Re: Cirrus Acquired By Chinese Company

[Mxsmanic]

Gregory writes:

> Cirrus Industries Inc., parent company of Cirrus Aircraft acquired by
> Chinese company..
>
>
> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Cirrus_Acquired_By_Chinese_Company_204192-1.html

Not the least bit surprising, but not good news.

[Robert Barker]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Gregory writes:
>
>> Cirrus Industries Inc., parent company of Cirrus Aircraft acquired by
>> Chinese company..
>>
>>
>> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Cirrus_Acquired_By_Chinese_Company_204192-1.html
>
> Not the least bit surprising, but not good news.

The Chinese bought part of GM so I don't buy them. Now Cirrus is off my
wish list.

[Dave Doe]

In article >, cowboy_bob99
@hotmail.com, Robert Barker says...
>
> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Gregory writes:
> >
> >> Cirrus Industries Inc., parent company of Cirrus Aircraft acquired by
> >> Chinese company..
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Cirrus_Acquired_By_Chinese_Company_204192-1.html
> >
> > Not the least bit surprising, but not good news.
>
> The Chinese bought part of GM so I don't buy them. Now Cirrus is off my
> wish list.

Why not?

--
Duncan.

[Mxsmanic]

Robert Barker writes:

> The Chinese bought part of GM so I don't buy them. Now Cirrus is off my
> wish list.

I had some issues with Cirrus even when it was still an American company, so
it was never really on my wish list. It's a company that deliberately markets
its aircraft in a misleading way to naive, low-time, wealthy pilots.

[Martin Hotze[_3_]]

Am 02.03.2011 03:59, schrieb Robert Barker:
> The Chinese bought part of GM so I don't buy them. Now Cirrus is off my
> wish list.

they (Chinese) also own most of the US debt. What do you wanna do now? :-)

#m
--
"What would I do with 72 virgins? That's not a reward,
that's a punishment. Give me two seasoned whores any day."
(Billy Connolly)

[Bob Moore]

"Robert Barker" > wrote
> The Chinese bought part of GM so I don't buy them. Now Cirrus is off
> my wish list.

Not too well informed...eh?

"But Buick, which sold more vehicles in China than it did in the U.S. last
year, faces an uphill battle on its home turf. Its U.S. sales have tumbled
46 percent since 2002. And the slide continues so far this year."

This is a 2007 news article.

Bob Moore

[Jim Logajan]

Mxsmanic > wrote:
> I had some issues with Cirrus even when it was still an American
> company, so it was never really on my wish list. It's a company that
> deliberately markets its aircraft in a misleading way to naive,
> low-time, wealthy pilots.

The statistics indicate that the pilots that have accidents in Cirrus
aircraft are generally not low time pilots, so any allegations about the
marketing are irrelevant.

[Robert Barker]

"Dave Doe" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, cowboy_bob99
> @hotmail.com, Robert Barker says...
>>
>> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Gregory writes:
>> >
>> >> Cirrus Industries Inc., parent company of Cirrus Aircraft acquired by
>> >> Chinese company..
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Cirrus_Acquired_By_Chinese_Company_204192-1.html
>> >
>> > Not the least bit surprising, but not good news.
>>
>> The Chinese bought part of GM so I don't buy them. Now Cirrus is off my
>> wish list.
>
> Why not?
>
> --
> Duncan.

Based on the quality of all the other crap that comes from China. Sure, it
will be made in the US... For now. How long till they do like they have
historically done and move everything over there and "refine" the design.

[Robert Barker]

"Bob Moore" > wrote in message
. 153.163...
> "Robert Barker" > wrote
>> The Chinese bought part of GM so I don't buy them. Now Cirrus is off
>> my wish list.
>
> Not too well informed...eh?
>
> "But Buick, which sold more vehicles in China than it did in the U.S. last
> year, faces an uphill battle on its home turf. Its U.S. sales have tumbled
> 46 percent since 2002. And the slide continues so far this year."
>
> This is a 2007 news article.
>
> Bob Moore
>

2010 article.
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2010-11-18/news/27628180_1_china-s-saic-gm-international-operations-tim-lee

They only have 1% for now. They don't invent or innovate on their own -
independent thought is discouraged. So they bring foreign companies in, let
them operate for a bit, nationalize them, then become your next competitor.
It's happened over and over and over.

