Taxi calculator? (propeller type and speed, aircraft weight, taxi speed) [Archive]

Brent[_2_]

February 5th 11, 01:56 PM

Sounds like an airboat hovercraft or some other type of propeller driven
ground effect vehicle

Actually it sounds closer to something like a skateboard with as prop motor
and a user on it. you are missing a huge amount of variables and for props,
pitch, density altitude, motors, and at speeds that slow your in the wrong
group because very few things, If Any, in any of these groups fly at that
speed.

And aircraft move slow taxiing because they are not meant to be ground
vehicles they usually have very narrow stances and high centers of gravity
compared to a ground vehicle as soon as they have any kind of airspeed they
want to fly.

Look up an RC or Aeronautical engineering group on usenet or elsewhere. you
need to find design people not pilots

"Flaps_50!" > wrote in message
...
On Feb 4, 11:55 am, John Doe > wrote:
> Is there such a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
> propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much weight
> it can push along the ground?
>
> Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
> propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100 or 200
> pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero rolling resistance
> to about 20 mph.
>
>
20 mph is too fast for taxying. What are you asking about -zero
rolling resistance????

Cheers

a[_3_]

February 5th 11, 06:35 PM

On Feb 5, 8:56*am, "Brent" > wrote:
> Sounds like an airboat hovercraft or some other type of propeller driven
> ground effect vehicle
>
> Actually it sounds closer to something like a skateboard with as prop motor
> and a user on it. you are missing a huge amount of variables and for props,
> pitch, density altitude, motors, and at speeds that slow your in the wrong
> group because very few things, If Any, in any of these groups fly at that
> speed.
>
> And aircraft move slow taxiing because they are not meant to be ground
> vehicles they usually have very narrow stances and high centers of gravity
> compared to a ground vehicle as soon as they have any kind of airspeed they
> want to fly.
>
> Look up an RC or Aeronautical engineering group on usenet or elsewhere. you
> need to find design people not pilots
>
> "Flaps_50!" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Feb 4, 11:55 am, John Doe > wrote:> Is there such a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
> > propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much weight
> > it can push along the ground?
>
> > Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
> > propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100 or 200
> > pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero rolling resistance
> > to about 20 mph.
>
> 20 mph is too fast for taxying. What are you asking about -zero
> rolling resistance????
>
> Cheers

To add a little to this: zero rolling resistance means all that has to
be overcome is aerodynamic drag, and one needs to know something about
the shape of what is being moved. Air weighs about 0.08 pounds a cubic
foot, you simply have to decide how long you want to take to get to
whatever speed, that will tell you the force you need. F still equals
mass times accelerations, so then for any diameter prop there is a
certain rotation speed that'll throw aft the required mass of air. The
lower limit on prop diameter will have to do with keeping the tip
speeds sub sonic, the upper limit is related to mechanical factors. I
seem to remember props in general are about 30% efficient, if that
guess is true and you need 1 horsepower delivered you'll need an
engine that produces something over 3.

Why do I feel I'm answering someone's homework question?

george

February 5th 11, 07:43 PM

On Feb 6, 2:56*am, "Brent" > wrote:
> Sounds like an airboat hovercraft or some other type of propeller driven
> ground effect vehicle
>
> Actually it sounds closer to something like a skateboard with as prop motor
> and a user on it. you are missing a huge amount of variables and for props,
> pitch, density altitude, motors, and at speeds that slow your in the wrong
> group because very few things, If Any, in any of these groups fly at that
> speed.
>
> And aircraft move slow taxiing because they are not meant to be ground
> vehicles they usually have very narrow stances and high centers of gravity
> compared to a ground vehicle as soon as they have any kind of airspeed they
> want to fly.
>
> Look up an RC or Aeronautical engineering group on usenet or elsewhere. you
> need to find design people not pilots
>
> "Flaps_50!" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Feb 4, 11:55 am, John Doe > wrote:> Is there such a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
> > propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much weight
> > it can push along the ground?
>
> > Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
> > propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100 or 200
> > pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero rolling resistance
> > to about 20 mph.
>
> 20 mph is too fast for taxying. What are you asking about -zero
> rolling resistance????
>
We taxied at 'walking pace' which meant sometimes a little faster to
make a gate or taxiway :-)

John Doe[_4_]

February 5th 11, 08:05 PM

a <pappson gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 5, 8:56ÿam, "Brent" <b_phil... hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Sounds like an airboat hovercraft or some other type of propeller driven
>> ground effect vehicle
>>
>> Actually it sounds closer to something like a skateboard with as prop mot
> or
>> and a user on it. you are missing a huge amount of variables and for prop
> s,
>> pitch, density altitude, motors, and at speeds that slow your in the wron
> g
>> group because very few things, If Any, in any of these groups fly at that
>> speed.
>>
>> And aircraft move slow taxiing because they are not meant to be ground
>> vehicles they usually have very narrow stances and high centers of gravit
> y
>> compared to a ground vehicle as soon as they have any kind of airspeed th
> ey
>> want to fly.
>>
>> Look up an RC or Aeronautical engineering group on usenet or elsewhere. y
> ou
>> need to find design people not pilots
>>
>> "Flaps_50!" <morefl... gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:fcb480ce-e285-47c4-87dc-8a9257583974 o7g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 4, 11:55 am, John Doe <j... usenetlove.invalid> wrote:> Is there s
> uch a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
>> > propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much weight
>> > it can push along the ground?
>>
>> > Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
>> > propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100 or 200
>> > pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero rolling resistance
>> > to about 20 mph.
>>
>> 20 mph is too fast for taxying. What are you asking about -zero
>> rolling resistance????
>>
>> Cheers
>
> To add a little to this: zero rolling resistance means all that has to
> be overcome is aerodynamic drag, and one needs to know something about
> the shape of what is being moved. Air weighs about 0.08 pounds a cubic
> foot, you simply have to decide how long you want to take to get to
> whatever speed, that will tell you the force you need. F still equals
> mass times accelerations, so then for any diameter prop there is a
> certain rotation speed that'll throw aft the required mass of air. The
> lower limit on prop diameter will have to do with keeping the tip
> speeds sub sonic, the upper limit is related to mechanical factors. I
> seem to remember props in general are about 30% efficient, if that
> guess is true and you need 1 horsepower delivered you'll need an
> engine that produces something over 3.
>
> Why do I feel I'm answering someone's homework question?

