waxing newly painted sailplane

[Brad[_2_]]

I decided to paint my HP-24 myself. Overall it turned out nice and
saved me a whole bunch of money, while not "perfect" it will do just
fine. For a guy with a CostCo hoop house and a Harbor Freight
conversion gun I'm pleased!

My question is: how long should I wait to apply protective wax to the
airframe? And.................any suggestions which "wax" or product
to use?

I never did wax my Apis after we painted it, and later in life it
started developing moisture blisters, while not as heinous as the
blisters I've seen on other painted sailplanes at my field, they were
rather horrifying to see just the same. My hopes are that putting on a
good protective barrier should help with this.

Regards,
Brad

[JJ Sinclair[_2_]]

On Jun 22, 7:29*am, Brad > wrote:
> I decided to paint my HP-24 myself. Overall it turned out nice and
> saved me a whole bunch of money, while not "perfect" it will do just
> fine. For a guy with a CostCo hoop house and a Harbor Freight
> conversion gun I'm pleased!
>
> My question is: how long should I wait to apply protective wax to the
> airframe? And.................any suggestions which "wax" or product
> to use?
>
> I never did wax my Apis after we painted it, and later in life it
> started developing moisture blisters, while not as heinous as the
> blisters I've seen on other painted sailplanes at my field, they were
> rather horrifying to see just the same. My hopes are that putting on a
> good protective barrier should help with this.
>
> Regards,
> Brad

Most paint suppliers say to wait 30 days before waxing new paint
I use Mothers carnuba paste wax.
JJ

[[email protected]]

Look at the tech sheet for the brand and specific product you used for
data on how long to wait before waxing. If no data, call the
technical help number. If it is catalyzed urethane or the like, there
are far better products on the market than Carnuba. Definitely wax
it.

[ContestID67[_2_]]

>
> *I use Mothers carnuba paste wax.
>

Be sure to use Mothers Step 3 which does not have any abrasives in
it.

http://www.mothers.com/02_products/05550-05750.html

[Herbert kilian]

On Jun 23, 9:09*am, ContestID67 > wrote:
> > *I use Mothers carnuba paste wax.
>
> Be sure to use Mothers Step 3 which does not have any abrasives in
> it.
>
> http://www.mothers.com/02_products/05550-05750.html

I'm using Mother's Little Helper, but only internally...

[Brad Alston]

;775724']
*I use Mothers carnuba paste wax.


Be sure to use Mothers Step 3 which does not have any abrasives in
it.

http://www.mothers.com/02_products/05550-05750.html

OK, here are a couple of naive questions. Why use an automotive waxing product (e.g. Mother's) rather than something marketed in the aviation waxing application market (e.g., Aero Cosmetics)? Are they the same thing is different packages?

Just joined the forum and probably have more questions than answers right now! ;)

[Dan[_6_]]

On Jun 22, 7:29*am, Brad > wrote:
> I decided to paint my HP-24 myself. Overall it turned out nice and
> saved me a whole bunch of money, while not "perfect" it will do just
> fine. For a guy with a CostCo hoop house and a Harbor Freight
> conversion gun I'm pleased!
>
> My question is: how long should I wait to apply protective wax to the
> airframe? And.................any suggestions which "wax" or product
> to use?
>
> I never did wax my Apis after we painted it, and later in life it
> started developing moisture blisters, while not as heinous as the
> blisters I've seen on other painted sailplanes at my field, they were
> rather horrifying to see just the same. My hopes are that putting on a
> good protective barrier should help with this.
>
> Regards,
> Brad

Hey Brad,
Bring the HP-24 to the ESA Workshop this Labor Day weekend at Mountain
Valley Airport, Tehachapi, CA and I'll help you wax it! Timing should
be about right.

