Logan Contest Reporting

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The following message from Ken Sorenson speaks for the Rules Committee
and the rest of the contest commitee on the subject of contest reports
from Logan. Please especially note that NO ONE from SSA censored the
previously posted reports.
UH
Ken's message:
Many of us enjoy following contests by reading the contest reports
posted on the SSA website. Contest organizers are encouraged to post
these daily reports and are responsible for selecting the reporters
and posting the reports. There has never been any structure within the
SSA to "manage" the reporters or the reporting -- please remember that
the SSA management of contests is done entirely by a small group of
dedicated volunteers, all of whom already have plenty to do without
trying to manage contest reporters and reporting.

The contest organizers at the recent and ongoing Logan, UT contests
have apparently elected to change reporters at the contest, which is
within their authority to do. Frank Paynter's unofficial reports will
continue to be available at www.soaringcafe.com. Please note that
unofficial reports have been available previously from other reporters
on personal blogs and other websites for this and other contests.

We apologize for any inconvenience the change in contest reporting at
Logan has caused and hope everyone will continue to enjoy following
the progress of the ongoing 15M Nationals on the SSA website and
elsewhere.

Ken Sorenson
SSA Contest Committee Chairman

[Walt Connelly]

The following message from Ken Sorenson speaks for the Rules Committee
and the rest of the contest commitee on the subject of contest reports
from Logan. Please especially note that NO ONE from SSA censored the
previously posted reports.
UH
Ken's message:
Many of us enjoy following contests by reading the contest reports
posted on the SSA website. Contest organizers are encouraged to post
these daily reports and are responsible for selecting the reporters
and posting the reports. There has never been any structure within the
SSA to "manage" the reporters or the reporting -- please remember that
the SSA management of contests is done entirely by a small group of
dedicated volunteers, all of whom already have plenty to do without
trying to manage contest reporters and reporting.

The contest organizers at the recent and ongoing Logan, UT contests
have apparently elected to change reporters at the contest, which is
within their authority to do. Frank Paynter's unofficial reports will
continue to be available at www.soaringcafe.com. Please note that
unofficial reports have been available previously from other reporters
on personal blogs and other websites for this and other contests.

We apologize for any inconvenience the change in contest reporting at
Logan has caused and hope everyone will continue to enjoy following
the progress of the ongoing 15M Nationals on the SSA website and
elsewhere.

Ken Sorenson
SSA Contest Committee Chairman

As one who reads and enjoys any reports about ongoing contests I would like to ask just where these other reports might be? I think we all knew Franks would be available on the SSA site and Soaring Cafe, well written with a bit of humor which I always appreciated.

Who may I ask are the new reporters and where might we find their writings, ramblings, notes, anecdotes, scribblings, comments and the like? Inquiring minds want to know.

Walt

[Berry[_2_]]

In article
>,
wrote:

> The following message from Ken Sorenson speaks for the Rules Committee
> and the rest of the contest commitee on the subject of contest reports
> from Logan. Please especially note that NO ONE from SSA censored the
> previously posted reports.
> UH
> Ken's message:
> Many of us enjoy following contests by reading the contest reports
>

Good to hear this from Ken. Glad to hear also that the SSA did not
censor the reports. The question is: Who pulled down the previous day
reports from the SSA site?

[Berry[_2_]]

In article >,
Berry > wrote:


>
> Good to hear this from Ken. Glad to hear also that the SSA did not
> censor the reports. The question is: Who pulled down the previous day
> reports from the SSA site?

Oh, never mind. I spoke too soon. Tim Taylor's post in the original
thread clears that up.

Thanks

[noel.wade]

> Who may I ask are the new reporters and where might we find their
> writings, ramblings, notes, anecdotes, scribblings, comments and the
> like? *Inquiring minds want to know.

I was only there for the Regionals and my ramblings usually only cover
my own flights (for friends & family that want to follow along) - but
you're more than welcome to read my contest Blogs on my SSA page:
http://www.ssa.org/myhome.asp?mbr=1864823698&show=blog

Enjoy,

--Noel

[Ron Gleason]

On Jul 26, 12:18*pm, Berry > wrote:
> In article >,
>
> *Berry > wrote:
>
> > Good to hear this from Ken. Glad to hear also that the SSA did not
> > censor the reports. The question is: Who pulled down the previous day
> > reports from the SSA site?
>
> Oh, never mind. I spoke too soon. Tim Taylor's post in the original
> thread clears that up.
>
> Thanks

I personally removed the reports from the SSA Official Contest site
after *ALL* the contest management folks agreed to the action. We
discussed and understood the risk associated with this action.

Ron Gleason
15 Meter Nationals Scorer and Logan contest ground coordinator etc

[hretting]

Ken, I took your advice and erase my tactifully humorious reply.

Ron, on behalf of the SSA community, we appreciate all the hard work
that you and your fellow contest volunteers do and wish great days
ahead of you.

"Frank, go put a bucket over your head."

R


"GOOOOOD Chiken, Love dem bisqits, TOO!"

[Walt Connelly]

Who may I ask are the new reporters and where might we find their
writings, ramblings, notes, anecdotes, scribblings, comments and the
like? *Inquiring minds want to know.

I was only there for the Regionals and my ramblings usually only cover
my own flights (for friends & family that want to follow along) - but
you're more than welcome to read my contest Blogs on my SSA page:
http://www.ssa.org/myhome.asp?mbr=1864823698&show=blog

Enjoy,

--Noel

Good stuff, I enjoyed reading your blog. One can learn things delving into the mindset of the competitive racing pilot. I especially like the comment, ""Blue Flame" asian restaurant in Ephrata (relatively new place with good Asian food; not upscale but then nothing in Ephrata is)" I'm sure the Ephrata folks will appreciate that, ha ha. Seriously though those of us who are limited in their opportunity to fly let alone race can appreciate the contests thru the eyes and writings of those in attendance. Your extensive pieces indicate that perhaps YOU should be doing the reporting. The problem is finding the individual blogs and sites where this information is reported. At least I knew where Frank Paynter's was. Maybe you should post on Soaring Cafe? Keep it up.

Walt


Walt

[Walt Connelly]

On Jul 26, 12:18*pm, Berry wrote:
In article ,

*Berry wrote:

Good to hear this from Ken. Glad to hear also that the SSA did not
censor the reports. The question is: Who pulled down the previous day
reports from the SSA site?

Oh, never mind. I spoke too soon. Tim Taylor's post in the original
thread clears that up.

Thanks

I personally removed the reports from the SSA Official Contest site
after *ALL* the contest management folks agreed to the action. We
discussed and understood the risk associated with this action.

Ron Gleason
15 Meter Nationals Scorer and Logan contest ground coordinator etc

But Ron, that's censorship. Just because one can, does not mean one should. While you might have disagreed with Frank's comments, to delete them in my opinion creates a dangerous precedence.

cen·sor·ship/ˈsensərˌSHip/
Noun: The practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts.

Walt

[Gary[_5_]]

On Jul 26, 5:08*pm, Ron Gleason > wrote:
> On Jul 26, 12:18*pm, Berry > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
>
> > *Berry > wrote:
>
> > > Good to hear this from Ken. Glad to hear also that the SSA did not
> > > censor the reports. The question is: Who pulled down the previous day
> > > reports from the SSA site?
>
> > Oh, never mind. I spoke too soon. Tim Taylor's post in the original
> > thread clears that up.
>
> > Thanks
>
> I personally removed the reports from the SSA Official Contest site
> after *ALL* the contest management folks agreed to the action. *We
> discussed and understood the risk associated with this action.
>
> Ron Gleason
> 15 Meter Nationals Scorer and Logan contest ground coordinator etc

So Ron, the section of Frank's report that the management found
objectionable has been pointed out....... but why it was thought to be
unacceptable has not been clearly defined or explained. That would
help us better understand the reason and possibly (or not) agree with
the decision. Personally, I think Frank breathes a lot of fresh air
into contest reports without resorting to "How many words can I write"
tactics.

Gary Adams GA2

[noel.wade]

On Jul 27, 5:32*am, Gary > wrote:

> So Ron, the section of Frank's report that the management found
> objectionable has been pointed out....... but why it was thought to be
> unacceptable has not been clearly defined or explained. That would
> help us better understand the reason and possibly (or not) agree with
> the decision. Personally, I think Frank breathes a lot of fresh air
> into contest reports without resorting to "How many words can I write"
> tactics.
>
> Gary Adams GA2

Gary - I believe it was explained in this message (in another RAS
thread):
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.soaring/msg/cd9bbe41bddb6601

Enjoy,

--Noel

[Gary[_5_]]

On Jul 27, 11:02*am, "noel.wade" > wrote:
> On Jul 27, 5:32*am, Gary > wrote:
>
> > So Ron, the section of Frank's report that the management found
> > objectionable has been pointed out....... but why it was thought to be
> > unacceptable has not been clearly defined or explained. That would
> > help us better understand the reason and possibly (or not) agree with
> > the decision. Personally, I think Frank breathes a lot of fresh air
> > into contest reports without resorting to "How many words can I write"
> > tactics.
>
> > Gary Adams GA2
>
> Gary - I believe it was explained in this message (in another RAS
> thread):http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.soaring/msg/cd9bbe41bddb6601
>
> Enjoy,
>
> --Noel

Thanks,
GA2

[M North]

Censorship is silly.
The idea of Unofficial vs. Official contest reports is silly.
We should be celebrating the wide range of passion, experience,
opinions, flying skills, and writing skills we have in this sport.

Don't remove something just because you disagree with it. Add your
disagreement to the conversation and let everyone read both opinions.

I don't know Frank, but I want to read more from him, not less. And I
don't want to have to go looking in some special place to find his
stories.

[Walt Connelly]

Ken, I took your advice and erase my tactifully humorious reply.

Ron, on behalf of the SSA community, we appreciate all the hard work
that you and your fellow contest volunteers do and wish great days
ahead of you.

"Frank, go put a bucket over your head."

R


"GOOOOOD Chiken, Love dem bisqits, TOO!"

