cheap, durable, homebuilt aircrafts- myth or truth?

[-=:|SAJAN|:=-]

Well as far as i know the concept of home homebuilt aircraft is very
vague because it would work only the aircraft controls are very easy
to understand or a person building it a pilot himself, else, either
the aircraft would crash or it wouldn't take-off. The second thing is
that if they are factory made then such aircrafts would be too costly
to be owned by a common man. Is there really any cheap and durable
homebuilt aircraft?

[RR Urban]

(-=:|SAJAN|:=-) wrote:

>Well as far as i know the concept of home homebuilt aircraft is very
>vague because it would work only the aircraft controls are very easy
>to understand or a person building it a pilot himself, else, either
>the aircraft would crash or it wouldn't take-off. The second thing is
>that if they are factory made then such aircrafts would be too costly
>to be owned by a common man. Is there really any cheap and durable
>homebuilt aircraft?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

A USED certified aircraft is the USA is USUALLY cheaper to
purchase than constructing an equivalent NEW homebuilt.

One can USUALLY buy a used homebuilt cheaper than
a comparable one can be built new.

CAUTION:
Before you take me to task for my statements.....
be sure to read carefully for full understanding.


Barnyard BOb -- almost common man

[Larry Smith]

"-=:|SAJAN|:=-" > wrote in message
m...
> Well as far as i know the concept of home homebuilt aircraft is very
> vague because it would work only the aircraft controls are very easy
> to understand or a person building it a pilot himself, else, either
> the aircraft would crash or it wouldn't take-off. The second thing is
> that if they are factory made then such aircrafts would be too costly
> to be owned by a common man. Is there really any cheap and durable
> homebuilt aircraft?

They are no less durable than factory-built aircraft.

[Larry Smith]

"RR Urban" > wrote in message
...
>
> (-=:|SAJAN|:=-) wrote:
>
> >Well as far as i know the concept of home homebuilt aircraft is very
> >vague because it would work only the aircraft controls are very easy
> >to understand or a person building it a pilot himself, else, either
> >the aircraft would crash or it wouldn't take-off. The second thing is
> >that if they are factory made then such aircrafts would be too costly
> >to be owned by a common man. Is there really any cheap and durable
> >homebuilt aircraft?
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> A USED certified aircraft is the USA is USUALLY cheaper to
> purchase than constructing an equivalent NEW homebuilt.
>
> One can USUALLY buy a used homebuilt cheaper than
> a comparable one can be built new.
>

How about a cheap, dusty, corroded RV3 kit with chickens and rats nesting in
it? How much would THAT be worth?

[Larry Smith]

"-=:|SAJAN|:=-" > wrote in message
m...

Would you be related to -=:{Kaye}:=-?

[Robert Bonomi]

In article >,
Larry Smith > wrote:
>
>"RR Urban" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> (-=:|SAJAN|:=-) wrote:
>>
>> >Well as far as i know the concept of home homebuilt aircraft is very
>> >vague because it would work only the aircraft controls are very easy
>> >to understand or a person building it a pilot himself, else, either
>> >the aircraft would crash or it wouldn't take-off. The second thing is
>> >that if they are factory made then such aircrafts would be too costly
>> >to be owned by a common man. Is there really any cheap and durable
>> >homebuilt aircraft?
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> A USED certified aircraft is the USA is USUALLY cheaper to
>> purchase than constructing an equivalent NEW homebuilt.
>>
>> One can USUALLY buy a used homebuilt cheaper than
>> a comparable one can be built new.
>>
>
>How about a cheap, dusty, corroded RV3 kit with chickens and rats nesting in
>it? How much would THAT be worth?

_MORE_ than that cheap, dusty, corroded RV3 kit _without) the chickens and
rats nesting in it. After all, there is fertilizer value in their byproducts.


*guffaw*

[-=:|SAJAN|:=-]

Well Barnyard BOb it seems that there really are some USED and
certified cheap aircrafts. But can you really tell me how much they
cost or any website where i can find info on this. Coz i m really
interested in buying one (in the future of course).
-=:|SAJAN|:=-

[Ron Wanttaja]

On 28 Dec 2003 01:26:51 -0800, (-=:|SAJAN|:=-)
wrote:

>Well as far as i know the concept of home homebuilt aircraft is very
>vague because it would work only the aircraft controls are very easy
>to understand or a person building it a pilot himself, else, either
>the aircraft would crash or it wouldn't take-off.

