ClearNav vs. LX 9000

[Mitch Polinsky]

I searched for a comparison on the rec.aviation.soaring site for a
comparison between ClearNav and an LX 9000, but didn't find anything
directly comparing the two (I apologize if I somehow missed it). I'm
finalizing plans for a panel for a new glider and would be grateful
for any advice from users of these two flight computers (LX 8000 users
too) who have thoughts to share about the choice between them.

Mitch Polinsky
(for private replies)
(650) 224-5851 cell (if you prefer to call; I'm on west coast time)

[johngalloway[_2_]]

On Aug 28, 11:39*pm, Mitch Polinsky > wrote:
> I searched for a comparison on the rec.aviation.soaring site for a
> comparison between ClearNav and an LX 9000, but didn't find anything
> directly comparing the two (I apologize if I somehow missed it). *I'm
> finalizing plans for a panel for a new glider and would be grateful
> for any advice from users of these two flight computers (LX 8000 users
> too) who have thoughts to share about the choice between them.
>
> Mitch Polinsky
> (for private replies)
> (650) 224-5851 cell (if you prefer to call; I'm on west coast time)

Mitch, I haven't used either system but have a similar decision to
make.

I choose the LX 9000 for a new glider because it has an included fully
developed proven variometer and because the options to integrate Flarm
(later PowerFlarm I understand), an artificial horizon, and a compass
into the system saves a lot of the panel space that is lost by having
the large display. Also I like SeeYou Mobile of which the 9000 uses
an adapted version.

A friend who is planning to add to his current glider chooses the
ClearNav display because he prefers the display and software and
because he already has an artificial horizon, a Flarm, a compass and a
Cambridge 302 to drive the ClearNav display and he can mount the
display on an arm like a big PDA. He hopes that the ClearNav vario
will be a success and that he will be able to replace the 302 with it
when it is proven.

John Galloway

[Morteza Ansari]

I am also very interested in hearing actual experience with either of
these systems.

Another one that seems like a pretty interesting option is the new LX
Navigation's MiniMapPro.


On Aug 28, 3:39*pm, Mitch Polinsky > wrote:
> I searched for a comparison on the rec.aviation.soaring site for a
> comparison between ClearNav and an LX 9000, but didn't find anything
> directly comparing the two (I apologize if I somehow missed it). *I'm
> finalizing plans for a panel for a new glider and would be grateful
> for any advice from users of these two flight computers (LX 8000 users
> too) who have thoughts to share about the choice between them.
>
> Mitch Polinsky
> (for private replies)
> (650) 224-5851 cell (if you prefer to call; I'm on west coast time)

[PCool]

It is interesting to note, and visible in the LX Navigation brochure, that
the software adopted for MiniMap is.. LK 8000 .
It does look like an LX 8000, in fact. But it is not!


>Another one that seems like a pretty interesting option is the new LX
>Navigation's MiniMapPro.

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

On 9/2/2011 4:14 PM, PCool wrote:
>
> It is interesting to note, and visible in the LX Navigation brochure,
> that the software adopted for MiniMap is.. LK 8000 .
> It does look like an LX 8000, in fact. But it is not!
>
>
>> Another one that seems like a pretty interesting option is the new LX
>> Navigation's MiniMapPro.

According to the LX website...

Running programs: SeeYou Mobile (PNA version), Winpilot (PNA
version), Strepla, Pocket FMS
Free ware programs: LK8000, XCsoar

So, lots of choices for the unit.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Feb/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://tinyurl.com/yb3xywl
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation Mar/2004" Much of what
you need to know tinyurl.com/yfs7tnz

[PCool]

That's the old MiniMap, Eric. The MiniMap Pro is a different thing
http://www.lxnavigation.si/avionics/
in fact its box is very very similar to the LX8000 box, having knobs and
buttons.
Of course being based on CE it can run anything, like the MiniMap.
However just look at their pictures..

p

"Eric Greenwell" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
On 9/2/2011 4:14 PM, PCool wrote:

According to the LX website...

Running programs: SeeYou Mobile (PNA version), Winpilot (PNA
version), Strepla, Pocket FMS
Free ware programs: LK8000, XCsoar

So, lots of choices for the unit.

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

On 9/2/2011 4:14 PM, PCool wrote:
>
> It is interesting to note, and visible in the LX Navigation brochure,
> that the software adopted for MiniMap is.. LK 8000 .
> It does look like an LX 8000, in fact. But it is not!
>
>
>> Another one that seems like a pretty interesting option is the new LX
>> Navigation's MiniMapPro.

An interesting variation, but it still sounds like they do not intend to
limit it to one software solution. From their PDF brochure:

"Suggested navigation SW is LX version of LK 8000 (derivate of XCsoar)"

"SeeYou Mobile can be also used as a navigation SW solution."

