Foka 4 fatal crash

[James Thomson]

The UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (http://www.aaib.gov.uk) have
published their report on the fatal crash last year of a SZD Foka 4. The
report is included in the May 2011 bulletin.

The report confirms that the cause was a mis-rig, specifically the
incomplete engagement of the expanding rigging bolt.

[Berry[_2_]]

In article >,
James Thomson > wrote:

> The UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (http://www.aaib.gov.uk)
> havepublished their report on the fatal crash last year of a SZD Foka 4.
> Thereport is included in the May 2011 bulletin.
>
> The report confirms that the cause was a mis-rig, specifically theincomplete
> engagement of the expanding rigging bolt.

Same type of Foka accident a couple of years ago here in Alabama, U.S.

Be careful assembling those Fokas!

[Ramy]

On May 16, 11:17*am, Berry > wrote:
> In article >,
> *James Thomson > wrote:
>
> > The UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (http://www.aaib.gov.uk)
> > havepublished their report on the fatal crash last year of a SZD Foka 4.. *
> > Thereport is included in the May 2011 bulletin.
>
> > The report confirms that the cause was a mis-rig, specifically theincomplete
> > engagement of the expanding rigging bolt.
>
> Same type of Foka accident a couple of years ago here in Alabama, U.S.
>
> Be careful assembling those Fokas!

This makes it even more tragic as it could have been easily avoided!
I've seen aircrafts grounded for silly reasons such as papework,
certifications etc. Isn't a fatal accident caused by a potential
aircraft flaw warrants a reaction?? Shouldn't there been at least an
AD, bullettin or some kind of warning so other owners and future
owners will be aware of it? Do we know if the person who rigged this
aircraft was aware of this potential fatal problem?

Ramy

[Tony[_5_]]

> This makes it even more tragic as it could have been easily avoided!
> I've seen aircrafts grounded for silly reasons such as papework,
> certifications etc. Isn't a fatal accident caused by a potential
> aircraft flaw warrants a reaction?? Shouldn't there been at least an
> AD, bullettin or some kind of warning so other owners and future
> owners will be aware of it? Do we know if the person who rigged this
> aircraft was aware of this potential fatal problem?
>
> Ramy

from reading the accident report (which by the way is incredibly
detailed and complete) it sounds like the people who rigged the glider
were hardly aware of how to rig the glider. very unfortunate
accident.

It's too bad that the accident reports in the US are not as complete
and detailed. I really liked the background information and photos in
this one.

[Al Eddie[_2_]]

At 20:22 16 May 2011, Ramy wrote:

>This makes it even more tragic as it could have been easily avoided!
>I've seen aircrafts grounded for silly reasons such as papework,
>certifications etc. Isn't a fatal accident caused by a potential
>aircraft flaw warrants a reaction?? Shouldn't there been at least an
>AD, bullettin or some kind of warning so other owners and future
>owners will be aware of it? Do we know if the person who rigged this
>aircraft was aware of this potential fatal problem?
>
>Ramy
>

Yes there has been - RTFM...!

[John Smith]

Al Eddie wrote:
>> Do we know if the person who rigged this
>> aircraft was aware of this potential fatal problem?

> Yes there has been - RTFM...!

Let me guess: You haven't read the accident report, have you?

[Ramy]

On May 16, 5:21*pm, Al Eddie > wrote:
> At 20:22 16 May 2011, Ramy wrote:
>
> >This makes it even more tragic as it could have been easily avoided!
> >I've seen aircrafts grounded for silly reasons such as papework,
> >certifications etc. Isn't a fatal accident caused by a potential
> >aircraft flaw warrants a reaction?? Shouldn't there been at least an
> >AD, bullettin or some kind of warning so other owners and future
> >owners will be aware of it? Do we know if the person who rigged this
> >aircraft was aware of this potential fatal problem?
>
> >Ramy
>
> Yes there has been - RTFM...!

Agree, a direct link to the report would have been more helpful...

[shkdriver]

;771529']In article ,
James Thomson wrote:

The UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (http://www.aaib.gov.uk)
havepublished their report on the fatal crash last year of a SZD Foka 4.
Thereport is included in the May 2011 bulletin.

The report confirms that the cause was a mis-rig, specifically theincomplete
engagement of the expanding rigging bolt.

Same type of Foka accident a couple of years ago here in Alabama, U.S.

Be careful assembling those Fokas!

