Seeking Marske Monarch or plans for same

[Frank Whiteley]

I am looking for the plans for or a complete Monarch of the Marske
Flying Wings. Can anyone help me find one? E-mail me at
Thanks.

Thomas Johnson

[Bob Kuykendall]

On Jul 17, 9:22*pm, Frank Whiteley > wrote:
> I am looking for the plans for or a complete Monarch of the Marske
> Flying Wings. Can anyone help me find one? E-mail me at
> Thanks.
>
> Thomas Johnson

I suggest you get directly in touch with Jim Marske:

http://marskeaircraft.com/index.html

Thanks, Bob K.

[JohnElliott]

You might be interested in the Monarch sold by Kollman Wings at the
websited below. I am not sure if it is a Marske approved design or
not but it looks similar.

http://www.kollmanwings.com/Home_Page.php

The Monarch is an open cockpit sailplane that tows with hang glider
equipment. It is well matched for scooter towing or air towing behind
trike or Dragonfly. It thermals well at speeeds hang glider pilots are
used to and has similar turn radius in thermals. The control system
uses standard stick and rudder 3-axis control.

The Monarch H is a redesign of the Monarch fuselage to allow for prop
clearance. This allows for a motor to be mounted behind the pilot
similar to a trike.
Monarch H specs
wingspan.........................43.5'
wing area........................165 ft sq
Best L/D ........................20 @ 35 mph
Minumun sink....................135 ft/min
Empty weight...................180 lb glider version...... 250 lb
motorized
pilot weight......................130 lb to 250 lb
Stall speed...................... 30 mph @ max weight
Vne.................................65 mph.

Monarch H kit............................................... ......
$9,500
Monarch H ready to fly.....................................$14,500

[Frank Whiteley]

On Jul 18, 5:29*pm, JohnElliott > wrote:
> You might be interested in the Monarch sold by Kollman Wings at the
> websited below. *I am not sure if it is a Marske approved design or
> not but it looks similar.
>
> http://www.kollmanwings.com/Home_Page.php
>
> The Monarch is an open cockpit sailplane that tows with hang glider
> equipment. It is well matched for scooter towing or air towing behind
> trike or Dragonfly. It thermals well at speeeds hang glider pilots are
> used to and has similar turn radius in thermals. The control system
> uses standard stick and rudder 3-axis control.
>
> The Monarch H is a redesign of the Monarch fuselage to allow for prop
> clearance. This allows for a motor to be mounted behind the pilot
> similar to a trike.
> Monarch H *specs
> * wingspan.........................43.5'
> * wing area........................165 ft sq
> * Best L/D *........................20 @ 35 mph
> * Minumun sink....................135 ft/min
> * Empty weight...................180 lb glider version...... 250 lb
> motorized
> * pilot weight......................130 lb to 250 lb
> * Stall speed...................... 30 mph *@ max weight
> * Vne.................................65 mph.
>
> Monarch H kit............................................... ......
> $9,500
> Monarch H ready to fly.....................................$14,500

Although I was doing this for someone else, I had chats with Matt
Kollman and Thomas Johnson last evening. It wasn't Jim that wasn't
responding, but apparently Matt Redsell after a first contact. The
new Monarch will be the H, with an improved fuselage.

Frank Whiteley

[JJ Sinclair[_2_]]

.. *The
> new Monarch will be the H, with an improved fuselage.

I hope they improved the release system! A friend did several auto
tows. The info said it could be aero towed, so they hooked it up to a
Cub On tow it started to oscilate wildly in pitch (too fast?). He
tried to release, but couldn't and it PIO'd into the runway. My friend
received a severe head injury. If you fly a Monarch, for god's sake
wear a helmet!
JJ

[Bill D]

On Jul 21, 7:06*am, JJ Sinclair > wrote:
> . *The
>
> > new Monarch will be the H, with an improved fuselage.
>
> I hope they improved the release system! A friend did several auto
> tows. The info said it could be aero towed, so they hooked it up to a
> Cub On tow it started to oscilate wildly in pitch *(too fast?). He
> tried to release, but couldn't and it PIO'd into the runway. My friend
> received a severe head injury. If you fly a Monarch, for god's sake
> wear a helmet!
> JJ

I don't know what happened to your friend (my condolences), but your
comment may be unfair. The Marske flying wings respond very rapidly
to pitch inputs but they don't oscillate.

Bill D

[BobW]

On 7/21/2011 10:18 AM, Bill D wrote:
> On Jul 21, 7:06 am, JJ > wrote:
>> . The
>>
>>> new Monarch will be the H, with an improved fuselage.
>>
>> I hope they improved the release system! A friend did several auto
>> tows. The info said it could be aero towed, so they hooked it up to a
>> Cub On tow it started to oscilate wildly in pitch (too fast?). He
>> tried to release, but couldn't and it PIO'd into the runway. My friend
>> received a severe head injury. If you fly a Monarch, for god's sake
>> wear a helmet!
>> JJ
>
> I don't know what happened to your friend (my condolences), but your
> comment may be unfair. The Marske flying wings respond very rapidly
> to pitch inputs but they don't oscillate.
>
> Bill D

JJ, I feel your pain (it's never good when anyone gets injured in a
sailplane), but the rational part of me has to object to the implied dig at
(in this case) the Monarch aerodynamic design (and by implication, flying wing
sailplanes in general). Here's why.

While I won't argue the point that 'some designs' are more likely to have a
pilot induce/endure PIO than others, I would also simultaneously argue that -
in the vast majority of cases - *the pilot* is the primary contributor. To
think - or to encourage others to think - otherwise, is (IMHO) doing pilots a
disservice.

