gas...
>
> >> :-)
> >> --
> >> Jay Honeck
> >> Port Aransas, TX
> >> Pathfinder N56993
> >> Ercoupe N94856
>
> >> On Oct 25, 9:12 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
> >>> Yep, I guess the LSA Ercoupes are pretty rare. Probably higher priced,
> >>> too. Oh well, I can still fly left seat in a C172 with a CFI on board,
> >>> though---at 150 bucks an hour.<g>
>
> >>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >>> > Well, doggonit, Too bad. I might have been interested if it had
> >>> > been.
>
> >>> You, and about a hundred other guys.
>
> >>> The FAA has made our Ercoupe almost unsellable, with an illogical
> >>> stroke of their pen.
> >>> --
> >>> Jay Honeck
> >>> Port Aransas, TX
> >>> Pathfinder N56993
> >>> Ercoupe N94856
>
> >>> On Oct 25, 5:31 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>
> >>> > Well, doggonit, Too bad. I might have been interested if it had
> >>> > been.
> >>> > If I ever fly again it will have to be under Sport Pilot limits.
> >>> > There's
> >>> > no
> >>> > way I could still pass another medical if I ever took one. I guess
> >>> > I'll
> >>> > have to stick with my sim planes for now.<g>
> >>> > Sam in Milam"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> >>> ...
> >>> > Nope, ours is a 415E model. Identical in every way as the LSA-
> >>> > certified models, but with a (paperwork) higher useful load.
>
> >>> > In the FAA's eternal wisdom, this disqualifies the plane --
> >>> > forever --
> >>> > from LSA certification.
> >>> > --
> >>> > Jay Honeck
> >>> > Port Aransas, TX
> >>> > Pathfinder N56993
> >>> > Ercoupe N94856
>
> >>> > On Oct 25, 1:27 pm, "sambodidley" > wrote:
>
> >>> > > Is that model Ercoupe one of those that are certified as LSA? I
> >>> > > know
> >>> > > that some are and others not.
>
> >>> > > "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> >>> > ...
> >>> > > We're asking just $18K.
> >>> > > --
> >>> > > Jay Honeck
> >>> > > Port Aransas, TX
> >>> > > Pathfinder N56993
> >>> > > Ercoupe N94856
>
> >>> > > On Oct 24, 10:54 pm, "sambodidley" >
> >>> > > wrote:
>
> >>> > > > "Jay Honeck" wrote(Hey, I know of an Ercoupe for sale....cheap!
> >>> > > > :-)
> >>> > > > --
> >>> > > > Jay Honeck
>
> >>> > > > What's a "cheap" 'coupe going for these days?
> >>> > > > Sam

Martin Hotze[_3_]

October 27th 10, 09:20 PM

Am 27.10.2010 20:41, schrieb sambodidley:
> Then all I can get there are those 150 bucks an hour C172 rides with a CFI.
> There are several small airports nearby I could use if I owned my own LSA.

Maybe a Skyranger is within your budget:
http://www.volksflugzeug.eu/Preisliste.html (sorry, most of the content
there is in German)

but there are for sure some other options within similar price range,
maybe there are used ones available, too.

#m
--
"What would I do with 72 virgins? That's not a reward,
that's a punishment. Give me two seasoned whores any day."
(Billy Connolly)

Jim Logajan

October 28th 10, 01:22 AM

Martin Hotze > wrote:
> Am 27.10.2010 20:41, schrieb sambodidley:
>> Then all I can get there are those 150 bucks an hour C172 rides with
>> a CFI. There are several small airports nearby I could use if I owned
>> my own LSA.
>
> Maybe a Skyranger is within your budget:
> http://www.volksflugzeug.eu/Preisliste.html (sorry, most of the
> content there is in German)
>
> but there are for sure some other options within similar price range,
> maybe there are used ones available, too.