Schempp-hirth's Standard Austrias, SH1, and SHKs also use a similar system
Lets all avoid these kinds of accidents!
Scott W.

[Steve Leonard[_2_]]

Remember the Caproni accident in Texas a few years ago? Right wing
folded on takeoff.

http://dms.ntsb.gov/aviation/AccidentReports/3c5xge34zu1evjzeuop5z555/C05172011120000.pdf

Similar wing attach system for securing the outer panels to the center
section. Know your equipment.

Steve Leonard

[Paul[_8_]]

On 17/05/2011 01:34, Ramy wrote:
> On May 16, 5:21 pm, Al > wrote:
>> At 20:22 16 May 2011, Ramy wrote:
>>
>>> This makes it even more tragic as it could have been easily avoided!
>>> I've seen aircrafts grounded for silly reasons such as papework,
>>> certifications etc. Isn't a fatal accident caused by a potential
>>> aircraft flaw warrants a reaction?? Shouldn't there been at least an
>>> AD, bullettin or some kind of warning so other owners and future
>>> owners will be aware of it? Do we know if the person who rigged this
>>> aircraft was aware of this potential fatal problem?
>>
>>> Ramy
>>
>> Yes there has been - RTFM...!
>
> Agree, a direct link to the report would have been more helpful...

Short Link: http://preview.tinyurl.com/6hdztyz

[CLewis95]

On May 17, 3:12*am, Paul > wrote:
> On 17/05/2011 01:34, Ramy wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 16, 5:21 pm, Al > *wrote:
> >> At 20:22 16 May 2011, Ramy wrote:
>
> >>> This makes it even more tragic as it could have been easily avoided!
> >>> I've seen aircrafts grounded for silly reasons such as papework,
> >>> certifications etc. Isn't a fatal accident caused by a potential
> >>> aircraft flaw warrants a reaction?? Shouldn't there been at least an
> >>> AD, bullettin or some kind of warning so other owners and future
> >>> owners will be aware of it? Do we know if the person who rigged this
> >>> aircraft was aware of this potential fatal problem?
>
> >>> Ramy
>
> >> Yes there has been - RTFM...!
>
> > Agree, a direct link to the report would have been more helpful...
>
> Short Link:http://preview.tinyurl.com/6hdztyz- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

The detail, thoroughness and general writing quality of this report is
absolutely amazing... very impressive.

Curt - 95

[Berry[_2_]]

In article >,
Berry > wrote:

> In article >,
> James Thomson > wrote:
>
> > The UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (http://www.aaib.gov.uk)
> > havepublished their report on the fatal crash last year of a SZD Foka 4.
> > Thereport is included in the May 2011 bulletin.
> >
> > The report confirms that the cause was a mis-rig, specifically
> > theincomplete
> > engagement of the expanding rigging bolt.
>
> Same type of Foka accident a couple of years ago here in Alabama, U.S.
>
> Be careful assembling those Fokas!


Our gliders with the more common interdigitating spars are not
completely immune to similar improper attachment of the wings. I once
saw an LS-3 land at Cordele with the wings mis-attached and loose enough
to rattle. A main wing pin was not fully engaged through the rear spar
hole. The pilot reported a loud knocking noise on tow, released and very
gingerly returned to land safely. He was quite shaken and I never saw
him fly again.

[Papa3]

On May 17, 9:53*am, CLewis95 > wrote:
> On May 17, 3:12*am, Paul > wrote:
>
>
>
>
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> > On 17/05/2011 01:34, Ramy wrote:
>
> > > On May 16, 5:21 pm, Al > *wrote:
> > >> At 20:22 16 May 2011, Ramy wrote:
>
> > >>> This makes it even more tragic as it could have been easily avoided!
> > >>> I've seen aircrafts grounded for silly reasons such as papework,
> > >>> certifications etc. Isn't a fatal accident caused by a potential
> > >>> aircraft flaw warrants a reaction?? Shouldn't there been at least an
> > >>> AD, bullettin or some kind of warning so other owners and future
> > >>> owners will be aware of it? Do we know if the person who rigged this
> > >>> aircraft was aware of this potential fatal problem?
>
> > >>> Ramy
>
> > >> Yes there has been - RTFM...!
>
> > > Agree, a direct link to the report would have been more helpful...
>
> > Short Link:http://preview.tinyurl.com/6hdztyz-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The detail, thoroughness and general writing quality of this report is
> absolutely amazing... very impressive.
>
> Curt - 95- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yup. Puts the FAA report on the Alabama crash to shame.