Things you don't want to hear on a taxi test.

[Dave Hyde]

"[Shucks], I'm airborne."

But 6 inches for 100 feet doesn't count as a
first flight :-) Interesting cockpit
video <g>.

Dave 'I swore I'd never crow-hop' Hyde

[Rich Ahrens]

Dave Hyde wrote:
> "[Shucks], I'm airborne."
>
> But 6 inches for 100 feet doesn't count as a
> first flight :-) Interesting cockpit
> video <g>.

Shucks? Shucks? Now there's another tall tale for next year in Pville!

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[Roger Halstead]

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:47:38 GMT, Dave Hyde > wrote:

>"[Shucks], I'm airborne."
>
>But 6 inches for 100 feet doesn't count as a
>first flight :-) Interesting cockpit
>video <g>.
>
>Dave 'I swore I'd never crow-hop' Hyde


Just don't try to imitate the Emmeraud here at 3BS. it had a 125 HP
engine and was designed for about 65 or so. The pilot only had a few
hours of tail dragger time...wayyyy back when he'd been checked out.

For some strange reason he fire walled it and it went ballistic
instead of accelerating down the runway. What goes straight up
usually comes straight down. The lift from the wing brought the nose
back up and it hit just the south of the runway. The only damage to
the plane was it broke both main gear off the spar and put a crack in
the right side cowl...and the two sets of teeth marks in the glare
shield.

It's been rebuilt and is now regularly flying.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Return address modified due to dumb virus checkers

[Dave Hyde]

Roger Halstead wrote:

> Just don't try to imitate the Emmeraud here at 3BS.

Whew, I have no intention of that. I had intended
to do a few medium speed runs, raising the tail each time,
then pull the cowl and check things over. I'm not cruising
around with the tail up, it's just power up, tail up, power
back and stop. Second run I could feel it getting light on the
gear. Third run I guess I didn't get as much forward stick as
before, so the attitude was a little more nose-high, and it rotated
on the mains and popped off the ground. Airspeed was out of
my scan at that point, but it must've been around 45 knots or so,
so I wasn't going to horse it into the air and take it around.
I had plenty of runway, so I throttled back, held the attitude, and
let it settle. I wasn't 100% sure I was airborne until the tires
chirped on touchdown. Next comment (on tape), "I guess I know
it flies now."

Observations:
Acceleration is faster than I expected - I've never flown an RV
solo. I'd planned on good accel, but it was more than I expected.
Tail comes up sooner than expected too. See above.
Takes longer than I expected to slow to taxi speed...although
time compression may have something to do with that <g>
Everything felt great control-wise. No gross trim problems
noted.

By the way, I was doing this prepared for a flight if something
like this happened. Flight-ready airplane, parachute, gas,
preflight/runup, etc., so if it turned into a first flight I could
minimize the surprises and not get caught in something too ugly.

Dave 'taxi stand' Hyde

[B2431]

>From: Dave Hyde
>Date: 12/9/2003 6:47 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"[Shucks], I'm airborne."
>
>But 6 inches for 100 feet doesn't count as a
>first flight :-) Interesting cockpit
>video <g>.
>
>Dave 'I swore I'd never crow-hop' Hyde

>
Well, look at the bright side: you have established a baseline for determining
take off speed, you know it will fly straight and level in ground effect and
that the gear will not collapse in a gentle landing.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Roger Halstead]

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:27:29 GMT, Dave Hyde > wrote:

>Roger Halstead wrote:
>
>> Just don't try to imitate the Emmeraud here at 3BS.
>
>Whew, I have no intention of that. I had intended
>to do a few medium speed runs, raising the tail each time,
>then pull the cowl and check things over. I'm not cruising
>around with the tail up, it's just power up, tail up, power
>back and stop. Second run I could feel it getting light on the
>gear. Third run I guess I didn't get as much forward stick as
>before, so the attitude was a little more nose-high, and it rotated
>on the mains and popped off the ground. Airspeed was out of
>my scan at that point, but it must've been around 45 knots or so,
>so I wasn't going to horse it into the air and take it around.
>I had plenty of runway, so I throttled back, held the attitude, and
>let it settle. I wasn't 100% sure I was airborne until the tires
>chirped on touchdown. Next comment (on tape), "I guess I know
>it flies now."
>
>Observations:
>Acceleration is faster than I expected - I've never flown an RV
>solo. I'd planned on good accel, but it was more than I expected.
>Tail comes up sooner than expected too. See above.

