Microsoft strikes again

[Indrek Aaviso]

I have used Windows Live Mail for a while and it handled binary newsgroups
reasonably well. i.e. click on a message and the message and any contained
picture would pop up.

Now the geniuses at Microsoft have come up with an "improved" version of
WLM. This requires me to double click on a message to bring up a thumbnail
image and I then have to double click on the thumbnail to bring up Windows
Photo Viewer so that I can actually see the image properly. After that,
unless I want myriad sessions of WPV running, I have to close the viewer and
close the thumbnail pane to begin the whole rigmarole once more for the
next image. Mumble, chunter, grumble......

There does not seem to be an easy way to revert to the previous version of
WLM

Am I being ultra-dense, or is there an alternative?

Cheers,

Indrek Aavisto

Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult W.S. Churchill

[Bill & Ange]

The only alternative is to go through another browser like Firefox. I've got
Windows 7 on my laptop and hate trying to go through the Live mail to get to
the newsgroups. There are some stand-alones that you can access, but I
haven't checked them out myself yet.


"Indrek Aaviso" > wrote in message
...
>I have used Windows Live Mail for a while and it handled binary newsgroups
>reasonably well. i.e. click on a message and the message and any contained
>picture would pop up.
>
> Now the geniuses at Microsoft have come up with an "improved" version of
> WLM. This requires me to double click on a message to bring up a thumbnail
> image and I then have to double click on the thumbnail to bring up Windows
> Photo Viewer so that I can actually see the image properly. After that,
> unless I want myriad sessions of WPV running, I have to close the viewer
> and close the thumbnail pane to begin the whole rigmarole once more for
> the next image. Mumble, chunter, grumble......
>
> There does not seem to be an easy way to revert to the previous version of
> WLM
>
> Am I being ultra-dense, or is there an alternative?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Indrek Aavisto
>
> Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult W.S. Churchill
>

[Bill & Ange]

The only alternative is to go through another browser like Firefox. I've got
Windows 7 on my laptop and hate trying to go through the Live mail to get to
the newsgroups. There are some stand-alones that you can access, but I
haven't checked them out myself yet.


"Indrek Aaviso" > wrote in message
...
>I have used Windows Live Mail for a while and it handled binary newsgroups
>reasonably well. i.e. click on a message and the message and any contained
>picture would pop up.
>
> Now the geniuses at Microsoft have come up with an "improved" version of
> WLM. This requires me to double click on a message to bring up a thumbnail
> image and I then have to double click on the thumbnail to bring up Windows
> Photo Viewer so that I can actually see the image properly. After that,
> unless I want myriad sessions of WPV running, I have to close the viewer
> and close the thumbnail pane to begin the whole rigmarole once more for
> the next image. Mumble, chunter, grumble......
>
> There does not seem to be an easy way to revert to the previous version of
> WLM
>
> Am I being ultra-dense, or is there an alternative?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Indrek Aavisto
>
> Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult W.S. Churchill
>

[none@given]

On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:34:42 -0500, "Bill & Ange" >
wrote:

>The only alternative is to go through another browser like Firefox.

The real only alternative is to use a proper binary newsreader. Agent
for light use and text groups, something like Newsbin or Newsleecher
for proper binary downloading.

[Trajan[_2_]]

Hi Indrek,
Was this a recent update?
I'm using WLM and not seeing (literally) what you're describing.
I've been using it for a couple years, no changes yet.
Have you posted the question at the MS newsgroup for WLM?
Take care,
Bill Wolcott

"Indrek Aaviso" > wrote in message
...
> I have used Windows Live Mail for a while and it handled binary newsgroups
> reasonably well. i.e. click on a message and the message and any contained
> picture would pop up.
>
> Now the geniuses at Microsoft have come up with an "improved" version of
> WLM. This requires me to double click on a message to bring up a thumbnail
> image and I then have to double click on the thumbnail to bring up Windows
> Photo Viewer so that I can actually see the image properly. After that,
> unless I want myriad sessions of WPV running, I have to close the viewer
> and close the thumbnail pane to begin the whole rigmarole once more for
> the next image. Mumble, chunter, grumble......
>
> There does not seem to be an easy way to revert to the previous version of
> WLM
>
> Am I being ultra-dense, or is there an alternative?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Indrek Aavisto
>
> Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult W.S. Churchill

