THIS is the cockpit display tech we need

[Bill D]

http://rdd.me/ryoliosm I doesn't matter how 'smart' our gadgets are
if you can't read the damn screens with a quick glance. Qualcom's
Mirasol display looks like a magazine cover in direct sunlight.

[Dave Nadler]

Beautiful technology always available one year in future...
Watch the projected-delay graph ;-)

[JohnDeRosa]

On Nov 15, 10:54*am, Bill D > wrote:
> Qualcom's Mirasol display looks like a magazine cover in direct sunlight.

And at 1/10th the power requirements. Important for gliders but this
will also really impact battery life for everything from laptops,
tablets to cell phones.

[John Cochrane[_2_]]

On Nov 15, 3:57*pm, JohnDeRosa > wrote:
> On Nov 15, 10:54*am, Bill D > wrote:
>
> > Qualcom's Mirasol display looks like a magazine cover in direct sunlight.

[Ramy]

On Nov 15, 5:17*pm, John Cochrane >
wrote:
> On Nov 15, 3:57*pm, JohnDeRosa > wrote:
>
> > On Nov 15, 10:54*am, Bill D > wrote:
>
> > > Qualcom's Mirasol display looks like a magazine cover in direct sunlight.
>
> > And at 1/10th the power requirements. *Important for gliders but this
> > will also really impact battery life for everything from laptops,
> > tablets to cell phones.
>
> I hate to break it to you guys, but there is a gorgeous sunlight
> readable display on the market, the clear-nav. SN10 is pretty easy to
> read too, but offers less stuff on the screen, which Dave might argue
> is an advantage. No need to wait...
> John Cochrane

The Dell Streak 5 is only $200-$400 and has a great sun readable
display.

Ramy

[Max Kellermann]

Ramy > wrote:
> The Dell Streak 5 is only $200-$400 and has a great sun readable
> display.

$150

http://www.streaksmart.com/2011/11/cowboom-offering-unlocked-dell-streak-5-for-14999-unlocked.html
http://www.cowboom.com/product/753676

Unfortunately sold out, but once there's another cheap offer, get one
quickly while you can!

The Dell Streak Mini is still the best cockpit device you can get
currently. It takes advantage of the sunlight (transflective screen)
instead of trying to beat the sun.

Max

[C-FFKQ (42)]

Max,
Does the Streak support connecting to the modern varios to get data? (Sorry if I'm being stupid).

-John

[Max Kellermann]

"C-FFKQ (42)" > wrote:
> Does the Streak support connecting to the modern varios to get data? (Sorry if I'm being stupid).

Yes! I know two options:

- Bluetooth (with a RS-232 adapter, e.g. K6-Bt or VFBT-1 just to name
two expensive ones).

- Android-IOIO is a board that allows connecting up to four RS-232
ports to any Android device. Unfortunately, it requires some
soldering, but I hope a vendor will pick it up and sell boxes based
on it, for those of us who don't like hacking hardware.

My Streak is connected to a CAI302 and a FLARM, with two Bluetooth
adapters. It just works, no hassle.

Max

[Richard[_9_]]

On Nov 15, 5:17*pm, John Cochrane >
wrote:
> On Nov 15, 3:57*pm, JohnDeRosa > wrote:
>
> > On Nov 15, 10:54*am, Bill D > wrote:
>
> > > Qualcom's Mirasol display looks like a magazine cover in direct sunlight.
>
> > And at 1/10th the power requirements. *Important for gliders but this
> > will also really impact battery life for everything from laptops,
> >ablets to cell phones.
>
> I hate to break it to you guys, but there is a gorgeous sunlight
> readable display on the market, the clear-nav. SN10 is pretty easy to
> read too, but offers less stuff on the screen, which Dave might argue
> is an advantage. No need to wait...
> John Cochrane

The Craggy Aero Ultimate Le offers a totally sunlight readable 6.4"
diagonal display and it runs popular software, SeeYou, StrePla,
LK8000.

