N482BG / C-GHMY Jantar Standard 2 history request

[lynn]

I recently was high bidder at a bankruptcy auction in Ohio for the
subject sailplane and trailer. I took a chance on it as I live 1000
miles away and only became aware of the sale some 20 hours before
closing. All I could get out of the auctioneer was it did not appear
to be broken! Got my bid in 10 minutes before closing (Wednesday 12/8
10:30 am), remained high bidder til closing. I immediately started
driving from Dallas to Cinncinati area trying to make the round trip
before the bad weather was to arrive. Arrived the next day around noon
and found the following: Visual on the glider showed no apparent
damage and actually looked very nice from a look around while in the
trailer. Log book showed 271 flights and 421 hours total. Last flying
was summer 2000 out of Caesar Creek. Apparently was kept in the
trailer at the airport for 10 years! The trailer tags were long
expired, the taillights damaged with only one actually working
properly. The tires could not be trusted having sat for so long
outdoors, so I replaced them after 10 miles of towing, checked and
repacked the bearings. Thought about getting a trip permit but was
told the B.of M.V. was some distance away in the wrong direction and
as it was close to closing time, didn't feel I would be successful
that day. Blizzard conditions were on the way and another day's wait
might not be advisable. Tried to fix the bad light but was
unsuccessful after one hour of work at a trailer repair place. They
suggested getting temporary lights with magnetic base--its an aluminum
trailer!! Decided to go for it and headed south stopping at dusk.
Arrived home Friday evening safely. After putting the glider in my
shop and examining it closely I found it is missing seat belts and the
pin for connecting the horizontal stabilizer to the fin. Also no
battery pack. I will order a new pin shortly but perhaps someone out
there knows the previous owner and can put me in contact on the chance
he still has it. Any info on why it was not used for ten years would
be appreciated, as well. It was register in the U.S.A. for 1999 and
2000. Previously registered in Canada and flown primarily out of
Chemung. Lynn

[lanebush]

On Dec 15, 10:57*am, lynn > wrote:
> I recently was high bidder at a bankruptcy auction in Ohio for the
> subject sailplane and trailer. I took a chance on it as I live 1000
> miles away and only became aware of the sale some 20 hours before
> closing. All I could get out of the auctioneer was it did not appear
> to be broken! Got my bid in 10 minutes before closing (Wednesday 12/8
> 10:30 am), remained high bidder til closing. I immediately started
> driving from Dallas to Cinncinati area trying to make the round trip
> before the bad weather was to arrive. Arrived the next day around noon
> and found the following: Visual on the glider showed no apparent
> damage and actually looked very nice from a look around while in the
> trailer. Log book showed 271 flights and 421 hours total. Last flying
> was summer 2000 out of Caesar Creek. Apparently was kept in the
> trailer at the airport for 10 years! The trailer tags were long
> expired, the taillights damaged with only one actually working
> properly. The tires could not be trusted having sat for so long
> outdoors, so I replaced them after 10 miles of towing, checked and
> repacked the bearings. Thought about getting a trip permit but was
> told the B.of M.V. was some distance away in the wrong direction and
> as it was close to closing time, didn't feel I would be successful
> that day. Blizzard conditions were on the way and another day's wait
> might not be advisable. Tried to fix the bad light but was
> unsuccessful after one hour of work at a trailer repair place. They
> suggested getting temporary lights with magnetic base--its an aluminum
> trailer!! Decided to go for it and headed south stopping at dusk.
> Arrived home Friday evening safely. After putting the glider in my
> shop and examining it closely I found it is missing seat belts and the
> pin for connecting the horizontal stabilizer to the fin. Also no
> battery pack. I will order a new pin shortly but perhaps someone out
> there knows the previous owner and can put me in contact on the chance
> he still has it. Any info on why it was not used for ten years would
> be appreciated, as well. It was register in the U.S.A. for 1999 and
> 2000. Previously registered in Canada and flown primarily out of
> Chemung. Lynn

Congratulations, I posted a request for info on RAS a few days for
before the auction closed and got no response from anyone. Someone
should know the history on this ship! Have you tried calling the
registered owner? Were you able to get a bill of sale?

