Re: Software for glider pilots running on Ipad

[Sean Fidler]

XC Soar (open source) runs phenomenally on driodX (any andriod phone) and the Motorola Xoom Tablet. I think apple can run this but I might be wrong. XC Soar is full featured cc sailplane racing software, is entirely free and is being developed and updated nearly every day by a dedicated and passionate team of sailplane pilot developers who believe the sailplane computer market is a bit of a shame and the hardware offered (pdas, oudie) is cheap chinese crap. The software is similar to SeeYou and has alot of great features. Worth a look. Type in cc soar on the android market.

[Darryl Ramm]

On Apr 8, 5:26*am, Sean Fidler > wrote:
> XC Soar (open source) runs phenomenally on driodX (any andriod phone) and the
> Motorola Xoom Tablet. *I think apple can run this but I might be wrong.
/snip/

Just to clarify, XCSoar (or the derivative LK8000) does not run on any
Apple iOS (or Mac OS X) device. It would require the developers port
to this software and that's probalby too much to expect given the
several platforms they are already supporting.

Darryl

[Mike Schumann]

On 4/8/2011 8:26 AM, Sean Fidler wrote:
> XC Soar (open source) runs phenomenally on driodX (any andriod phone) and the Motorola Xoom Tablet. I think apple can run this but I might be wrong. XC Soar is full featured cc sailplane racing software, is entirely free and is being developed and updated nearly every day by a dedicated and passionate team of sailplane pilot developers who believe the sailplane computer market is a bit of a shame and the hardware offered (pdas, oudie) is cheap chinese crap. The software is similar to SeeYou and has alot of great features. Worth a look. Type in cc soar on the android market.
It will be interesting to see if they make it available on the Nook
Color. That could be a great low cost ($249) option.

--
Mike Schumann

[Darryl Ramm]

On Apr 8, 12:31*pm, Mike Schumann >
wrote:
> On 4/8/2011 8:26 AM, Sean Fidler wrote:> XC Soar (open source) runs phenomenally on driodX (any andriod phone) and the Motorola Xoom Tablet. *I think apple can run this but I might be wrong. *XC Soar is full featured cc sailplane racing software, is entirely free and is being developed and updated nearly every day by a dedicated and passionate team of sailplane pilot developers who believe the sailplane computer market is a bit of a shame and the hardware offered (pdas, oudie) is cheap chinese crap. *The software is similar to SeeYou and has alot of great features. *Worth a look. *Type in cc soar on the android market.
>
> It will be interesting to see if they make it available on the Nook
> Color. *That could be a great low cost ($249) option.
>
> --
> Mike Schumann

Mike

Its possible to root hack the Nook now and run Android 2.2 (and maybe
3.0) on it and should be able to install the current XCSoar Android
software and see if it works. I believe there is supposed to be an
official upgrade to Android 2.2 coming for the Nook which should make
this easier. Anybody tried XCSoar on the Nook?

Darryl

[Jim[_18_]]

On Apr 8, 1:49*pm, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
> On Apr 8, 12:31*pm, Mike Schumann >
> wrote:
>
> > On 4/8/2011 8:26 AM, Sean Fidler wrote:> XC Soar (open source) runs phenomenally on driodX (any andriod phone) and the Motorola Xoom Tablet. *I think apple can run this but I might be wrong. *XC Soar is full featured cc sailplane racing software, is entirely free and is being developed and updated nearly every day by a dedicated and passionate team of sailplane pilot developers who believe the sailplane computer market is a bit of a shame and the hardware offered (pdas, oudie) is cheap chinese crap. *The software is similar to SeeYou and has alot of great features. *Worth a look. *Type in cc soar on the android market.
>
> > It will be interesting to see if they make it available on the Nook
> > Color. *That could be a great low cost ($249) option.
>
> > --
> > Mike Schumann
>
> Mike
>
> Its possible to root hack the Nook now and run Android 2.2 (and maybe
> 3.0) on it and should be able to install the current XCSoar Android
> software and see if it works. I believe there is supposed to be an
> official upgrade to Android 2.2 coming for the Nook which should make
> this easier. Anybody tried XCSoar on the Nook?
>
> Darryl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUoHALWvPts

Didn’t watch the whole video but it appears to be what you’re looking
for.