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)

[Michael Clarke]

At 03:36 04 September 2011, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>On 9/2/2011 4:14 PM, PCool wrote:
>>
>> It is interesting to note, and visible in the LX Navigation brochure,
>> that the software adopted for MiniMap is.. LK 8000 .
>> It does look like an LX 8000, in fact. But it is not!
>>
>>
>>> Another one that seems like a pretty interesting option is the new LX
>>> Navigation's MiniMapPro.
>
>An interesting variation, but it still sounds like they do not intend to
>limit it to one software solution. From their PDF brochure:
>
>"Suggested navigation SW is LX version of LK 8000 (derivate of XCsoar)"
>
>"SeeYou Mobile can be also used as a navigation SW solution."
>
>--
>Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
>email me)

I am running an LX8000 with stick controller, flarm, voice and the AH
module, with the LX Navigation (not LX Nav) vario. I have just installed an
LX Mini Map as an additional screen running off the LX8000 output. There
are a couple of pictures of my panel on

http://www.lxavionics.co.uk/variometers.htm

I am running the latest beta version of LK8000 (LPCool's work) so it is an
interesting comparison to the LX8000. The whole LX8000 system is superb,
and the screen is very bright and clear. I just wish I had room for the
LX9000. The LX Mini Map display is far better than any PDA or PNA I have
used or seen, but as a touch screen it is not as bright as the LX8000.
However, it is very daylight useable and LK8000 runs well on it.

What I particularly like about the LX8000 is the ability to edit the
existing screens and program up new screens to do virtually anything you
want. LK8000 has some scope for tailoring the data and the display, but the
LX8000 is very good indeed for this. The airspace warnings on the LX8000
are excellent, at the moment not at this level on the LK8000 but as a new
user I have noted how much development continues to take place on the
LK8000 system and I expect this to improve further.

Mike

[Ben Flewett[_2_]]

I run an LX8000 with all the bolt on bits including the AHRS for cloud
flying.
I have also flown a fair bit with the Clearnav. I must preface this
posting
by acknowledging you will always prefer the instrument you are most
experienced with.

For me the LX is definitely the better product. It seems to be a more
mature product in terms of funtionality, useability and asthetics. The
screen
readability in the sun is also superiour. More importantly, it is almost
completely free from all those little bugs that you only trip over once in
a
while. For example, the Clearnav has a habit of over lapping boxes on the
screen so you cant read the data (perhaps there is a way to fix this but I

couldnt find it quickly and easily).

The LX is also excellent for competition work and the support from the
factory is good.

Obviously, the LX is not a cheap solution but I have never regretted
spending the extra money - it is a truely excellent product.

Hope that helps.

Ben




At 12:13 04 September 2011, Michael Clarke wrote:
>At 03:36 04 September 2011, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>>On 9/2/2011 4:14 PM, PCool wrote:
>>>
>>> It is interesting to note, and visible in the LX Navigation brochure,
>>> that the software adopted for MiniMap is.. LK 8000 .
>>> It does look like an LX 8000, in fact. But it is not!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Another one that seems like a pretty interesting option is the new LX
>>>> Navigation's MiniMapPro.
>>
>>An interesting variation, but it still sounds like they do not intend to

>>limit it to one software solution. From their PDF brochure:
>>
>>"Suggested navigation SW is LX version of LK 8000 (derivate of XCsoar)"
>>
>>"SeeYou Mobile can be also used as a navigation SW solution."
>>
>>--
>>Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
>>email me)
>
>I am running an LX8000 with stick controller, flarm, voice and the AH
>module, with the LX Navigation (not LX Nav) vario. I have just installed
an
>LX Mini Map as an additional screen running off the LX8000 output. There
>are a couple of pictures of my panel on
>
>http://www.lxavionics.co.uk/variometers.htm
>
>I am running the latest beta version of LK8000 (LPCool's work) so it is
an
>interesting comparison to the LX8000. The whole LX8000 system is
superb,
>and the screen is very bright and clear. I just wish I had room for the
>LX9000. The LX Mini Map display is far better than any PDA or PNA I have
>used or seen, but as a touch screen it is not as bright as the LX8000.
>However, it is very daylight useable and LK8000 runs well on it.
>
>What I particularly like about the LX8000 is the ability to edit the
>existing screens and program up new screens to do virtually anything you
>want. LK8000 has some scope for tailoring the data and the display, but
the
>LX8000 is very good indeed for this. The airspace warnings on the LX8000
>are excellent, at the moment not at this level on the LK8000 but as a new
>user I have noted how much development continues to take place on the
>LK8000 system and I expect this to improve further.
>
>Mike
>
>
>
>
>

[PCool]

Hello Mike

>"Michael Clarke" > ha
>scritto nel messaggio news:4e636bc8$0$26623
http://www.lxavionics.co.uk/variometers.htm

what a beautiful cockpit you have!! You do have LCD aboard, in those pics!!
I too have an LX8000 on the club DuoDiscus and I like the Airspace system.
I am still working on the airspace functionalities on LK, in fact.

One of the big misteries for us not having ever seen a MiniMap in direct
sunlight is to discover its visibility.
Since you do have these units Mike, would you try and make some pics of them
in a bright sunny day?
I know it's hard to get one now (sunny days I mean) but in my life I could
only see one MiniMap last year in an hangar during the winter.
1000 cd seems a lot to me, but of course also the LCD coating makes the
difference under sunlight.

thanks
best!
Paolo