Lane
XF

[lanebush]

On Dec 15, 11:20*am, lanebush > wrote:
> On Dec 15, 10:57*am, lynn > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I recently was high bidder at a bankruptcy auction in Ohio for the
> > subject sailplane and trailer. I took a chance on it as I live 1000
> > miles away and only became aware of the sale some 20 hours before
> > closing. All I could get out of the auctioneer was it did not appear
> > to be broken! Got my bid in 10 minutes before closing (Wednesday 12/8
> > 10:30 am), remained high bidder til closing. I immediately started
> > driving from Dallas to Cinncinati area trying to make the round trip
> > before the bad weather was to arrive. Arrived the next day around noon
> > and found the following: Visual on the glider showed no apparent
> > damage and actually looked very nice from a look around while in the
> > trailer. Log book showed 271 flights and 421 hours total. Last flying
> > was summer 2000 out of Caesar Creek. Apparently was kept in the
> > trailer at the airport for 10 years! The trailer tags were long
> > expired, the taillights damaged with only one actually working
> > properly. The tires could not be trusted having sat for so long
> > outdoors, so I replaced them after 10 miles of towing, checked and
> > repacked the bearings. Thought about getting a trip permit but was
> > told the B.of M.V. was some distance away in the wrong direction and
> > as it was close to closing time, didn't feel I would be successful
> > that day. Blizzard conditions were on the way and another day's wait
> > might not be advisable. Tried to fix the bad light but was
> > unsuccessful after one hour of work at a trailer repair place. They
> > suggested getting temporary lights with magnetic base--its an aluminum
> > trailer!! Decided to go for it and headed south stopping at dusk.
> > Arrived home Friday evening safely. After putting the glider in my
> > shop and examining it closely I found it is missing seat belts and the
> > pin for connecting the horizontal stabilizer to the fin. Also no
> > battery pack. I will order a new pin shortly but perhaps someone out
> > there knows the previous owner and can put me in contact on the chance
> > he still has it. Any info on why it was not used for ten years would
> > be appreciated, as well. It was register in the U.S.A. for 1999 and
> > 2000. Previously registered in Canada and flown primarily out of
> > Chemung. Lynn
>
> Congratulations, *I posted a request for info on RAS a few days for
> before the auction closed and got no response from anyone. *Someone
> should know the history on this ship! *Have you tried calling the
> registered owner? *Were you able to get a bill of sale?
>
> Lane
> XF

Sorry, I just saw your post on my previous thread. Again,
congratulations. I hope you get here flying.

Lane

[lanebush]

On Dec 15, 11:20*am, lanebush > wrote:
> On Dec 15, 10:57*am, lynn > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I recently was high bidder at a bankruptcy auction in Ohio for the
> > subject sailplane and trailer. I took a chance on it as I live 1000
> > miles away and only became aware of the sale some 20 hours before
> > closing. All I could get out of the auctioneer was it did not appear
> > to be broken! Got my bid in 10 minutes before closing (Wednesday 12/8
> > 10:30 am), remained high bidder til closing. I immediately started
> > driving from Dallas to Cinncinati area trying to make the round trip
> > before the bad weather was to arrive. Arrived the next day around noon
> > and found the following: Visual on the glider showed no apparent
> > damage and actually looked very nice from a look around while in the
> > trailer. Log book showed 271 flights and 421 hours total. Last flying
> > was summer 2000 out of Caesar Creek. Apparently was kept in the
> > trailer at the airport for 10 years! The trailer tags were long
> > expired, the taillights damaged with only one actually working
> > properly. The tires could not be trusted having sat for so long
> > outdoors, so I replaced them after 10 miles of towing, checked and
> > repacked the bearings. Thought about getting a trip permit but was
> > told the B.of M.V. was some distance away in the wrong direction and
> > as it was close to closing time, didn't feel I would be successful
> > that day. Blizzard conditions were on the way and another day's wait
> > might not be advisable. Tried to fix the bad light but was
> > unsuccessful after one hour of work at a trailer repair place. They
> > suggested getting temporary lights with magnetic base--its an aluminum
> > trailer!! Decided to go for it and headed south stopping at dusk.
> > Arrived home Friday evening safely. After putting the glider in my
> > shop and examining it closely I found it is missing seat belts and the
> > pin for connecting the horizontal stabilizer to the fin. Also no
> > battery pack. I will order a new pin shortly but perhaps someone out
> > there knows the previous owner and can put me in contact on the chance
> > he still has it. Any info on why it was not used for ten years would
> > be appreciated, as well. It was register in the U.S.A. for 1999 and
> > 2000. Previously registered in Canada and flown primarily out of
> > Chemung. Lynn
>
> Congratulations, *I posted a request for info on RAS a few days for
> before the auction closed and got no response from anyone. *Someone
> should know the history on this ship! *Have you tried calling the
> registered owner? *Were you able to get a bill of sale?
>
> Lane
> XF

I just saw your reply to my earlier post. Congratulations, I hope
you have many hours of enjoyment with her.