[Mxsmanic]

Jim Logajan writes:

> The statistics indicate that the pilots that have accidents in Cirrus
> aircraft are generally not low time pilots, so any allegations about the
> marketing are irrelevant.

What is the average number of hours that a Cirrus accident pilot has?

[hierophant]

On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 06:13:14 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:

> Jim Logajan writes:
>
>> The statistics indicate that the pilots that have accidents in Cirrus
>> aircraft are generally not low time pilots, so any allegations about the
>> marketing are irrelevant.
>
> What is the average number of hours that a Cirrus accident pilot has?

Aw, the troll at work! Let's tune in and see if Jim swallows the hook,
line and/or sinker ;)
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[Morgans[_4_]]

"Jim Logajan" wrote

Mxsmanic > wrote:
The same old ****.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please, I'm _Beggin'_ you!

Don't respond to this douche bag. He has had a very bad effect on the
group, and it almost looks like it is starting to come back.

If people fall for this troll's style again...
Forget about any recovery.

-- Jim in NC

[hierophant]

On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 01:02:12 -0500, Morgans wrote:

> "Jim Logajan" wrote
>
> Mxsmanic > wrote:
> The same old ****.
>
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Please, I'm _Beggin'_ you!
>
> Don't respond to this douche bag. He has had a very bad effect on the
> group, and it almost looks like it is starting to come back.
>
> If people fall for this troll's style again...
> Forget about any recovery.
>
> -- Jim in NC

I would think Jim has most of his time wrapped up in hiring attorneys
and seeking out forgers. But I could be wrong ;)
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hierophant

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[Jim Logajan]

hierophant > wrote:
> I would think Jim has most of his time wrapped up in hiring attorneys
> and seeking out forgers. But I could be wrong ;)

You are wrong. :-)

[hierophant]

On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 19:05:02 -0700, Robert Barker wrote:

> "Bob Moore" > wrote in message
> . 153.163...
>> "Robert Barker" > wrote
>>> The Chinese bought part of GM so I don't buy them. Now Cirrus is off
>>> my wish list.
>>
>> Not too well informed...eh?
>>
>> "But Buick, which sold more vehicles in China than it did in the U.S. last
>> year, faces an uphill battle on its home turf. Its U.S. sales have tumbled
>> 46 percent since 2002. And the slide continues so far this year."
>>
>> This is a 2007 news article.
>>
>> Bob Moore
>>
>
> 2010 article.
> http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2010-11-18/news/27628180_1_china-s-saic-gm-international-operations-tim-lee
>
> They only have 1% for now. They don't invent or innovate on their own -
> independent thought is discouraged. So they bring foreign companies in, let
> them operate for a bit, nationalize them, then become your next competitor.
> It's happened over and over and over.

Robert, there is no arguing with someone who has a chunk on his
shoulder for this set of foreign nationals or that set of FNs. I could
point out that there are dozens of countries that have run their
businesses in similar fashion but why get in the way of your chosen
funset? ;)

As far as Cirrus is concerned, it is a fine aircraft which can well
become a better one and a less expensive alternative mutually. The
only way that can happen in these days and times is for the Chinese to
step in; sure beats the Koreans!

The Chinese now own a piston-engine manufacturer, two VLJ airframes, a
kit company and several other technologies. Can any American company
say the same?

If we rely on Wichita and Florida to fashion our aircraft, we will
continue to be in a spiral of increasing prices (including operating
expenses) and decreasing performance.

