Re: IFR Geese

[Dptate]

Walking in the woods this morning under a low and snowing overcast, I heard a
large and loud formation of geese flying directly overhead but they were not
visible. I had no idea that geese were IFR rated.

Dave Tate

[B2431]

>From: (Dptate)
>Date: 12/20/2003 10:49 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Walking in the woods this morning under a low and snowing overcast, I heard a
>large and loud formation of geese flying directly overhead but they were not
>visible. I had no idea that geese were IFR rated.
>
>Dave Tate

In the old days pilots would often fly with a cat and a goose. If they lost
visibility they could drop the cat over the side. Since cats always land on
their feet the pilot would have a rough horizon reference. To get out of the
weather they would heave the goose over the side and follow it to clear
weather.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Jan Carlsson]

A friend of mine, flying a HS 847 meet a goose at 6000 feet in a cloud, the
goose wasn't cleared for ifr or had filed any flight plan, and was never
heard of again, it hit the windshield post just where it meets the roof.

Jan Carlsson
www.jcpropellerdesign.com

"Dptate" > skrev i meddelandet
...
> Walking in the woods this morning under a low and snowing overcast, I
heard a
> large and loud formation of geese flying directly overhead but they were
not
> visible. I had no idea that geese were IFR rated.
>
> Dave Tate

[Rich S.]

"B2431" > wrote in message
...
>
> In the old days pilots would often fly with a cat and a goose. If they
lost
> visibility they could drop the cat over the side. Since cats always land
on
> their feet the pilot would have a rough horizon reference. To get out of
the
> weather they would heave the goose over the side and follow it to clear
> weather.
>
> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

This is an Urban Legend. Geese were never used, as they *love* to fly in the
fog. Ducks were required.

Also, the cat was placed on the cockpit floor and used as a bio-horizon.
Don't forget the dog to keep the cat from curling up and going to sleep.

Rich S.

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:49:21 -0800, "Rich S." >
wrote:

>"B2431" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> In the old days pilots would often fly with a cat and a goose.
>
>This is an Urban Legend. Geese were never used, as they *love* to fly in the
>fog. Ducks were required.

Yep. For one thing, geese will fly upside down, while a duck will avoid
inverted flight. If ducks fly upside down, they quack up.

Ron Wanttaja

[Tim Ward]

"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:49:21 -0800, "Rich S."
>
> wrote:
>
> >"B2431" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >> In the old days pilots would often fly with a cat and a goose.
> >
> >This is an Urban Legend. Geese were never used, as they *love* to fly in
the
> >fog. Ducks were required.
>
> Yep. For one thing, geese will fly upside down, while a duck will avoid
> inverted flight. If ducks fly upside down, they quack up.
>
> Ron Wanttaja

Yep, and they return from the vet with a big bill.

Still, with a duck or a goose in the cockpit, you can always get down.

Tim Ward

[Fitzair4]

I have seen then fly through {mean heard them) many times.

[RobertR237]

In article >,
(Fitzair4) writes:

>
>I have seen then fly through {mean heard them) many times.
>
>

I had just finished the rollout of the Monday morning trash bin and was walking
back to the house when I heard this wonderful sound. The sky was a bright
clear blue (severe clear) without a cloud in sight and there, high overhead
were two large, almost perfect "V"s moving across to the south. Their song was
loud and clear since it was early enough that the human noise was subdued and
still enough for the sound to travel a long way. A truely beautiful sight that
has become less and less frequent over the last few years.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

[pacplyer]

"Tim Ward" > wrote in message >...
> "Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:49:21 -0800, "Rich S."
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >"B2431" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >>
> > >> In the old days pilots would often fly with a cat and a goose.
> > >
> > >This is an Urban Legend. Geese were never used, as they *love* to fly in
> the
> > >fog. Ducks were required.
> >
> > Yep. For one thing, geese will fly upside down, while a duck will avoid
> > inverted flight. If ducks fly upside down, they quack up.
> >
> > Ron Wanttaja
>
> Yep, and they return from the vet with a big bill.
>
> Still, with a duck or a goose in the cockpit, you can always get down.
>
> Tim Ward

Good point Tim. Lot's of "down" floating around. That's why it's
important to check your air conditioning ducts before you take off.

Q: How do you know you've blown a duct?

A: You look in the mirror and see feathers around your mouth....

pacplyer

[Frank]

(RobertR237) wrote in
:

> In article >,
> (Fitzair4) writes:
>
>>
>>I have seen then fly through {mean heard them) many times.
>>
>>
A truely beautiful sight that has become less
> and less frequent over the last few years.
>
>
> Bob Reed

Hey Bob, come on down to SW OK. and get your fill. They are eating the
wheat farmers out of business in places.

[RobertR237]

In article >, Frank
> writes:

>>>
> A truely beautiful sight that has become less
>> and less frequent over the last few years.
>>
>>
>> Bob Reed
>
>Hey Bob, come on down to SW OK. and get your fill. They are eating the
>wheat farmers out of business in places.
>
>
>

I am not saying that their numbers are down so much as they are taking a
different path and overflying my home less frequently and at highter altitudes
now. There are still areas to the West and Southeast of Houston that are
downright dangerous to fly your airplane over during this time of year.

Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

[B2431]

>From: (pacplyer)
>Date: 12/30/2003 10:39 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"Tim Ward" > wrote in message
>...
>> "Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:49:21 -0800, "Rich S."
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >"B2431" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > >>
>> > >> In the old days pilots would often fly with a cat and a goose.
>> > >
>> > >This is an Urban Legend. Geese were never used, as they *love* to fly in
>> the
>> > >fog. Ducks were required.
>> >
>> > Yep. For one thing, geese will fly upside down, while a duck will avoid
>> > inverted flight. If ducks fly upside down, they quack up.
>> >
>> > Ron Wanttaja
>>
>> Yep, and they return from the vet with a big bill.
>>
>> Still, with a duck or a goose in the cockpit, you can always get down.
>>
>> Tim Ward
>
>Good point Tim. Lot's of "down" floating around. That's why it's
>important to check your air conditioning ducts before you take off.
>
>Q: How do you know you've blown a duct?
>
>A: You look in the mirror and see feathers around your mouth....
>
>pacplyer
>
Cheese and quackers, this thread brings out the loons.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[pacplyer]

(B2431) wrote in message >...
> >From: (pacplyer)
> >Date: 12/30/2003 10:39 AM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >"Tim Ward" > wrote in message
> >...
> >> "Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:49:21 -0800, "Rich S."
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >"B2431" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> > >>
> >> > >> In the old days pilots would often fly with a cat and a goose.
> >> > >
> >> > >This is an Urban Legend. Geese were never used, as they *love* to fly in
> the
> >> > >fog. Ducks were required.
> >> >
> >> > Yep. For one thing, geese will fly upside down, while a duck will avoid
> >> > inverted flight. If ducks fly upside down, they quack up.
> >> >
> >> > Ron Wanttaja
> >>
> >> Yep, and they return from the vet with a big bill.
> >>
> >> Still, with a duck or a goose in the cockpit, you can always get down.
> >>
> >> Tim Ward
> >
> >Good point Tim. Lot's of "down" floating around. That's why it's
> >important to check your air conditioning ducts before you take off.
> >
> >Q: How do you know you've blown a duct?
> >
> >A: You look in the mirror and see feathers around your mouth....
> >
> >pacplyer
> >
> Cheese and quackers, this thread brings out the loons.
>
> Dan, U. S. Air Farce, retired

And the decoys

[Morgans]

"pacplyer" > wrote > > >
> > Cheese and quackers, this thread brings out the loons.
> >
> > Dan, U. S. Air Farce, retired
>
> And the decoys

I don't see what the big flap is about!!
--
Jim in NC

[Frank Hitlaw]

"Rich S." > wrote in message >...
> "B2431" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > In the old days pilots would often fly with a cat and a goose. If they
> lost
> > visibility they could drop the cat over the side. Since cats always land
> on
> > their feet the pilot would have a rough horizon reference. To get out of
> the
> > weather they would heave the goose over the side and follow it to clear
> > weather.
> >
> > Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>
> This is an Urban Legend. Geese were never used, as they *love* to fly in the
> fog. Ducks were required.
>
> Also, the cat was placed on the cockpit floor and used as a bio-horizon.
> Don't forget the dog to keep the cat from curling up and going to sleep.
>
> Rich S.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Ok,where in the hell is duckboy when we really need him?
Frank M.Hitlaw

[B2431]

>From: "Jan Carlsson"
>Date: 12/21/2003 7:49 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>A friend of mine, flying a HS 847 meet a goose at 6000 feet in a cloud, the
>goose wasn't cleared for ifr or had filed any flight plan, and was never
>heard of again, it hit the windshield post just where it meets the roof.
>
>Jan Carlsson
>www.jcpropellerdesign.com
>

Was he able to get the tail number of the goose?

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Model Flyer]

"RobertR237" > wrote in message

> clear blue (severe clear) without a cloud in sight and there, high
overhead
> were two large, almost perfect "V"s moving across to the south.
Their song was
> loud and clear since it was early enough that the human noise was
subdued and
> still enough for the sound to travel a long way. A truely
beautiful sight that
> has become less and less frequent over the last few years.
>

We have wetlands to the north of Wexford Harbour here in the South
East of Ireland, this is home to many wild birds inclunding up to
12,000 Greenland Whitefront Geese. Having to herd these geese off
local farm land onto the local reserve was on of the jobs I did
almost 20 year ago, gave me great respect for the flying ability of
geese.

Geese have been observed at 33,000 feet on rout back to Greenland.
--
---
Cheers,
Jonathan Lowe.
/
don't bother me with insignificiant nonsence such as spelling,
I don't care if it spelt properly
/
Sometimes I fly and sometimes I just dream about it.
:-)



>
> Bob Reed
> www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
> KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....
>
> "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
> pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
> (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)
>

[Cy Galley]

You ought to come to the Mississippi River Valley. The large V flights
happen many times a day and the Vs get larger and more numerous. They also
make a mess with the excrement on the bike paths and parkways along the
banks.

Cy Galley - Webmaster www.qcbc.org

"Model Flyer" > wrote in message
...
>
> "RobertR237" > wrote in message
>
> > clear blue (severe clear) without a cloud in sight and there, high
> overhead
> > were two large, almost perfect "V"s moving across to the south.
> Their song was
> > loud and clear since it was early enough that the human noise was
> subdued and
> > still enough for the sound to travel a long way. A truely
> beautiful sight that
> > has become less and less frequent over the last few years.
> >
>
> We have wetlands to the north of Wexford Harbour here in the South
> East of Ireland, this is home to many wild birds inclunding up to
> 12,000 Greenland Whitefront Geese. Having to herd these geese off
> local farm land onto the local reserve was on of the jobs I did
> almost 20 year ago, gave me great respect for the flying ability of
> geese.
>
> Geese have been observed at 33,000 feet on rout back to Greenland.
> --
> ---
> Cheers,
> Jonathan Lowe.
> /
> don't bother me with insignificiant nonsence such as spelling,
> I don't care if it spelt properly
> /
> Sometimes I fly and sometimes I just dream about it.
> :-)
>
>
>
> >
> > Bob Reed
> > www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
> > KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....
> >
> > "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
> > pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
> > (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)
> >
>
>