[Alan Erskine[_4_]]

On 30/11/2010 10:51 AM, none@given wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:34:42 -0500, "Bill& >
> wrote:
>
>> The only alternative is to go through another browser like Firefox.
>
> The real only alternative is to use a proper binary newsreader. Agent
> for light use and text groups, something like Newsbin or Newsleecher
> for proper binary downloading.

(I know I'm going to regret this, even before saying it....) How do you
define "proper"?

[Indrek Aaviso]

"Trajan" wrote in message
...


The problem surfaced a couple of weeks ago.

My WLM is Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922)., but I can't remember exactly
when the update occurred.

There has been no response to my query about this on the Microsoft WLM
newsgroup, though I did read a lot of negative comments about the new
version. It appears that there is a way to revert to the older 2009 version
which I will attempt tomorrow. Stay tuned for the next exciting installment
of this ongoing saga. ;-)

Cheers,

Indrek Aavisto

Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult W.S. Churchill

Hi Indrek,
Was this a recent update?
I'm using WLM and not seeing (literally) what you're describing.
I've been using it for a couple years, no changes yet.
Have you posted the question at the MS newsgroup for WLM?
Take care,
Bill Wolcott

"Indrek Aaviso" > wrote in message
...
> I have used Windows Live Mail for a while and it handled binary newsgroups
> reasonably well. i.e. click on a message and the message and any contained
> picture would pop up.
>
> Now the geniuses at Microsoft have come up with an "improved" version of
> WLM. This requires me to double click on a message to bring up a thumbnail
> image and I then have to double click on the thumbnail to bring up Windows
> Photo Viewer so that I can actually see the image properly. After that,
> unless I want myriad sessions of WPV running, I have to close the viewer
> and close the thumbnail pane to begin the whole rigmarole once more for
> the next image. Mumble, chunter, grumble......
>
> There does not seem to be an easy way to revert to the previous version of
> WLM
>
> Am I being ultra-dense, or is there an alternative?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Indrek Aavisto
>
> Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult W.S. Churchill

[Trajan[_2_]]

Gotcha Indrek, thx. I'll have to keep my eye's peeled for that update and
avoid it.
I've got Version 2009.
Bill Wolcott

"Indrek Aaviso" > wrote in message
...
> "Trajan" wrote in message
> ...
>
>
> The problem surfaced a couple of weeks ago.
>
> My WLM is Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922)., but I can't remember
> exactly when the update occurred.
>
> There has been no response to my query about this on the Microsoft WLM
> newsgroup, though I did read a lot of negative comments about the new
> version. It appears that there is a way to revert to the older 2009
> version which I will attempt tomorrow. Stay tuned for the next exciting
> installment of this ongoing saga. ;-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Indrek Aavisto
>
> Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult W.S. Churchill
>
> Hi Indrek,
> Was this a recent update?
> I'm using WLM and not seeing (literally) what you're describing.
> I've been using it for a couple years, no changes yet.
> Have you posted the question at the MS newsgroup for WLM?
> Take care,
> Bill Wolcott
>
> "Indrek Aaviso" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I have used Windows Live Mail for a while and it handled binary
>> newsgroups reasonably well. i.e. click on a message and the message and
>> any contained picture would pop up.
>>
>> Now the geniuses at Microsoft have come up with an "improved" version of
>> WLM. This requires me to double click on a message to bring up a
>> thumbnail image and I then have to double click on the thumbnail to bring
>> up Windows Photo Viewer so that I can actually see the image properly.
>> After that, unless I want myriad sessions of WPV running, I have to close
>> the viewer and close the thumbnail pane to begin the whole rigmarole
>> once more for the next image. Mumble, chunter, grumble......
>>
>> There does not seem to be an easy way to revert to the previous version
>> of WLM
>>
>> Am I being ultra-dense, or is there an alternative?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Indrek Aavisto
>>
>> Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult W.S. Churchill
>

