GPS Testing?

[ZL]

Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
18-meter Nationals.

I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us know.

This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
some GPS anti-jamming equipment?

-Dave

[Tim[_2_]]

On May 20, 8:46*pm, ZL > wrote:
> Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
> Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
> shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
> testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
> Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
> down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
> 18-meter Nationals.
>
> I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
> level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
> advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us know.
>
> This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
> Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
> some GPS anti-jamming equipment?
>
> -Dave

Just got notice of this as well. As organizers of the Moriarty Contest
we would appreciate anyone's input on this potential issue.

Tim "EY" and Susan "EY Ground"

[ContestID67[_2_]]

I don't have any answers but here are the details.

http://download.aopa.org/epilot/2011/110520new_mexico.pdf

FLIGHT ADVISORY
GPS Testing
WSMR 11-08
May 23, 2011 – July 1, 2011
Truth Or Consequences, NM
GPS testing is scheduled as follows and may result in unreliable or
unavailable GPS signal.
A. Location: Centered at 323652N/1061722W or the BWS VOR 230.5 degree
radial at
19NM.
B. Dates and times:
23 MAY 1900-2300Z
24 MAY 1900-2300Z
25 MAY 0200-0645Z 1900-2300Z
26 MAY 0200-0645Z 1900-2300Z
27 MAY 0200-0645Z
30 MAY 1900-2300Z
31 MAY 1900-2300Z
01 JUN 0701-1200Z 1900-2300Z
02 JUN 0701-1200Z 1900-2300Z
03 JUN 0701-1200Z
06 JUN 1900-2300Z
07 JUN 1900-2300Z
08 JUN 0200-0700Z 1900-2300Z
09 JUN 0200-1200Z 1900-2300Z
10 JUN 0200-0700Z
13 JUN 1900-2300Z
14 JUN 0200-1200Z 1900-2300Z
15 JUN 0701-1200Z 1900-2300Z
16 JUN 0701-1200Z 1900-2300Z
17 JUN 0701-1200Z
20 JUN 1900-2300Z
21 JUN 1900-2300Z
22 JUN 0200-0700Z 1900-2300Z
23 JUN 0200-0700Z 1900-2300Z
24 JUN 0701-1200Z
27 JUN 1900-2300Z
Released
May 20, 2011
28 JUN 1900-2300Z
29 JUN 0701-1200Z 1900-2300Z
30 JUN 0701-1200Z 1900-2300Z
01 JUL 0200-1200Z
C. Duration: Events could last up to 10 hours with continuous
emissions.
D. During testing, the GPS signal may be unreliable or unavailable
within a 320NMR centered
at 323652N/1061722W or the BWS VOR 230.5 degree radial at 19 NM at
FL400 and
above, decreasing in area with decrease in altitude to 265NMR at
FL250, 185NMR at
10,000 FT MSL, 190NMR at 4,000 FT AGL and 155NMR at 50 FT AGL.
E. Pilots are strongly encouraged to report anomalies during testing
to the appropriate
ARTCC to assist in the determination of the extent of GPS degradation
during tests.
The NOTAMs discussed in this advisory may change with little or no
notice. Pilots are
advised to check NOTAMs frequently for possible changes prior to
operations in the
area. NOTAMs will be published at least 24 hours in advance of any GPS
tests.

[[email protected]]

On 5/20/2011 9:46 PM, ZL wrote:
> I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
> level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
> advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us know.

There are numerous news stories, that would indicate the NOTAM refers to
testing for the FCC certification of Lightspeed's use of an adjacent
frequency spectrum, to one of the GPS signal frequencies, for a
nationwide 4G broadband network.
http://www.insidegnss.com/node/2589
Lightspeed's final FCC license approval is contingent upon proving that
their broadband signal will not interfere with GPS signals.
Tests, prior to the current NOTAM, have indicated there is some level of
interference.

[Tim[_2_]]

On May 21, 6:49*am, wrote:
> On 5/20/2011 9:46 PM, ZL wrote:
>
> > I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
> > level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
> > advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us know.
>
> There are numerous news stories, that would indicate the NOTAM refers to
> testing for the FCC certification of Lightspeed's use of an adjacent
> frequency spectrum, to one of the GPS signal frequencies, for a
> nationwide 4G broadband network.http://www.insidegnss.com/node/2589
> Lightspeed's final FCC license approval is contingent upon proving that
> their broadband signal will not interfere with GPS signals.
> Tests, prior to the current NOTAM, have indicated there is some level of
> interference.


