ASW27 best offer near $60000.00

[Udo]

Due to health issues over the last two years glider must now be sold.

ASW27 at Brighton Ontario (100 miles east of Toronto)
Built in 1997, 1467 hours as of Feb. 25/09

In good condition, no accident or damage. Race ready. Always stored
indoors by me and the previous owner.
Overall finish good with no waviness
has two minor gel coat cracks.

On order from Cobra, a set of new fuselage tracks.
Old ones got bent when car backed over the end of it.
For now the tracks are serviceable

Basic instruments plus
302 CAI with PDA 1550 with GNII
plus a 302A with a second GNII
& Dittel Radio. Cobra trailer,
wing wheel and tow out gear, also one man rigging aide.


613 475 4009

Regards
Udo

[Tim Mara]

on Wings & Wheels website with pictures
http://www.wingsandwheels.com/wantads1.htm


"Udo" > wrote in message
...
> Due to health issues over the last two years glider must now be sold.
>
> ASW27 at Brighton Ontario (100 miles east of Toronto)
> Built in 1997, 1467 hours as of Feb. 25/09
>
> In good condition, no accident or damage. Race ready. Always stored
> indoors by me and the previous owner.
> Overall finish good with no waviness
> has two minor gel coat cracks.
>
> On order from Cobra, a set of new fuselage tracks.
> Old ones got bent when car backed over the end of it.
> For now the tracks are serviceable
>
> Basic instruments plus
> 302 CAI with PDA 1550 with GNII
> plus a 302A with a second GNII
> & Dittel Radio. Cobra trailer,
> wing wheel and tow out gear, also one man rigging aide.
>
>
> 613 475 4009
>
> Regards
> Udo
>
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[Ramy]

Wow! As an ASW27 owner myself, I must ask why so cheap?? 27 are
normaly sold at around $80,000 with waviness, more without.

Thanks for dropping the value of my glider by 20%!

Ramy


On Nov 30, 3:44*pm, "Tim Mara" > wrote:
> on Wings & Wheels website with pictureshttp://www.wingsandwheels.com/wantads1.htm
>
> "Udo" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Due to health issues over the last two years glider must now be sold.
>
> > ASW27 at Brighton Ontario (100 miles east of Toronto)
> > Built in 1997, 1467 hours as of Feb. 25/09
>
> > In good condition, no accident or damage. Race ready. Always stored
> > indoors by me and the previous owner.
> > Overall finish good with no waviness
> > has two minor gel coat cracks.
>
> > On order from Cobra, a set of new fuselage tracks.
> > Old ones got bent when car backed over the end of it.
> > For now the tracks are serviceable
>
> > Basic instruments plus
> > 302 CAI with PDA 1550 with GNII
> > plus a 302A with a second GNII
> > & Dittel Radio. Cobra trailer,
> > wing wheel and tow out gear, also one man rigging aide.
>
> >
> > 613 475 4009
>
> > Regards
> > Udo
>
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[Matt Herron Jr.]

On Nov 30, 7:07*pm, Ramy > wrote:
> Wow! As an ASW27 owner myself, I must ask why so cheap?? 27 are
> normaly sold at around $80,000 with waviness, more without.
>
> Thanks for dropping the value of my glider by 20%!
>
> Ramy
>
> On Nov 30, 3:44*pm, "Tim Mara" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > on Wings & Wheels website with pictureshttp://www.wingsandwheels.com/wantads1.htm
>
> > "Udo" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > > Due to health issues over the last two years glider must now be sold.
>
> > > ASW27 at Brighton Ontario (100 miles east of Toronto)
> > > Built in 1997, 1467 hours as of Feb. 25/09
>
> > > In good condition, no accident or damage. Race ready. Always stored
> > > indoors by me and the previous owner.
> > > Overall finish good with no waviness
> > > has two minor gel coat cracks.
>
> > > On order from Cobra, a set of new fuselage tracks.
> > > Old ones got bent when car backed over the end of it.
> > > For now the tracks are serviceable
>
> > > Basic instruments plus
> > > 302 CAI with PDA 1550 with GNII
> > > plus a 302A with a second GNII
> > > & Dittel Radio. Cobra trailer,
> > > wing wheel and tow out gear, also one man rigging aide.
>
> > >
> > > 613 475 4009
>
> > > Regards
> > > Udo
>
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Ramy,