[RustY ©]

"Alan Erskine" > wrote in message
ond.com...
>> The real only alternative is to use a proper binary newsreader.
>
> (I know I'm going to regret this, even before saying it....) How do you
> define "proper"?
>

That's a tricky question to answer until you have experienced a 'proper' or
'dedicated' newsreader. But Outlook Express and Win Live only have partial
support for newsreading so the word 'proper' is appropriate here. A
newsreader should assemble multi posts for you, it should allow multiple
pictures to be saved to your chosen folder and it should allow multiple pics
to be selected from a folder and posted easily. Now I require yEnc
encoding/decoding too so OE is often unsuitable but a dedicated newsreader
handles all this and more.

This was posted using OE6 which is great for text messages and OK for the
odd picture download but if you want to download a series it's a real pain.
I use Xnews, its free and does the job but there are plenty of free
newsreaders out there. Do try one you'll be glad you took the time to learn
how to use it.

[Mr. Frugal]

"RustY ©" > wrote in
:

snipped
>
> That's a tricky question to answer until you have experienced a
> 'proper' or 'dedicated' newsreader. But Outlook Express and Win Live
> only have partial support for newsreading so the word 'proper' is
> appropriate here. A newsreader should assemble multi posts for you,
> it should allow multiple pictures to be saved to your chosen folder
> and it should allow multiple pics to be selected from a folder and
> posted easily. Now I require yEnc encoding/decoding too so OE is often
> unsuitable but a dedicated newsreader handles all this and more.
>
> This was posted using OE6 which is great for text messages and OK for
> the odd picture download but if you want to download a series it's a
> real pain.

> I use Xnews,

> its free and does the job but there are plenty
> of free newsreaders out there. Do try one you'll be glad you took the
> time to learn how to use it.
>
>
>


Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!! Been using it *without complaint* for about 20 years!

How many other programs are useful beyond 3-5 years?

[Claus Gustafsen]

I'm running Windows 7 with WLM as well and have same problem - I used
Outlook Express for some years and with Vista it disappeared so I took the
offered alternative, runs fine i WIN 7 as well, except this crap with
newsgroups now. Reason I used it was simpliciti of use, one program for both
new and mail, but now it seems I have to find another way....

Claus Gustafsen

"Trajan" skrev i meddelelsen
...

Hi Indrek,
Was this a recent update?
I'm using WLM and not seeing (literally) what you're describing.
I've been using it for a couple years, no changes yet.
Have you posted the question at the MS newsgroup for WLM?
Take care,
Bill Wolcott

"Indrek Aaviso" > wrote in message
...
> I have used Windows Live Mail for a while and it handled binary newsgroups
> reasonably well. i.e. click on a message and the message and any contained
> picture would pop up.
>
> Now the geniuses at Microsoft have come up with an "improved" version of
> WLM. This requires me to double click on a message to bring up a thumbnail
> image and I then have to double click on the thumbnail to bring up Windows
> Photo Viewer so that I can actually see the image properly. After that,
> unless I want myriad sessions of WPV running, I have to close the viewer
> and close the thumbnail pane to begin the whole rigmarole once more for
> the next image. Mumble, chunter, grumble......
>
> There does not seem to be an easy way to revert to the previous version of
> WLM
>
> Am I being ultra-dense, or is there an alternative?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Indrek Aavisto
>
> Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult W.S. Churchill

[Claus Gustafsen]

I'm running Windows 7 with WLM as well and have same problem - I used
Outlook Express for some years and with Vista it disappeared so I took the
offered alternative, runs fine i WIN 7 as well, except this crap with
newsgroups now. Reason I used it was simpliciti of use, one program for both
new and mail, but now it seems I have to find another way....