Jim

[jsbrake[_2_]]

> > Its possible to root hack the Nook now and run Android 2.2 (and maybe
> > 3.0) on it and should be able to install the current XCSoar Android
> > software and see if it works. I believe there is supposed to be an
> > official upgrade to Android 2.2 coming for the Nook which should make
> > this easier. Anybody tried XCSoar on the Nook?
>
Perhaps a foolish question, but since the Nook Color doesn't have a
GPS, how are you thinking of getting the GPS signal? I found that
there's an app called tetherGPS, but that uses an Android smartphone
to transmit over wi-fi to the Nook. Is there a way to feed the GPS
directly into the nook from another GPS source? Could it, somehow, be
connected to a PowerFLARM?

[Darryl Ramm]

On Apr 8, 4:10*pm, jsbrake > wrote:
> > > Its possible to root hack the Nook now and run Android 2.2 (and maybe
> > > 3.0) on it and should be able to install the current XCSoar Android
> > > software and see if it works. I believe there is supposed to be an
> > > official upgrade to Android 2.2 coming for the Nook which should make
> > > this easier. Anybody tried XCSoar on the Nook?
>
> Perhaps a foolish question, but since the Nook Color doesn't have a
> GPS, how are you thinking of getting the GPS signal? *I found that
> there's an app called tetherGPS, but that uses an Android smartphone
> to transmit over wi-fi to the Nook. *Is there a way to feed the GPS
> directly into the nook from another GPS source? *Could it, somehow, be
> connected to a PowerFLARM?


The Color Nook has Bluetooth hardware and enabling that and the
required SPP (serial over Bluetooth) is just a matter of software. If
that support is not in the common Android 2.2 root hack then it _may_
be in the official Android 2.2 update that is supposedly coming to the
Color Nook. Once you have BT SSP support in the operating system the
rest should be easy. And ideally applications that know how to use
this (like XCSoar) should in principle just work. Once you have
Bluetooth you can go out to those low cost Bluetooth GPS receivers or
via a Bluetooth adapter (like the K6-BT) to a PowerFLARM etc. Of
course my hand waving and seeing it all work are two different things.

BTW another nook root hack resource for the color Nook is
http://nookdevs.com/Portal:NookColor

I just ordered a iPad 2 but the inner geek in me is thinking of
getting a Moto Xoom as well since I want to play more with Android.


Darryl

[jsbrake[_2_]]

I just ordered a iPad 2 but the inner geek in me is thinking of
getting a Moto Xoom as well since I want to play more with Android.


My wife loves her iPad 2 (I braved the lines on opening day in
Canada), but I have an aversion the thing. My inner geek wants a
Notion Ink Adam, but in 7" format... however my inner geek is being
beaten up the harsh reality of 1 child in college and 2 more close
behind, plus a wife that loves to spend my sailplane money on
travelling to places where I can't take my sailplane.

Perhaps I can con her into getting me a Nook Color if the BT
connection works to the PowerFLARM.