In a free market, the value of your glider is determined by what a
buyer is willing to pay for it at the time you are selling it, not by
the price someone else asks for theirs. Even if that price is too
high or too low in your opinion. Unless you are trying to sell yours
today, and have moved to Toronto, I wouldn't sweat it. Anyway, with
the things you have been able to accomplish with yours, I would think
you would fetch a price above "market rate" for your 27b. :-)

Matt



Matt

[Darryl Ramm]

On Nov 30, 9:37*pm, "Matt Herron Jr." > wrote:
> On Nov 30, 7:07*pm, Ramy > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Wow! As an ASW27 owner myself, I must ask why so cheap?? 27 are
> > normaly sold at around $80,000 with waviness, more without.
>
> > Thanks for dropping the value of my glider by 20%!
>
> > Ramy
>
> > On Nov 30, 3:44*pm, "Tim Mara" > wrote:
>
> > > on Wings & Wheels website with pictureshttp://www.wingsandwheels.com/wantads1.htm
>
> > > "Udo" > wrote in message
>
> > ....
>
> > > > Due to health issues over the last two years glider must now be sold.
>
> > > > ASW27 at Brighton Ontario (100 miles east of Toronto)
> > > > Built in 1997, 1467 hours as of Feb. 25/09
>
> > > > In good condition, no accident or damage. Race ready. Always stored
> > > > indoors by me and the previous owner.
> > > > Overall finish good with no waviness
> > > > has two minor gel coat cracks.
>
> > > > On order from Cobra, a set of new fuselage tracks.
> > > > Old ones got bent when car backed over the end of it.
> > > > For now the tracks are serviceable
>
> > > > Basic instruments plus
> > > > 302 CAI with PDA 1550 with GNII
> > > > plus a 302A with a second GNII
> > > > & Dittel Radio. Cobra trailer,
> > > > wing wheel and tow out gear, also one man rigging aide.
>
> > > >
> > > > 613 475 4009
>
> > > > Regards
> > > > Udo
>
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> Ramy,
>
> In a free market, *the value of your glider is determined by what a
> buyer is willing to pay for it at the time you are selling it, not by
> the price someone else asks for theirs. *Even if that price is too
> high or too low in your opinion. *Unless you are trying to sell yours
> today, and have moved to Toronto, I wouldn't sweat it. *Anyway, with
> the things you have been able to accomplish with yours, I would think
> you would fetch a price above "market rate" for your 27b. *:-)
>
> Matt
>
> Matt

Well if we are going to be picky I think its a 27a - and he's worn it
out with all those OLC km, so who knows what its worth.

Darryl

[Ramy]

Sorry folks. I overlooked the health reason behind the sell. My
appology.
I wish Udo a full recovery so he can fly again.

Ramy

On Nov 30, 7:07*pm, Ramy > wrote:
> Wow! As an ASW27 owner myself, I must ask why so cheap?? 27 are
> normaly sold at around $80,000 with waviness, more without.
>
> Thanks for dropping the value of my glider by 20%!
>
> Ramy
>
> On Nov 30, 3:44*pm, "Tim Mara" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > on Wings & Wheels website with pictureshttp://www.wingsandwheels.com/wantads1.htm
>
> > "Udo" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > > Due to health issues over the last two years glider must now be sold.
>
> > > ASW27 at Brighton Ontario (100 miles east of Toronto)
> > > Built in 1997, 1467 hours as of Feb. 25/09
>
> > > In good condition, no accident or damage. Race ready. Always stored
> > > indoors by me and the previous owner.
> > > Overall finish good with no waviness
> > > has two minor gel coat cracks.
>
> > > On order from Cobra, a set of new fuselage tracks.
> > > Old ones got bent when car backed over the end of it.
> > > For now the tracks are serviceable
>
> > > Basic instruments plus
> > > 302 CAI with PDA 1550 with GNII
> > > plus a 302A with a second GNII
> > > & Dittel Radio. Cobra trailer,
> > > wing wheel and tow out gear, also one man rigging aide.
>
> > >
> > > 613 475 4009
>
> > > Regards
> > > Udo
>
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>
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[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