Maybe because you are a Google Groups user.
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John Doe[_4_]

February 5th 11, 08:08 PM

"Brent" <b_philion hotmail.com> wrote:

> Sounds like an airboat hovercraft or some other type of propeller driven
> ground effect vehicle
>
> Actually it sounds closer to something like a skateboard with as prop motor
> and a user on it. you are missing a huge amount of variables and for props,
> pitch, density altitude, motors, and at speeds that slow your in the wrong
> group

"that slow your" = "that show you are" ?

> because very few things, If Any, in any of these groups fly at that
> speed.
>
> And aircraft move slow taxiing because they are not meant to be ground
> vehicles they usually have very narrow stances and high centers of gravity
> compared to a ground vehicle as soon as they have any kind of airspeed they
> want to fly.
>
> Look up an RC or Aeronautical engineering group on usenet or elsewhere. you
> need to find design people not pilots

Or someone who can at least write...
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>
>
>
> "Flaps_50!" <moreflaps gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fcb480ce-e285-47c4-87dc-8a9257583974 o7g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 4, 11:55 am, John Doe <j... usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>> Is there such a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
>> propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much weight
>> it can push along the ground?
>>
>> Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
>> propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100 or 200
>> pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero rolling resistance
>> to about 20 mph.
>>
>>
> 20 mph is too fast for taxying. What are you asking about -zero
> rolling resistance????
>
> Cheers
>
>

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John Doe[_4_]

February 5th 11, 08:20 PM

"Flaps_50!" <moreflaps gmail.com> wrote:

> John Doe <j... usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

>> Is there such a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
>> propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much weight
>> it can push along the ground?
>>
>> Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
>> propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100 or 200
>> pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero rolling resistance
>> to about 20 mph.
>>
>>
> 20 mph is too fast for taxying.

Okay then, use 10 mph.

> What are you asking about -zero rolling resistance????

Providing givens is common when asking for a calculation. By
suggesting zero rolling resistance, I was trying to make it easier
or at least achievable for anyone who has a clue. The fact that
you do not have a clue is useful information, but I could have
figured that out without your babbling.
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>
> Cheers
>
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Jim Wilkins

February 5th 11, 09:09 PM

On Feb 5, 3:20*pm, John Doe > wrote:
> "Flaps_50!" <moreflaps gmail.com> wrote:
> ...>
> > What are you asking about -zero rolling resistance????
>
> Providing givens is common when asking for a calculation. By
> suggesting zero rolling resistance, I was trying to make it easier
> or at least achievable for anyone who has a clue. The fact that
> you do not have a clue is useful information, but I could have
> figured that out without your babbling.
> --

Seems like you really deserve the responses you are getting from the
mechanical experts in rec.crafts.metalworking.

John Doe[_4_]

February 5th 11, 09:41 PM

Jim Wilkins <kb1dal gmail.com> wrote:

> John Doe <j... usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>> "Flaps_50!" <moreflaps gmail.com> wrote:

>> > What are you asking about -zero rolling resistance????
>>
>> Providing givens is common when asking for a calculation. By
>> suggesting zero rolling resistance, I was trying to make it
>> easier or at least achievable for anyone who has a clue. The
>> fact that you do not have a clue is useful information, but I
>> could have figured that out without your babbling.
>
> Seems like you really deserve the responses you are getting from
> the mechanical experts in rec.crafts.metalworking.

Definitely, in various groups. I enjoyed the replies about my most
recent bearings question. Also enjoyed some of the replies about
my recent "T-drive" question.

Some engineers fly aircraft, not all pilots are simpletons, and
others are smart enough. If someone does not know the answer to a
tough question, that does not exclude the entire group. So who
needs to know that you're an idiot?

Personally, I do not mind your babbling, but it is just noise to
anyone looking for information in the archive (assuming someday
Google Groups stops trashing the UseNet archive search). If Google
Groups makes the UseNet archive entirely useless, your babbling
will have less impact since there won't be any way to retrieve
useful information from the archive anyway.

Oh wail.
--

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Daryl Hunt[_4_]

February 5th 11, 10:03 PM

On 2/5/2011 2:41 PM, John Doe wrote:
> Jim Wilkins<kb1dal gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> John Doe<j... usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>>> "Flaps_50!"<moreflaps gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> What are you asking about -zero rolling resistance????
>>>
>>> Providing givens is common when asking for a calculation. By
>>> suggesting zero rolling resistance, I was trying to make it
>>> easier or at least achievable for anyone who has a clue. The
>>> fact that you do not have a clue is useful information, but I
>>> could have figured that out without your babbling.
>>
>> Seems like you really deserve the responses you are getting from
>> the mechanical experts in rec.crafts.metalworking.
>
> Definitely, in various groups. I enjoyed the replies about my most
> recent bearings question. Also enjoyed some of the replies about
> my recent "T-drive" question.
>
> Some engineers fly aircraft, not all pilots are simpletons, and
> others are smart enough. If someone does not know the answer to a
> tough question, that does not exclude the entire group. So who
> needs to know that you're an idiot?
>
> Personally, I do not mind your babbling, but it is just noise to
> anyone looking for information in the archive (assuming someday
> Google Groups stops trashing the UseNet archive search). If Google
> Groups makes the UseNet archive entirely useless, your babbling
> will have less impact since there won't be any way to retrieve
> useful information from the archive anyway.
>
> Oh wail.

Considering I made a bit of a living working on Props and
Propulsion both Turboprop and Recip, I find you never gave enough
intelligent information for any kind of conclusion. I have
watched this "Discussion" regress into a slugfest and for what?
You presented an incomplete problem and NO Engineer of any kind
will approach it with any kind of a definitive answer. At least
one other person wanted more info. What he got was the old "Talk
Around" routine.

Here is my answer. Eat lots of Beans, shove a funnel up your
kiester and see just how fast you can get your tricycle to go.

John Doe[_4_]

February 5th 11, 10:13 PM

Daryl Hunt <dhunt nspami70west.com> wrote:

> John Doe wrote:
>> Jim Wilkins<kb1dal gmail.com> wrote:
>>> John Doe<j... usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>>>> "Flaps_50!"<moreflaps gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> What are you asking about -zero rolling resistance????
>>>>
>>>> Providing givens is common when asking for a calculation. By
>>>> suggesting zero rolling resistance, I was trying to make it
>>>> easier or at least achievable for anyone who has a clue. The
>>>> fact that you do not have a clue is useful information, but I
>>>> could have figured that out without your babbling.
>>>
>>> Seems like you really deserve the responses you are getting from
>>> the mechanical experts in rec.crafts.metalworking.
>>
>> Definitely, in various groups. I enjoyed the replies about my most
>> recent bearings question. Also enjoyed some of the replies about
>> my recent "T-drive" question.
>>
>> Some engineers fly aircraft, not all pilots are simpletons, and
>> others are smart enough. If someone does not know the answer to a
>> tough question, that does not exclude the entire group. So who
>> needs to know that you're an idiot?
>>
>> Personally, I do not mind your babbling, but it is just noise to
>> anyone looking for information in the archive (assuming someday
>> Google Groups stops trashing the UseNet archive search). If Google
>> Groups makes the UseNet archive entirely useless, your babbling
>> will have less impact since there won't be any way to retrieve
>> useful information from the archive anyway.
>>
>> Oh wail.
>
> Considering I made a bit of a living working on Props and
> Propulsion both Turboprop and Recip, I find you never gave enough
> intelligent information for any kind of conclusion.