Claus Gustafsen

"Trajan" skrev i meddelelsen
...

Hi Indrek,
Was this a recent update?
I'm using WLM and not seeing (literally) what you're describing.
I've been using it for a couple years, no changes yet.
Have you posted the question at the MS newsgroup for WLM?
Take care,
Bill Wolcott

"Indrek Aaviso" > wrote in message
...
> I have used Windows Live Mail for a while and it handled binary newsgroups
> reasonably well. i.e. click on a message and the message and any contained
> picture would pop up.
>
> Now the geniuses at Microsoft have come up with an "improved" version of
> WLM. This requires me to double click on a message to bring up a thumbnail
> image and I then have to double click on the thumbnail to bring up Windows
> Photo Viewer so that I can actually see the image properly. After that,
> unless I want myriad sessions of WPV running, I have to close the viewer
> and close the thumbnail pane to begin the whole rigmarole once more for
> the next image. Mumble, chunter, grumble......
>
> There does not seem to be an easy way to revert to the previous version of
> WLM
>
> Am I being ultra-dense, or is there an alternative?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Indrek Aavisto
>
> Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult W.S. Churchill

[Jens Averbeck]

Hi Indrek,

i prefer Mozilla Thunderbird for reading Newsgroup and Pan (
http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/ ) for mass-download of Images etc.
Pan also has a very very good Killfile (for ignoring Messages of certain
individuals), handles Multi-Part Postings, Yenc etc. And its free.

Regards
Jens

Am 29.11.2010 22:02, schrieb Indrek Aaviso:
> I have used Windows Live Mail for a while and it handled binary
> newsgroups reasonably well. i.e. click on a message and the message and
> any contained picture would pop up.
>
> Now the geniuses at Microsoft have come up with an "improved" version of
> WLM. This requires me to double click on a message to bring up a
> thumbnail image and I then have to double click on the thumbnail to
> bring up Windows Photo Viewer so that I can actually see the image
> properly. After that, unless I want myriad sessions of WPV running, I
> have to close the viewer and close the thumbnail pane to begin the whole
> rigmarole once more for the next image. Mumble, chunter, grumble......
>
> There does not seem to be an easy way to revert to the previous version
> of WLM
>
> Am I being ultra-dense, or is there an alternative?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Indrek Aavisto
>
> Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult W.S. Churchill

[Garrapata]

>I have used Windows Live Mail for a while and it handled binary newsgroups
>reasonably well. i.e. click on a message and the message and any contained
>picture would pop up.

Are you sure there isn't an option or setting you've overlooked? It
seems strange that such a basic function would change

>Now the geniuses at Microsoft have come up with an "improved" version of
>WLM. This requires me to double click on a message to bring up a thumbnail
>image and I then have to double click on the thumbnail to bring up Windows
>Photo Viewer so that I can actually see the image properly. After that,
>unless I want myriad sessions of WPV running, I have to close the viewer and
>close the thumbnail pane to begin the whole rigmarole once more for the
>next image. Mumble, chunter, grumble......

Can you associate another viewer? Irfanview lets you open pictures in a
single window - or multiple windows if you prefer, and you can close it
with the esc key
--

09=IX

[Garrapata]

>
>(How many ATT users in here still get newsgroups through ATT?)

........or Comcast
--

09=IX

[Indrek Aaviso]

Thanks to everyone who responded.

I tried Newsleecher. However, after fiddling with it for a while I found it
to be too clunky. Doubtless if I had been willing to spend more time on it I
would have become used to it, but patience is not one of my virtues.

In the end I found out how to revert to the 2009 version of Windows live
Mail, and everything now works the way that I like.

Cheers,

Indrek Aavisto

--
Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult W.S. Churchill

[D. St-Sanvain]

Some statistics about the group.
Number of messages, by name of the news reader.