On 11/30/2010 9:37 PM, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:

> Ramy,
>
> In a free market, the value of your glider is determined by what a
> buyer is willing to pay for it at the time you are selling it, not by
> the price someone else asks for theirs. Even if that price is too
> high or too low in your opinion. Unless you are trying to sell yours
> today, and have moved to Toronto, I wouldn't sweat it. Anyway, with
> the things you have been able to accomplish with yours, I would think
> you would fetch a price above "market rate" for your 27b. :-)

The free market response, if you really believed it was seriously
underpriced, would be to immediately buy it, then flip it ("sell it
quickly at a higher price", just in case "flip it" has other meanings
outside the USA).

I hope Udo can invest the money he gets from selling it, and buy another
glider when his health improves.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Feb/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://tinyurl.com/yb3xywl
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation Mar/2004" Much of what
you need to know tinyurl.com/yfs7tnz

[Kevin Christner]

On Nov 30, 7:07*pm, Ramy > wrote:
> Wow! As an ASW27 owner myself, I must ask why so cheap?? 27 are
> normaly sold at around $80,000 with waviness, more without.
>
> Thanks for dropping the value of my glider by 20%!
>
> Ramy
>
It's an early 27 and not entirely sure but I think it has bags and
doesn't get up to gross weight easily. Its worth a lot less than the
B's.

2C

[[email protected]]

On Dec 1, 11:54*am, Kevin Christner > wrote:
> On Nov 30, 7:07*pm, Ramy > wrote:> Wow! As an ASW27 owner myself, I must ask why so cheap?? 27 are
> > normaly sold at around $80,000 with waviness, more without.
>
> > Thanks for dropping the value of my glider by 20%!
>
> > Ramy
>
> *It's an early 27 and not entirely sure but I think it has bags and
> doesn't get up to gross weight easily. *Its worth a lot less than the
> B's.
>
> 2C

My 27 "A" goes to 1102 without fuselage tank. Wings have less waviness
than most B's and have never had to
be refinished. Given this, I'm not sure your statement is correct.
Condition of individual glider is more important from my experience.
UH

[John Cochrane[_2_]]

On Dec 1, 11:08*am, wrote:
> On Dec 1, 11:54*am, Kevin Christner > wrote:
>
> > On Nov 30, 7:07*pm, Ramy > wrote:> Wow! As an ASW27 owner myself, I must ask why so cheap?? 27 are
> > > normaly sold at around $80,000 with waviness, more without.
>
> > > Thanks for dropping the value of my glider by 20%!
>
> > > Ramy
>
> > *It's an early 27 and not entirely sure but I think it has bags and
> > doesn't get up to gross weight easily. *Its worth a lot less than the
> > B's.
>
> > 2C
>
> My 27 "A" goes to 1102 without fuselage tank. Wings have less waviness
> than most B's and have never had to
> be refinished. Given this, I'm not sure your statement is correct.
> Condition of individual glider is more important from my experience.
> UH

Yeah, my B is easier to fill than A's, but it just finished its third
refinish for waviness. As seem not to have that problem. As need
bigger winglets, but that's easier to fix. And the need for that last
50 pounds of weight is overstated. Anything UH says is right.

John Cochrane

[Dan[_6_]]