Dan
WO

[Brad[_2_]]

On Jun 25, 7:11*am, Dan > wrote:
> On Jun 22, 7:29*am, Brad > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I decided to paint my HP-24 myself. Overall it turned out nice and
> > saved me a whole bunch of money, while not "perfect" it will do just
> > fine. For a guy with a CostCo hoop house and a Harbor Freight
> > conversion gun I'm pleased!
>
> > My question is: how long should I wait to apply protective wax to the
> > airframe? And.................any suggestions which "wax" or product
> > to use?
>
> > I never did wax my Apis after we painted it, and later in life it
> > started developing moisture blisters, while not as heinous as the
> > blisters I've seen on other painted sailplanes at my field, they were
> > rather horrifying to see just the same. My hopes are that putting on a
> > good protective barrier should help with this.
>
> > Regards,
> > Brad
>
> Hey Brad,
> Bring the HP-24 to the ESA Workshop this Labor Day weekend at Mountain
> Valley Airport, Tehachapi, CA and I'll help you wax it! *Timing should
> be about right.
>
> Dan
> WO

let's see if Bob can get me the rest of the parts in
time.....depending on our business schedule I might be able to come
down!

Brad

[Darryl Ramm]

On Jun 24, 1:26*pm, Brad Alston <Brad.Alston.
> wrote:
> 'ContestID67[_2_ Wrote:
>
> > ;775724']-
> > *I use Mothers carnuba paste wax.
> > -
>
> > Be sure to use Mothers Step 3 which does not have any abrasives in
> > it.
>
> >http://www.mothers.com/02_products/05550-05750.html
>
> OK, here are a couple of naive questions. Why use an automotive waxing
> product (e.g. Mother's) rather than something marketed in the aviation
> waxing application market (e.g., Aero Cosmetics)? Are they the same
> thing is different packages?
>
> Just joined the forum and probably have more questions than answers
> right now! ;)
>
> --
> Brad Alston

Does a painted surface (in this case its gelcoat anyhow) know its
flying or driving down the road? Since its gelcoat the place to look
might be boating industry. Many glider pilots I know are using
Meguiar’s Deep Crystal Carnauba wax since it goes on and buff's off so
easy. Thanks to Williams soaring for putting me and many others onto
this wax - it really is easier and quicker to buff off than other
Carnauba waxes. Although I've also used Mothers and Griot's Garage
Carnuba waxes on gliders and cars and think they are great as well.
But the Meguiar's is easier to use so means the glider is more likely
to get waxed and it seems to last as well as other waxes.

Were talking a wax here, Aero Cosmetics don't even seem to offer a
simple wax, only that spray and wash junk. Brad will be after a real
wipe on buff off type wax.

Darryl

[Peter Scholz[_3_]]

Am 24.06.2011 22:26, Brad Alston wrote:
> 'ContestID67[_2_ Wrote:
>> ;775724']-
>> *I use Mothers carnuba paste wax.
>> -
>>
>> Be sure to use Mothers Step 3 which does not have any abrasives in
>> it.
>>
>> http://www.mothers.com/02_products/05550-05750.html
>
> OK, here are a couple of naive questions. Why use an automotive waxing
> product (e.g. Mother's) rather than something marketed in the aviation
> waxing application market (e.g., Aero Cosmetics)? Are they the same
> thing is different packages?
>
> Just joined the forum and probably have more questions than answers
> right now! ;)
>
>
I talked to one of the manufacturers that sell stuff for cars, boats and
planes here in Germany (Poly-Lack, www.carlack.de) and asked about the
difference, as we have used both the car and the plane variety in our
club. They look the same, but the plane stuff ist slightly more
expensive than the car variety.