Power draw at full backlight 800 mAmps

http://www.craggyaero.com/ultimate_le.htm

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[Bill D]

On Nov 15, 6:17*pm, John Cochrane >
wrote:
> On Nov 15, 3:57*pm, JohnDeRosa > wrote:
>
> > On Nov 15, 10:54*am, Bill D > wrote:
>
> > > Qualcom's Mirasol display looks like a magazine cover in direct sunlight.
>
> > And at 1/10th the power requirements. *Important for gliders but this
> > will also really impact battery life for everything from laptops,
> > tablets to cell phones.
>
> I hate to break it to you guys, but there is a gorgeous sunlight
> readable display on the market, the clear-nav. SN10 is pretty easy to
> read too, but offers less stuff on the screen, which Dave might argue
> is an advantage. No need to wait...
> John Cochrane

Don't think so.

Current engineering specs say 1500 nits brightness is required for
'good' readability in direct sunlight. CCFL's backlights delivering
that brightness would pull amps, not mili-amps. LED backlights are
better but current draw and heating are still problems. If you did
somehow create a screen with 1500 nits brightness, it would be like
looking into a car headlight.

I can't find the specs, but I'm guessing the best glider displays are
in the 500 - 1000 nit brightness range and pull around .8 amps.

Far easier on the eyes and battery would be a high-contrast, high
color saturation REFLECTIVE display like the Mirasol technology.

[Bob Thompson]

On Nov 16, 11:44*am, Bill D > wrote:
> On Nov 15, 6:17*pm, John Cochrane >
> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 15, 3:57*pm, JohnDeRosa > wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 15, 10:54*am, Bill D > wrote:
>
> > > > Qualcom's Mirasol display looks like a magazine cover in direct sunlight.
>
> > > And at 1/10th the power requirements. *Important for gliders but this
> > > will also really impact battery life for everything from laptops,
> > > tablets to cell phones.
>
> > I hate to break it to you guys, but there is a gorgeous sunlight
> > readable display on the market, the clear-nav. SN10 is pretty easy to
> > read too, but offers less stuff on the screen, which Dave might argue
> > is an advantage. No need to wait...
> > John Cochrane
>
> Don't think so.
>
> Current engineering specs say 1500 nits brightness is required for
> 'good' readability in direct sunlight. *CCFL's backlights delivering
> that brightness would pull amps, not mili-amps. *LED backlights are
> better but current draw and heating are still problems. *If you did
> somehow create a screen with 1500 nits brightness, it would be like
> looking into a car headlight.
>
> I can't find the specs, but I'm guessing the best glider displays are
> in the 500 - 1000 nit brightness range and pull around .8 amps.
>
> Far easier on the eyes and battery would be a high-contrast, high
> color saturation REFLECTIVE display like the Mirasol technology.

I have no experience with competing displays so can't speak for them,
but have flown ClearNav for three seasons and it is as "sunlight-
readable" as it needs to be.
No problem viewing it on bright days while wearing sunglasses. My
problem is fine print in any light condition so I keep glasses handy
for that, but if you set it up correctly before flight there is little
need to read fine print. No need to flip through multiple pages,
either. Control inputs are through a simple controller that you don't
have to look at to use - particularly if it's mounted on the stick.
Power management is built into the system so that isn't a problem.

[Andrzej Kobus]

On Nov 16, 3:24*am, Max Kellermann > wrote:
> Ramy > wrote:
> > The Dell Streak 5 is only $200-$400 and has a great sun readable
> > display.
>
> $150
>
> *http://www.streaksmart.com/2011/11/cowboom-offering-unlocked-dell-str....
> *http://www.cowboom.com/product/753676
>
> Unfortunately sold out, but once there's another cheap offer, get one
> quickly while you can!
>
> The Dell Streak Mini is still the best cockpit device you can get
> currently. *It takes advantage of the sunlight (transflective screen)
> instead of trying to beat the sun.
>
> Max

There might be better choice out there:
http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-player-5-0-review-02192592/

the Samsung Galaxy Player with 5" TFT display, GPS and Wi-Fi for
around $250 is a really good find. It also has reasonable power
consumption and 2.5 AH battery. It also has a newer Android version
than the Dell.