On Dec 1, 9:30*am, John Cochrane >
wrote:
> On Dec 1, 11:08*am, wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 1, 11:54*am, Kevin Christner > wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 30, 7:07*pm, Ramy > wrote:> Wow! As an ASW27 owner myself, I must ask why so cheap?? 27 are
> > > > normaly sold at around $80,000 with waviness, more without.
>
> > > > Thanks for dropping the value of my glider by 20%!
>
> > > > Ramy
>
> > > *It's an early 27 and not entirely sure but I think it has bags and
> > > doesn't get up to gross weight easily. *Its worth a lot less than the
> > > B's.
>
> > > 2C
>
> > My 27 "A" goes to 1102 without fuselage tank. Wings have less waviness
> > than most B's and have never had to
> > be refinished. Given this, I'm not sure your statement is correct.
> > Condition of individual glider is more important from my experience.
> > UH
>
> Yeah, my B is easier to fill than A's, but it just finished its third
> refinish for waviness. As seem not to have that problem. As need
> bigger winglets, but that's easier to fix. And the need for that last
> 50 pounds of weight is overstated. Anything UH says is right.
>
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a friend of mine just checked and it sounds like it already sold.
I think a quick uncomplicated sale was what Udo was trying to do.
Dan
WO

[Kevin Christner]

On Dec 1, 9:08*am, wrote:
> On Dec 1, 11:54*am, Kevin Christner > wrote:
>
> > On Nov 30, 7:07*pm, Ramy > wrote:> Wow! As an ASW27 owner myself, I must ask why so cheap?? 27 are
> > > normaly sold at around $80,000 with waviness, more without.
>
> > > Thanks for dropping the value of my glider by 20%!
>
> > > Ramy
>
> > *It's an early 27 and not entirely sure but I think it has bags and
> > doesn't get up to gross weight easily. *Its worth a lot less than the
> > B's.
>
> > 2C
>
> My 27 "A" goes to 1102 without fuselage tank. Wings have less waviness
> than most B's and have never had to
> be refinished. Given this, I'm not sure your statement is correct.
> Condition of individual glider is more important from my experience.
> UH

Glad it works for you. Unfortunately some of us don't have the
requisite amount of human ballast.

2C

[hretting]

Who u calling whale?

[[email protected]]

On Dec 1, 1:41*pm, Kevin Christner > wrote:
> On Dec 1, 9:08*am, wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 1, 11:54*am, Kevin Christner > wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 30, 7:07*pm, Ramy > wrote:> Wow! As an ASW27 owner myself, I must ask why so cheap?? 27 are
> > > > normaly sold at around $80,000 with waviness, more without.
>
> > > > Thanks for dropping the value of my glider by 20%!
>
> > > > Ramy
>
> > > *It's an early 27 and not entirely sure but I think it has bags and
> > > doesn't get up to gross weight easily. *Its worth a lot less than the
> > > B's.
>
> > > 2C
>
> > My 27 "A" goes to 1102 without fuselage tank. Wings have less waviness
> > than most B's and have never had to
> > be refinished. Given this, I'm not sure your statement is correct.
> > Condition of individual glider is more important from my experience.
> > UH
>
> Glad it works for you. *Unfortunately some of us don't have the
> requisite amount of human ballast.
>
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It has more to do with the size of the bags than the mass of the ass.
Many A's had small bags.
I stand by my statement condition is #1 consideration.
Mods next
A or B third.
Have one of each.
UH

[Kevin Christner]

On Dec 1, 12:42*pm, wrote:
> On Dec 1, 1:41*pm, Kevin Christner > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 1, 9:08*am, wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 1, 11:54*am, Kevin Christner > wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 30, 7:07*pm, Ramy > wrote:> Wow! As an ASW27 owner myself, I must ask why so cheap?? 27 are
> > > > > normaly sold at around $80,000 with waviness, more without.
>
> > > > > Thanks for dropping the value of my glider by 20%!
>
> > > > > Ramy
>
> > > > *It's an early 27 and not entirely sure but I think it has bags and
> > > > doesn't get up to gross weight easily. *Its worth a lot less than the
> > > > B's.
>
> > > > 2C
>
> > > My 27 "A" goes to 1102 without fuselage tank. Wings have less waviness
> > > than most B's and have never had to
> > > be refinished. Given this, I'm not sure your statement is correct.
> > > Condition of individual glider is more important from my experience.
> > > UH
>
> > Glad it works for you. *Unfortunately some of us don't have the
> > requisite amount of human ballast.
>
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> > - Show quoted text -
>
> It has more to do with the size of the bags than the mass of the ass.
> Many A's had small bags.

Exactly the point of what I originally said and a good question for
potential buyers to ask.

2C