Thanks for the info. I wondered if this NOTAM had anything to do with
this Lightspeed mess.
Tim "EY"

[Dan Marotta]

OMG, Dave, you might have to buy a sectional chart!

Not really - you can see everything from everywhere down here.


"ZL" > wrote in message
...
> Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
> Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
> shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
> testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
> Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
> down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
> 18-meter Nationals.
>
> I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
> level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
> advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us
> know.
>
> This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
> Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
> some GPS anti-jamming equipment?
>
> -Dave
>

[Mike[_8_]]

On May 21, 9:56*am, "Dan Marotta" > wrote:
> OMG, Dave, you might have to buy a sectional chart!
>
> Not really - you can see everything from everywhere down here.
>
> "ZL" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
> > Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
> > shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
> > testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
> > Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
> > down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
> > 18-meter Nationals.
>
> > I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
> > level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
> > advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us
> > know.
>
> > This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
> > Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
> > some GPS anti-jamming equipment?
>
> > -Dave- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Dan,

You may be able to see everything, but there may not be any flight
logs to submit for the contest.

This is potentially a serious problem for the Moriarty contest, and
the effected locations for OLC submissions.

Mike

[Dan Marotta]

Dust off those cameras... Or use an honor system.


"Mike" > wrote in message
...
On May 21, 9:56 am, "Dan Marotta" > wrote:
> OMG, Dave, you might have to buy a sectional chart!
>
> Not really - you can see everything from everywhere down here.
>
> "ZL" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
> > Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
> > shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
> > testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
> > Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
> > down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
> > 18-meter Nationals.
>
> > I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
> > level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
> > advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us
> > know.
>
> > This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
> > Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
> > some GPS anti-jamming equipment?
>
> > -Dave- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Dan,

You may be able to see everything, but there may not be any flight
logs to submit for the contest.

This is potentially a serious problem for the Moriarty contest, and
the effected locations for OLC submissions.

Mike

[bildan]

On May 21, 6:21*pm, "Dan Marotta" > wrote:
> Dust off those cameras... *Or use an honor system.
>
> "Mike" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On May 21, 9:56 am, "Dan Marotta" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > OMG, Dave, you might have to buy a sectional chart!
>
> > Not really - you can see everything from everywhere down here.
>
> > "ZL" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > > Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
> > > Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
> > > shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
> > > testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
> > > Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
> > > down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
> > > 18-meter Nationals.
>
> > > I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
> > > level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
> > > advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us
> > > know.
>
> > > This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
> > > Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
> > > some GPS anti-jamming equipment?
>
> > > -Dave- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Dan,
>
> You may be able to see everything, but there may not be any flight
> logs to submit for the contest.
>
> This is potentially a serious problem for the Moriarty contest, and
> the effected locations for OLC submissions.
>
> Mike

Hey, so maybe the Luddites get their day in the sun. We need a Plan B
for GPS outages.

Just have to figure out how to use digital cameras like old film types
which are hopelessly obsolete. At least there won't be a sleepy
looking guy who smells like darkroom chemicals at breakfast the next
day.

Or, if that's too much tech, the contest organizers can send crews out
to the turn points to lay out white panels in a pattern that changes
every 15 minutes. The pilots would just have to write down the time
and the pattern they saw (with a #2 pencil, of course) to prove they
rounded a turn point. The organizers would also have to find an old
timer who remembers how to run a start gate and finish line.

Since a number of pilots will get lost and land out without their GPS,
there will be something for the crews to do again - maybe with the
Beatles and Elvis on the car radio.

Bill D

[Richard[_9_]]

On May 20, 7:02*pm, Tim > wrote:
> On May 20, 8:46*pm, ZL > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
> > Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
> > shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
> > testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
> > Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
> > down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
> > 18-meter Nationals.
>
> > I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
> > level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
> > advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us know.
>
> > This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
> > Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
> > some GPS anti-jamming equipment?
>
> > -Dave
>
> Just got notice of this as well. As organizers of the Moriarty Contest
> we would appreciate anyone's input on this potential issue.
>
> Tim "EY" and Susan "EY Ground"- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Tim,

Light Squared is conjecture at this time. No definitive description
of the testing has been defined anywhere that I can find.

As a contest orginizer you really need to find out who is testing
what? Then maybe we can make a determination on the effects of the
testing.

A contest where the GPS system would be unreliable or nonexistent
would be a waste of time and a lot of driving for nothing.


Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[Mike[_8_]]

On May 21, 10:36*pm, Richard > wrote:
> On May 20, 7:02*pm, Tim > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 20, 8:46*pm, ZL > wrote:
>
> > > Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
> > > Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
> > > shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
> > > testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
> > > Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
> > > down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
> > > 18-meter Nationals.
>
> > > I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
> > > level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
> > > advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us know.
>
> > > This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
> > > Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
> > > some GPS anti-jamming equipment?
>
> > > -Dave
>
> > Just got notice of this as well. As organizers of the Moriarty Contest
> > we would appreciate anyone's input on this potential issue.
>
> > Tim "EY" and Susan "EY Ground"- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Tim,
>
> Light Squared is conjecture at this time. *No definitive description
> of the testing has been defined anywhere that I can find.
>
> As a contest orginizer you really need to find out who is testing
> what? * Then maybe we can make a determination on the effects of the
> testing.
>
> A contest where the GPS system would be unreliable or nonexistent
> would be a waste of time and a lot of driving for nothing.
>
> Richardwww.craggyaero.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Albuquerque Soaring is looking into this and will soon have an idea of
how to proceed or not.

[Tim[_2_]]

On May 21, 11:36*pm, Richard > wrote:
> On May 20, 7:02*pm, Tim > wrote:

Absolutely Richard. Let's see what we can learn/divine so we can see
waht to do. EY

[Matt Herron Jr.]

On May 21, 9:36*pm, Richard > wrote:
> On May 20, 7:02*pm, Tim > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 20, 8:46*pm, ZL > wrote:
>
> > > Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
> > > Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
> > > shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
> > > testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
> > > Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
> > > down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
> > > 18-meter Nationals.
>
> > > I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
> > > level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
> > > advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us know.
>
> > > This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
> > > Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
> > > some GPS anti-jamming equipment?
>
> > > -Dave
>
> > Just got notice of this as well. As organizers of the Moriarty Contest
> > we would appreciate anyone's input on this potential issue.
>
> > Tim "EY" and Susan "EY Ground"- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Tim,
>
> Light Squared is conjecture at this time. *No definitive description
> of the testing has been defined anywhere that I can find.
>
> As a contest orginizer you really need to find out who is testing
> what? * Then maybe we can make a determination on the effects of the
> testing.
>
> A contest where the GPS system would be unreliable or nonexistent
> would be a waste of time and a lot of driving for nothing.
>
> Richardwww.craggyaero.com

This seems pretty clear that it is related to LightSquare testing.
direct to my inbox from FAA:

FAA Safety Team | Safer Skies Through Education
LIGHT ADVISORY LightSquare Testing May 16, 2011 – May 27, 2011 Boulder
City, NV
Notice Number: NOTC2978

FLIGHT ADVISORY

LightSquared Testing at BVU
May 16, 2011 – May 27, 2011 Boulder City, NV
LightSquare (mobile broadband service) testing is scheduled as follows
and may result in unreliable or unavailable GPS signal.

More information can be downloaded from the link below.

https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2011/May/Light_Square_-BVU_Flight_Advisory.pdf

[Richard[_9_]]

On May 22, 2:48*pm, "Matt Herron Jr." > wrote:
> On May 21, 9:36*pm, Richard > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 20, 7:02*pm, Tim > wrote:
>
> > > On May 20, 8:46*pm, ZL > wrote:
>
> > > > Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
> > > > Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
> > > > shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
> > > > testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
> > > > Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
> > > > down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
> > > > 18-meter Nationals.
>
> > > > I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
> > > > level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
> > > > advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us know.
>
> > > > This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
> > > > Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
> > > > some GPS anti-jamming equipment?
>
> > > > -Dave
>
> > > Just got notice of this as well. As organizers of the Moriarty Contest
> > > we would appreciate anyone's input on this potential issue.
>
> > > Tim "EY" and Susan "EY Ground"- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Tim,
>
> > Light Squared is conjecture at this time. *No definitive description
> > of the testing has been defined anywhere that I can find.
>
> > As a contest orginizer you really need to find out who is testing
> > what? * Then maybe we can make a determination on the effects of the
> > testing.
>
> > A contest where the GPS system would be unreliable or nonexistent
> > would be a waste of time and a lot of driving for nothing.
>
> > Richardwww.craggyaero.com
>
> This seems pretty clear that it is related to LightSquare testing.
> direct to my inbox from FAA:
>
> FAA Safety Team | Safer Skies Through Education
> LIGHT ADVISORY LightSquare Testing May 16, 2011 – May 27, 2011 Boulder
> City, NV
> Notice Number: NOTC2978
>
> FLIGHT ADVISORY
>
> LightSquared Testing at BVU
> May 16, 2011 – May 27, 2011 Boulder City, NV
> LightSquare (mobile broadband service) testing is scheduled as follows
> and may result in unreliable or unavailable GPS signal.
>
> More information can be downloaded from the link below.
>
> https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2011/May/Light_Square_-BVU_Fl...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Matt,

I am not sure why you think this is the same as the Flight Advisory
GPS Testing WSMR 11-08 . It is a different Advisory, different
location and different Dates. The advisory we are concerned with does
not say LightSquared Testing. It says GPS Testing WSRM 11-09 (White
Sands Missile Range)


Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[ray conlon]

On May 22, 9:11*pm, Richard > wrote:
> On May 22, 2:48*pm, "Matt Herron Jr." > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 21, 9:36*pm, Richard > wrote:
>
> > > On May 20, 7:02*pm, Tim > wrote:
>
> > > > On May 20, 8:46*pm, ZL > wrote:
>
> > > > > Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
> > > > > Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
> > > > > shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
> > > > > testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
> > > > > Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
> > > > > down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
> > > > > 18-meter Nationals.
>
> > > > > I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
> > > > > level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
> > > > > advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us know.
>
> > > > > This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
> > > > > Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
> > > > > some GPS anti-jamming equipment?
>
> > > > > -Dave
>
> > > > Just got notice of this as well. As organizers of the Moriarty Contest
> > > > we would appreciate anyone's input on this potential issue.
>
> > > > Tim "EY" and Susan "EY Ground"- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Tim,
>
> > > Light Squared is conjecture at this time. *No definitive description
> > > of the testing has been defined anywhere that I can find.
>
> > > As a contest orginizer you really need to find out who is testing
> > > what? * Then maybe we can make a determination on the effects of the
> > > testing.
>
> > > A contest where the GPS system would be unreliable or nonexistent
> > > would be a waste of time and a lot of driving for nothing.
>
> > > Richardwww.craggyaero.com
>
> > This seems pretty clear that it is related to LightSquare testing.
> > direct to my inbox from FAA:
>
> > FAA Safety Team | Safer Skies Through Education
> > LIGHT ADVISORY LightSquare Testing May 16, 2011 – May 27, 2011 Boulder
> > City, NV
> > Notice Number: NOTC2978
>
> > FLIGHT ADVISORY
>
> > LightSquared Testing at BVU
> > May 16, 2011 – May 27, 2011 Boulder City, NV
> > LightSquare (mobile broadband service) testing is scheduled as follows
> > and may result in unreliable or unavailable GPS signal.
>
> > More information can be downloaded from the link below.
>
> >https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2011/May/Light_Square_-BVU_Fl...Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Matt,
>
> I am not sure why you think this is the same as the Flight Advisory
> GPS Testing WSMR 11-08 . * It is a different Advisory, different
> location and different Dates. *The advisory we are concerned with does
> not say LightSquared Testing. *It says GPS Testing WSRM 11-09 (White
> Sands Missile Range)
>
> Richardwww.craggyaero.com

Has anyone heard about the GPS jamming devices being used by truckers
to jamb the tracking systems the trucking companies have installed on
their trucks? Seems like the drivers are buying these and using them
to hide where they are, how long they stop, and how fast they drive.
Of course having/using them is illegal , but radar detectors have been
illegal for years in several states, and that never stopped them.
They are playing hell with the GPS Nav and approach systems.
Don't get rid of your VOR/ILS systems for power planes just yet....

[jim archer]

On May 22, 8:33*pm, ray conlon > wrote:
> On May 22, 9:11*pm, Richard > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 22, 2:48*pm, "Matt Herron Jr." > wrote:
>
> > > On May 21, 9:36*pm, Richard > wrote:
>
> > > > On May 20, 7:02*pm, Tim > wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 20, 8:46*pm, ZL > wrote:
>
> > > > > > Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
> > > > > > Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
> > > > > > shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
> > > > > > testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
> > > > > > Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
> > > > > > down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
> > > > > > 18-meter Nationals.
>
> > > > > > I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
> > > > > > level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
> > > > > > advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us know.
>
> > > > > > This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
> > > > > > Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
> > > > > > some GPS anti-jamming equipment?
>
> > > > > > -Dave
>
> > > > > Just got notice of this as well. As organizers of the Moriarty Contest
> > > > > we would appreciate anyone's input on this potential issue.
>
> > > > > Tim "EY" and Susan "EY Ground"- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Tim,
>
> > > > Light Squared is conjecture at this time. *No definitive description
> > > > of the testing has been defined anywhere that I can find.
>
> > > > As a contest orginizer you really need to find out who is testing
> > > > what? * Then maybe we can make a determination on the effects of the
> > > > testing.
>
> > > > A contest where the GPS system would be unreliable or nonexistent
> > > > would be a waste of time and a lot of driving for nothing.
>
> > > > Richardwww.craggyaero.com
>
> > > This seems pretty clear that it is related to LightSquare testing.
> > > direct to my inbox from FAA:
>
> > > FAA Safety Team | Safer Skies Through Education
> > > LIGHT ADVISORY LightSquare Testing May 16, 2011 – May 27, 2011 Boulder
> > > City, NV
> > > Notice Number: NOTC2978
>
> > > FLIGHT ADVISORY
>
> > > LightSquared Testing at BVU
> > > May 16, 2011 – May 27, 2011 Boulder City, NV
> > > LightSquare (mobile broadband service) testing is scheduled as follows
> > > and may result in unreliable or unavailable GPS signal.
>
> > > More information can be downloaded from the link below.
>
> > >https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2011/May/Light_Square_-BVU_Fl....quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Matt,
>
> > I am not sure why you think this is the same as the Flight Advisory
> > GPS Testing WSMR 11-08 . * It is a different Advisory, different
> > location and different Dates. *The advisory we are concerned with does
> > not say LightSquared Testing. *It says GPS Testing WSRM 11-09 (White
> > Sands Missile Range)
>
> > Richardwww.craggyaero.com
>
> Has anyone heard about the GPS jamming devices being used by truckers
> to jamb the tracking systems the trucking companies have installed on
> their trucks? *Seems like the drivers are buying these and using them
> to hide where they are, how long they stop, and how fast they drive.
> Of course having/using them is illegal , but radar detectors have been
> illegal for years in several states, and that never stopped them.
> They are playing hell with the GPS Nav and approach systems.
> Don't get rid of your VOR/ILS systems for power planes just yet....- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

"They are playing hell with the GPS Nav and approach systems" ...?

That might be an exaggeration? I use GPS every single day during
daylight hours, have done this in all parts of the US at one time or
another for many years now, and have not had an issue. Could you
futher explain or provide some facts or anecdotes supporting this?

Thanks for the original post. I left the Roswell, NM area just in
time to avoid potential complications from this testing.

[ray conlon]

On May 23, 11:08*am, jim archer > wrote:
> On May 22, 8:33*pm, ray conlon > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 22, 9:11*pm, Richard > wrote:
>
> > > On May 22, 2:48*pm, "Matt Herron Jr." > wrote:
>
> > > > On May 21, 9:36*pm, Richard > wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 20, 7:02*pm, Tim > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 20, 8:46*pm, ZL > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
> > > > > > > Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
> > > > > > > shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
> > > > > > > testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
> > > > > > > Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
> > > > > > > down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
> > > > > > > 18-meter Nationals.
>
> > > > > > > I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
> > > > > > > level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
> > > > > > > advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us know.
>
> > > > > > > This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
> > > > > > > Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
> > > > > > > some GPS anti-jamming equipment?
>
> > > > > > > -Dave
>
> > > > > > Just got notice of this as well. As organizers of the Moriarty Contest
> > > > > > we would appreciate anyone's input on this potential issue.
>
> > > > > > Tim "EY" and Susan "EY Ground"- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > Tim,
>
> > > > > Light Squared is conjecture at this time. *No definitive description
> > > > > of the testing has been defined anywhere that I can find.
>
> > > > > As a contest orginizer you really need to find out who is testing
> > > > > what? * Then maybe we can make a determination on the effects of the
> > > > > testing.
>
> > > > > A contest where the GPS system would be unreliable or nonexistent
> > > > > would be a waste of time and a lot of driving for nothing.
>
> > > > > Richardwww.craggyaero.com
>
> > > > This seems pretty clear that it is related to LightSquare testing.
> > > > direct to my inbox from FAA:
>
> > > > FAA Safety Team | Safer Skies Through Education
> > > > LIGHT ADVISORY LightSquare Testing May 16, 2011 – May 27, 2011 Boulder
> > > > City, NV
> > > > Notice Number: NOTC2978
>
> > > > FLIGHT ADVISORY
>
> > > > LightSquared Testing at BVU
> > > > May 16, 2011 – May 27, 2011 Boulder City, NV
> > > > LightSquare (mobile broadband service) testing is scheduled as follows
> > > > and may result in unreliable or unavailable GPS signal.
>
> > > > More information can be downloaded from the link below.
>
> > > >https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2011/May/Light_Square_-BVU_Fl...text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Matt,
>
> > > I am not sure why you think this is the same as the Flight Advisory
> > > GPS Testing WSMR 11-08 . * It is a different Advisory, different
> > > location and different Dates. *The advisory we are concerned with does
> > > not say LightSquared Testing. *It says GPS Testing WSRM 11-09 (White
> > > Sands Missile Range)
>
> > > Richardwww.craggyaero.com
>
> > Has anyone heard about the GPS jamming devices being used by truckers
> > to jamb the tracking systems the trucking companies have installed on
> > their trucks? *Seems like the drivers are buying these and using them
> > to hide where they are, how long they stop, and how fast they drive.
> > Of course having/using them is illegal , but radar detectors have been
> > illegal for years in several states, and that never stopped them.
> > They are playing hell with the GPS Nav and approach systems.
> > Don't get rid of your VOR/ILS systems for power planes just yet....- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> "They are playing hell with the GPS Nav and approach systems" * ...?
>
> That might be an exaggeration? *I use GPS every single day during
> daylight hours, have done this in all parts of the US at one time or
> another for many years now, and have not had an issue. *Could you
> futher explain or provide some facts or anecdotes supporting this?
>
> Thanks for the original post. *I left the Roswell, NM area just in
> time to avoid potential complications from this testing.

Newark, airport in NJ, has a trucking terminal nearby GPS jamming,
playing hell with the WASS approaches...was the subject of an FAA tech
telcom discussion..and lets not forget the projected solar flare
activity for the next couple of years ...

[ray conlon]