[Mike Schumann]

On 4/8/2011 7:34 PM, Darryl Ramm wrote:
> On Apr 8, 4:10 pm, > wrote:
>>>> Its possible to root hack the Nook now and run Android 2.2 (and maybe
>>>> 3.0) on it and should be able to install the current XCSoar Android
>>>> software and see if it works. I believe there is supposed to be an
>>>> official upgrade to Android 2.2 coming for the Nook which should make
>>>> this easier. Anybody tried XCSoar on the Nook?
>>
>> Perhaps a foolish question, but since the Nook Color doesn't have a
>> GPS, how are you thinking of getting the GPS signal? I found that
>> there's an app called tetherGPS, but that uses an Android smartphone
>> to transmit over wi-fi to the Nook. Is there a way to feed the GPS
>> directly into the nook from another GPS source? Could it, somehow, be
>> connected to a PowerFLARM?
>
>
> The Color Nook has Bluetooth hardware and enabling that and the
> required SPP (serial over Bluetooth) is just a matter of software. If
> that support is not in the common Android 2.2 root hack then it _may_
> be in the official Android 2.2 update that is supposedly coming to the
> Color Nook. Once you have BT SSP support in the operating system the
> rest should be easy. And ideally applications that know how to use
> this (like XCSoar) should in principle just work. Once you have
> Bluetooth you can go out to those low cost Bluetooth GPS receivers or
> via a Bluetooth adapter (like the K6-BT) to a PowerFLARM etc. Of
> course my hand waving and seeing it all work are two different things.
>
> BTW another nook root hack resource for the color Nook is
> http://nookdevs.com/Portal:NookColor
>
> I just ordered a iPad 2 but the inner geek in me is thinking of
> getting a Moto Xoom as well since I want to play more with Android.
>
>
> Darryl
The Nook Color also has a USB interface, which might be another way to
connect the required GPS receiver.

--
Mike Schumann

[Darryl Ramm]

On Apr 8, 8:14*pm, Mike Schumann >
wrote:
> On 4/8/2011 7:34 PM, Darryl Ramm wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 8, 4:10 pm, > *wrote:
> >>>> Its possible to root hack the Nook now and run Android 2.2 (and maybe
> >>>> 3.0) on it and should be able to install the current XCSoar Android
> >>>> software and see if it works. I believe there is supposed to be an
> >>>> official upgrade to Android 2.2 coming for the Nook which should make
> >>>> this easier. Anybody tried XCSoar on the Nook?
>
> >> Perhaps a foolish question, but since the Nook Color doesn't have a
> >> GPS, how are you thinking of getting the GPS signal? *I found that
> >> there's an app called tetherGPS, but that uses an Android smartphone
> >> to transmit over wi-fi to the Nook. *Is there a way to feed the GPS
> >> directly into the nook from another GPS source? *Could it, somehow, be
> >> connected to a PowerFLARM?
>
> > The Color Nook has Bluetooth hardware and enabling that and the
> > required SPP (serial over Bluetooth) is just a matter of software. If
> > that support is not in the common Android 2.2 root hack then it _may_
> > be in the official Android 2.2 update that is supposedly coming to the
> > Color Nook. Once you have BT SSP support in the operating system the
> > rest should be easy. And ideally applications that know how to use
> > this (like XCSoar) should in principle just work. Once you have
> > Bluetooth you can go out to those low cost Bluetooth GPS receivers or
> > via a Bluetooth adapter (like the K6-BT) to a PowerFLARM etc. Of
> > course my hand waving and seeing it all work are two different things.
>
> > BTW another nook root hack resource for the color Nook is
> >http://nookdevs.com/Portal:NookColor
>
> > I just ordered a iPad 2 but the inner geek in me is thinking of
> > getting a Moto Xoom as well since I want to play more with Android.
>
> > Darryl
>
> The Nook Color also has a USB interface, which might be another way to
> connect the required GPS receiver.
>
> --
> Mike Schumann

The Color Nook as shipped is USB client only but it apparently has
chipset support for Bluetooth On-The-Go (i.e. client/host switching).
I don't think this is working yet with any of the root hacked Android
versions. But if the BT OTG support is really there then yes this is a
possibility. If its client only then it won't work. Still the first
step now would be for somebody to just try out XCSoar on Android 2.2
on this platform, you don't need a physical GPS to do a test.