--
D520
Light aviation : http://tagazous.free.fr
Roundels of the World :
http://cocardes.monde.online.fr/v2html/en/accueil.html

[Sunny]

"Indrek Aaviso" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks to everyone who responded.
>
> I tried Newsleecher. However, after fiddling with it for a while I found
> it to be too clunky. Doubtless if I had been willing to spend more time
> on it I would have become used to it, but patience is not one of my
> virtues.
>
> In the end I found out how to revert to the 2009 version of Windows live
> Mail, and everything now works the way that I like.

Care to share "how to revert to 2009 version" ?

[Alan Erskine[_4_]]

On 30/11/2010 11:37 PM, RustY © wrote:
> "Alan > wrote in message
> ond.com...
>>> The real only alternative is to use a proper binary newsreader.
>>
>> (I know I'm going to regret this, even before saying it....) How do you
>> define "proper"?

>
> This was posted using OE6 which is great for text messages and OK for the
> odd picture download but if you want to download a series it's a real pain.
> I use Xnews, its free and does the job but there are plenty of free
> newsreaders out there. Do try one you'll be glad you took the time to learn
> how to use it.


I use Thunderbird (from Firefox) - it's great compared to OE; hasn't
crashed yet, whereas OE crashed almost daily. Other than that,
Thunderbird reads groups just as well as OE.

[Indrek Aaviso]

"Sunny" > wrote in message ond.com...
>
>
I copied this from the Microsoft WLM newsgroup:


> Windows Live Essentials 2009
> - For XP SP2, Vista, Windows 7, Windows Server 2008
> - Direct download Links:
> Full Version Installer English Language version
> http://g.live.com/1rewlive3/en/wlsetup-all.exe
> Web Version Installer – English Language Version
> http://g.live.com/1rewlive3/en/wlsetup-web.exe
>
> - Microsoft Web Site links(web installer version)
> http://explore.live.com/windows-live-essentials-xp
>
> System Requirements:
> http://explore.live.com/windows-live-system-requirements
>
>
> Note: Direct download links above are for the English language
> installer. For a different country replace the 'en' with the local
> language code.
>
>
> --
> ...winston
> msft mvp mail

Cheers,

Indrek Aavisto
--
Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult W.S. Churchill

[D. St-Sanvain[_2_]]

D. St-Sanvain a écrit :
> Some statistics about the group.
> Number of messages, by name of the news reader.
And by year.

--
D520
Light aviation : http://tagazous.free.fr
Roundels of the World :
http://cocardes.monde.online.fr/v2html/en/accueil.html

[D. St-Sanvain]

D. St-Sanvain a écrit :
> Some statistics about the group.
> Number of messages, by name of the news reader.
And by year.

--
D520
Light aviation : http://tagazous.free.fr
Roundels of the World :
http://cocardes.monde.online.fr/v2html/en/accueil.html

[D. St-Sanvain]

D. St-Sanvain a écrit dans
> :
> D. St-Sanvain a écrit :
>> Some statistics about the group.
>> Number of messages, by name of the news reader.
> And by year.

Besides the number of messages (on my computer) posted by which news
reader, the previous charts shows that the number of messages
decreases.... (For the first years, it's because I do not store old
messages infinitely).
This one show in %. I put Mozilla and Thunderbird together.
OE is decreasing, we see Windows Mail arriving, and goind down, as Live
mail appears.
XNews is regularly increasing. So are "Others" (autres + groupe 1
autres).
Forte Agent and Mozilla seems regular (with two years not so good)

Make your choice :)


--
D520
Light aviation : http://tagazous.free.fr
Roundels of the World :
http://cocardes.monde.online.fr/v2html/en/accueil.html

[Sunny]

"Indrek Aaviso" > wrote in message
...