On May 23, 11:19*pm, ray conlon > wrote:
> On May 23, 11:08*am, jim archer > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 22, 8:33*pm, ray conlon > wrote:
>
> > > On May 22, 9:11*pm, Richard > wrote:
>
> > > > On May 22, 2:48*pm, "Matt Herron Jr." > wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 21, 9:36*pm, Richard > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 20, 7:02*pm, Tim > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On May 20, 8:46*pm, ZL > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
> > > > > > > > Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
> > > > > > > > shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
> > > > > > > > testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
> > > > > > > > Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
> > > > > > > > down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
> > > > > > > > 18-meter Nationals.
>
> > > > > > > > I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
> > > > > > > > level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
> > > > > > > > advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us know.
>
> > > > > > > > This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
> > > > > > > > Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
> > > > > > > > some GPS anti-jamming equipment?
>
> > > > > > > > -Dave
>
> > > > > > > Just got notice of this as well. As organizers of the Moriarty Contest
> > > > > > > we would appreciate anyone's input on this potential issue.
>
> > > > > > > Tim "EY" and Susan "EY Ground"- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > Tim,
>
> > > > > > Light Squared is conjecture at this time. *No definitive description
> > > > > > of the testing has been defined anywhere that I can find.
>
> > > > > > As a contest orginizer you really need to find out who is testing
> > > > > > what? * Then maybe we can make a determination on the effects of the
> > > > > > testing.
>
> > > > > > A contest where the GPS system would be unreliable or nonexistent
> > > > > > would be a waste of time and a lot of driving for nothing.
>
> > > > > > Richardwww.craggyaero.com
>
> > > > > This seems pretty clear that it is related to LightSquare testing..
> > > > > direct to my inbox from FAA:
>
> > > > > FAA Safety Team | Safer Skies Through Education
> > > > > LIGHT ADVISORY LightSquare Testing May 16, 2011 – May 27, 2011 Boulder
> > > > > City, NV
> > > > > Notice Number: NOTC2978
>
> > > > > FLIGHT ADVISORY
>
> > > > > LightSquared Testing at BVU
> > > > > May 16, 2011 – May 27, 2011 Boulder City, NV
> > > > > LightSquare (mobile broadband service) testing is scheduled as follows
> > > > > and may result in unreliable or unavailable GPS signal.
>
> > > > > More information can be downloaded from the link below.
>
> > > > >https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2011/May/Light_Square_-BVU_Fl...-
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Matt,
>
> > > > I am not sure why you think this is the same as the Flight Advisory
> > > > GPS Testing WSMR 11-08 . * It is a different Advisory, different
> > > > location and different Dates. *The advisory we are concerned with does
> > > > not say LightSquared Testing. *It says GPS Testing WSRM 11-09 (White
> > > > Sands Missile Range)
>
> > > > Richardwww.craggyaero.com
>
> > > Has anyone heard about the GPS jamming devices being used by truckers
> > > to jamb the tracking systems the trucking companies have installed on
> > > their trucks? *Seems like the drivers are buying these and using them
> > > to hide where they are, how long they stop, and how fast they drive.
> > > Of course having/using them is illegal , but radar detectors have been
> > > illegal for years in several states, and that never stopped them.
> > > They are playing hell with the GPS Nav and approach systems.
> > > Don't get rid of your VOR/ILS systems for power planes just yet....- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > "They are playing hell with the GPS Nav and approach systems" * ...?
>
> > That might be an exaggeration? *I use GPS every single day during
> > daylight hours, have done this in all parts of the US at one time or
> > another for many years now, and have not had an issue. *Could you
> > futher explain or provide some facts or anecdotes supporting this?
>
> > Thanks for the original post. *I left the Roswell, NM area just in
> > time to avoid potential complications from this testing.
>
> Newark, airport in NJ, has a trucking terminal nearby GPS jamming,
> playing hell with the WASS approaches...was the subject of an FAA tech
> telcom discussion..and lets not forget the projected solar flare
> activity for the next couple of years ...

Google it, references in UPI.COM article in March 2011...

[susanmcallister[_2_]]

On May 20, 8:46*pm, ZL > wrote:
> Just got a Flight Advisory from the FAA indicating there will be "GPS
> Testing" at the White Sands Missile Range this summer. Their schedule
> shows dates and times of planned tests. Looks like they are planning
> testing from 1-5 PM local every day but Friday of the upcoming Moriarty
> Super Regional contest. Their swath of possible outages covers Moriarty
> down to 50 ft AGL! It also covers Hobbs down to 50 ft AGL during the US
> 18-meter Nationals.
>
> I don't remember the previous testing NOTAMS showing such widespread low
> level effects. Anyone have any real life experience with this? This
> advisory starts next Monday, so maybe the Albuquerque club can let us know.
>
> This could shut down contests in the area as we have no backup for GPS.
> Should I pack my old cameras for the contest down there? Or maybe rig up
> some GPS anti-jamming equipment?
>
> -Dave

We are on the case and will make a determination about whether to go/
no go/postpone the contest at least one week before the first practice
day (June 4). We are among those driving a long way to get there!

[Tim[_2_]]

Update on GPS Testing Issue:

The request is now in the proper hands at the DOD (Washington, DC) and
has been presented to DOD by the FAA (!). We have been promised a
reply within two days. It is not LightSquared related.

So we should have an answer to when/if the contest is happening
sooner, rather than later. Please Stand By.

EY

[Richard[_9_]]

On May 24, 5:28*pm, Tim > wrote:
> Update on GPS Testing Issue:
>
> The request is now in the proper hands at the DOD (Washington, DC) and
> has been presented to DOD by the FAA (!). *We have been promised a
> reply within two days. It is not LightSquared related.
>
> So we should have an answer to when/if the contest is happening
> sooner, rather than later. Please Stand By.
>
> EY

Tim,

Thanks for the comprehensive approach.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[Bruno[_2_]]

Fingers are crossed! Thanks so much for working on this - really
looking forward to attending this contest!