Romeo, Romeo, hath thou buckled under Romeo?
A humorous reply needith 2B or not 2B erased?
And you suggest Frank puttith a bucket over his head?
for sooth or soothless, nay, nay, sayith it is not true.
Thou kiddith, doth thou not?

Walt

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

On 7/27/2011 11:00 AM, M North wrote:
> Censorship is silly.
> The idea of Unofficial vs. Official contest reports is silly.
> We should be celebrating the wide range of passion, experience,
> opinions, flying skills, and writing skills we have in this sport.
>
> Don't remove something just because you disagree with it. Add your
> disagreement to the conversation and let everyone read both opinions.
>
> I don't know Frank, but I want to read more from him, not less. And I
> don't want to have to go looking in some special place to find his
> stories.

Sorry, I don't think the official contest reports on the SSA site should
be turned into an "open mike". RAS, blogs, and more can fill the wide
range you desire.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)

[hretting]

Horse****.....and to add insult to the whole mess is we have to read,
correction, see the dry chicken maker boring crap on 'SoaringCafe'
after he chase TA away. If RG and TT had a problem with the accuracy
of TA reports and where his take on the flight was, than TA should
have been given the opportunity to reflect this with an updated report
to allow us to follow on with an exciting contest.
These two ruin a fun thing.
I apologize in advance if working with TA was tried and he refused.
R

[Ron Gleason]

On Jul 27, 6:32*am, Gary > wrote:
> On Jul 26, 5:08*pm, Ron Gleason > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 26, 12:18*pm, Berry > wrote:
>
> > > In article >,
>
> > > *Berry > wrote:
>
> > > > Good to hear this from Ken. Glad to hear also that the SSA did not
> > > > censor the reports. The question is: Who pulled down the previous day
> > > > reports from the SSA site?
>
> > > Oh, never mind. I spoke too soon. Tim Taylor's post in the original
> > > thread clears that up.
>
> > > Thanks
>
> > I personally removed the reports from the SSA Official Contest site
> > after *ALL* the contest management folks agreed to the action. *We
> > discussed and understood the risk associated with this action.
>
> > Ron Gleason
> > 15 Meter Nationals Scorer and Logan contest ground coordinator etc
>
> So Ron, the section of Frank's report that the management found
> objectionable has been pointed out....... but why it was thought to be
> unacceptable has not been clearly defined or explained. That would
> help us better understand the reason and possibly (or not) agree with
> the decision. Personally, I think Frank breathes a lot of fresh air
> into contest reports without resorting to "How many words can I write"
> tactics.
>
> Gary Adams GA2

I believe that the decision process and reasoning behind the decision
was clearly spelled out by Tim Taylor's post. at
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.soaring/msg/cd9bbe41bddb6601

I too enjoy reading Frank's reports however he was not asked nor
designated to be the 'contest reporter' and post on the official SSA
contest site. We have continued to encourage Frank to document his
experiences and let us know where the reports are so we can include
links on the SSA contest site.

Gary and Walt, I am sure we can debate this till our fingers fall off
so I am categorizing this as we can agree to disagree.

One day left of the 15 Meter Nationals, the scores are close and I am
looking forward to seeing the race won in the air today! BTW Frank is
in 2nd place going into the last day!

Ron Gleason

Ron Gleason

[Pat Russell[_2_]]

> I don't think the official contest reports on the SSA site should
> be turned into an "open mike"....

Agreed.

But I think that, as the editorial authority, Contest Management has
the power to

1. censor
2. edit
3. publish an alternative viewpoint

in reverse order of desirability.

-Pat

[hretting]

Of course Gleason all of you decide on practice day to tell TA not to
report on the SSA site rather than wait until day 5 or 6 as only one
of lower class would do. Good thing TT gave you his good advice to
avoid the obvious and bring about the possibilities of the Logan staff
appearing.....shallow.
Take a long hard look at the 'results and report' page on the SSA site
boys.
5 maybe 6 days missing from the report side,at the 15M Nationals.
A volunteer .... just trying to do his part. Like the two of you.
Thanks

R

Frank, you come on down south to Cordele and write all you want, what
you want. How the lightning bolts and thunder made you believe the CD
was crazy. How I got lucky the first two days and lawn darted all the
rest. You take what is and make a story. No boys....down south we
don't censor....we just make more sweet tea.

[Larry Goddard]

"Ron Gleason" > wrote in message
:

>
> I believe that the decision process and reasoning behind the decision
> was clearly spelled out by Tim Taylor's post. at
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.soaring/msg/cd9bbe41bddb6601
>
> I too enjoy reading Frank's reports however he was not asked nor
> designated to be the 'contest reporter' and post on the official SSA
> contest site.


Hold on here now!!!! When the Contest Manager asks Frank to be the
'contest reporter' and post his comments on the official site, that
pretty well settles the issue in my mind.


Zero One

[hretting]

Sorry Larry,,,,,we're beating on an old mule.....more like a donkey.
R

[Larry Goddard]

"hretting" > wrote in message
:

> Sorry Larry,,,,,we're beating on an old mule.....more like a donkey.
> R



I believe I did hear a couple of "hee-haw's" in all of the justification
rants.

Zero One