You have considerably more experience than I<:-)) I have flown one
twice, but it was a nose dragger (6A) and never solo. It was a nice
flying plane. Light on the controls, but overly so and good harmony.
*Nothing* like the GP4 I flew.

>Takes longer than I expected to slow to taxi speed...although
>time compression may have something to do with that <g>

Wait till you're coming back in to land it the first time. I'll bet
it's at least as exciting as your first solo landing as a student<:-))

>Everything felt great control-wise. No gross trim problems
>noted.

Glad to hear that. Of all the planes we've had solo out here at 3BS
only a couple needed some tuning of the rigging.

>
>By the way, I was doing this prepared for a flight if something
>like this happened. Flight-ready airplane, parachute, gas,
>preflight/runup, etc., so if it turned into a first flight I could
>minimize the surprises and not get caught in something too ugly.

Parachute? Just cause it's a first flight of one "You put together"?
You should have more faith in the builder<LOL>
I'll be wearing one through the flight test phase for the G-III if I
ever get it off the ground. I'll probably be too old to fly by then.

>
>Dave 'taxi stand' Hyde

Keep up the good work!

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Return address modified due to dumb virus checkers

[Stealth Pilot]

On 10 Dec 2003 04:30:33 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

>>From: Dave Hyde
>>Date: 12/9/2003 6:47 PM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>"[Shucks], I'm airborne."
>>
>>But 6 inches for 100 feet doesn't count as a
>>first flight :-) Interesting cockpit
>>video <g>.
>>
>>Dave 'I swore I'd never crow-hop' Hyde

>>
>Well, look at the bright side: you have established a baseline for determining
>take off speed, you know it will fly straight and level in ground effect and
>that the gear will not collapse in a gentle landing.
>
>Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

and you did it in the hundredth anniversary of the first flight with
the good sense not to upstage the distance :-)

good one nauga!

Stealth Pilot
oz.

[Bob Martin]

> Observations:
> Acceleration is faster than I expected - I've never flown an RV
> solo. I'd planned on good accel, but it was more than I expected.

Yeah, it'll press you back into the seat... what model and engine do you
have?

> Tail comes up sooner than expected too. See above.

It does... my dad yelled at me the first few times I took off (he's been
giving me unofficial taildragger training, with the intent of getting me to
the point of just being able to have a CFI sign me off) since by the time I
would raise the tail we'd already be at flying speed...

> Takes longer than I expected to slow to taxi speed...although
> time compression may have something to do with that <g>

Nope, not time compression there... and if you leave even the tiniest smidge
of power on by accident, it takes an eternity. These planes do not like to
slow down...

[Dptate]

>hucks], I'm airborne."
>
>But 6 inches for 100 feet doesn't count as a
>first flight :-) Interesting cockpit
>video <g>.
>
>Dave 'I swore I'd never crow-hop' Hyde


Congratulations on your project. Great feeling isn't it.

Dave "been there, done that" Tate

[RR Urban]

>Observations:
>Acceleration is faster than I expected - I've never flown an RV
>solo. I'd planned on good accel, but it was more than I expected.
>Tail comes up sooner than expected too.
...
...
>Takes longer than I expected to slow to taxi speed...
>
>Dave 'taxi stand' Hyde
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

{Everything is even a tad quicker in the RV-3.]