Homebuilt aircraft are designed to be flown by trained pilots. Over the
past 100 years, standards have been developed for how aircraft controls
work, and, with very few exceptions, homebuilt aircraft controls work
exactly the same way.

If a person does not have a pilot's license, he or she should obtain the
proper training before flying their homebuilt aircraft...and, in my
opinion, should gain that training before starting to build the aircraft.

>The second thing is
>that if they are factory made then such aircrafts would be too costly
>to be owned by a common man. Is there really any cheap and durable
>homebuilt aircraft?

The high cost of a factory aircraft stems from two particulars: The labor
cost of assembly, and the high cost of dedicated aircraft engines.

The labor cost issue is the foundation of the homebuilt movement. Instead
of, essentially, paying a company to assemble an aircraft from raw
material, the homebuilder does all this labor himself.

In many cases, the materials and methods used to build the plane are
identical to those used to build production aircraft. Hence, the
durability should be the same, *providing* the builder of the aircraft
demonstrates the same level of expertise as the factory workers assembling
the production planes. This is not difficult to achieve, and many
homebuilt aircraft include extra design margin to allow for
less-than-perfect workmanship.

Another way to compensate for workmanship problems is to produce the
homebuilt aircraft design as a kit. For instance, instead of having the
builder buy raw aluminum and cut out the parts, some homebuilt kit
companies provide pre-cut and pre-drilled parts. Unfortunately, the cost
of performing these tasks is then passed to the homebuilder in the form of
a higher kit price.

Some homebuilt aircraft designs are intended to be built in an absolute
minimum amount of time with an absolute minimum cost. In these cases,
durability of the design may not be equivalent to that of a production
aircraft, due to simplified construction procedures and less-than-optimal
materials.

To paraphrase a common saying: "Build Fast, Build Durable, Build
Cheaply...pick any two."

As I mentioned earlier, the other major cost factor for production aircraft
is the cost of the engine. Production aircraft are required to use engines
that have passed extensive requirements and have obtained government
certification. Since relatively few of these engines are built every year,
their per-unit cost is quite high...they *start* in the $25,000 range.

Homebuilders have alternatives than can lower the cost of the aircraft.
While the cost of new certified engines is high, used examples can often be
found for a lot less money. In addition, homebuilders can take more-common
engines, such as those used in automobiles, and convert them for use in
their aircraft.

When the homebuilders use certified engines, the durability of the engine
is practically the same as that of production aircraft ("practically,"
since it does depend upon the builder's workmanship when installing the
engine). Many people have had good results with engines not designed for
aircraft, but there are usually "teething pains" involved in such
installations.

Homebuilts can be significantly cheaper than production aircraft.
Durability of the homebuilt can be the same, but this requires attention on
behalf of the builder and raises the costs slightly.

Keep in mind that *all* aircraft require periodic attention to maintain
their durability. All types of aircraft, if neglected, can develop the
corrosion and other problems that can affect durability and safety.

In my particular case, I've got a 22-year-old wooden homebuilt with a
certified engine, and it's doing nicely (bar a recent episode of dry rot in
the tail post). I've got one friend with a thirty-year-old aluminum
homebuilt who's doing fine. Another recently completed the restoration of
a fifty-year-old aluminum four-seat homebuilt, and the work he performed
was primarily elimination of corrosion. Not unexpected, when no interior
corrosion-protection was performed when the aircraft was built....

Ron Wanttaja

[Gilan]

this is a joke right???
you have to be kidding aren't you???
if you don't know about all the homebuilt kit planes you have to be a
complete idiot.
--
Have a good day and stay out of the trees!
See ya on Sport Aircraft group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/

"-=:|SAJAN|:=-" > wrote in message
m...
> Well as far as i know the concept of home homebuilt aircraft is very
> vague because it would work only the aircraft controls are very easy
> to understand or a person building it a pilot himself, else, either
> the aircraft would crash or it wouldn't take-off. The second thing is
> that if they are factory made then such aircrafts would be too costly
> to be owned by a common man. Is there really any cheap and durable
> homebuilt aircraft?