Lane

[Greg Arnold[_2_]]

The fellow who bought it in 1999 is still listed on the FAA website:

http://tinyurl.com/2afy3yr



On 12/15/2010 8:20 AM, lanebush wrote:
> On Dec 15, 10:57 am, > wrote:
>> I recently was high bidder at a bankruptcy auction in Ohio for the
>> subject sailplane and trailer.

[stuff omitted]

After putting the glider in my
>> shop and examining it closely I found it is missing seat belts and the
>> pin for connecting the horizontal stabilizer to the fin. Also no
>> battery pack. I will order a new pin shortly but perhaps someone out
>> there knows the previous owner and can put me in contact on the chance
>> he still has it. Any info on why it was not used for ten years would
>> be appreciated, as well. It was register in the U.S.A. for 1999 and
>> 2000. Previously registered in Canada and flown primarily out of
>> Chemung. Lynn
>
> Congratulations, I posted a request for info on RAS a few days for
> before the auction closed and got no response from anyone. Someone
> should know the history on this ship! Have you tried calling the
> registered owner? Were you able to get a bill of sale?
>
> Lane
> XF

[Frank Whiteley]

On Dec 15, 10:08*am, Greg Arnold > wrote:
> The fellow who bought it in 1999 is still listed on the FAA website:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2afy3yr
>
He's stilled listed as an active SSA member also.

[lynn]

On Dec 15, 11:48*am, Frank Whiteley > wrote:
> On Dec 15, 10:08*am, Greg Arnold > wrote:> The fellow who bought it in 1999 is still listed on the FAA website:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/2afy3yr
>
> He's stilled listed as an active SSA member also.

I have tried all avenues I know of to reach him but all phone numbers
are disconnected and an email address I obtained from a Caesar Creek
member has not been answered. Lynn

[Mike Schumann]

On 12/15/2010 10:57 AM, lynn wrote:
> I recently was high bidder at a bankruptcy auction in Ohio for the
> subject sailplane and trailer. I took a chance on it as I live 1000
> miles away and only became aware of the sale some 20 hours before
> closing. All I could get out of the auctioneer was it did not appear
> to be broken! Got my bid in 10 minutes before closing (Wednesday 12/8
> 10:30 am), remained high bidder til closing. I immediately started
> driving from Dallas to Cinncinati area trying to make the round trip
> before the bad weather was to arrive. Arrived the next day around noon
> and found the following: Visual on the glider showed no apparent
> damage and actually looked very nice from a look around while in the
> trailer. Log book showed 271 flights and 421 hours total. Last flying
> was summer 2000 out of Caesar Creek. Apparently was kept in the
> trailer at the airport for 10 years! The trailer tags were long
> expired, the taillights damaged with only one actually working
> properly. The tires could not be trusted having sat for so long
> outdoors, so I replaced them after 10 miles of towing, checked and
> repacked the bearings. Thought about getting a trip permit but was
> told the B.of M.V. was some distance away in the wrong direction and
> as it was close to closing time, didn't feel I would be successful
> that day. Blizzard conditions were on the way and another day's wait
> might not be advisable. Tried to fix the bad light but was
> unsuccessful after one hour of work at a trailer repair place. They
> suggested getting temporary lights with magnetic base--its an aluminum
> trailer!! Decided to go for it and headed south stopping at dusk.
> Arrived home Friday evening safely. After putting the glider in my
> shop and examining it closely I found it is missing seat belts and the
> pin for connecting the horizontal stabilizer to the fin. Also no
> battery pack. I will order a new pin shortly but perhaps someone out
> there knows the previous owner and can put me in contact on the chance
> he still has it. Any info on why it was not used for ten years would
> be appreciated, as well. It was register in the U.S.A. for 1999 and
> 2000. Previously registered in Canada and flown primarily out of
> Chemung. Lynn

Can we ask how much you paid for this glider? Just curious what kind of
deals there are to be had at these types of auctions.