Or perhaps do a web search for "ultralight helicopter". Check out:
http://www.experimentalhelo.com/
One of the publishers, Stu Fields, hangs out in rec.avaition.rotorcraft, so
you could post a question there asking whether an ultralight helicopter is
viable for someone only having airplane experience.

sambodidley

October 28th 10, 02:46 AM

"Jim Logajan" > wrote in message
.. .
> Martin Hotze > wrote:
>> Am 27.10.2010 20:41, schrieb sambodidley:
>>> Then all I can get there are those 150 bucks an hour C172 rides with
>>> a CFI. There are several small airports nearby I could use if I owned
>>> my own LSA.
>>
>> Maybe a Skyranger is within your budget:
>> http://www.volksflugzeug.eu/Preisliste.html (sorry, most of the
>> content there is in German)
>>
>> but there are for sure some other options within similar price range,
>> maybe there are used ones available, too.
>
> Or perhaps do a web search for "ultralight helicopter". Check out:
> http://www.experimentalhelo.com/
> One of the publishers, Stu Fields, hangs out in rec.avaition.rotorcraft,
> so
> you could post a question there asking whether an ultralight helicopter is
> viable for someone only having airplane experience.

LOL
I'd probably come just about as near to getting a whirly as I would
building a kit plane. <g>
Sam in Milam

Martin Hotze[_3_]

October 28th 10, 06:03 AM

Am 28.10.2010 03:46, schrieb sambodidley:
> I'd probably come just about as near to getting a whirly as I would
> building a kit plane.<g>

ths Skyranger is available as a kit or fully assembled and ready to fly

#m
--
"What would I do with 72 virgins? That's not a reward,
that's a punishment. Give me two seasoned whores any day."
(Billy Connolly)

Jay Honeck[_13_]

October 28th 10, 05:28 PM

Re: Harbor Inn's website. WTF??? I learned a whole new program to
build that new website! What's wrong with it?

Re: Business. Yeah, it's been a terrible couple of years for the hotel
industry. The worst, ever, so they say. That's why we bought when we
did -- prices are also at an all-time low. It's been a tough row to
hoe, but I have faith that things will rebound...someday.

Oil? Here? Nah. That blowout happened 500 miles NE of us, and the
currents in the Gulf are clockwise, so everything went away from us.
Thankfully!
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 27, 11:34*am, Martin Hotze > wrote:
> Am 26.10.2010 17:44, schrieb Jay Honeck:
>
> > That one took 8 years to build. *Now, we have bought another motel on
> > Mustang Island, in Port Aransas, TX. * *We're converting it to the
> > aviation theme, too. *Seewww.HarborInnPortA.com
>
> Hi Jay,
>
> well, the design is the same awful design as it is on the other
> hotel-site; sorry. :-)
>
> but: "bonne chance!" for your business. It must be tough in the tourism
> industry these days.
>
> Are there any effects at your place in TX from the oil leak?
>
> #m
> --
> "What would I do with 72 virgins? That's not a reward,
> that's a punishment. Give me two seasoned whores any day."
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *(Billy Connolly)

Jay Honeck[_13_]

October 28th 10, 05:36 PM

Hi Ron! Glad to see you're still here.

IMHO, the C-150/152 class of aircraft was excluded from LSA for
political reasons. I'm sure Cessna lobbied hard to keep those
aircraft OUT of the category, since -- with many thousands of them in
the fleet -- they knew that would kill their hoped-for entry into the
field.

Of course, as it's worked out, the Skycatcher hasn't been the hot
seller they hoped for anyway -- but that's more related to the economy
than any regulatory rules.

The LSA rules WRT to Ercoupes are completely absurd. My E model,
identical in every way (except for paperwork) to a C/D model, can
NEVER be LSA. Funnier still: C models that have been STC'd for the
higher useful load (because, remember, the plane's are identical --
it's only a paperwork "mod") can NEVER be "un-STC'd". They are
FOREVER banned from the LSA category by that single sheet of paper.