[Richard[_9_]]

On Nov 16, 8:44*am, Bill D > wrote:
> On Nov 15, 6:17*pm, John Cochrane >
> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 15, 3:57*pm, JohnDeRosa > wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 15, 10:54*am, Bill D > wrote:
>
> > > > Qualcom's Mirasol display looks like a magazine cover in direct sunlight.
>
> > > And at 1/10th the power requirements. *Important for gliders but this
> > > will also really impact battery life for everything from laptops,
> > > tablets to cell phones.
>
> > I hate to break it to you guys, but there is a gorgeous sunlight
> > readable display on the market, the clear-nav. SN10 is pretty easy to
> > read too, but offers less stuff on the screen, which Dave might argue
> > is an advantage. No need to wait...
> > John Cochrane
>
> Don't think so.
>
> Current engineering specs say 1500 nits brightness is required for
> 'good' readability in direct sunlight. *CCFL's backlights delivering
> that brightness would pull amps, not mili-amps. *LED backlights are
> better but current draw and heating are still problems. *If you did
> somehow create a screen with 1500 nits brightness, it would be like
> looking into a car headlight.
>
> I can't find the specs, but I'm guessing the best glider displays are
> in the 500 - 1000 nit brightness range and pull around .8 amps.
>
> Far easier on the eyes and battery would be a high-contrast, high
> color saturation REFLECTIVE display like the Mirasol technology.

Bill,

I am not sure where you got your engineering specifications. But I
have found that display brightness in an aircraft quality display has
little to do with sunlight readability. The key factors are the
coatings and the contrast ratio. The Ultimate Le has two specialized
coatings and an extremely high contrast ratio, it is as readable in
the sun at the low backlight settings as in the high backlight. The
sun has no noticable effect on the Ultimate Le display. The Ultimate
Le with LED backlight has no heat problems. In fact the first
Ultimates with a CFFL backlight got warm but did not have any issues.

Displays with low contrast ratios need unusaully high backlight to be
seen. This is typical of most low cost low qualtiy displays.

The Ultimate Le at full backlight has 1400 nits and draws about .7
to .8 Amps. At lower backlight settings of .3 to .4 amps the
display is very sunlight viewable with vibrant colors.

All the above information comes from testing in direct sunlight from a
varitey of angles and first hand experience in flight.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

[Morteza Ansari]

On Nov 16, 1:51*pm, Andrzej Kobus > wrote:
> On Nov 16, 3:24*am, Max Kellermann > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Ramy > wrote:
> > > The Dell Streak 5 is only $200-$400 and has a great sun readable
> > > display.
>
> > $150
>
> > *http://www.streaksmart.com/2011/11/cowboom-offering-unlocked-dell-str...
> > *http://www.cowboom.com/product/753676
>
> > Unfortunately sold out, but once there's another cheap offer, get one
> > quickly while you can!
>
> > The Dell Streak Mini is still the best cockpit device you can get
> > currently. *It takes advantage of the sunlight (transflective screen)
> > instead of trying to beat the sun.
>
> > Max
>
> There might be better choice out there:http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-player-5-0-review-02192592/
>
> the Samsung Galaxy Player with 5" TFT display, GPS and Wi-Fi for
> around $250 is a really good find. It also has reasonable power
> consumption and 2.5 AH battery. It also has a newer Android version
> than the Dell.

I have actually been looking at this too. Does anyone have any hands
on experience with this device? It looks like a really good option
looking at the specs at a very reasonable price.

[Andrzej Kobus]

On Nov 17, 12:11*am, Morteza Ansari > wrote:
> On Nov 16, 1:51*pm, Andrzej Kobus > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 16, 3:24*am, Max Kellermann > wrote:
>
> > > Ramy > wrote:
> > > > The Dell Streak 5 is only $200-$400 and has a great sun readable
> > > > display.
>
> > > $150
>
> > > *http://www.streaksmart.com/2011/11/cowboom-offering-unlocked-dell-str...
> > > *http://www.cowboom.com/product/753676
>
> > > Unfortunately sold out, but once there's another cheap offer, get one
> > > quickly while you can!
>
> > > The Dell Streak Mini is still the best cockpit device you can get
> > > currently. *It takes advantage of the sunlight (transflective screen)
> > > instead of trying to beat the sun.
>
> > > Max
>
> > There might be better choice out there:http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-player-5-0-review-02192592/
>
> > the Samsung Galaxy Player with 5" TFT display, GPS and Wi-Fi for
> > around $250 is a really good find. It also has reasonable power
> > consumption and 2.5 AH battery. It also has a newer Android version
> > than the Dell.
>
> I have actually been looking at this too. Does anyone have any hands
> on experience with this device? *It looks like a really good option
> looking at the specs at a very reasonable price.