--
Mike Schumann

[lynn]

On Dec 15, 1:20*pm, Mike Schumann >
wrote:
> On 12/15/2010 10:57 AM, lynn wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I recently was high bidder at a bankruptcy auction in Ohio for the
> > subject sailplane and trailer. I took a chance on it as I live 1000
> > miles away and only became aware of the sale some 20 hours before
> > closing. All I could get out of the auctioneer was it did not appear
> > to be broken! Got my bid in 10 minutes before closing (Wednesday 12/8
> > 10:30 am), remained high bidder til closing. I immediately started
> > driving from Dallas to Cinncinati area trying to make the round trip
> > before the bad weather was to arrive. Arrived the next day around noon
> > and found the following: Visual on the glider showed no apparent
> > damage and actually looked very nice from a look around while in the
> > trailer. Log book showed 271 flights and 421 hours total. Last flying
> > was summer 2000 out of Caesar Creek. Apparently was kept in the
> > trailer at the airport for 10 years! The trailer tags were long
> > expired, the taillights damaged with only one actually working
> > properly. The tires could not be trusted having sat for so long
> > outdoors, so I replaced them after 10 miles of towing, checked and
> > repacked the bearings. Thought about getting a trip permit but was
> > told the B.of M.V. was some distance away in the wrong direction and
> > as it was close to closing time, didn't feel I would be successful
> > that day. Blizzard conditions were on the way and another day's wait
> > might not be advisable. Tried to fix the bad light but was
> > unsuccessful after one hour of work at a trailer repair place. They
> > suggested getting temporary lights with magnetic base--its an aluminum
> > trailer!! Decided to go for it and headed south stopping at dusk.
> > Arrived home Friday evening safely. After putting the glider in my
> > shop and examining it closely I found it is missing seat belts and the
> > pin for connecting the horizontal stabilizer to the fin. Also no
> > battery pack. I will order a new pin shortly but perhaps someone out
> > there knows the previous owner and can put me in contact on the chance
> > he still has it. Any info on why it was not used for ten years would
> > be appreciated, as well. It was register in the U.S.A. for 1999 and
> > 2000. Previously registered in Canada and flown primarily out of
> > Chemung. Lynn
>
> Can we ask how much you paid for this glider? *Just curious what kind of
> deals there are to be had at these types of auctions.
>
> --
> Mike Schumann- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

$7,100 plus buyer fee of 15% totals to $8165 as is. Trailer tires had
to be replaced and the trailer wiring and lights also (Schreder type
aluminum trailer in good shape). Need seat belts and tail pin. The pin
is obtainable but have not been quoted a price yet. It has a Filser
DX50AI GPS NAV/vario with data logger unit, Rico vario, Dittel ATR 720
Comm radio, altimeter, PZL vario, PZL compass, and A/S. No microphone.
No parachute. Condition of the glider appears very good. Lynn

[Tony[_5_]]

> $7,100 plus buyer fee of 15% totals to $8165 as is. Trailer tires had
> to be replaced and the trailer wiring and lights also (Schreder type
> aluminum trailer in good shape). Need seat belts and tail pin. The pin
> is obtainable but have not been quoted a price yet. It has a Filser
> DX50AI GPS NAV/vario with data logger unit, Rico vario, Dittel ATR 720
> Comm radio, altimeter, PZL vario, PZL compass, and A/S. No microphone.
> No parachute. Condition of the glider appears very good. Lynn

nice! you are an inspiration to us all.

[GK[_2_]]

> $7,100 plus buyer fee of 15% totals to $8165 as is. Trailer tires had
> to be replaced and the trailer wiring and lights also (Schreder type
> aluminum trailer in good shape). Need seat belts and tail pin. The pin
> is obtainable but have not been quoted a price yet. It has a Filser
> DX50AI GPS NAV/vario with data logger unit, Rico vario, Dittel ATR 720
> Comm radio, altimeter, PZL vario, PZL compass, and A/S. No microphone.
> No parachute. Condition of the glider appears very good. Lynn- Hide quoted text -


Congrats on the deal. I was trying to convince some of my club
members to participate... However the auction description was very
sketchy and the bank rep./contact was no help at all. On another
note: SZD has a good customer support so getting parts should be no
problem at all. Post some pictures once you get a chance.

GK

[Mark Jardini]

I love that RICO "geiger counter" audio. The hockey puck on edge
display is odd though.

Why don't modern varios give a menu of audio styles or let you program
in your own? It would be a nice selling point.

mj

[lynn]

On Dec 15, 2:22*pm, GK > wrote:
> > $7,100 plus buyer fee of 15% totals to $8165 as is. Trailer tires had
> > to be replaced and the trailer wiring and lights also (Schreder type
> > aluminum trailer in good shape). Need seat belts and tail pin. The pin
> > is obtainable but have not been quoted a price yet. It has a Filser
> > DX50AI GPS NAV/vario with data logger unit, Rico vario, Dittel ATR 720
> > Comm radio, altimeter, PZL vario, PZL compass, and A/S. No microphone.
> > No parachute. Condition of the glider appears very good. Lynn- Hide quoted text -
>
> * Congrats on the deal. I was trying to convince some of my club
> members to participate... However the auction description was very
> sketchy and the bank rep./contact was no help at all. *On another
> note: SZD has a good customer support so getting parts should be no
> problem at all. Post some pictures once you get a chance.
>
> GK

I would be happy to post the pictures but my computer illiterate brain
says the posting procedure does not explain this process. Any help out
there?

[GK[_2_]]

On Dec 15, 7:08*pm, lynn > wrote:
> On Dec 15, 2:22*pm, GK > wrote:
>
> > > $7,100 plus buyer fee of 15% totals to $8165 as is. Trailer tires had
> > > to be replaced and the trailer wiring and lights also (Schreder type
> > > aluminum trailer in good shape). Need seat belts and tail pin. The pin
> > > is obtainable but have not been quoted a price yet. It has a Filser
> > > DX50AI GPS NAV/vario with data logger unit, Rico vario, Dittel ATR 720
> > > Comm radio, altimeter, PZL vario, PZL compass, and A/S. No microphone..
> > > No parachute. Condition of the glider appears very good. Lynn- Hide quoted text -
>
> > * Congrats on the deal. I was trying to convince some of my club
> > members to participate... However the auction description was very
> > sketchy and the bank rep./contact was no help at all. *On another
> > note: SZD has a good customer support so getting parts should be no
> > problem at all. Post some pictures once you get a chance.
>
> > GK
>
> I would be happy to post the pictures but my computer illiterate brain
> says the posting procedure does not explain this process. Any help out
> there?

- Easiest way would probably be: picasaweb.google.com Service is
pretty self-explanatory.
Requires esablishing google account and if you download the picassa
application it gets even easier.
I hope that helps,

GK

[[email protected]]

>
> > > > $7,100 plus buyer fee of 15% totals to $8165 as is. Trailer tires had
> > > > to be replaced and the trailer wiring and lights also (Schreder type
> > > > aluminum trailer in good shape). Need seat belts and tail pin. The pin
> > > > is obtainable but have not been quoted a price yet. It has a Filser
> > > > DX50AI GPS NAV/vario with data logger unit, Rico vario, Dittel ATR 720
> > > > Comm radio, altimeter, PZL vario, PZL compass, and A/S. No microphone.
> > > > No parachute. Condition of the glider appears very good. Lynn- Hide quoted text -


I am not impressed with the fact you apparently did not perform any
significant direct due diligence such as AD and TN search, contact the
mfg for evidence of spares and support, factory certification info
(TCDS), Title seach with 337 's, cerification and registration
history, ect. AOPA has done the Title search containing 80% of the
above info for $100 US for me within 24 hrs. The other 20% could have
been done in an hour of googling.

There is lots of older glass out there, prices are not much more than
10k if you look around. I hope you have at least flown this type and
know what you are getting into. If so, and it is a flyable ship, it
won't matter in a few years if you paid too much or too little.

Good luck;

aerodyne

[shkdriver]

;757949]
$7,100 plus buyer fee of 15% totals to $8165 as is. Trailer tires had
to be replaced and the trailer wiring and lights also (Schreder type
aluminum trailer in good shape). Need seat belts and tail pin. The pin
is obtainable but have not been quoted a price yet. It has a Filser
DX50AI GPS NAV/vario with data logger unit, Rico vario, Dittel ATR 720
Comm radio, altimeter, PZL vario, PZL compass, and A/S. No microphone.
No parachute. Condition of the glider appears very good. Lynn- Hide quoted text -


I am not impressed.




Hey, congratulations,
You stated that you bid close to the end of the auction. While gutsy, I think you did fine, it sounds like you knew it was a gamble. and are now doing "due diligence". also it sounds like you got at least some of the logbooks! BTW I'm flying a lx filser dx50 fai logger, I like it a lot! great support from lx on that instrument.
Good luck and thanks for sharing!
Scott.

[Tim Taylor]

On Dec 16, 6:22*pm, wrote:
> > > > > $7,100 plus buyer fee of 15% totals to $8165 as is. Trailer tires had
> > > > > to be replaced and the trailer wiring and lights also (Schreder type
> > > > > aluminum trailer in good shape). Need seat belts and tail pin. The pin
> > > > > is obtainable but have not been quoted a price yet. It has a Filser
> > > > > DX50AI GPS NAV/vario with data logger unit, Rico vario, Dittel ATR 720
> > > > > Comm radio, altimeter, PZL vario, PZL compass, and A/S. No microphone.
> > > > > No parachute. Condition of the glider appears very good. Lynn- Hide quoted text -
>
> I am not impressed with the fact you apparently did not perform any
> significant direct due diligence such as AD and TN search, contact the
> mfg for evidence of spares and support, factory certification info
> (TCDS), Title seach with 337 's, cerification and registration
> history, ect. *AOPA has done the Title search containing 80% of the
> above info for $100 US for me within 24 hrs. The other 20% could have
> been done in an hour of googling.
>
> There is lots of older glass out there, prices are not much more than
> 10k if you look around. *I hope you have at least flown this type and
> know what you are getting into. *If so, and it is a flyable ship, it
> won't matter in a few years if you paid too much or too little.
>
> Good luck;
>
> aerodyne

Aerodyne,

Are you Linnie the Lurker come back to haunt us? Bah Humbug, etc.

Lynn bought a ship through an auction, when was he suppose to get all
this information. The Auction house was extremely not helpful prior
to the sell.

Please point me int he direction of these $10K glass ships, I would
like to buy a few of them for our club.

[Grider Pirate]

On Dec 16, 7:43*pm, Tim Taylor > wrote:
> On Dec 16, 6:22*pm, wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > $7,100 plus buyer fee of 15% totals to $8165 as is. Trailer tires had
> > > > > > to be replaced and the trailer wiring and lights also (Schreder type
> > > > > > aluminum trailer in good shape). Need seat belts and tail pin. The pin
> > > > > > is obtainable but have not been quoted a price yet. It has a Filser
> > > > > > DX50AI GPS NAV/vario with data logger unit, Rico vario, Dittel ATR 720
> > > > > > Comm radio, altimeter, PZL vario, PZL compass, and A/S. No microphone.
> > > > > > No parachute. Condition of the glider appears very good. Lynn- Hide quoted text -
>
> > I am not impressed with the fact you apparently did not perform any
> > significant direct due diligence such as AD and TN search, contact the
> > mfg for evidence of spares and support, factory certification info
> > (TCDS), Title seach with 337 's, cerification and registration
> > history, ect. *AOPA has done the Title search containing 80% of the
> > above info for $100 US for me within 24 hrs. The other 20% could have
> > been done in an hour of googling.
>
> > There is lots of older glass out there, prices are not much more than
> > 10k if you look around. *I hope you have at least flown this type and
> > know what you are getting into. *If so, and it is a flyable ship, it
> > won't matter in a few years if you paid too much or too little.
>
> > Good luck;
>
> > aerodyne
>
> Aerodyne,
>
> Are you Linnie the Lurker come back to haunt us? Bah Humbug, etc.
>
> Lynn bought a ship through an auction, when was he suppose to get all
> this information. *The Auction house was extremely not helpful prior
> to the sell.
>
> Please point me int he direction of these $10K glass ships, I would
> like to buy a few of them for our club.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I want one too!

[Bob Kuykendall]

On Dec 16, 7:43*pm, Tim Taylor > wrote:

> Are you Linnie the Lurker come back to haunt us?

I commissioned several parts from Lennie. He is or was a good and
conscientious machinist, and most gracious in private correspondence.