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 05:21:04 GMT, "Gilan" > wrote:
>"-=:|SAJAN|:=-" > wrote in message
m...
>> Well as far as i know the concept of home homebuilt aircraft is very
>> vague because it would work only the aircraft controls are very easy
>> to understand or a person building it a pilot himself, else, either
>> the aircraft would crash or it wouldn't take-off. The second thing is
>> that if they are factory made then such aircrafts would be too costly
>> to be owned by a common man. Is there really any cheap and durable
>> homebuilt aircraft?
>
>this is a joke right???
>you have to be kidding aren't you???
>if you don't know about all the homebuilt kit planes you have to be a
>complete idiot.

Or someone from a country without an established homebuilt aircraft
movement. Note the ".in" domain in the poster's address...I suspect the
poster is from India.

Ron Wanttaja

[Larry Smith]

"Gilan" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> this is a joke right???
> you have to be kidding aren't you???
> if you don't know about all the homebuilt kit planes you have to be a
> complete idiot.

He's from India, maybe? So why not cut him some slack. It's just a
matter of time before BYB emerges from his cave with a cudgel and attacks.

> --
> Have a good day and stay out of the trees!
> See ya on Sport Aircraft group
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/
>
> "-=:|SAJAN|:=-" > wrote in message
> m...
> > Well as far as i know the concept of home homebuilt aircraft is very
> > vague because it would work only the aircraft controls are very easy
> > to understand or a person building it a pilot himself, else, either
> > the aircraft would crash or it wouldn't take-off. The second thing is
> > that if they are factory made then such aircrafts would be too costly
> > to be owned by a common man. Is there really any cheap and durable
> > homebuilt aircraft?
>
>

[RobertR237]

In article >, Ron Wanttaja
> writes:

>
>Or someone from a country without an established homebuilt aircraft
>movement. Note the ".in" domain in the poster's address...I suspect the
>poster is from India.
>
>Ron Wanttaja
>
>

Now that would explain it!


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

[-=:|SAJAN|:=-]

Ron Wanttaja thanx for that full fledged explanation. It was really
enlightening. Thanx again.:-)
-=:|SAJAN|:=-
and yes someone guessed it right i m from INDIA.

[pacplyer]

"Gilan" > wrote in message t>...
> this is a joke right???
> you have to be kidding aren't you???
> if you don't know about all the homebuilt kit planes you have to be a
> complete idiot.
> --

Well t-h-a-n-k y-o-u, Mr. Ugly American for putting a legitimate
posters question down in flames. I have no doubt, "Gilligan," you
have never been out of the U.S, let alone India, or you wouldn't have
posted anything like this. How old are you anyway?

-=:|SAJAN|:=- , I would like to apologize for my moronic countryman's
(Gilan's) senseless attack on you. I was in Mumbi a couple of years
ago, struggling with the government's ATC there. They still seem
determined to keep foreign commercial air traffic at a standstill. Do
they allow many experimentals to fly there?

Best wishes,

pacplyer

[sean trost]

Would have to agree with pac on this. Sorry about the moron Sajan.
all the best
Sean

pacplyer wrote:
> "Gilan" > wrote in message t>...
>
>>this is a joke right???
>>you have to be kidding aren't you???
>>if you don't know about all the homebuilt kit planes you have to be a
>>complete idiot.
>>--
>
>
> Well t-h-a-n-k y-o-u, Mr. Ugly American for putting a legitimate
> posters question down in flames. I have no doubt, "Gilligan," you
> have never been out of the U.S, let alone India, or you wouldn't have
> posted anything like this. How old are you anyway?
>
> -=:|SAJAN|:=- , I would like to apologize for my moronic countryman's
> (Gilan's) senseless attack on you. I was in Mumbi a couple of years
> ago, struggling with the government's ATC there. They still seem
> determined to keep foreign commercial air traffic at a standstill. Do
> they allow many experimentals to fly there?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> pacplyer

[Darrel Toepfer]