As to slowing down to taxi speeds --
My RV-3 never does... WITHOUT brake
application on a paved strip of 4500 feet
even when 3 pointing on the first 600 feet,

The 69 inch pitch prop and 650 rpm idle, keeps
the RV-3 trucking almost indefinitely over 30 mph
without minor brake application on hard surface.

If your idle and prop pitch are above that...
so much the worse.

P.S.
Grass, of course, is a different story.


Barnyard BOb - do the math

[Roger Halstead]

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:32:19 GMT, Roger Halstead
> wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:27:29 GMT, Dave Hyde > wrote:
>


<snip>
>You have considerably more experience than I<:-)) I have flown one
>twice, but it was a nose dragger (6A) and never solo. It was a nice
>flying plane. Light on the controls, but overly so and good harmony.
>*Nothing* like the GP4 I flew.

That should have been "Not overly so". That's what comes out of typing
in the middle of the night...


BTW, I'm jealous! <:-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Return address modified due to dumb virus checkers

[Rich S.]

"Dave Hyde" > wrote in message
...
> "[Shucks], I'm airborne."
>
> But 6 inches for 100 feet doesn't count as a
> first flight :-) Interesting cockpit
> video <g>.
You might have said:

"Success four flights thursday morning # all against twenty one mile wind
started from Level with engine power alone # average speed through air
thirty one miles longest 57 [sic] seconds inform Press home ####Christmas."

Congratulations, Dave. Log it!

Rich S.

[RR Urban]

><snip>
>>You have considerably more experience than I<:-)) I have flown one
>>twice, but it was a nose dragger (6A) and never solo. It was a nice
>>flying plane. Light on the controls, but overly so and good harmony.
>>*Nothing* like the GP4 I flew.
>
>That should have been "Not overly so". That's what comes out of typing
>in the middle of the night...

I figured you meant exactly that anyway, Roger.
No harm done on this end. <g>

>BTW, I'm jealous! <:-))
>
>Roger Halstead

Jealous of what exactly?

What you are building is in a class
and mission vastly different than an RV-4.

I'd be jealous of you, if my mission was not
to fly in and out of short unimproved strips
and still go reasonable fast on the cheap.


Barnyard BOb -- over 550 RV-3 hours

[Dan Thomas]

Roger Halstead > wrote in message >...
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:47:38 GMT, Dave Hyde > wrote:
>
> >"[Shucks], I'm airborne."
> >
> >But 6 inches for 100 feet doesn't count as a
> >first flight :-) Interesting cockpit
> >video <g>.
> >
> >Dave 'I swore I'd never crow-hop' Hyde
>
>
> Just don't try to imitate the Emmeraud here at 3BS. it had a 125 HP
> engine and was designed for about 65 or so. The pilot only had a few
> hours of tail dragger time...wayyyy back when he'd been checked out.

125 hp in an Emeraude is just about right. 65 would make it a
feeble airplane. One book I have here says it has flown with
everything from 85 to 150 hp.
The pilot just didn't know what he was doing.

Dan

[John Ousterhout]

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:47:38 GMT, Dave Hyde > wrote:

>"[Shucks], I'm airborne."
>
>But 6 inches for 100 feet doesn't count as a
>first flight :-) Interesting cockpit video <g>.

Is a first flight possible on the Hundredth anniversary of THE FIRST
FLIGHT?

Congratulations on your achievement.

- J.O.-

[Jerry Springer]

Ballistic in an Emmeraud on 125hp? LOL

Jerry

Roger Halstead wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:47:38 GMT, Dave Hyde > wrote:
>
>
>>"[Shucks], I'm airborne."
>>
>>But 6 inches for 100 feet doesn't count as a
>>first flight :-) Interesting cockpit
>>video <g>.
>>
>>Dave 'I swore I'd never crow-hop' Hyde