The manufacturer (actually also a pilot) confirmed that it basically is
the same formula, with a little more polishing (= abrasive) component in
the car variant, and more UV-protection in the plane variant. Makes
sense to me.
--
Peter Scholz
ASW24 JE

[Brad[_2_]]

On Jun 25, 9:36*am, Darryl Ramm > wrote:
> On Jun 24, 1:26*pm, Brad Alston <Brad.Alston.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > 'ContestID67[_2_ Wrote:
>
> > > ;775724']-
> > > *I use Mothers carnuba paste wax.
> > > -
>
> > > Be sure to use Mothers Step 3 which does not have any abrasives in
> > > it.
>
> > >http://www.mothers.com/02_products/05550-05750.html
>
> > OK, here are a couple of naive questions. Why use an automotive waxing
> > product (e.g. Mother's) rather than something marketed in the aviation
> > waxing application market (e.g., Aero Cosmetics)? Are they the same
> > thing is different packages?
>
> > Just joined the forum and probably have more questions than answers
> > right now! ;)
>
> > --
> > Brad Alston
>
> Does a painted surface (in this case its gelcoat anyhow) know its
> flying or driving down the road? Since its gelcoat the place to look
> might be boating industry. Many glider pilots I know are using
> Meguiar’s Deep Crystal Carnauba wax since it goes on and buff's off so
> easy. Thanks to Williams soaring for putting me and many others onto
> this wax - it really is easier and quicker to buff off than other
> Carnauba waxes. Although I've also used Mothers and Griot's Garage
> Carnuba waxes on gliders and cars and think they are great as well.
> But the Meguiar's is easier to use so means the glider is more likely
> to get waxed and it seems to last as well as other waxes.
>
> Were talking a wax here, Aero Cosmetics don't even seem to offer a
> simple wax, only that spray and wash junk. Brad will be after a real
> wipe on buff off type wax.
>
> Darryl

Darryl,

the top coat material I used was Prestec 2781, and you're right......I
want to use something that wipes on and wipes off by hand, that is if
I don't get tendonitis so bad after all the wet sanding I've been
doing!

Brad

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

On 6/25/2011 7:19 PM, Brad wrote:
> On Jun 25, 9:36 am, Darryl > wrote:

>> Were talking a wax here, Aero Cosmetics don't even seem to offer a
>> simple wax, only that spray and wash junk. Brad will be after a real
>> wipe on buff off type wax.

>
> the top coat material I used was Prestec 2781, and you're right......I
> want to use something that wipes on and wipes off by hand, that is if
> I don't get tendonitis so bad after all the wet sanding I've been
> doing!

What does Prestec recommend for protecting their product?

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Feb/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://tinyurl.com/yb3xywl
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation Mar/2004" Much of what
you need to know tinyurl.com/yfs7tnz

[Brad Alston]

;775856']Am 24.06.2011 22:26, Brad Alston wrote:
'ContestID67[_2_ Wrote:
;775724']-
*I use Mothers carnuba paste wax.
-

Be sure to use Mothers Step 3 which does not have any abrasives in
it.

http://www.mothers.com/02_products/05550-05750.html

OK, here are a couple of naive questions. Why use an automotive waxing
product (e.g. Mother's) rather than something marketed in the aviation
waxing application market (e.g., Aero Cosmetics)? Are they the same
thing is different packages?

Just joined the forum and probably have more questions than answers
right now! ;)


I talked to one of the manufacturers that sell stuff for cars, boats and
planes here in Germany (Poly-Lack, www.carlack.de) and asked about the
difference, as we have used both the car and the plane variety in our
club. They look the same, but the plane stuff ist slightly more
expensive than the car variety.

The manufacturer (actually also a pilot) confirmed that it basically is
the same formula, with a little more polishing (= abrasive) component in
the car variant, and more UV-protection in the plane variant. Makes
sense to me.
--
Peter Scholz
ASW24 JE

Thank you Peter! Also makes sense to me, after thinking about it a while, that the automotive waxes are a bit more abrasive and aero products offer more UV protection. I also like the "easy on, easy off" comments from others. I suppose it comes down to what type of finish you have to start with...clean/newer (less abrasion and more polishing/protecting) versus oxidized/older (a little more abrasion needed along with the restorative polishing/protecting).