No, this has nothing to do with "common sense" or "logic". The fact
that the FAA refuses to even look at these problems illustrates the
REAL problem.
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 27, 10:08*am, Ron Wanttaja > wrote:
> On 10/26/2010 11:58 PM, Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have to say, I can't find too much wrong with their logic.
> > Especially when combined with the fact that the FAA has applied the
> > LSA rules completely arbitrarily (Examples: Why is an Ercoupe 415-C
> > LSA, while a 415-E is not? *Why is a C-150 not LSA, but a Champ is?
> > Etc., etc.), it's hard to argue with an old guy who just wants to fly,
> > and isn't risking anyone else's life or property.
>
> *Any* selection of limits would be arbitrary. *Their original limit was
> 1200 lbs, and they got talked into raising it. *If they'd picked 1600
> (allowing Cessna 150s), SOMEbody would point out a plane with a 1650
> gross weight and complain that the rules were stupid and arbitrary. *It
> was a no-win situation for the FAA.
>
> I thought the explanatory document the FAA put out at the time Sport
> Pilot was announced was pretty clear. *The LSA limits and Sport Pilot
> were *not* instituted so that older pilots and planes could have a few
> more years in the sun. *It was intended to make it easier for new people
> to learn to fly, and to encourage the production and sale of new,
> ready-to-fly aircraft.
>
> I agree it is tough on the guys who had failed their medicals prior to
> Sport Pilot, and can't qualify under the new regs. *But if you take the
> long view (and rare it is that any government person DOES take the long
> view) this is a problem that will correct itself over time. *Anyone
> flying now knows that flunking a medical will keep them from going Sport
> Pilot. *I haven't taken an FAA medical since the rules were instituted.
>
> Keep in mind, though, that Sport Pilot DOES have medical requirements.
> If you have a medical condition that would cause you to fail a Class III
> medical, you cannot legally fly as a Sport Pilot.
>
> However, I do agree with Jay on one point: *Single-seat aircraft...up to
> a limit...shouldn't require any sort of medical.
>
> The question is, what *is* the limit? *Should a pilot be able to fly an
> unlimited racer without a medical? *How about an F-104?
>
> And it you put a limit in...sure as heck, someone will complain that it
> was arbitrary and stupid....
>
> Ron Wanttaja

Martin Hotze[_3_]

October 28th 10, 07:25 PM

Am 28.10.2010 18:28, schrieb Jay Honeck:
> Re: Harbor Inn's website. WTF??? I learned a whole new program to
> build that new website! What's wrong with it?

with the program? no idea. :-)
with the website: everything. ;-)

> Re: Business. Yeah, it's been a terrible couple of years for the hotel
> industry. The worst, ever, so they say. That's why we bought when we
> did -- prices are also at an all-time low. It's been a tough row to
> hoe, but I have faith that things will rebound...someday.

anticyclical ... good.

> Oil? Here? Nah. That blowout happened 500 miles NE of us, and the
> currents in the Gulf are clockwise, so everything went away from us.
> Thankfully!

good to hear.

#m
--
"What would I do with 72 virgins? That's not a reward,
that's a punishment. Give me two seasoned whores any day."
(Billy Connolly)

sambodidley

October 28th 10, 08:36 PM

"Martin Hotze" > wrote in message
...
> Am 28.10.2010 03:46, schrieb sambodidley:
>> I'd probably come just about as near to getting a whirly as I would
>> building a kit plane.<g>
>
> ths Skyranger is available as a kit or fully assembled and ready to fly
>
> #m
> --
> "What would I do with 72 virgins? That's not a reward,
> that's a punishment. Give me two seasoned whores any day."
> (Billy Connolly)

Where can I find some info on it in English?

Martin Hotze[_3_]

October 28th 10, 10:23 PM

Am 28.10.2010 21:36, schrieb sambodidley:
> "Martin > wrote in message
> ...

>> ths Skyranger is available as a kit or fully assembled and ready to fly
>
> Where can I find some info on it in English?

http://www.volksflugzeug.eu/Preisliste.html states:
fully assembled, for towing, with rescue system, 100HP:
EUR 43.168,44 incl. VAT within Germany. (about USD 60 grand or 60 AMU)
this seems to be the top version

a little bit in english
http://www.volksflugzeug.eu/Technology.html

technical details:
http://www.volksflugzeug.eu/2.html

contact:
http://www.volksflugzeug.eu/kontakt.html
there is also an emailaddress at the bottom.