The entry of the Chinese in the GA market is a good thing imho; it was
bound to happen and now it has.
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In rec.aviation.piloting hierophant > wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 19:05:02 -0700, Robert Barker wrote:
>
>> "Bob Moore" > wrote in message
>> . 153.163...
>>> "Robert Barker" > wrote
>>>> The Chinese bought part of GM so I don't buy them. Now Cirrus is off
>>>> my wish list.
>>>
>>> Not too well informed...eh?
>>>
>>> "But Buick, which sold more vehicles in China than it did in the U.S. last
>>> year, faces an uphill battle on its home turf. Its U.S. sales have tumbled
>>> 46 percent since 2002. And the slide continues so far this year."
>>>
>>> This is a 2007 news article.
>>>
>>> Bob Moore
>>>
>>
>> 2010 article.
>> http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2010-11-18/news/27628180_1_china-s-saic-gm-international-operations-tim-lee
>>
>> They only have 1% for now. They don't invent or innovate on their own -
>> independent thought is discouraged. So they bring foreign companies in, let
>> them operate for a bit, nationalize them, then become your next competitor.
>> It's happened over and over and over.
>
> Robert, there is no arguing with someone who has a chunk on his
> shoulder for this set of foreign nationals or that set of FNs. I could
> point out that there are dozens of countries that have run their
> businesses in similar fashion but why get in the way of your chosen
> funset? ;)
>
> As far as Cirrus is concerned, it is a fine aircraft which can well
> become a better one and a less expensive alternative mutually. The
> only way that can happen in these days and times is for the Chinese to
> step in; sure beats the Koreans!
>
> The Chinese now own a piston-engine manufacturer, two VLJ airframes, a
> kit company and several other technologies. Can any American company
> say the same?
>
> If we rely on Wichita and Florida to fashion our aircraft, we will
> continue to be in a spiral of increasing prices (including operating
> expenses) and decreasing performance.
>
> The entry of the Chinese in the GA market is a good thing imho; it was
> bound to happen and now it has.

What really happens will depend a lot on how much is moved to China and
what the FAA does.

Lot's of countries make airplanes, but when is the last time anyone saw
an APM 30 Lion on the local airplane dealers lot?


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Martin Hotze > writes:

> Am 02.03.2011 03:59, schrieb Robert Barker:
>> The Chinese bought part of GM so I don't buy them. Now Cirrus is off my
>> wish list.
>
> they (Chinese) also own most of the US debt. What do you wanna do now? :-)

Haha. As if he could ever afford a Cirrus anyway. To avoid Chinese good
now you have to live in a cave...hmmm...maybe that's why Bin Laden does?

--
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
-- Mark Twain

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"Robert Barker" > writes:


> They don't invent or innovate on their own
> -
> independent thought is discouraged.

I think YOU need to think independently of talk radio.

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consequences.
~ Robert G. Ingersoll

[Dylan Smith[_2_]]

On 2011-03-03, Robert Barker > wrote:
> Based on the quality of all the other crap that comes from China. Sure, it
> will be made in the US... For now. How long till they do like they have
> historically done and move everything over there and "refine" the design.

Cheap crap is cheap crap wherever it is made, it is not something that
the Chinese have a monopoly on. Having had a number of PCBs made
in China, I can say the quality and reliability of those were top notch.

[Frank Stutzman[_3_]]

In rec.aviation.piloting wrote:

> Lot's of countries make airplanes, but when is the last time anyone saw
> an APM 30 Lion on the local airplane dealers lot?

"Local airplane dealers lot"? Maybe I should get out more, but I've never
seen such a thing, much less an APM 30 Lion on it.

--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Boise, ID

[hierophant]

On Sat, 5 Mar 2011 00:41:57 +0000 (UTC), Frank Stutzman wrote:

> In rec.aviation.piloting wrote:
>
>> Lot's of countries make airplanes, but when is the last time anyone saw
>> an APM 30 Lion on the local airplane dealers lot?
>
> "Local airplane dealers lot"? Maybe I should get out more, but I've never
> seen such a thing, much less an APM 30 Lion on it.