Bull****.

> I have watched this "Discussion" regress into a slugfest and for
> what? You presented an incomplete problem and NO Engineer of any
> kind will approach it with any kind of a definitive answer. At
> least one other person wanted more info. What he got was the
> old "Talk Around" routine.
>
> Here is my answer. Eat lots of Beans, shove a funnel up your
> kiester and see just how fast you can get your tricycle to go.

I will ask your mother for tips.
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Daryl Hunt[_4_]

February 5th 11, 10:16 PM

On 2/5/2011 3:13 PM, John Doe wrote:
> Daryl Hunt<dhunt nspami70west.com> wrote:
>
>> John Doe wrote:
>>> Jim Wilkins<kb1dal gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> John Doe<j... usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> "Flaps_50!"<moreflaps gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> What are you asking about -zero rolling resistance????
>>>>>
>>>>> Providing givens is common when asking for a calculation. By
>>>>> suggesting zero rolling resistance, I was trying to make it
>>>>> easier or at least achievable for anyone who has a clue. The
>>>>> fact that you do not have a clue is useful information, but I
>>>>> could have figured that out without your babbling.
>>>>
>>>> Seems like you really deserve the responses you are getting from
>>>> the mechanical experts in rec.crafts.metalworking.
>>>
>>> Definitely, in various groups. I enjoyed the replies about my most
>>> recent bearings question. Also enjoyed some of the replies about
>>> my recent "T-drive" question.
>>>
>>> Some engineers fly aircraft, not all pilots are simpletons, and
>>> others are smart enough. If someone does not know the answer to a
>>> tough question, that does not exclude the entire group. So who
>>> needs to know that you're an idiot?
>>>
>>> Personally, I do not mind your babbling, but it is just noise to
>>> anyone looking for information in the archive (assuming someday
>>> Google Groups stops trashing the UseNet archive search). If Google
>>> Groups makes the UseNet archive entirely useless, your babbling
>>> will have less impact since there won't be any way to retrieve
>>> useful information from the archive anyway.
>>>
>>> Oh wail.
>>
>> Considering I made a bit of a living working on Props and
>> Propulsion both Turboprop and Recip, I find you never gave enough
>> intelligent information for any kind of conclusion.
>
> Bull****.
>
>> I have watched this "Discussion" regress into a slugfest and for
>> what? You presented an incomplete problem and NO Engineer of any
>> kind will approach it with any kind of a definitive answer. At
>> least one other person wanted more info. What he got was the
>> old "Talk Around" routine.
>>
>> Here is my answer. Eat lots of Beans, shove a funnel up your
>> kiester and see just how fast you can get your tricycle to go.
>
> I will ask your mother for tips.

Thank for making my point for me.

heirophant

February 5th 11, 11:33 PM

On 03 Feb 2011 22:55:12 GMT, John Doe wrote:

> Is there such a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
> propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much weight
> it can push along the ground?
>
> Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
> propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100 or 200
> pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero rolling resistance
> to about 20 mph.

Far too little information to arrive at an answer. Could you tighten
the variables a bit? ;)
--

http://heremypants.weebly.com/

John Doe[_4_]

February 5th 11, 11:45 PM

heirophant <heremypants hushmail.com> wrote:

> John Doe wrote:
>
>> Is there such a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
>> propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much
>> weight it can push along the ground?
>>
>> Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
>> propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100 or
>> 200 pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero rolling
>> resistance to about 20 mph.
>
> Far too little information to arrive at an answer. Could you
> tighten the variables a bit? ;)

What other variables do you need?

John Doe[_4_]

February 5th 11, 11:50 PM

Daryl Hunt <dhunt nspami70west.com> wrote:

> Thank for making my point for me.

Why do you post so much noise and then whine about too much noise,
****?

And by the way, ****, are you a spammer? What other nyms do you
use?

heirophant

February 5th 11, 11:52 PM

On 05 Feb 2011 23:45:42 GMT, John Doe wrote:

> heirophant <heremypants hushmail.com> wrote:
>
>> John Doe wrote:
>>
>>> Is there such a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
>>> propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much
>>> weight it can push along the ground?
>>>
>>> Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
>>> propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100 or
>>> 200 pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero rolling
>>> resistance to about 20 mph.
>>
>> Far too little information to arrive at an answer. Could you
>> tighten the variables a bit? ;)
>
> What other variables do you need?

How quickly do you wish to reach Xmph, what would you allow for
maximum efficiency of the propeller and what are the limitations of
your power output to the propeller, and are we rolling or standing
start?
--

http://heremypants.weebly.com/

John Doe[_4_]

February 6th 11, 12:33 AM

heirophant > wrote:

> John Doe wrote:
>> heirophant <heremypants hushmail.com> wrote:
>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there such a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
>>>> propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much
>>>> weight it can push along the ground?
>>>>
>>>> Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
>>>> propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100 or
>>>> 200 pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero rolling
>>>> resistance to about 20 mph.
>>>
>>> Far too little information to arrive at an answer. Could you
>>> tighten the variables a bit? ;)
>>
>> What other variables do you need?
>
> How quickly do you wish to reach Xmph,

Five or ten seconds.

> what would you allow for maximum efficiency of the propeller

Whatever type of propeller is best for taxing purposes.

> and what are the limitations of your power output to the
> propeller,

None. The propeller spins that whatever RPM is needed.

> and are we rolling or standing start?

Standing.

I suppose the wind resistance of a typical light/small aircraft on
the ground would be in the ballpark.

Flaps_50!