I am NOT associated with them, I only read an article about the plane. I
have no detailled information about the plane.

HTH, #m
--
"What would I do with 72 virgins? That's not a reward,
that's a punishment. Give me two seasoned whores any day."
(Billy Connolly)

Peter Dohm

October 29th 10, 12:59 AM

Personally, I completely agree with you.

Assuming that Cessna really did that lobbying, which is very likely, they
were fools. Flight schools, flying clubs, and nearly anyone who puts enough
hours on an aircraft to justify it, nearly always buy new and retire the
equipment while it is still recent vintage--simply because it makes economic
sense to do so.

Peter

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
...
Hi Ron! Glad to see you're still here.

IMHO, the C-150/152 class of aircraft was excluded from LSA for
political reasons. I'm sure Cessna lobbied hard to keep those
aircraft OUT of the category, since -- with many thousands of them in
the fleet -- they knew that would kill their hoped-for entry into the
field.

Of course, as it's worked out, the Skycatcher hasn't been the hot
seller they hoped for anyway -- but that's more related to the economy
than any regulatory rules.

The LSA rules WRT to Ercoupes are completely absurd. My E model,
identical in every way (except for paperwork) to a C/D model, can
NEVER be LSA. Funnier still: C models that have been STC'd for the
higher useful load (because, remember, the plane's are identical --
it's only a paperwork "mod") can NEVER be "un-STC'd". They are
FOREVER banned from the LSA category by that single sheet of paper.

No, this has nothing to do with "common sense" or "logic". The fact
that the FAA refuses to even look at these problems illustrates the
REAL problem.
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856

On Oct 27, 10:08 am, Ron Wanttaja > wrote:
> On 10/26/2010 11:58 PM, Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have to say, I can't find too much wrong with their logic.
> > Especially when combined with the fact that the FAA has applied the
> > LSA rules completely arbitrarily (Examples: Why is an Ercoupe 415-C
> > LSA, while a 415-E is not? Why is a C-150 not LSA, but a Champ is?
> > Etc., etc.), it's hard to argue with an old guy who just wants to fly,
> > and isn't risking anyone else's life or property.
>
> *Any* selection of limits would be arbitrary. Their original limit was
> 1200 lbs, and they got talked into raising it. If they'd picked 1600
> (allowing Cessna 150s), SOMEbody would point out a plane with a 1650
> gross weight and complain that the rules were stupid and arbitrary. It
> was a no-win situation for the FAA.
>
> I thought the explanatory document the FAA put out at the time Sport
> Pilot was announced was pretty clear. The LSA limits and Sport Pilot
> were *not* instituted so that older pilots and planes could have a few
> more years in the sun. It was intended to make it easier for new people
> to learn to fly, and to encourage the production and sale of new,
> ready-to-fly aircraft.
>
> I agree it is tough on the guys who had failed their medicals prior to
> Sport Pilot, and can't qualify under the new regs. But if you take the
> long view (and rare it is that any government person DOES take the long
> view) this is a problem that will correct itself over time. Anyone
> flying now knows that flunking a medical will keep them from going Sport
> Pilot. I haven't taken an FAA medical since the rules were instituted.
>
> Keep in mind, though, that Sport Pilot DOES have medical requirements.
> If you have a medical condition that would cause you to fail a Class III
> medical, you cannot legally fly as a Sport Pilot.
>
> However, I do agree with Jay on one point: Single-seat aircraft...up to
> a limit...shouldn't require any sort of medical.
>
> The question is, what *is* the limit? Should a pilot be able to fly an
> unlimited racer without a medical? How about an F-104?
>
> And it you put a limit in...sure as heck, someone will complain that it
> was arbitrary and stupid....
>
> Ron Wanttaja