"sean trost" > wrote...
> pacplyer > wrote:
> > "Gilan" > wrote...
> >
> >>this is a joke right???
> >>you have to be kidding aren't you???
> >>if you don't know about all the homebuilt kit planes you have to be a
> >>complete idiot.
> >
> > Well t-h-a-n-k y-o-u, Mr. Ugly American for putting a legitimate
> > posters question down in flames. I have no doubt, "Gilligan," you
> > have never been out of the U.S, let alone India, or you wouldn't have
> > posted anything like this. How old are you anyway?
> >
> > -=:|SAJAN|:=- , I would like to apologize for my moronic countryman's
> > (Gilan's) senseless attack on you. I was in Mumbi a couple of years
> > ago, struggling with the government's ATC there. They still seem
> > determined to keep foreign commercial air traffic at a standstill. Do
> > they allow many experimentals to fly there?
>
> Would have to agree with pac on this. Sorry about the moron Sajan.
> all the best

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[-=:|SAJAN|:=-]

> "sean trost" > wrote...
> > pacplyer > wrote:

> > >
> > >>this is a joke right???
> > >>you have to be kidding aren't you???
> > >>if you don't know about all the homebuilt kit planes you have to be a
> > >>complete idiot.
> > >
> > > Well t-h-a-n-k y-o-u, Mr. Ugly American for putting a legitimate
> > > posters question down in flames. I have no doubt, "Gilligan," you
> > > have never been out of the U.S, let alone India, or you wouldn't have
> > > posted anything like this. How old are you anyway?
> > >
> > > -=:|SAJAN|:=- , I would like to apologize for my moronic countryman's
> > > (Gilan's) senseless attack on you. I was in Mumbi a couple of years
> > > ago, struggling with the government's ATC there. They still seem
> > > determined to keep foreign commercial air traffic at a standstill. Do
> > > they allow many experimentals to fly there?
> >
> > Would have to agree with pac on this. Sorry about the moron Sajan.
> > all the best

Well thanx sean n "pacplyer" (i wonder what it means). Thanx for
showing ur concern. Now i think i should be in america to buy a mini
aircraft. Still i think that someday i wud own one. There was a news
in the papers on 27th Dec that the government has started allowing
some private individuals n flying clubs to fly their private aircrafts
at the domestic airport in Mumbai. I dont think they allow Foreign
individuals or any experimentals to fly right now. But they soon
will(thats what i think). I think that answers ur question. Thanx
again.
-=:|SAJAN|:=-

[Lou Parker]

RR Urban > wrote in message >...
> (-=:|SAJAN|:=-) wrote:
>
> >Well as far as i know the concept of home homebuilt aircraft is very
> >vague because it would work only the aircraft controls are very easy
> >to understand or a person building it a pilot himself, else, either
> >the aircraft would crash or it wouldn't take-off. The second thing is
> >that if they are factory made then such aircrafts would be too costly
> >to be owned by a common man. Is there really any cheap and durable
> >homebuilt aircraft?
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> A USED certified aircraft is the USA is USUALLY cheaper to
> purchase than constructing an equivalent NEW homebuilt.
>
> One can USUALLY buy a used homebuilt cheaper than
> a comparable one can be built new.
>
> CAUTION:
> Before you take me to task for my statements.....
> be sure to read carefully for full understanding.
>
>
> Barnyard BOb -- almost common man



This statement isn't exactly true. As per usual Bob didn't do his
homework. Yes you can buy a used, certified aircraft for less then
completing most homebuilt kits. Example, I can buy a mid 60's Cessna
150 for appox. $18-20,000 and fly today. But look at what you get, a
powerplant that is 40 years old, been rebuilt at least twice or more,
and timed out. Add $15,000 within 2 years. Seats that are worn to the
point of replacement, at least one instument will need replacing
immediatly, and one at a time within the next few years will need
repair or replacement. Although the person selling the plane will tell
you "all a/d's have been done, it has been my experience that there is
always one not done. Not to mention what was missed "accidently" on
the last anual. I hope you get the point. After 4-5 years of building
a plane, you have a brand new plane that will probebly last you a
lifetime. Own a 40 year old trainer for 5 years and tell me you spent
less money and have any thing worth what a 5 year old, one owner plane
is worth.

[RU ok]

(Lou Parker) wrote:

>This statement isn't exactly true. As per usual Bob didn't do his
>homework.
======================================

<wry smile>

Isn't it ducky to know that Mr. Parker has the market
cornered on truth, justice and the American way?

Happy New year to all.....
even the petty malevolents that cannot resist one
last cheap at Unka BOb before the year closes out.
Surely, Lou is seen as a much bigger man for it.


Barnyard BOb --
The more people I meet,
the more I love my dog
and George Carlin humor.

[BllFs6]

okay...

before time runs out!

unka bob....your fat :)

there....with only 13 hours left!

I love ya unka bob!

take care

Blll

[Larry Smith]

"RU ok" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> (Lou Parker) wrote:
>
> >This statement isn't exactly true. As per usual Bob didn't do his
> >homework.
> ======================================
>
> <wry smile>
>
> Isn't it ducky to know that Mr. Parker has the market
> cornered on truth, justice and the American way?

He's right. Certified parts and keeping an aircraft certified requires
outrageous costs. But with an experimental you can still do it safely and
reasonably. And not get shaken down in the process. If I had to use a
Dukes or Weldon boost pump with my injected Continental, it would cost me at
least $800. I'll use one from the automotive suppliers, for $30 or so.
Mr. Parker is a ducky, and keen-thinking, sort of a guy.

And Mr. Bonomi is funny.

>
> Happy New year to all.....
> even the petty malevolents that cannot resist one
> last cheap at Unka BOb before the year closes out.

Oh, you pooah, piddyfu' widdle avuncuwah, but hewwish monstah.

> Surely, Lou is seen as a much bigger man for it.

Make you wezzowutions and twy to behave, cwusty ow' son of a succubus.

>
>
> Barnyard Bum --

[pacplyer]

(-=:|SAJAN|:=-) wrote
>
> Well thanx sean n "pacplyer" (i wonder what it means). Thanx for
> showing ur concern. Now i think i should be in america to buy a mini
> aircraft. Still i think that someday i wud own one. There was a news
> in the papers on 27th Dec that the government has started allowing
> some private individuals n flying clubs to fly their private aircrafts
> at the domestic airport in Mumbai. I dont think they allow Foreign
> individuals or any experimentals to fly right now. But they soon
> will(thats what i think). I think that answers ur question. Thanx
> again.
> -=:|SAJAN|:=-


-=:|SAJAN|:=-,

"pacific flyer" is pronounced somewhat comically where I used to be
based for six years in the Philippine Islands. Since the language
there: Tagolog, does not have an constanant for "f", a "p" sound is
substituted by the locals.

When say, a mechanic would ask where the logbook is, the ramp agent
would point to the flight crew and say:

"Sirrr, it's being taken out to the plane by that pair of plyers."

so I "plied" mostly the pacific for about ten years on the 747 and
A310 before getting sick of it and comming back home. Mostly I missed
being home where I could tinker on my homebuilt "quickie" which is an
obsolete design that's taking me way to long to get flying. With the
exception of ultralights at Clark, experimental aviation was not
allowed in the Philippines either.

I'd say that if you like working with your hands and you are very
patient, building an airplane at home can be a lot of fun. Plan on
ten years to get it done though. ;-)

pac

[Richard Riley]

On 31 Dec 2003 13:37:51 -0800, (pacplyer) wrote:

(-=:|SAJAN|:=-) wrote
:>
:> Well thanx sean n "pacplyer" (i wonder what it means). Thanx for
:> showing ur concern. Now i think i should be in america to buy a mini
:> aircraft. Still i think that someday i wud own one. There was a news
:> in the papers on 27th Dec that the government has started allowing
:> some private individuals n flying clubs to fly their private aircrafts
:> at the domestic airport in Mumbai. I dont think they allow Foreign
:> individuals or any experimentals to fly right now. But they soon
:> will(thats what i think). I think that answers ur question. Thanx
:> again.
:> -=:|SAJAN|:=-
:
:
:-=:|SAJAN|:=-,
:
:"pacific flyer" is pronounced somewhat comically where I used to be
:based for six years in the Philippine Islands. Since the language
:there: Tagolog, does not have an constanant for "f", a "p" sound is
:substituted by the locals.
:
:When say, a mechanic would ask where the logbook is, the ramp agent
:would point to the flight crew and say:
:
:"Sirrr, it's being taken out to the plane by that pair of plyers."
:
:so I "plied" mostly the pacific for about ten years on the 747 and
:A310 before getting sick of it and comming back home. Mostly I missed
:being home where I could tinker on my homebuilt "quickie" which is an
:obsolete design that's taking me way to long to get flying. With the
:exception of ultralights at Clark, experimental aviation was not
:allowed in the Philippines either.

I sold a Berkut kit to Mariano Osmeña, he finished it and has it
flying there, though I don't think he flies it much. He also had a
Lancair 320. The Manila police department had a Lancair ES but
pranged it at the Manila airport. For several years the Lancair
fastbuild kits were manufactured on Cebu, and a number of them were
completed and flew there. Import duty on things like engines and
instruments are nasty.

As for India, a friend of mine sold his Long EZ to a flying club
there.

[David O]

RU ok > wrote:

>Isn't it ducky to know that Mr. Parker has the market
>cornered on truth, justice and the American way?

Begin Rant Mode

I marvel at how even the most carefully worded post, such as your
earlier post in this thread (replete with emphasized adjectives no
less), can attract the inevitable uselessnet nit-picker. In this
case, as is often the case, the nit-picker didn't actually refute what
you said but worded his post as a refutation anyway ("...not exactly
true... didn't do your homework"). Ironically, as is also often the
case, the nit-picker's post had more true nits than his target post.
Just another day in uselessnet.

End Rant Mode

>Happy New year to all.....

Yes, happy new year!

David O -- http://www.AirplaneZone.com

[pacplyer]

Richard Riley > wrote
>
> I sold a Berkut kit to Mariano Osmeña, he finished it and has it
> flying there, though I don't think he flies it much. He also had a
> Lancair 320. The Manila police department had a Lancair ES but
> pranged it at the Manila airport. For several years the Lancair
> fastbuild kits were manufactured on Cebu, and a number of them were
> completed and flew there. Import duty on things like engines and
> instruments are nasty.
>
> As for India, a friend of mine sold his Long EZ to a flying club
> there.

Well, I walked into this one Richard. (but I'm glad to hear it.) I'm
sure what you say is true. When I was there, however, we found it
impossible for common citizens or honest Ex-Pats to get permission to
operate experimentals anywhere in Luzon where we lived (70 nm west of
Manila.) But maybe that's because we were trying to import them, I
don't know. We were considering going together on a shipping
container until we were told "no experiments allowed in P.I. sir."
But as with most things in the P.I, you can get different answers
depending on who you talk to. If you're a "nobleman" or willing to
pay officials an "extra fee, sir" which is a bribe, then anything's
possible. But operating that way has its own set of pitfalls. If
you came into a disagreement with Erap's government sometime in the
future (like over tax extortion,) sometimes they would deport the poor
guy based on some bribe he made in the past. While not common, it was
possible. This happened to my wife's employer.

I went through the same kind of difficulties with my imported car and
boat. Drove me to drinking! Every couple of months someone would
invent a "new mandatory sticker, sir" for the car or boat that only
cost 500 pesos, but you had to drive all over the place looking for
unmarked gov offices, filling out reams of paperwork, safety
inspections, vin tracings, etc, and often these offices would start
fighting with each other over who was in charge, and they commonly
would call you up and say you had to start all over again. So I just
parked my motorcycle. It wasn't worth all the aggravation! The
imported car had to have a "conduction pass" every five days. It was
maddening.

Guys checked into the Lancair factory, but when their round eyes were
spotted, the prices skyrocketed. So my friend Mark borrows the
missionary Cherokee six as a last resort to get in some GA flying, and
it seemed like everywhere he goes some little gov turd shows up with a
clipboard demanding thousands of pesos in landing fees.