"Sunny" > wrote in message
ond.com...
>
>
I copied this from the Microsoft WLM newsgroup:


> Windows Live Essentials 2009
> - For XP SP2, Vista, Windows 7, Windows Server 2008
> - Direct download Links:
> Full Version Installer English Language version
> http://g.live.com/1rewlive3/en/wlsetup-all.exe

"IE could not download the file, the server was reset"


> Web Version Installer – English Language Version
> http://g.live.com/1rewlive3/en/wlsetup-web.exe

Saved the site to install on Win7 laptops later (Using WinXP ATM)

Thank you

[flybywire]

i too fell into the MS trap and downloaded in the middle of a load of
updates WLM 2011

what an absolute load of tosh

i too wanted out of the sad new world and found that i could restore my pc
to before the dreaded leech came in. I now have the previous WLM running
with all my newsgroups happy bunnies again. It did play havoc with Norton
firewall but they soon sorted me out.

and breathe

cheers
snowed in Mike


"Bill & Ange" > wrote in message
...
> The only alternative is to go through another browser like Firefox. I've
> got Windows 7 on my laptop and hate trying to go through the Live mail to
> get to the newsgroups. There are some stand-alones that you can access,
> but I haven't checked them out myself yet.
>
>
> "Indrek Aaviso" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I have used Windows Live Mail for a while and it handled binary newsgroups
>>reasonably well. i.e. click on a message and the message and any contained
>>picture would pop up.
>>
>> Now the geniuses at Microsoft have come up with an "improved" version of
>> WLM. This requires me to double click on a message to bring up a
>> thumbnail image and I then have to double click on the thumbnail to bring
>> up Windows Photo Viewer so that I can actually see the image properly.
>> After that, unless I want myriad sessions of WPV running, I have to close
>> the viewer and close the thumbnail pane to begin the whole rigmarole
>> once more for the next image. Mumble, chunter, grumble......
>>
>> There does not seem to be an easy way to revert to the previous version
>> of WLM
>>
>> Am I being ultra-dense, or is there an alternative?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Indrek Aavisto
>>
>> Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult W.S. Churchill
>>
>
>
>

[Auld Phart[_2_]]

On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:51:07 +1100, Alan Erskine
> wrote:

>I use Thunderbird (from Firefox) - it's great compared to OE; hasn't
>crashed yet, whereas OE crashed almost daily. Other than that,
>Thunderbird reads groups just as well as OE.

I would not regard that as an endorsement. Just about anything reads
groups better than OE.

All the complaints about multi-part messages, yenc, and all other
modern practices come from people who think OE is a news reader.

[Mr. Frugal]

Auld Phart > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:51:07 +1100, Alan Erskine
> > wrote:
>
>>I use Thunderbird (from Firefox) - it's great compared to OE; hasn't
>>crashed yet, whereas OE crashed almost daily. Other than that,
>>Thunderbird reads groups just as well as OE.
>
> I would not regard that as an endorsement. Just about anything reads
> groups better than OE.
>
> All the complaints about multi-part messages, yenc, and all other
> modern practices come from people who think OE is a news reader.
>
>
>
>



Thanks Auld Phart.

Been begging them for years to get real newsreaders. But most insist
on making MicroSoft richer for doing nothing. Honest newsreaders
would've cut down 85% of the little wars that break out in here from
time to time.

One of the last wars went on for months... tiring, very tiring.

[John Crawford]

Switch to Eudora. I did

[Mr. Frugal]

John Crawford > wrote in news:EqHJo.826$AC3.503
@newsfe10.iad:

> Switch to Eudora. I did
>


Wow, I didn't know Eudora was still around! I remember it as an
email client. I used the early version of it in the 80s!

My next move (in the early 90s) was into Xnews. Haven't needed to
do anything else regarding Usenet for 20 years. Haven't had to fight
the "yEnc Wars" with the MS Nuthouse Express users.

Xnews just deals with it.

[Garrapata]

>
>Wow, I didn't know Eudora was still around! I remember it as an
>email client. I used the early version of it in the 80s!

Overheard in another group, it has become sort of a Thunderbird
clone/chimera

[QUOTED TEXT]
>it will still look like Eudora, but the internals will be based on the
>Thunderbird code, and it will be free and open source. Here's the
>Qualcomm press release:
>http://www.qualcomm.com/press/releases/2006/061011_project_collaboration_mozilla.html
--

09=IX