My daughter just bought this device. I am waiting for a sunny day in
the North-East to test it. Tomorrow looks like the day. I will report
back.

[Dave Nadler]

On Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:15:33 AM UTC-5, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
> ...I am waiting for a sunny day in the North-East to test it.

Which is like twilight in Texas or predawn in Oz...

[NG[_2_]]

I'm sure the display technology will continue to improve
dramatically. I am most frustrated by the (lack of) input options on
touch-screens. My Oudie and Android platforms are almost useless in
temperature extremes (below freezing or above 100F), do not respond to
touch inputs reliably, even though I can read the screens easily. The
challenge is to find a platform with a decent display, configurable
mechanical inputs, and soaring software to take advantage of them,
without breaking the bank. I'm not sure that's the direction
commercially-driven development is going.

[Andrzej Kobus]

On Nov 17, 5:10*pm, NG > wrote:
> I'm sure the display technology will continue to improve
> dramatically. *I am most frustrated by the (lack of) input options on
> touch-screens. *My Oudie and Android platforms are almost useless in
> temperature extremes (below freezing or above 100F), do not respond to
> touch inputs reliably, even though I can read the screens easily. *The
> challenge is to find a platform with a decent display, configurable
> mechanical inputs, and soaring software to take advantage of them,
> without breaking the bank. *I'm not sure that's the direction
> commercially-driven development is going.

I have seen a working input device with a phone. Google this topic and
you will find people already doing this.

[Mike the Strike]

On Nov 17, 3:28*pm, Andrzej Kobus > wrote:
> On Nov 17, 5:10*pm, NG > wrote:
>
> > I'm sure the display technology will continue to improve
> > dramatically. *I am most frustrated by the (lack of) input options on
> > touch-screens. *My Oudie and Android platforms are almost useless in
> > temperature extremes (below freezing or above 100F), do not respond to
> > touch inputs reliably, even though I can read the screens easily. *The
> > challenge is to find a platform with a decent display, configurable
> > mechanical inputs, and soaring software to take advantage of them,
> > without breaking the bank. *I'm not sure that's the direction
> > commercially-driven development is going.
>
> I have seen a working input device with a phone. Google this topic and
> you will find people already doing this.

Small touch screens of any type do not work well in our turbulent
thermals in Arizona. I have had reasonable success with the Oudie,
which also has reasonable readability in our bright sun.

Mike

[Tony[_5_]]

On Nov 17, 4:10*pm, NG > wrote:
> I'm sure the display technology will continue to improve
> dramatically. *I am most frustrated by the (lack of) input options on
> touch-screens. *My Oudie and Android platforms are almost useless in
> temperature extremes (below freezing or above 100F), do not respond to
> touch inputs reliably, even though I can read the screens easily. *The
> challenge is to find a platform with a decent display, configurable
> mechanical inputs, and soaring software to take advantage of them,
> without breaking the bank. *I'm not sure that's the direction
> commercially-driven development is going.

what problems does your Oudie have over 100? Most of the soaring days
this year that I used my Oudie were over 100 and i had no issues other
than operator issues with it.

[Daniel Brown[_2_]]

Best set up i've ever used is the SeeYou Oudie linked to an LNAV, can not
beat it, Fairly cheap and does the same job as an LX9000! It is so easy to
use, 5mins is enough for the average person!

[brianDG303[_2_]]

On Nov 17, 2:10*pm, NG > wrote:
> I'm sure the display technology will continue to improve
> dramatically. *I am most frustrated by the (lack of) input options on
> touch-screens. *My Oudie and Android platforms are almost useless in
> temperature extremes (below freezing or above 100F), do not respond to
> touch inputs reliably, even though I can read the screens easily. *The
> challenge is to find a platform with a decent display, configurable
> mechanical inputs, and soaring software to take advantage of them,
> without breaking the bank. *I'm not sure that's the direction
> commercially-driven development is going.

Perhaps it is breaking the bank, but the LX minimap with a stick
controller eliminates most touch screen interactions and is plenty
bright enough for me.

[Rodger R[_2_]]

On Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:18:40 PM UTC-8, Daniel Brown wrote:
> Best set up i've ever used is the SeeYou Oudie linked to an LNAV, can not
> beat it, Fairly cheap and does the same job as an LX9000! It is so easy to
> use, 5mins is enough for the average person!

Does the Oudie set the current destination into the LNAV ?
Is the Oudie using any winds or TAS info from the LNAV ?

[Daniel Brown[_2_]]

At 16:43 18 November 2011, Rodger R wrote:
>On Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:18:40 PM UTC-8, Daniel Brown wrote:
>> Best set up i've ever used is the SeeYou Oudie linked to an LNAV, can
not
>> beat it, Fairly cheap and does the same job as an LX9000! It is so easy
>to
>> use, 5mins is enough for the average person!
>
>Does the Oudie set the current destination into the LNAV ?
>Is the Oudie using any winds or TAS info from the LNAV ?
>
>

Hi,

Yes the Oudie sets the current destination and all other related
information.

The Oudie has its own wind information which i find better than the LNAV

[Paul Remde]

Hi Roger,

Good Questions.

The Oudie can be setup to send GPS and destination distance information to
the L-NAV.

I don't think the Oudie uses the Wind or TAS data from the L-NAV.

You can see details on how to configure the Oudie to sent out GPS data here:
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/goddard.htm#Cable-Oudie-LNav-0p3

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

"Rodger R" > wrote in message
news:29198628.322.1321634621002.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prms22...
> On Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:18:40 PM UTC-8, Daniel Brown wrote:
>> Best set up i've ever used is the SeeYou Oudie linked to an LNAV, can not
>> beat it, Fairly cheap and does the same job as an LX9000! It is so easy
>> to
>> use, 5mins is enough for the average person!
>
> Does the Oudie set the current destination into the LNAV ?
> Is the Oudie using any winds or TAS info from the LNAV ?
>

[Andrzej Kobus]

On Nov 16, 4:51*pm, Andrzej Kobus > wrote:
> On Nov 16, 3:24*am, Max Kellermann > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Ramy > wrote:
> > > The Dell Streak 5 is only $200-$400 and has a great sun readable
> > > display.
>
> > $150
>
> > *http://www.streaksmart.com/2011/11/cowboom-offering-unlocked-dell-str...
> > *http://www.cowboom.com/product/753676
>
> > Unfortunately sold out, but once there's another cheap offer, get one
> > quickly while you can!
>
> > The Dell Streak Mini is still the best cockpit device you can get
> > currently. *It takes advantage of the sunlight (transflective screen)
> > instead of trying to beat the sun.
>
> > Max
>
> There might be better choice out there:http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-player-5-0-review-02192592/
>
> the Samsung Galaxy Player with 5" TFT display, GPS and Wi-Fi for
> around $250 is a really good find. It also has reasonable power
> consumption and 2.5 AH battery. It also has a newer Android version
> than the Dell.

I was able to test this device in direct sunlight today. Although it
is not as good as my ClearNav it is truly excellent. I was at work
today and was not able to take picture but for some unknown reason
tomorrow we might have another sunny day in the north east and I will
take pictures. I will be replacing my HP310 with this device.

[T8]

On Nov 16, 4:51*pm, Andrzej Kobus > wrote:

>
> There might be better choice out there:http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-player-5-0-review-02192592/
>
> the Samsung Galaxy Player with 5" TFT display, GPS and Wi-Fi for
> around $250 is a really good find. It also has reasonable power
> consumption and 2.5 AH battery. It also has a newer Android version
> than the Dell.

I bought one of these for someone on my Christmas list and set it up.
Naturally, part of my incoming QC inspection was loading XCSoar :-).

Cliff notes version: It's probably useful in the cockpit, especially
as an all-in-one device, but it comes with several caveats. It isn't
going to compete with high end panel mount displays.

The display is a TFT display of very adequate if not eye popping
resolution. It is a transmissive display. It is quite excellent
indoors. At maximum brightness outdoors on a sunny day, its
readability is barely adequate. Side by side with my ipaq 3950, it's
overall pretty equal or perhaps slightly inferior. It has better
readability if you are looking towards the sun due to a brighter
backlight, it has effectively zero readability when the sun is over
your shoulder and shining on the display. This is the angle at which
the readability of the 3950 (with transflective display) is best,
excellent actually. At other random orientations, they are pretty
even, which is to say rather mediocre. You'll want terrain
visualization turned off. I haven't flown with the Galaxy and
probably won't bother because it doesn't offer any really compelling
reason to replace my ipaq (which has the tools to manage my 302, not
yet available on Android).

There are other issues: While running XCSoar, there's no display power
management. It stays at whatever brightness has been set. This may
be a non issue -- the internal battery will run the device at full
brightness and internal GPS for many hours, so probably the thing to
do is run it on internal power. Might be an issue on really long
flights. Also note that the battery takes several hours to charge to
full capacity.

There are other annoyances. If you d/l a turnpoint database from the
internet directly to the device, the operating system appends its own
extensions and it has no easy way to edit this. I d/l'ed a *.cup file
and this was saved as *.cup.htm. I tried a *.dat file and this was
saved as *.dat.txt. Neither, of course, is useful until renamed and a
quick search of both the software on the device and Android market
turned up nothing in the way of an editor or file manager that could
address this (when changing the file name under Android, the
extensions were not visible and not editable) so I had to plug into my
laptop and pull files across. Even after doing this, attempt to use
the terrain generator website failed as the OS won't let you access
your turnpoint database files for upload. Probably, this means you
can't upload OLC flights, either. I'm sure that can be addressed with
an appropriate piece of application software that probably already
exists, it just wasn't obvious where to get it.

Bottom line: it's just the right size, has excellent internal battery
capacity, internal GPS, USB connectivity and a micro SD card slot.
All these things make it an interesting all-in-one nav and flight
recording device suitable for backup or (especially) for club pilots
seeking a portable solution. But don't expect a really good cockpit
display.

-Evan Ludeman / T8

[Andrzej Kobus]

On Dec 3, 11:13*am, T8 > wrote:
> On Nov 16, 4:51*pm, Andrzej Kobus > wrote:
>
>
>
> > There might be better choice out there:http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-player-5-0-review-02192592/
>
> > the Samsung Galaxy Player with 5" TFT display, GPS and Wi-Fi for
> > around $250 is a really good find. It also has reasonable power
> > consumption and 2.5 AH battery. It also has a newer Android version
> > than the Dell.
>
> I bought one of these for someone on my Christmas list and set it up.
> Naturally, part of my incoming QC inspection was loading XCSoar :-).
>
> Cliff notes version: *It's probably useful in the cockpit, especially
> as an all-in-one device, but it comes with several caveats. *It isn't
> going to compete with high end panel mount displays.
>
> The display is a TFT display of very adequate if not eye popping
> resolution. *It is a transmissive display. *It is quite excellent
> indoors. *At maximum brightness outdoors on a sunny day, its
> readability is barely adequate. *Side by side with my ipaq 3950, it's
> overall pretty equal or perhaps slightly inferior. *It has better
> readability if you are looking towards the sun due to a brighter
> backlight, it has effectively zero readability when the sun is over
> your shoulder and shining on the display. *This is the angle at which
> the readability of the 3950 (with transflective display) is best,
> excellent actually. *At other random orientations, they are pretty
> even, which is to say rather mediocre. *You'll want terrain
> visualization turned off. * I haven't flown with the Galaxy and
> probably won't bother because it doesn't offer any really compelling
> reason to replace my ipaq (which has the tools to manage my 302, not
> yet available on Android).
>
> There are other issues: While running XCSoar, there's no display power
> management. *It stays at whatever brightness has been set. *This may
> be a non issue -- the internal battery will run the device at full
> brightness and internal GPS for many hours, so probably the thing to
> do is run it on internal power. *Might be an issue on really long
> flights. *Also note that the battery takes several hours to charge to
> full capacity.
>
> There are other annoyances. *If you d/l a turnpoint database from the
> internet directly to the device, the operating system appends its own
> extensions and it has no easy way to edit this. *I d/l'ed a *.cup file
> and this was saved as *.cup.htm. *I tried a *.dat file and this was
> saved as *.dat.txt. *Neither, of course, is useful until renamed and a
> quick search of both the software on the device and Android market
> turned up nothing in the way of an editor or file manager that could
> address this (when changing the file name under Android, the
> extensions were not visible and not editable) so I had to plug into my
> laptop and pull files across. *Even after doing this, attempt to use
> the terrain generator website failed as the OS won't let you access
> your turnpoint database files for upload. *Probably, this means you
> can't upload OLC flights, either. *I'm sure that can be addressed with
> an appropriate piece of application software that probably already
> exists, it just wasn't obvious where to get it.
>
> Bottom line: it's just the right size, has excellent internal battery
> capacity, internal GPS, USB connectivity and a micro SD card slot.
> All these things make it an interesting all-in-one nav and flight
> recording device suitable for backup or (especially) for club pilots
> seeking a portable solution. *But don't expect a really good cockpit
> display.
>
> -Evan Ludeman / T8