Bruno - B4

[Frank Whiteley]

Just found this on a list I follow, posted yesterday.

ESF 2 – Telecommunications and Information Technology:

(National) LightSquared cell network knocks out first responders' GPS
in tests. Initial tests of a controversial cellular broadband network
planned by LightSquared showed the company's system knocked out global
positioning system (GPS) receivers used by first responders.
LightSquared of Reston, Virginia, tested its system last month at
Holloman Air Force Base, New Mexico, with the participation of state
police vehicles and county ambulances, both of which experienced
outages from the company's cell tower, according to the director of
the State of New Mexico E911 program. LightSquared operates in the
1525-1559 MHz and 1626.5-1660.5 MHz bands, and the Federal
Communications Commission directed the tests to determine if the
network interfered with GPS systems that operate in the nearby
1559-1610 MHz bands. The director of E911, in a May 11 letter to the
director of the Air Force Global Positioning Directorate said the
results of the April tests, "substantiate concerns that the
LightSquared network will cause interference to GPS signals and
jeopardize 911 and public safety nationwide." LightSquared, the GPS
industry, and numerous federal agencies are conducting tests through
June to determine the extent of interference from the company's system
to GPS receivers. The Federal Aviation Administration said another
test of the LightSquared system started May 23 in Las Vegas, Nevada
and will continue through May 27. FAA warned of potential GPS outages
within 300 miles of the LightSquared tower in Boulder City, Neveda, 25
miles southeast of Las Vegas. The U.S. defense and transportation
departments have serious concerns about the impact LightSquared's
network of 40,000 cell towers will have on GPS receivers. LightSquared
maintains the interference is not caused by its system, but by
sensitive GPS receivers that "see" into the frequency band the network
uses.

Source: http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20110520_9569.php

[Tim[_2_]]

Hooray!

Looks like the Moriarty Super Regional is GO based on the revised
NOTAM found at:

https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2011/May/WSMR_11-09_Flight_Advisory.pdf

If I am reading it right the outage times are now limited to between
either 7PM - 3AM local OR 7PM - 12AM local. Even if I am off on my Z-
time this is pretty much limited to the overnight hours.

This should also free up 18m Nationals from any concerns as well.

Thanks go to the local team at Moriarty for helping this process
along.

Tim & Susan McAllister "Team EY"

[ZL]

On 5/27/2011 6:47 PM, Tim wrote:
> Hooray!
>
> Looks like the Moriarty Super Regional is GO based on the revised
> NOTAM found at:
>
> https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2011/May/WSMR_11-09_Flight_Advisory.pdf
>
> If I am reading it right the outage times are now limited to between
> either 7PM - 3AM local OR 7PM - 12AM local. Even if I am off on my Z-
> time this is pretty much limited to the overnight hours.
>
> This should also free up 18m Nationals from any concerns as well.
>
> Thanks go to the local team at Moriarty for helping this process
> along.
>
> Tim& Susan McAllister "Team EY"

Revised or additional? I couldn't find anything saying the old one was
cancelled. And a flight route breifing through DUATs indicated both WSMR
11-08 and WSMR 11-09 are in effect next week.

-Dave

[Tim[_2_]]

<SNIP>
> Revised or additional? I couldn't find anything saying the old one was
> cancelled. And a flight route breifing through DUATs indicated both WSMR
> 11-08 and WSMR 11-09 are in effect next week.
>
> -Dave

Hmmmmmmm... let us check on this. Stand By.

[Tim[_2_]]

> Revised or additional? I couldn't find anything saying the old one was
> cancelled. And a flight route breifing through DUATs indicated both WSMR
> 11-08 and WSMR 11-09 are in effect next week.
>
> -Dave

O.K. Everyone. This might not be the good news we need to officially
say the contest is GO.

ZL is correct that the two NOTAMs are in effect next week. Further the
two NOTAMs do not share the same broadcast location, nor do they share
the same radius of effect. Grrrrr!

We need to get some more confirmation before we issue the all clear
signal. Sorry for the false alarm. Will get the details confirmed by
next week.

Tim "EY"