Here I thought it was just me ;)
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Frank Stutzman > wrote:
> In rec.aviation.piloting wrote:
>
>> Lot's of countries make airplanes, but when is the last time anyone saw
>> an APM 30 Lion on the local airplane dealers lot?
>
> "Local airplane dealers lot"? Maybe I should get out more, but I've never
> seen such a thing, much less an APM 30 Lion on it.

Yeah, maybe you should get out more, for starters:

http://www.foothillaircraft.com/

http://www.vanbortelaircraftsales.com/

http://www.mccandlessaircraftlc.com/

http://www.griffithaviationsales.com/

http://www.midwest-aviation.com/default.htm

http://www.rivannaaircraftsales.com/default.htm

Though these days there are fewer of them than there used to be.


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[Frank Stutzman[_3_]]

wrote:
> Frank Stutzman > wrote:
>> In rec.aviation.piloting wrote:
>>
>>> Lot's of countries make airplanes, but when is the last time anyone saw
>>> an APM 30 Lion on the local airplane dealers lot?
>>
>> "Local airplane dealers lot"? Maybe I should get out more, but I've never
>> seen such a thing, much less an APM 30 Lion on it.
>
> Yeah, maybe you should get out more, for starters:
>
> http://www.foothillaircraft.com/
>
> http://www.vanbortelaircraftsales.com/
>
> http://www.mccandlessaircraftlc.com/
>
> http://www.griffithaviationsales.com/
>
> http://www.midwest-aviation.com/default.htm
>
> http://www.rivannaaircraftsales.com/default.htm
>
> Though these days there are fewer of them than there used to be.

I didn't say that airplane dealer lots didn't exist. Just that that
they are rare and for most people there are no local ones.

And most of what is in your list are what I would call brokers, not
dealers. I really doubt that actually have all their "inventory"
in one place.

Also, while you didn't say it, the conversation was implying new
aircaft, not used. Excpet for the first one listed I don't see anyone
selling strictly new aircraft.

Sorry, I just seem to be extra pedantic this morning...
--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Boise, ID

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Frank Stutzman > wrote:
> wrote:
>> Frank Stutzman > wrote:
>>> In rec.aviation.piloting wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lot's of countries make airplanes, but when is the last time anyone saw
>>>> an APM 30 Lion on the local airplane dealers lot?
>>>
>>> "Local airplane dealers lot"? Maybe I should get out more, but I've never
>>> seen such a thing, much less an APM 30 Lion on it.
>>
>> Yeah, maybe you should get out more, for starters:
>>
>> http://www.foothillaircraft.com/
>>
>> http://www.vanbortelaircraftsales.com/
>>
>> http://www.mccandlessaircraftlc.com/
>>
>> http://www.griffithaviationsales.com/
>>
>> http://www.midwest-aviation.com/default.htm
>>
>> http://www.rivannaaircraftsales.com/default.htm
>>
>> Though these days there are fewer of them than there used to be.
>
> I didn't say that airplane dealer lots didn't exist. Just that that
> they are rare and for most people there are no local ones.

That depends a lot on the population densitiy of the area; there are
several in California but none that I know of in New Mexico.

> And most of what is in your list are what I would call brokers, not
> dealers. I really doubt that actually have all their "inventory"
> in one place.

I have never seen a dealer that wasn't also a broker and usually whatever
used aircraft will fit are on their lot, or at least the "best sellers"
are.

> Also, while you didn't say it, the conversation was implying new
> aircaft, not used. Excpet for the first one listed I don't see anyone
> selling strictly new aircraft.

Even in the glory days of the 70's there were hardly any sellers that just
sold new aircraft from one manufacturer.

BTW, the first one listed does not just sell new aircraft nor did they in
the 70's when they were a factory approved Cessna and Mooney dealer.


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