So is experimental aviation legal in the P.I? I guess it is now. Is
it do-able? When I was there in the 90's I never saw any homebuilts.
Lot's of B-18's and DC-3's though.

Cheers,

pacplyer

[-=:|SAJAN|:=-]

> I sold a Berkut kit to Mariano Osmeña, he finished it and has it
> flying there, though I don't think he flies it much. He also had a
> Lancair 320. The Manila police department had a Lancair ES but
> pranged it at the Manila airport. For several years the Lancair
> fastbuild kits were manufactured on Cebu, and a number of them were
> completed and flew there. Import duty on things like engines and
> instruments are nasty.
>
> As for India, a friend of mine sold his Long EZ to a flying club
> there.

Hi,
Its me SAJAN. Well pacplyer u said something about a "berkut" and
"EZ???". I saw a picture of berkut yesterday its a real cute aircraft.
I liked the design. it was just gr8. I just wanted to know how much it
costs. And the EZ too. Can u send me a picture of the EZ and such
other kitplanes that u think r cheap and have a low maintenance cost.
Plzzz mail them to me as soon as possible(PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ). My id
as u know is
I wanted to know one more thing, is there any place in INDIA were
i could buy an aircraft(cost doesnt matter). I know this is a stupid
question and that i shouldn't ask u but still...if anyone else reads
this he/she can answer this question.
-=|:SAJAN|:=-

[-=:|SAJAN|:=-]

> I sold a Berkut kit to Mariano Osmeña, he finished it and has it
> flying there, though I don't think he flies it much. He also had a
> Lancair 320. The Manila police department had a Lancair ES but
> pranged it at the Manila airport. For several years the Lancair
> fastbuild kits were manufactured on Cebu, and a number of them were
> completed and flew there. Import duty on things like engines and
> instruments are nasty.
>
> As for India, a friend of mine sold his Long EZ to a flying club
> there.

Hi,
Its me SAJAN. Well pacplyer u said something about a "berkut" and
"EZ???". I saw a picture of berkut yesterday its a real cute aircraft.
I liked the design. it was just gr8. I just wanted to know how much it
costs. And the EZ too. Can u send me a picture of the EZ and such
other kitplanes that u think r cheap and have a low maintenance cost.
Plzzz mail them to me as soon as possible(PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ). My id
as u know is
I wanted to know one more thing, is there any place in INDIA were
i could buy an aircraft(cost doesnt matter). I know this is a stupid
question and that i shouldn't ask u but still...if anyone else reads
this he/she can answer this question.
-=|:SAJAN|:=-

[pacplyer]

(-=:|SAJAN|:=-) wrote in message >...
> > I sold a Berkut kit to Mariano Osmeña, he finished it and has it
> > flying there, though I don't think he flies it much. He also had a
> > Lancair 320. The Manila police department had a Lancair ES but
> > pranged it at the Manila airport. For several years the Lancair
> > fastbuild kits were manufactured on Cebu, and a number of them were
> > completed and flew there. Import duty on things like engines and
> > instruments are nasty.
> >
> > As for India, a friend of mine sold his Long EZ to a flying club
> > there.
>
> Hi,
> Its me SAJAN. Well pacplyer u said something about a "berkut" and
> "EZ???". I saw a picture of berkut yesterday its a real cute aircraft.
> I liked the design. it was just gr8. I just wanted to know how much it
> costs. And the EZ too. Can u send me a picture of the EZ and such
> other kitplanes that u think r cheap and have a low maintenance cost.
> Plzzz mail them to me as soon as possible(PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ). My id
> as u know is
> I wanted to know one more thing, is there any place in INDIA were
> i could buy an aircraft(cost doesnt matter). I know this is a stupid
> question and that i shouldn't ask u but still...if anyone else reads
> this he/she can answer this question.
> -=|:SAJAN|:=-


Hey SAJAN,

Richard Riley was tacked onto the bottom of my post, I think I must of
trimmed it wrong or something, my fault. But Richard Riley is the
expert I'm sure on the berkut since he owned one. Hopefully he'll
spot this and respond. I don't know how to put a link to pictures
yet. Have you tried to type in Berkut into the googe search? And
Richard where was the Eze at the Indian flying club at?

Good Luck

pacplyer