February 6th 11, 01:11 AM

On Feb 6, 9:20*am, John Doe > wrote:
> "Flaps_50!" <moreflaps gmail.com> wrote:
> > John Doe <j... usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
> >> Is there such a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
> >> propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much weight
> >> it can push along the ground?
>
> >> Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
> >> propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100 or 200
> >> pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero rolling resistance
> >> to about 20 mph.
>
> > 20 mph is too fast for taxying.
>
> Okay then, use 10 mph.
>
> > What are you asking about -zero rolling resistance????
>
> Providing givens is common when asking for a calculation. By
> suggesting zero rolling resistance, I was trying to make it easier
> or at least achievable for anyone who has a clue. The fact that
> you do not have a clue is useful information, but I could have
> figured that out without your babbling.
> --

Hmm. What do you think makes it hard to push a plane -zero rolling
resistance? Don't be so rude when you don't know how to frame a
problem properly. Describe the problem properly and someone may be
able to help you but after your rude response it won't be me.

Flaps_50!

February 6th 11, 01:12 AM

On Feb 6, 11:03*am, Daryl Hunt > wrote:
> On 2/5/2011 2:41 PM, John Doe wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Jim Wilkins<kb1dal gmail.com> *wrote:
>
> >> John Doe<j... usenetlove.invalid> *wrote:
> >>> "Flaps_50!"<moreflaps gmail.com> *wrote:
>
> >>>> What are you asking about -zero rolling resistance????
>
> >>> Providing givens is common when asking for a calculation. By
> >>> suggesting zero rolling resistance, I was trying to make it
> >>> easier or at least achievable for anyone who has a clue. The
> >>> fact that you do not have a clue is useful information, but I
> >>> could have figured that out without your babbling.
>
> >> Seems like you really deserve the responses you are getting from
> >> the mechanical experts in rec.crafts.metalworking.
>
> > Definitely, in various groups. I enjoyed the replies about my most
> > recent bearings question. Also enjoyed some of the replies about
> > my recent "T-drive" question.
>
> > Some engineers fly aircraft, not all pilots are simpletons, and
> > others are smart enough. If someone does not know the answer to a
> > tough question, that does not exclude the entire group. So who
> > needs to know that you're an idiot?
>
> > Personally, I do not mind your babbling, but it is just noise to
> > anyone looking for information in the archive (assuming someday
> > Google Groups stops trashing the UseNet archive search). If Google
> > Groups makes the UseNet archive entirely useless, your babbling
> > will have less impact since there won't be any way to retrieve
> > useful information from the archive anyway.
>
> > Oh wail.
>
> Considering I made a bit of a living working on Props and
> Propulsion both Turboprop and Recip, I find you never gave enough
> intelligent information for any kind of conclusion. *I have
> watched this "Discussion" regress into a slugfest and for what?
> You presented an incomplete problem and NO Engineer of any kind
> will approach it with any kind of a definitive answer. *At least
> one other person wanted more info. *What he got was the old "Talk
> Around" routine.
>
> Here is my answer. *Eat lots of Beans, shove a funnel up your
> kiester and see just how fast you can get your tricycle to go.

LOL!

Flaps_50!

February 6th 11, 01:14 AM

On Feb 6, 12:50*pm, John Doe > wrote:
> Daryl Hunt <dhunt nspami70west.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank for making my point for me.
>
> Why do you post so much noise and then whine about too much noise,
> ****?
>
> And by the way, ****, are you a spammer? What other nyms do you
> use?

A true vulgarian! What a nasty little piece of work you've shown
yourself to be.

Flaps_50!

February 6th 11, 01:17 AM

On Feb 6, 1:33*pm, John Doe > wrote:
> heirophant > wrote:
> > John Doe wrote:
> >> heirophant <heremypants hushmail.com> wrote:
> >>> *John Doe wrote:
>
> >>>> Is there such a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
> >>>> propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much
> >>>> weight it can push along the ground?
>
> >>>> Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
> >>>> propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100 or
> >>>> 200 pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero rolling
> >>>> resistance to about 20 mph.
>
> >>> Far too little information to arrive at an answer. Could you
> >>> tighten the variables a bit? ;)
>
> >> What other variables do you need?
>
> > How quickly do you wish to reach Xmph,
>
> Five or ten seconds.
>
> > what would you allow for maximum efficiency of the propeller
>
> Whatever type of propeller is best for taxing purposes.
>
> > and what are the limitations of your power output to the
> > propeller,
>
> None. The propeller spins that whatever RPM is needed.
>
> > and are we rolling or standing start?
>
> Standing.
>
> I suppose the wind resistance of a typical light/small aircraft on
> the ground would be in the ballpark.

Ignoring rolling resistance, look at the power consumption of a plane
at cruise, then note that aerodynamic drag could be estimated to
follow the square of speed. So, if 100 HP-> 100 mph then 10 mph = 1
HP. Rolling resistance is the biggest factor though as you should
know...

CaveLamb

February 6th 11, 01:29 AM

heirophant wrote:
> On 05 Feb 2011 23:45:42 GMT, John Doe wrote:
>
>> heirophant <heremypants hushmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there such a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
>>>> propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much
>>>> weight it can push along the ground?
>>>>
>>>> Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
>>>> propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100 or
>>>> 200 pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero rolling
>>>> resistance to about 20 mph.
>>> Far too little information to arrive at an answer. Could you
>>> tighten the variables a bit? ;)
>> What other variables do you need?
>
> How quickly do you wish to reach Xmph, what would you allow for
> maximum efficiency of the propeller and what are the limitations of
> your power output to the propeller, and are we rolling or standing
> start?

This is our old friend the propeller powered skater...

--

Richard Lamb
email me:
web site: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb

John Doe[_4_]

February 6th 11, 01:55 AM

"Flaps_50!" <moreflaps gmail.com> wrote:

> John Doe <j... usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>> heirophant <heremypa... hushmail.com> wrote:
>> > John Doe wrote:
>> >> heirophant <heremypants hushmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> ÿJohn Doe wrote:
>>
>> >>>> Is there such a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
>> >>>> propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much
>> >>>> weight it can push along the ground?
>>
>> >>>> Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
>> >>>> propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100
>> >>>> or 200 pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero
>> >>>> rolling resistance to about 20 mph.
>>
>> >>> Far too little information to arrive at an answer. Could
>> >>> you tighten the variables a bit? ;)
>>
>> >> What other variables do you need?
>>
>> > How quickly do you wish to reach Xmph,
>>
>> Five or ten seconds.
>>
>> > what would you allow for maximum efficiency of the propeller
>>
>> Whatever type of propeller is best for taxing purposes.
>>
>> > and what are the limitations of your power output to the
>> > propeller,
>>
>> None. The propeller spins that whatever RPM is needed.
>>
>> > and are we rolling or standing start?
>>
>> Standing.
>>
>> I suppose the wind resistance of a typical light/small aircraft
>> on the ground would be in the ballpark.
>
> Ignoring rolling resistance, look at the power consumption of a
> plane at cruise, then note that aerodynamic drag could be
> estimated to follow the square of speed. So, if 100 HP-> 100 mph
> then 10 mph = 1 HP. Rolling resistance is the biggest factor
> though as you should know...

My experience suggests that wind resistance at speed is
significantly greater than rolling resistance.
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John Doe[_4_]

February 6th 11, 01:57 AM

CaveLamb <cavelamb earthlink.net> wrote:

> This is our old friend the propeller powered skater...

Just got back from plugging your mom...
--

>
> --
>
> Richard Lamb
> email me: cavelamb earthlink.net
> web site: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb
>
>

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John Doe[_4_]

February 6th 11, 02:11 AM

"Flaps_50!" <moreflaps gmail.com> wrote:

> John Doe <j... usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>> "Flaps_50!" <moreflaps gmail.com> wrote:
>> > John Doe <j... usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

>> >> Is there such a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
>> >> propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much
>> >> weight it can push along the ground?
>>
>> >> Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
>> >> propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100 or
>> >> 200 pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero rolling
>> >> resistance to about 20 mph.
>>
>> > 20 mph is too fast for taxying.
>>
>> Okay then, use 10 mph.
>>
>> > What are you asking about -zero rolling resistance????
>>
>> Providing givens is common when asking for a calculation. By
>> suggesting zero rolling resistance, I was trying to make it
>> easier or at least achievable for anyone who has a clue. The
>> fact that you do not have a clue is useful information, but I
>> could have figured that out without your babbling.
>
> Hmm. What do you think makes it hard to push a plane -zero
> rolling resistance?

You need to take a few more English-as-a-second-language lessons
and learn how to construct a sentence.

Given its weight, an aircraft might have more rolling resistance
than wind resistance when taxiing. But I would think that inertia
and wind resistance would play a big part too.

> Don't be so rude

**** you.

> when you don't know how to frame a problem properly.

Is English your second language?

> Describe the problem properly and someone may be able to help
> you

....or lead me on a wild goose chase, or troll me, whatever you
feel like doing.

> but after your rude response it won't be me.

In other words... "I really don't know".
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John Doe[_4_]

February 6th 11, 03:02 AM

"Flaps_50!" <moreflaps gmail.com> wrote:

....

> A true vulgarian!

As if profanity hurts the poor baby's virgin ears.

> What a nasty little piece of work you've shown yourself to be.

Says a nym-shifting troll.

From New Zealand, and he acts like he's never heard profanity.

But seriously. Try another angle.
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John Doe[_4_]

February 6th 11, 03:07 AM

"Flaps_50!" <moreflaps gmail.com> wrote:

....

> LOL!

You just quoted sixty lines of text for a one-word hackneyed insult.

heirophant

February 6th 11, 03:15 AM

On 06 Feb 2011 00:33:27 GMT, John Doe wrote:

> heirophant > wrote:
>
>> John Doe wrote:
>>> heirophant <heremypants hushmail.com> wrote:
>>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there such a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
>>>>> propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much
>>>>> weight it can push along the ground?
>>>>>
>>>>> Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
>>>>> propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100 or
>>>>> 200 pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero rolling
>>>>> resistance to about 20 mph.
>>>>
>>>> Far too little information to arrive at an answer. Could you
>>>> tighten the variables a bit? ;)
>>>
>>> What other variables do you need?
>>
>> How quickly do you wish to reach Xmph,
>
> Five or ten seconds.
>
>> what would you allow for maximum efficiency of the propeller
>
> Whatever type of propeller is best for taxing purposes.
>
>> and what are the limitations of your power output to the
>> propeller,
>
> None. The propeller spins that whatever RPM is needed.
>
>> and are we rolling or standing start?
>
> Standing.
>
> I suppose the wind resistance of a typical light/small aircraft on
> the ground would be in the ballpark.

Here we have come to an impasse. You wish to receive a set of answers
to a very difficult question unknowing that the quality or response,
or any response, lies in providing a full set of the variables.

Love to help you out but before I put forward any additional effort,
why is it that you need the answers. ;)
--

http://heremypants.weebly.com/

heirophant

February 6th 11, 03:15 AM

On 06 Feb 2011 01:57:17 GMT, John Doe wrote:

> Just got back from plugging your mom...

Aw, there's all I need.

*PLONKIES*
--

http://heremypants.weebly.com/

John Doe[_4_]

February 6th 11, 03:32 AM

heirophant > wrote:

> John Doe wrote:
>> heirophant > wrote:
>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>> heirophant <heremypants hushmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there such a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
>>>>>> propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much
>>>>>> weight it can push along the ground?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
>>>>>> propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100
>>>>>> or 200 pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero
>>>>>> rolling resistance to about 20 mph.
>>>>>
>>>>> Far too little information to arrive at an answer. Could you
>>>>> tighten the variables a bit? ;)
>>>>
>>>> What other variables do you need?
>>>
>>> How quickly do you wish to reach Xmph,
>>
>> Five or ten seconds.
>>
>>> what would you allow for maximum efficiency of the propeller
>>
>> Whatever type of propeller is best for taxing purposes.
>>
>>> and what are the limitations of your power output to the
>>> propeller,
>>
>> None. The propeller spins that whatever RPM is needed.
>>
>>> and are we rolling or standing start?
>>
>> Standing.
>>
>> I suppose the wind resistance of a typical light/small aircraft
>> on the ground would be in the ballpark.
>
> Here we have come to an impasse. You wish to receive a set of
> answers to a very difficult question

Granted, very difficult. Probably mainly because propeller power
is rarely used for land based vehicles.

> unknowing that the quality or response, or any response,

I get what I pay for.

> lies in providing a full set of the variables.

I jumped through that hoop last time.

> Love to help you out but before I put forward any additional
> effort, why is it that you need the answers. ;)

Yes, and I would love to keep asking...

According to YouTube, a significant number of people have used
propeller power for pushing a bicycle. I wonder if any of them
have calculated their design, or if all of them have been simple
experiments. That is probably what I will end up doing some day.

But, somehow I doubt there is a forum for propeller powered
bicycles, lol, anywhere on the Internet.
--

John Doe[_4_]

February 6th 11, 03:49 AM

heirophant <heremypants hushmail.com> wrote:

....

> *PLONKIES*

He runs off to play with his imaginary kill file friend...
--

> --
> heremypants hushmail.com
> http://heremypants.weebly.com/
>
>

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Daryl Hunt[_4_]

February 6th 11, 04:03 AM

On 2/5/2011 8:32 PM, John Doe wrote:
> > wrote:
>
>> John Doe wrote:
>>> > wrote:
>>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>>> heirophant<heremypants hushmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there such a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
>>>>>>> propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much
>>>>>>> weight it can push along the ground?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
>>>>>>> propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100
>>>>>>> or 200 pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero
>>>>>>> rolling resistance to about 20 mph.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Far too little information to arrive at an answer. Could you
>>>>>> tighten the variables a bit? ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> What other variables do you need?
>>>>
>>>> How quickly do you wish to reach Xmph,
>>>
>>> Five or ten seconds.
>>>
>>>> what would you allow for maximum efficiency of the propeller
>>>
>>> Whatever type of propeller is best for taxing purposes.
>>>
>>>> and what are the limitations of your power output to the
>>>> propeller,
>>>
>>> None. The propeller spins that whatever RPM is needed.
>>>
>>>> and are we rolling or standing start?
>>>
>>> Standing.
>>>
>>> I suppose the wind resistance of a typical light/small aircraft
>>> on the ground would be in the ballpark.
>>
>> Here we have come to an impasse. You wish to receive a set of
>> answers to a very difficult question
>
> Granted, very difficult. Probably mainly because propeller power
> is rarely used for land based vehicles.
>
>> unknowing that the quality or response, or any response,
>
> I get what I pay for.
>
>> lies in providing a full set of the variables.
>
> I jumped through that hoop last time.
>
>> Love to help you out but before I put forward any additional
>> effort, why is it that you need the answers. ;)
>
> Yes, and I would love to keep asking...
>
> According to YouTube, a significant number of people have used
> propeller power for pushing a bicycle. I wonder if any of them
> have calculated their design, or if all of them have been simple
> experiments. That is probably what I will end up doing some day.
>
> But, somehow I doubt there is a forum for propeller powered
> bicycles, lol, anywhere on the Internet.

And you would be wrong. Look at
http://motorbicycling.com/f36/propeller-powered-bicycle-awesome-7683.html

And to give you a demo, go to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h7AmVPpaEY

Or how about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7h97PfqXl8&feature=related if you
are into 4 wheeled insanity.

Now for something that actually worked and was licensed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KSOSnr2-E4&feature=related

But the skate board, can of beans with the funnel up you butt is
still my suggestion for you. Oh, make sure you stop real fast
once. That would really cause a lot of laughs at the nearest
emergency room. They wouldn't see that every day.

John Doe[_4_]

February 6th 11, 04:52 AM

Daryl Hunt <dhunt nspami70west.com> wrote:

> John Doe wrote:
>> heirophant<heremypants hushmail.com> wrote:
>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>> heirophant<heremypants hushmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>>>> heirophant<heremypants hushmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there such a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
>>>>>>>> propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much
>>>>>>>> weight it can push along the ground?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
>>>>>>>> propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100
>>>>>>>> or 200 pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero
>>>>>>>> rolling resistance to about 20 mph.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Far too little information to arrive at an answer. Could you
>>>>>>> tighten the variables a bit? ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What other variables do you need?
>>>>>
>>>>> How quickly do you wish to reach Xmph,
>>>>
>>>> Five or ten seconds.
>>>>
>>>>> what would you allow for maximum efficiency of the propeller
>>>>
>>>> Whatever type of propeller is best for taxing purposes.
>>>>
>>>>> and what are the limitations of your power output to the
>>>>> propeller,
>>>>
>>>> None. The propeller spins that whatever RPM is needed.
>>>>
>>>>> and are we rolling or standing start?
>>>>
>>>> Standing.
>>>>
>>>> I suppose the wind resistance of a typical light/small aircraft
>>>> on the ground would be in the ballpark.
>>>
>>> Here we have come to an impasse. You wish to receive a set of
>>> answers to a very difficult question
>>
>> Granted, very difficult. Probably mainly because propeller power
>> is rarely used for land based vehicles.
>>
>>> unknowing that the quality or response, or any response,
>>
>> I get what I pay for.
>>
>>> lies in providing a full set of the variables.
>>
>> I jumped through that hoop last time.
>>
>>> Love to help you out but before I put forward any additional
>>> effort, why is it that you need the answers. ;)
>>
>> Yes, and I would love to keep asking...
>>
>> According to YouTube, a significant number of people have used
>> propeller power for pushing a bicycle. I wonder if any of them
>> have calculated their design, or if all of them have been simple
>> experiments. That is probably what I will end up doing some day.
>>
>> But, somehow I doubt there is a forum for propeller powered
>> bicycles, lol, anywhere on the Internet.
>
> And you would be wrong. Look at
> http://motorbicycling.com/f36/propeller-powered-bicycle-awesome-7683.html

I said "forum", ****, not a single thread.

> And to give you a demo, go to
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h7AmVPpaEY

Apparently you did not read my post, ****, I said that there are a
few propeller powered bicycles on YouTube.

I'm glad some of you find the subject interesting, even the
clueless trolls.
--

>
> Or how about
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7h97PfqXl8&feature=related if you
> are into 4 wheeled insanity.
>
> Now for something that actually worked and was licensed.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KSOSnr2-E4&feature=related
>
> But the skate board, can of beans with the funnel up you butt is
> still my suggestion for you. Oh, make sure you stop real fast
> once. That would really cause a lot of laughs at the nearest
> emergency room. They wouldn't see that every day.
>
>
>
>

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Daryl Hunt[_4_]

February 6th 11, 04:57 AM

On 2/5/2011 9:52 PM, John Doe wrote:
> Daryl Hunt<dhunt nspami70west.com> wrote:

>> And you would be wrong. Look at
>> http://motorbicycling.com/f36/propeller-powered-bicycle-awesome-7683.html
>
> I said "forum", ****, not a single thread.

You asked and I delivered. So you change the rules to fit your
troll. Good for you.

>
>> And to give you a demo, go to
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h7AmVPpaEY
>
> Apparently you did not read my post, ****, I said that there are a
> few propeller powered bicycles on YouTube.
>
> I'm glad some of you find the subject interesting, even the
> clueless trolls.

Now, about that skate board, can of beans, funnel where the sun
don't shine and a fast stop.

John Doe[_4_]

February 6th 11, 05:07 AM

Daryl Hunt <dhunt nspami70west.com> wrote:

> Now, about that skate board, can of beans, funnel where the sun
> don't shine and a fast stop.

Confucius say:
"He who is constantly exposing his ass should beware of funnels"

Atheist Chaplain[_2_]

February 6th 11, 11:30 AM

"John Doe" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> Daryl Hunt <dhunt nspami70west.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank for making my point for me.
>
> Why do you post so much noise and then whine about too much noise,
> ****?
>
> And by the way, ****, are you a spammer? What other nyms do you
> use?

oops the troll has regressed to name calling :-)

--
[This comment is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Church of
Scientology International]
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your
Christ"

Dan[_12_]

February 6th 11, 05:48 PM

On 2/6/2011 5:30 AM, Atheist Chaplain wrote:
>
> "John Doe" > wrote in message
> eb.com...
>> Daryl Hunt <dhunt nspami70west.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank for making my point for me.
>>
>> Why do you post so much noise and then whine about too much noise,
>> ****?
>>
>> And by the way, ****, are you a spammer? What other nyms do you
>> use?
>
> oops the troll has regressed to name calling :-)
>

**** = can't understand normal talk, you know, like this John Doe
character.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Schiffner

February 6th 11, 07:12 PM

On Feb 3, 3:55*pm, John Doe > wrote:

Insufficient data...obvious answer is do your own homework. Oh and get
a clue.

george

February 6th 11, 07:31 PM

On Feb 7, 6:48*am, Dan > wrote:

> * **** = can't understand normal talk, you know, like this John Doe
> character.

Well translated :-)

John Doe[_4_]

February 6th 11, 08:13 PM

Schiffner <stevenkeith2 hotmail.com> wrote:

> John Doe <j... usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>
> Insufficient data...obvious answer is do your own homework. Oh
> and get a clue.

Excuses from a clueless Google Groups who doesn't know his ass
from a hole in the ground.
--

See also Google Groups
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John Doe[_4_]

February 6th 11, 08:26 PM

Dan <B2431B AOL.COM> wrote:

> On 2/6/2011 5:30 AM, Atheist Chaplain wrote:
>>
>> "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:4d4de237$0$15838$c3e8da3$12bcf670 news.astraweb.com...
>>> Daryl Hunt <dhunt nspami70west.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank for making my point for me.
>>>
>>> Why do you post so much noise and then whine about too much noise,
>>> ****?
>>>
>>> And by the way, ****, are you a spammer? What other nyms do you
>>> use?
>>
>> oops the troll has regressed to name calling :-)
>>
>
> **** = can't understand normal talk, you know, like this John Doe
> character.

Poor little baby ego is offended by a question he cannot answer,
so he has a tantrum.
--

>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>

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John Doe[_4_]

February 6th 11, 08:32 PM

"Atheist Chaplain" <abused cia.gov> wrote:

> "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4d4de237$0$15838$c3e8da3$12bcf670 news.astraweb.com...
>> Daryl Hunt <dhunt nspami70west.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank for making my point for me.
>>
>> Why do you post so much noise and then whine about too much noise,
>> ****?
>>
>> And by the way, ****, are you a spammer? What other nyms do you
>> use?
>
> oops the troll has regressed to name calling :-)

Looking at your name, that is obviously the pot calling the kettle
"black". And your e-mail suggests that you need a better tinfoil
cap.
--

>
> --
> [This comment is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Church of
> Scientology International]
> "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your
> Christ"
>
>

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Morgans[_2_]

February 7th 11, 01:53 AM

> Poor little baby ego is offended by a question he cannot answer,
> so he has a tantrum.

I used to tolerate your postings and nonsense, but your tone has crossed way
south of the line. Good riddance.
--
Jim in NC

Schiffner

February 7th 11, 04:38 AM

On Feb 6, 1:32*pm, John Doe > wrote:

well you know what chicken****...you seem to be hiding quiet well with
a fake name munged address. What are you scared of coward? y'know you
4F barstool hero's are all the same, obese, single, no family and keep
night jobs so your ugly, lonely assses don't have to see the light of
day. **** off little man. Your kind are the problem

Schiffner

February 7th 11, 04:41 AM

On Feb 6, 1:13*pm, John Doe > wrote:

Says the clueless moron coward. But hey, go **** yourself...that's the
only advice a little piece of clueless **** like you is competent to
understand. Me, I read the placard and the owners manual. No math
involved.

Then again...I am smarter than the average john doe. Hell I'm
skinnier, smarter, better looking, better breeding and a far superior
human being compared to a coward like you.

whatever

February 7th 11, 06:49 AM

On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 20:38:35 -0800, Schiffner wrote:

> On Feb 6, 1:32Â*pm, John Doe > wrote:
>
>
> well you know what chicken****...you seem to be hiding quiet well with a
> fake name munged address. What are you scared of coward? y'know you 4F
> barstool hero's are all the same, obese, single, no family and keep
> night jobs so your ugly, lonely assses don't have to see the light of
> day. **** off little man. Your kind are the problem

PLONK

Brian Whatcott

February 8th 11, 02:59 AM

On 2/3/2011 4:55 PM, John Doe wrote:
> Is there such a calculation/formula? How can you tell what
> propeller to use, how fast it should rotate, and how much weight
> it can push along the ground?
>
> Specifically... I would like to tell what sort and size of
> propeller rotating at what speed, in calm air to push 100 or 200
> pounds on smooth and level pavement with zero rolling resistance
> to about 20 mph.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
Here's a response off the top.
Try a 10HP motor running a four foot prop with a 3 or 4 inch pitch.
Make the prop out of a coupla spruce or pine planks glued together with
epoxy, and carve the shape with a few cardboard templates to keep the
thing aero balanced. Make sure it will statically balance before
spinning it up to say 3500 rpm. Good luck

Brian

Atheist Chaplain[_2_]

February 9th 11, 08:22 AM

"John Doe" > wrote in message
b.com...
> "Atheist Chaplain" <abused cia.gov> wrote:
>
>> "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:4d4de237$0$15838$c3e8da3$12bcf670 news.astraweb.com...
>>> Daryl Hunt <dhunt nspami70west.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank for making my point for me.
>>>
>>> Why do you post so much noise and then whine about too much noise,
>>> ****?
>>>
>>> And by the way, ****, are you a spammer? What other nyms do you
>>> use?
>>
>> oops the troll has regressed to name calling :-)
>
> Looking at your name, that is obviously the pot calling the kettle
> "black". And your e-mail suggests that you need a better tinfoil
> cap.
> --

This should be good, how is my name in any way related to YOU calling others
names ??
How does it apply to the pot calling the kettle black ??
feel free to use words with more than 2 syllables, take your time, look them
up if you have to.
I also gather that your not very bright and don't get the concept of sarcasm
or irony, maybe your parents should not have been so closely related.

[This comment is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Church of
Scientology International]
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your
Christ"

Schiffner

February 9th 11, 03:07 PM

On Feb 9, 1:22*am, "Atheist Chaplain" > wrote:
> "John Doe" > wrote in message
>
> b.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Atheist Chaplain" <abused cia.gov> wrote:
>
> >> "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:4d4de237$0$15838$c3e8da3$12bcf670 news.astraweb.com...
> >>> Daryl Hunt <dhunt nspami70west.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Thank for making my point for me.
>
> >>> Why do you post so much noise and then whine about too much noise,
> >>> ****?
>
> >>> And by the way, ****, are you a spammer? What other nyms do you
> >>> use?
>
> >> oops the troll has regressed to name calling :-)
>
> > Looking at your name, that is obviously the pot calling the kettle
> > "black". And your e-mail suggests that you need a better tinfoil
> > cap.
> > --
>
> This should be good, how is my name in any way related to YOU calling others
> names ??
> How does it apply to the pot calling the kettle black ??
> feel free to use words with more than 2 syllables, take your time, look them
> up if you have to.
> I also gather that your not very bright and don't get the concept of sarcasm
> or irony, maybe your parents should not have been so closely related.
>
> [This comment is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Church of
> Scientology International]
> "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your
> Christ"-

You can so use that! Anything a cult says is automaticlly inelligable
for copyright. Why? Because I said so...and I'm the dad that's why.

Basement Bandy

February 9th 11, 09:25 PM

On Feb 9, 3:22*am, "Atheist Chaplain" > wrote:
> "John Doe" > wrote in message
>
> b.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Atheist Chaplain" <abused cia.gov> wrote:
>
> >> "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:4d4de237$0$15838$c3e8da3$12bcf670 news.astraweb.com...
> >>> Daryl Hunt <dhunt nspami70west.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Thank for making my point for me.
>
> >>> Why do you post so much noise and then whine about too much noise,
> >>> ****?
>
> >>> And by the way, ****, are you a spammer? What other nyms do you
> >>> use?
>
> >> oops the troll has regressed to name calling :-)
>
> > Looking at your name, that is obviously the pot calling the kettle
> > "black". And your e-mail suggests that you need a better tinfoil
> > cap.
> > --
>
> This should be good, how is my name in any way related to YOU calling others
> names ??

For one, that's not your real name, so its like you calling yourself a
name - which could be assigned to someone else. Thus, calling others
names.

(connected the dots, yet?)

Schiffner

February 10th 11, 02:29 AM

On Feb 9, 2:25*pm, Basement Bandy > wrote:
> On Feb 9, 3:22*am, "Atheist Chaplain" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "John Doe" > wrote in message
>
> b.com...
>
> > > "Atheist Chaplain" <abused cia.gov> wrote:
>
> > >> "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
> > >> news:4d4de237$0$15838$c3e8da3$12bcf670 news.astraweb.com...
> > >>> Daryl Hunt <dhunt nspami70west.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>> Thank for making my point for me.
>
> > >>> Why do you post so much noise and then whine about too much noise,
> > >>> ****?
>
> > >>> And by the way, ****, are you a spammer? What other nyms do you
> > >>> use?
>
> > >> oops the troll has regressed to name calling :-)
>
> > > Looking at your name, that is obviously the pot calling the kettle
> > > "black". And your e-mail suggests that you need a better tinfoil
> > > cap.
> > > --
>
> > This should be good, *how is my name in any way related to YOU calling others
> > *names ??
>
> For one, that's not your real name, so its like you calling yourself a
> name - which could be assigned to someone else. *Thus, calling others
> names.
>
> (connected the dots, yet?)-

I dunno...you ain't too damn bright either boy.

Atheist Chaplain[_2_]

February 10th 11, 11:14 AM

"Basement Bandy" > wrote in message
...
> On Feb 9, 3:22 am, "Atheist Chaplain" > wrote:
>> "John Doe" > wrote in message
>>
>> b.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Atheist Chaplain" <abused cia.gov> wrote:
>>
>> >> "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> news:4d4de237$0$15838$c3e8da3$12bcf670 news.astraweb.com...
>> >>> Daryl Hunt <dhunt nspami70west.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> Thank for making my point for me.
>>
>> >>> Why do you post so much noise and then whine about too much noise,
>> >>> ****?
>>
>> >>> And by the way, ****, are you a spammer? What other nyms do you
>> >>> use?
>>
>> >> oops the troll has regressed to name calling :-)
>>
>> > Looking at your name, that is obviously the pot calling the kettle
>> > "black". And your e-mail suggests that you need a better tinfoil
>> > cap.
>> > --
>>
>> This should be good, how is my name in any way related to YOU calling
>> others
>> names ??
>
> For one, that's not your real name, so its like you calling yourself a
> name - which could be assigned to someone else. Thus, calling others
> names.
>
> (connected the dots, yet?)

clutching at straws yet ??

--
[This comment is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Church of
Scientology International]
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your
Christ"

Atheist Chaplain[_2_]

February 10th 11, 11:14 AM

"Schiffner" > wrote in message
...
> On Feb 9, 1:22 am, "Atheist Chaplain" > wrote:
>> "John Doe" > wrote in message
>>
>> b.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Atheist Chaplain" <abused cia.gov> wrote:
>>
>> >> "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> news:4d4de237$0$15838$c3e8da3$12bcf670 news.astraweb.com...
>> >>> Daryl Hunt <dhunt nspami70west.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> Thank for making my point for me.
>>
>> >>> Why do you post so much noise and then whine about too much noise,
>> >>> ****?
>>
>> >>> And by the way, ****, are you a spammer? What other nyms do you
>> >>> use?
>>
>> >> oops the troll has regressed to name calling :-)
>>
>> > Looking at your name, that is obviously the pot calling the kettle
>> > "black". And your e-mail suggests that you need a better tinfoil
>> > cap.
>> > --
>>
>> This should be good, how is my name in any way related to YOU calling
>> others
>> names ??
>> How does it apply to the pot calling the kettle black ??
>> feel free to use words with more than 2 syllables, take your time, look
>> them
>> up if you have to.
>> I also gather that your not very bright and don't get the concept of
>> sarcasm
>> or irony, maybe your parents should not have been so closely related.
>>
>> [This comment is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Church
>> of
>> Scientology International]
>> "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike
>> your
>> Christ"-
>
> You can so use that! Anything a cult says is automaticlly inelligable
> for copyright. Why? Because I said so...and I'm the dad that's why.

sorry Dad ;-)

--
[This comment is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Church of
Scientology International]
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your
Christ"