>
>
> Just don't try to imitate the Emmeraud here at 3BS. it had a 125 HP
> engine and was designed for about 65 or so. The pilot only had a few
> hours of tail dragger time...wayyyy back when he'd been checked out.
>
> For some strange reason he fire walled it and it went ballistic
> instead of accelerating down the runway. What goes straight up
> usually comes straight down. The lift from the wing brought the nose
> back up and it hit just the south of the runway. The only damage to
> the plane was it broke both main gear off the spar and put a crack in
> the right side cowl...and the two sets of teeth marks in the glare
> shield.
>
> It's been rebuilt and is now regularly flying.
>
> Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
> (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
> www.rogerhalstead.com
> Return address modified due to dumb virus checkers
>

[Roger Halstead]

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:32:02 -0600, RR Urban > wrote:

>
>><snip>
>>>You have considerably more experience than I<:-)) I have flown one
>>>twice, but it was a nose dragger (6A) and never solo. It was a nice
>>>flying plane. Light on the controls, but overly so and good harmony.
>>>*Nothing* like the GP4 I flew.
>>
>>That should have been "Not overly so". That's what comes out of typing
>>in the middle of the night...
>
>I figured you meant exactly that anyway, Roger.
>No harm done on this end. <g>
>
>>BTW, I'm jealous! <:-))
>>
>>Roger Halstead
>
>Jealous of what exactly?

Of you being almost ready to take your RV flying. They are great ships
and I enjoyed flying one even though it was only a couple of hops for
a total of 2 hours.

>
>What you are building is in a class
>and mission vastly different than an RV-4.

and a long ways to go before it gets in the air.
I like airplanes, although I do happen to be a bit fussy about which
ones. <:-))
>
>I'd be jealous of you, if my mission was not
>to fly in and out of short unimproved strips
>and still go reasonable fast on the cheap.

If I were about 40 years younger there are about 4 ships, maybe I
should say "at least" 4 ships, I'd be building...covering the
gauntlet from a STOL heavy hauler, to a G-III and beyond. Course, if
I were 40 years younger, and know what I know now I'd borrow the money
and buy those 4 or 5 P 51s out of Texas at $7500 each (with gas).
<:-)) when I had the chance.

For most of us with a bit of imagination, which leaves out most of the
population, but includes most who are willing to build an airplane,
there are always more things to do, or that we'd like to do. I figure
it'd take me at least five lifetimes just to get done what I'd like to
do in this one. <:-))

BTW, a bit off topic, but I took the Deb over to MBS Monday to get the
pitot static system, altimeter, and transponder checks done. A friend
gave me a ride back in his Cherokee 180. Just after Clearance
delivery gave us our clearance we heard them clear someone to land, #2
behind... something. We looked at each other and in unison said, "Did
he say F-16?".

There was an F-16 flying the ILS. I have to admit his missed is a bit
more lively than mine in the Deb. Man, but that was impressive.
>
>
>Barnyard BOb -- over 550 RV-3 hours

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) 2 hours in an RV6A and almost
a full hour in a G-III although I do have over a 1000 in the Deb.
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Return address modified due to dumb virus checkers

[RR Urban]

Roger Halstead wrote:

>>>BTW, I'm jealous! <:-))
>>>
>>>Roger Halstead
>>
>>Jealous of what exactly?
>
>Of you being almost ready to take your RV flying. They are great ships
>and I enjoyed flying one even though it was only a couple of hops for
>a total of 2 hours.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hey !
Nobody is jealous of me.

I've got one foot in the grave
and the other on a banana peel....
amongst several other fatal flaws that
need not be addressed at this time. <g>

HINT:
Does the name 'Dave Hyde' ring a bell?


RV-3 BOb - more mis-speak on tap?

[B2431]

>From: RR Urban

>Hey !
>Nobody is jealous of me.
>
>I've got one foot in the grave
>and the other on a banana peel....
>amongst several other fatal flaws that
>need not be addressed at this time. <g>
>

I see an oppornunity to make money here. Mind if we all take out insurance
policies on you?

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired