One more confirmation

[Glenn[_2_]]

These are CH-53 Sea Stallions ....
Right ?

Thanks in advance

[Robert[_4_]]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 22:25:59 +1100, "Glenn" >
wrote:

>These are CH-53 Sea Stallions ....
>Right ?
>
>Thanks in advance


Yes, one or another variant of the Sikorsky S-65 (Sea Stallion) or
S-80 (Super Stallion), aka CH-53.

[Glenn[_2_]]

"Robert" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 22:25:59 +1100, "Glenn" >
> wrote:
>
>>These are CH-53 Sea Stallions ....
>>Right ?
>>
>>Thanks in advance
>
>
> Yes, one or another variant of the Sikorsky S-65 (Sea Stallion) or
> S-80 (Super Stallion), aka CH-53.

Ta, it would be nice if they could just stick with a name hey :-)
Now I have to get used to not calling a Hornet a Hornet.
and now everything seems to be a Boeing. :-)

[John Szalay[_2_]]

"Glenn" > wrote in news:4d68e318$0$29982$c3e8da3
:

> These are CH-53 Sea Stallions ....
> Right ?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Attachment decoded: IMG_9416 copy.jpg
> ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CBD604.24F99220--


Yep

the two asset numbers I can read

HC017 BuNo 153286 AAHC0017 Sikorsky CH-53A Sea Stallion

HC0018 Buno 153706 AAHC0018 Sikorsky CH-53A Sea Stallion

[Chunbala]

John Szalay <john.szalayATatt.net> wrote in
42:

> "Glenn" > wrote in news:4d68e318$0$29982
$c3e8da3
> :
>
>> These are CH-53 Sea Stallions ....
>> Right ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Attachment decoded: IMG_9416 copy.jpg
>> ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CBD604.24F99220--
>
>
> Yep
>
> the two asset numbers I can read
>
> HC017 BuNo 153286 AAHC0017 Sikorsky CH-53A Sea Stallion
>
> HC0018 Buno 153706 AAHC0018 Sikorsky CH-53A Sea Stallion
>
>
>

Hi!

Just out of curiosity... What happens to these sad planes' and
helicopters' carcasses.

Several times have seem that plane cemitery somewhere in the desert...

They just left them there to be rusted and turned to dust? Althought
some metals used in them do not "rust"...

And what happens with all the avionics and engines?

Thanks in advance.

[John Szalay[_2_]]

Chunbala > wrote in
>>
>
> Hi!
>
> Just out of curiosity... What happens to these sad planes' and
> helicopters' carcasses.
>

as long as the aircraft of the same type are still in service, they will
keep the in the yard and use them for parts, until they are out-dated,
then the remains are de-milled and sold as scrap to certified scrap metal
dealers. even then, the remains are tracked until they are reduced to bits
& pieces usally by griding machines.
there are some parts that can be purchased .
some aircraft such as the F-14 MUST now be completely handled by special
demill units to insure that nothing of value can be sold except as complete
SCRAP.

Non-combat aircraft can be sold to certified companies for reuse in some
cases.
..
some parts are available for resale, I had the name of a company that sold
them got a friend that was a B-52 gunner and he wanted a tail-gunners seat
from an early model B-52, for his rec-room. , he called them, but, no luck
so far.. he's still looking for one..

I've watched them feed several planes to the smelters. it is sad to see.

[Chunbala]

John Szalay <john.szalayATatt.net> wrote in
42:

> Chunbala > wrote in
>>>
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Just out of curiosity... What happens to these sad planes' and
>> helicopters' carcasses.
>>
>
> as long as the aircraft of the same type are still in service, they
> will
> keep the in the yard and use them for parts, until they are
> out-dated, then the remains are de-milled and sold as scrap to
> certified scrap metal dealers. even then, the remains are tracked
> until they are reduced to bits & pieces usally by griding machines.
> there are some parts that can be purchased .
> some aircraft such as the F-14 MUST now be completely handled by
> special demill units to insure that nothing of value can be sold
> except as complete SCRAP.
>
> Non-combat aircraft can be sold to certified companies for reuse in
> some
> cases.
> .
> some parts are available for resale, I had the name of a company that
> sold them got a friend that was a B-52 gunner and he wanted a
> tail-gunners seat from an early model B-52, for his rec-room. , he
> called them, but, no luck so far.. he's still looking for one..
>
> I've watched them feed several planes to the smelters. it is sad to
> see.
>
>
>
>
>

Thanks for the info.

It's just an "eco" curiosity and concern.

In the past the planes are just iron and steel... so you could just
throw everything in one piece inside a furnace and don't have to worry
about it.

Today, you use some exotic metals and non-metals, to reduce weight,
increase resistance and reduce radar profile.

So... you can,t just throw it in one piece inside a furnace... if you
still want to use what will come out of it...

[Glenn[_2_]]

>>
>
> as long as the aircraft of the same type are still in service, they will
> keep the in the yard and use them for parts, until they are out-dated,
> then the remains are de-milled and sold as scrap to certified scrap metal
> dealers. even then, the remains are tracked until they are reduced to bits
> & pieces usally by griding machines.
> there are some parts that can be purchased .
> some aircraft such as the F-14 MUST now be completely handled by special
> demill units to insure that nothing of value can be sold except as
> complete
> SCRAP.
>
> Non-combat aircraft can be sold to certified companies for reuse in some
> cases.
> .
> some parts are available for resale, I had the name of a company that sold
> them got a friend that was a B-52 gunner and he wanted a tail-gunners seat
> from an early model B-52, for his rec-room. , he called them, but, no luck
> so far.. he's still looking for one..
>
> I've watched them feed several planes to the smelters. it is sad to see.
>
I'm told that all the F-14 aircraft are now razor blades.
That from a very reliable source.

[John Szalay[_2_]]

Dr. Bill > wrote in ne.
>
> I read somewhere (yeah right...) about the A-7 being removed from
> mothballs years ago, rebuilt, and shipped to our friends overseas.
>
>


Happens all the time, If you read the base newspaper , you can sometimes
get the serial, type and where its going.. or whats being worked on.

http://www.dm.af.mil/units/amarc.asp

http://www.dm.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-090317-063.pdf


and for parts as well !

http://www.dm.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-090408-059.pdf

[John Szalay[_2_]]

"Glenn" > wrote in
>>
> I'm told that all the F-14 aircraft are now razor blades.
> That from a very reliable source.
>
>


Its what I have heard as well,
except for the approx- 88 De-milled ones in museums
they don,t want the Iranians to get ANY parts for the Tom-Cat at all so
IIRC: even those have been stripped of any useable parts..

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/680195918/US-to-shred-F-14s-deny-Iran-
any-parts.html

[Bob Moore]

"Glenn" wrote
> I'm told that all the F-14 aircraft are now razor blades.
> That from a very reliable source.

I'm not sure that I would want to use a razor blade made
from aluminum. :) :)

Bob Moore

[Bob (not my real pseudonym)]

On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 14:44:17 -0600, John Szalay <john.szalayATatt.net>
wrote:

>"Glenn" > wrote in
>>>
>> I'm told that all the F-14 aircraft are now razor blades.
>> That from a very reliable source.
>>
>>
>
>
> Its what I have heard as well,
> except for the approx- 88 De-milled ones in museums
>they don,t want the Iranians to get ANY parts for the Tom-Cat at all so
>IIRC: even those have been stripped of any useable parts..
>
>http://www.deseretnews.com/article/680195918/US-to-shred-F-14s-deny-Iran-
>any-parts.html

We have one of the 88 at Seattle's Museum of Flight. Repainted by the
museum; not sure it ever wore this scheme in real life, it was in the
barfy 'tactical gray' scheme when it arrived.

Bob ^,,^

[Glenn[_2_]]

:-( I've had to pull my leg of the trip to Seattle. Wont be able to fit in
everything I want to do.
although, if the snow keeps falling, I may not be able to drive from Wyoming
to Masachusettes so may have to look at doing Seattle :-)

But I really want to do the drive across the top.


"Bob (not my real pseudonym)" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 14:44:17 -0600, John Szalay <john.szalayATatt.net>
> wrote:
>
>>"Glenn" > wrote in
>>>>
>>> I'm told that all the F-14 aircraft are now razor blades.
>>> That from a very reliable source.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Its what I have heard as well,
>> except for the approx- 88 De-milled ones in museums
>>they don,t want the Iranians to get ANY parts for the Tom-Cat at all so
>>IIRC: even those have been stripped of any useable parts..
>>
>>http://www.deseretnews.com/article/680195918/US-to-shred-F-14s-deny-Iran-
>>any-parts.html
>
> We have one of the 88 at Seattle's Museum of Flight. Repainted by the
> museum; not sure it ever wore this scheme in real life, it was in the
> barfy 'tactical gray' scheme when it arrived.
>
> Bob ^,,^
>
>

[Bob (not my real pseudonym)]

On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 21:36:38 +1100, "Glenn" >
wrote:

>:-( I've had to pull my leg of the trip to Seattle. Wont be able to fit in
>everything I want to do.
>although, if the snow keeps falling, I may not be able to drive from Wyoming
>to Masachusettes so may have to look at doing Seattle :-)
>
>But I really want to do the drive across the top.

We are the last bastion against the Canoodlian hordes!

We've been skirting with late winter snow in the region this week,
too. Virtually nothing in the city, but as much as 16" just a few
miles out of town. May not be done yet, but...

[Mr. Frugal]

Dr. Bill > wrote in
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OK, I give up!

[Savageduck[_3_]]

On 2011-03-01 18:44:56 -0800, Mr. Frugal said:

> Dr. Bill > wrote in
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> OK, I give up!
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> <image>

Well, looking at the Tillamook Air Museum web site and the list of AC
in their collection, it seems what you have there is F14A, BuNo. 159848.
< http://www.tillamookair.com/html/air_craft_list.html >
< http://www.f-14association.com/display-159848.htm >

Now as to whether this is a static display, or not I have not been able
to find out. I suspect Tillamook would be able to provide that info.
All I can tell you is, this AC never passed through AMARC.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Savageduck[_3_]]

On 2011-03-01 20:48:09 -0800, Savageduck said:

> On 2011-03-01 18:44:56 -0800, Mr. Frugal said:
>
>> Dr. Bill > wrote in
>> :
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>>
>> OK, I give up!
>>
>> <image>
>
> Well, looking at the Tillamook Air Museum web site and the list of AC
> in their collection, it seems what you have there is F14A, BuNo. 159848.
> < http://www.tillamookair.com/html/air_craft_list.html >
> < http://www.f-14association.com/display-159848.htm >
>
> Now as to whether this is a static display, or not I have not been able
> to find out. I suspect Tillamook would be able to provide that info.
> All I can tell you is, this AC never passed through AMARC.

BTW: the example of F14B at our local Estrella War Bird Museum, in
Paso Robles, was flown in, and is still currently listed as a static
display.
< http://ewarbirds.org/f14-tomcat.html >



--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Hans Holbein]

Am 02.03.2011 03:44, schrieb Mr. Frugal:
> Dr. Bill > wrote in
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> OK, I give up!
>
Iranian Secret Midgets on Recce Mission.

[Savageduck[_3_]]

On 2011-03-01 18:44:56 -0800, Mr. Frugal said:

> Dr. Bill > wrote in
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> OK, I give up!
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> <image>

Aagh! What was I thinking?
Now that I really see what you were getting at, I have to admit I am
somewhat baffled. I guess the answer lies in one of two places,
Yillamook AM, or Bill Proffitt, where ever he might be.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Bob (not my real pseudonym)]

On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 07:58:55 +0100, Hans Holbein >
wrote:

>Am 02.03.2011 03:44, schrieb Mr. Frugal:
>> Dr. Bill > wrote in
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>> OK, I give up!
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>Iranian Secret Midgets on Recce Mission.

RQ-¼ Petite Predator

[Bob (not my real pseudonym)]

On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 23:40:50 -0800, Savageduck
> wrote:

>On 2011-03-01 18:44:56 -0800, Mr. Frugal said:
>
>> Dr. Bill > wrote in
>> :
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>>
>>
>> OK, I give up!
>>
>> <image>
>
>Aagh! What was I thinking?
>Now that I really see what you were getting at, I have to admit I am
>somewhat baffled. I guess the answer lies in one of two places,
>Yillamook AM, or Bill Proffitt, where ever he might be.

Somewhere there's a kidlet screaming for his lost toy glider...

[Glenn[_2_]]

"John Szalay" <john.szalayATatt.net> wrote in message
42...
> Dr. Bill > wrote in ne.
>>
>> I read somewhere (yeah right...) about the A-7 being removed from
>> mothballs years ago, rebuilt, and shipped to our friends overseas.
>>


Hey, that's how we got our spare F-111's :-)