For heaven's sake, a 1-34 was PIO-ed into scrap metal (with some
broken/crushed vertebrae thrown in) at my home airport many years ago...on a
benign weather condition *landing*. A less-PIO-prone ship than the 1-34 is
difficult for me to imagine. Now *there* was a pilot to whom I might've
considered suggesting wearing a helmet...or, investing in companies that make
energy-absorbing foam.

On the other hand, I give you points for flying an 'almost flying wing'
design, the Genesis II! :-)

Regards,
Bob W.

P.S. I know absolutely zero about the/that Monarch's tow hook/release system.

[Roberto Waltman[_2_]]

JohnElliott wrote:
>You might be interested in the Monarch sold by Kollman Wings at the
>websited below. I am not sure if it is a Marske approved design or
>not but it looks similar.
>
>http://www.kollmanwings.com/Home_Page.php
>

In http://www.kollmanwings.com/Prices.html it says:

"For Monarch f and Pioneer 2 plans contact Jim Marske
http://www.marskeaircraft.com/ "

[JJ Sinclair[_2_]]

> I don't know what happened to your friend (my condolences), but your
> comment may be unfair. *The Marske flying wings respond very rapidly
> to pitch inputs but they don't oscillate.
>
> Bill D

I don't have a problem with the Monarch, I think its a cute little
ship. I do have a problem with a brochure that stated "Auto & Air-
towable" without specifying an max tow speed. I believe the tow behind
the Cub was much too fast for that light little ship. It was swinging
wildly from side to side, like a kite hooked to a car. If memory
serves me right, It hit inverted on the last wild swing. I do have a
problem with a bridle tow system attached to two tow hooks that didn't
release when repeatedly tried.
The last I heard from my friend, he didn't remember the first 40 years
of his life and if he left home alone, he couldn't find his way back.
JJ

[[email protected]]

There are a few YouTube Videos of Aerotowing (and Scooter Winch Launching) attesting the safe control of the Monarch glider.
See Matt Kollman's videos:
Aerotowing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbgIUMmeb3A&list=UU7cscDUEM4QnZId90F2ki-g
Aerotowing (several flights by first time flyers of mixed experience)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx3Fe4g_nJk&list=UU7cscDUEM4QnZId90F2ki-g
Scooter/Winch Towing (Pilot's View)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oddtSTqVVik&list=UU7cscDUEM4QnZId90F2ki-g
Scooter/Winch Towing (Ground View)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijCnLaRf5Eo&list=UU7cscDUEM4QnZId90F2ki-g
As a Monarch pilot, please let me advise y'all. The Monarch is an absolute pleasure to fly. It does have a couple anomalies worth mentioning:
1. It is fully controllable (pitch, yaw & roll)down to below stall speed.
2. It seems to enter a "mush-mode" at low speed where descent rate is accelerated due to the combined effect of stall AOA AND a spoiler effect of up elevator. DON'T TOW TOO SLOW. If you do, you WILL DESCEND and pitching up only spoils lift and increases the descent rate.
3. Due to the crossover effect of #2 above, there seemed to be a very low speed at the beginning of the tow at which pitch authority goes from unreliable/uncontrollable to very positively positive...about 10-15mph. In training others to fly the Monarch, I suggested that they hold the stick/pitch at a few degrees of trailing edge up until pitch authority becomes strongly positive; then a low speed, nose up takeoff may proceed.
4. There was a strong adverse yaw effect during rolls. I was flying a first generation Monarch (serial #2). Just LEAD WITH RUDDER before rolling and use the rudder for the roll-ins and rolling out.
5. My Monarch was old and FRAGILE. But, it was a pleasure to fly between 25 and 65 MPH. Matt Kollman is in the process of rejuvinating my Monarch. I can't wait to fly it again this Spring. If anyone wants to fly a Monarch, call Matt or me and get thee to Ohio and we can arrange it. You will be hooked.
6. Due to the "mush-mode", I suggested to other pilots to fly the pattern at 40mph and to land before the mush-mode overpowers the pitch-lift authority...at 30-25mph.
There is NO pitch issue during aerotow. Pitch authority was always strongly positive. The Monarch IS a low speed, low energy, high performance glider. Towing fast should be attempted only with caution and due care.
I would be flying a completely rejuvinated and airworthy Monarch right now. But, Matt Kollman is busy at the Marske factory (his shop & basement) building new ultralight Monarchs and Pioneer 3 gliders. Oh well, it isn't soaring weather in Ohio at the moment.
Have a great year. ...and contact Matt Kollman if you want a fun, safe and affordable glider.

Jim Goebel (goebeljw_at_aol.com)

On Friday, July 22, 2011 6:10:28 PM UTC-4, JJ Sinclair wrote:
> > I don't know what happened to your friend (my condolences), but your
> > comment may be unfair. *The Marske flying wings respond very rapidly
> > to pitch inputs but they don't oscillate.
> >
> > Bill D
>
> I don't have a problem with the Monarch, I think its a cute little
> ship. I do have a problem with a brochure that stated "Auto & Air-
> towable" without specifying an max tow speed. I believe the tow behind
> the Cub was much too fast for that light little ship. It was swinging
> wildly from side to side, like a kite hooked to a car. If memory
> serves me right, It hit inverted on the last wild swing. I do have a
> problem with a bridle tow system attached to two tow hooks that didn't
> release when repeatedly tried.
> The last I heard from my friend, he didn't remember the first 40 years
> of his life and if he left home alone, he couldn't find his way back.
> JJ