Darryl

[Cliff Hilty[_4_]]

t 03:31 09 April 2011, Darryl Ramm wrote:
>On Apr 8, 8:14=A0pm, Mike Schumann
>wrote:
>> On 4/8/2011 7:34 PM, Darryl Ramm wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 8, 4:10 pm, jsbrake =A0wrote:
>> >>>> Its possible to root hack the Nook now and run Android 2.2 (and
>mayb=
>e
>> >>>> 3.0) on it and should be able to install the current XCSoar
Android
>> >>>> software and see if it works. I believe there is supposed to be
an
>> >>>> official upgrade to Android 2.2 coming for the Nook which should
>mak=
>e
>> >>>> this easier. Anybody tried XCSoar on the Nook?
>>
>> >> Perhaps a foolish question, but since the Nook Color doesn't have
a
>> >> GPS, how are you thinking of getting the GPS signal? =A0I found
that
>> >> there's an app called tetherGPS, but that uses an Android
smartphone
>> >> to transmit over wi-fi to the Nook. =A0Is there a way to feed the
GPS
>> >> directly into the nook from another GPS source? =A0Could it,
somehow,
>=
>be
>> >> connected to a PowerFLARM?
>>
>> > The Color Nook has Bluetooth hardware and enabling that and the
>> > required SPP (serial over Bluetooth) is just a matter of software.
If
>> > that support is not in the common Android 2.2 root hack then it
_may_
>> > be in the official Android 2.2 update that is supposedly coming to
the
>> > Color Nook. Once you have BT SSP support in the operating system the
>> > rest should be easy. And ideally applications that know how to use
>> > this (like XCSoar) should in principle just work. Once you have
>> > Bluetooth you can go out to those low cost Bluetooth GPS receivers
or
>> > via a Bluetooth adapter (like the K6-BT) to a PowerFLARM etc. Of
>> > course my hand waving and seeing it all work are two different
things.
>>
>> > BTW another nook root hack resource for the color Nook is
>> >http://nookdevs.com/Portal:NookColor
>>
>> > I just ordered a iPad 2 but the inner geek in me is thinking of
>> > getting a Moto Xoom as well since I want to play more with Android.
>>
>> > Darryl
>>
>> The Nook Color also has a USB interface, which might be another way to
>> connect the required GPS receiver.
>>
>> --
>> Mike Schumann
>
>The Color Nook as shipped is USB client only but it apparently has
>chipset support for Bluetooth On-The-Go (i.e. client/host switching).
>I don't think this is working yet with any of the root hacked Android
>versions. But if the BT OTG support is really there then yes this is a
>possibility. If its client only then it won't work. Still the first
>step now would be for somebody to just try out XCSoar on Android 2.2
>on this platform, you don't need a physical GPS to do a test.
>
>Darryl


No inner geek here, but I did download XCsoar and custom map for my Droid
X which is running 2.2 Android and it seems to run fine. I haven't done
any flying with it yet (I have a SN10 in the glider) because I don't have
any way of mounting or powering it. The droid really eats batteries :)

CH
>

[Tuno]

Cliff:

I have a ram air turbine you can use to power your Droid. I'll put it
on your glider this weekend!

tuN7o

[Cliff Hilty[_2_]]

At 23:00 12 April 2011, Tuno wrote:
>Cliff:
>
>I have a ram air turbine you can use to power your Droid. I'll put it
>on your glider this weekend!
>
>tuN7o
>

Not wanting to hijack the thread, but I want a small air turbine that will
fit into the scoop vent in the window that would supply charging power to
my batteries. As much 100+ knot flying and outside temps in the 100+ that
we have out here I could have a surplus and never need to charge my
batteries :)

How about it Bumper, Do I see a high tech Quiet Vent 6 out there?

CH

[bildan]

On Apr 13, 9:51*am, Cliff Hilty
> wrote:
> At 23:00 12 April 2011, Tuno wrote:
>
> >Cliff:
>
> >I have a ram air turbine you can use to power your Droid. I'll put it
> >on your glider this weekend!
>
> >tuN7o
>
> Not wanting to hijack the thread, but I want a small air turbine that will
> fit into the scoop vent in the window that would supply charging power to
> my batteries. As much 100+ knot flying and outside temps in the 100+ that
> we have out here I could have a surplus and never need to charge my
> batteries :)
>
> How about it Bumper, Do I see a high tech Quiet Vent 6 out there?
>
> CH

Better idea: Piezoelectric materials to generate power from wing
flexing or a Faraday device like this: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:M2E_Power

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

On 4/13/2011 8:51 AM, Cliff Hilty wrote:
> At 23:00 12 April 2011, Tuno wrote:
>> Cliff:
>>
>> I have a ram air turbine you can use to power your Droid. I'll put it
>> on your glider this weekend!
>>
>> tuN7o
>>
>
> Not wanting to hijack the thread, but I want a small air turbine that will
> fit into the scoop vent in the window that would supply charging power to
> my batteries. As much 100+ knot flying and outside temps in the 100+ that
> we have out here I could have a surplus and never need to charge my
> batteries :)
>
> How about it Bumper, Do I see a high tech Quiet Vent 6 out there?

That's a silly idea, because it adds drag and would ruin the L/D;
instead, connect the generator to the rudder pedals. The way I fan my
rudder, that would run a radio, vario, GPS, ClearNav, transponder, MRX,
and more. :^]

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Feb/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://tinyurl.com/yb3xywl

[Mike Schumann]

On 4/13/2011 2:22 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> On 4/13/2011 8:51 AM, Cliff Hilty wrote:
>> At 23:00 12 April 2011, Tuno wrote:
>>> Cliff:
>>>
>>> I have a ram air turbine you can use to power your Droid. I'll put it
>>> on your glider this weekend!
>>>
>>> tuN7o
>>>
>>
>> Not wanting to hijack the thread, but I want a small air turbine that
>> will
>> fit into the scoop vent in the window that would supply charging power to
>> my batteries. As much 100+ knot flying and outside temps in the 100+ that
>> we have out here I could have a surplus and never need to charge my
>> batteries :)
>>
>> How about it Bumper, Do I see a high tech Quiet Vent 6 out there?
>
> That's a silly idea, because it adds drag and would ruin the L/D;
> instead, connect the generator to the rudder pedals. The way I fan my
> rudder, that would run a radio, vario, GPS, ClearNav, transponder, MRX,
> and more. :^]
>
If you fanned the rudder hard enough, it could replace the need for an
auxiliary engine!

--
Mike Schumann

[Cliff Hilty[_2_]]

At 18:42 13 April 2011, Mike Schumann wrote:
>On 4/13/2011 2:22 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>> On 4/13/2011 8:51 AM, Cliff Hilty wrote:
>>> At 23:00 12 April 2011, Tuno wrote:
>>>> Cliff:
>>>>
>>>> I have a ram air turbine you can use to power your Droid. I'll put
it
>>>> on your glider this weekend!
>>>>
>>>> tuN7o
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not wanting to hijack the thread, but I want a small air turbine that
>>> will
>>> fit into the scoop vent in the window that would supply charging
power
>to
>>> my batteries. As much 100+ knot flying and outside temps in the 100+
>that
>>> we have out here I could have a surplus and never need to charge my
>>> batteries :)
>>>
>>> How about it Bumper, Do I see a high tech Quiet Vent 6 out there?
>>
>> That's a silly idea, because it adds drag and would ruin the L/D;
>> instead, connect the generator to the rudder pedals. The way I fan my
>> rudder, that would run a radio, vario, GPS, ClearNav, transponder,
MRX,
>> and more. :^]
>>
>If you fanned the rudder hard enough, it could replace the need for an
>auxiliary engine!
>
>--
>Mike Schumann

Have you guys been watching me fly :) My nickname is salmon!
CH