Bob K.

[lanebush]

Aerodyne,

This man new he was making a 7K dice roll. Maybe your disappointment
is the fact that his gamble has been fun for him.

XF

[[email protected]]

On Dec 17, 7:19*am, lanebush > wrote:
> Aerodyne,
>
> This man new he was making a 7K dice roll. *Maybe your disappointment
> is the fact that his gamble has been fun for him.
>
> XF

No doubt on some level he knew he was making a gamble. From his post,
he did not have enough information to assess how much of a gamble.
"Looking at it, it did not appear to have damage"? Was there no AI in
that city he could have called?

Time will tell how much "fun" he will have when he gets into it.
Possessions bring responsibility. My field is littered with derelict
ships and trailers bought by folks who bought said items under time
pressure, or because they thought the price was too good to pass up.
Upon talking to some of them, the main items they did not consider
are:

Am I comfortable flying this ship? One new student was talked into
buying a LAK by his CFIG! Another student bought a 1-35, both sitting
unused.
Can I afford to do the required maintenance/repairs?
How much will it cost to own, does owning make any sort of financial
sense based on how much I am gong to fly it?

I think if you look around your field, you will find similar ships.
Here, apart from the LAK and 1-35 there is a Club Libelle, Ventus,
Twin Astir, G-102, and even more that I cannot recall at the moment.
It is hard when then have not been seen out of the trailer in years.

As for blowing smoke on the 10k and above issue, the asking prices in
W&W are just that, not sales data. How about a G-103 for 12k WITH
trailer? That is a real, recent data point. Here is another data
point, in 2 out of 6 glider title searches, I found liens!

There is no shortage of cheerleaders in this type of situation.
Consider the fact that in the end, that may not be helpful.

aerodyne

[Sandy Stevenson]

On Dec 17, 9:10*am, wrote:
> On Dec 17, 7:19*am, lanebush > wrote:
>
> > Aerodyne,
>
> > This man new he was making a 7K dice roll. *Maybe your disappointment
> > is the fact that his gamble has been fun for him.
>
> > XF
>
> No doubt on some level he knew he was making a gamble. *From his post,
> he did not have enough information to assess how much of a gamble.
> "Looking at it, it did not appear to have damage"? *Was there no AI in
> that city he could have called?
>
> Time will tell how much "fun" he will have when he gets into it.
> Possessions bring responsibility. My field is littered with derelict
> ships and trailers bought by folks who bought said items under time
> pressure, or because they thought the price was too good to pass up.
> Upon talking to some of them, the main items they did not consider
> are:
>
> Am I comfortable flying this ship? One new student was talked into
> buying a LAK by his CFIG! *Another student bought a 1-35, both sitting
> unused.
> Can I afford to do the required maintenance/repairs?
> How much will it cost to own, does owning make any sort of financial
> sense based on how much I am gong to fly it?
>
> I think if you look around your field, you will find similar ships.
> Here, apart from the LAK and 1-35 *there is a Club Libelle, Ventus,
> Twin Astir, G-102, *and even more that I cannot recall at the moment.
> It is hard when then have not been seen out of the trailer in years.
>
> As for blowing smoke on the 10k and above issue, the asking prices in
> W&W are just that, not sales data. *How about a G-103 for 12k WITH
> trailer? * That is a real, recent data point. *Here is another data
> point, in 2 out of 6 glider title searches, I found liens!
>
> There is no shortage of cheerleaders in this type of situation.
> Consider the fact that in the end, that may not be helpful.
>
> aerodyne

Well, if what I have seen with Jantars is any guide, I hope he's had a
good A&P go over it already and has his parts on order, if he's
planning on flying it next spring.
Two to 4 months is common, and that's assuming that they send you the
right ones.
At those hours varioius bearings in the control linkages may become an
issue.
The Jantar isn't that tough to fly, but it is not ergonomically
friendly.
However, if you don't get a good wing runner and she drops a wing
early in the take off roll, it's better to pull the plug than to try
to pick up the wing.
Getting a seat position where you can reach all the instrument
controls takes some experimentation.
Many in our club dislike flying it because of the ergonomics.
They are, however, reasonably robust and seem to be an honest 36 to 1
glide ratio.
Depending on what the A&P says, Lynn may have gotten himself into it
for under 10K.
Not too shabby.