Here are a couple of pictures I took in the direct sun. They were
taken at the same time. Notice the only difference is the angle of the
device from a vertical plane. If I keep this device in my hand
perpendicular to the ground I can rotate 360 degrees around my body's
axis and have very good readability of the screen at all times. This
is also how my ClearNav is mounted. You draw your own conclusions.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/71347915@N06/

[Andrzej Kobus]

On Dec 3, 11:13*am, T8 > wrote:
> On Nov 16, 4:51*pm, Andrzej Kobus > wrote:
>
>
>
> > There might be better choice out there:http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-player-5-0-review-02192592/
>
> > the Samsung Galaxy Player with 5" TFT display, GPS and Wi-Fi for
> > around $250 is a really good find. It also has reasonable power
> > consumption and 2.5 AH battery. It also has a newer Android version
> > than the Dell.
>
> I bought one of these for someone on my Christmas list and set it up.
> Naturally, part of my incoming QC inspection was loading XCSoar :-).
>
> Cliff notes version: *It's probably useful in the cockpit, especially
> as an all-in-one device, but it comes with several caveats. *It isn't
> going to compete with high end panel mount displays.
>
> The display is a TFT display of very adequate if not eye popping
> resolution. *It is a transmissive display. *It is quite excellent
> indoors. *At maximum brightness outdoors on a sunny day, its
> readability is barely adequate. *Side by side with my ipaq 3950, it's
> overall pretty equal or perhaps slightly inferior. *It has better
> readability if you are looking towards the sun due to a brighter
> backlight, it has effectively zero readability when the sun is over
> your shoulder and shining on the display. *This is the angle at which
> the readability of the 3950 (with transflective display) is best,
> excellent actually. *At other random orientations, they are pretty
> even, which is to say rather mediocre. *You'll want terrain
> visualization turned off. * I haven't flown with the Galaxy and
> probably won't bother because it doesn't offer any really compelling
> reason to replace my ipaq (which has the tools to manage my 302, not
> yet available on Android).
>
> There are other issues: While running XCSoar, there's no display power
> management. *It stays at whatever brightness has been set. *This may
> be a non issue -- the internal battery will run the device at full
> brightness and internal GPS for many hours, so probably the thing to
> do is run it on internal power. *Might be an issue on really long
> flights. *Also note that the battery takes several hours to charge to
> full capacity.
>
> There are other annoyances. *If you d/l a turnpoint database from the
> internet directly to the device, the operating system appends its own
> extensions and it has no easy way to edit this. *I d/l'ed a *.cup file
> and this was saved as *.cup.htm. *I tried a *.dat file and this was
> saved as *.dat.txt. *Neither, of course, is useful until renamed and a
> quick search of both the software on the device and Android market
> turned up nothing in the way of an editor or file manager that could
> address this (when changing the file name under Android, the
> extensions were not visible and not editable) so I had to plug into my
> laptop and pull files across. *Even after doing this, attempt to use
> the terrain generator website failed as the OS won't let you access
> your turnpoint database files for upload. *Probably, this means you
> can't upload OLC flights, either. *I'm sure that can be addressed with
> an appropriate piece of application software that probably already
> exists, it just wasn't obvious where to get it.
>
> Bottom line: it's just the right size, has excellent internal battery
> capacity, internal GPS, USB connectivity and a micro SD card slot.
> All these things make it an interesting all-in-one nav and flight
> recording device suitable for backup or (especially) for club pilots
> seeking a portable solution. *But don't expect a really good cockpit
> display.
>
> -Evan Ludeman / T8

Here are a couple of pictures I took in direct sun light. They were
taken at the same time. Notice the only difference is the angle of
the
device from a vertical plane. If I keep this device in my hand
perpendicular to the ground I can rotate 360 degrees around my body's
axis and have very good readability of the screen at all times. This
is also how my ClearNav is mounted. You draw your own conclusions.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/71347915@N06/

[Andy[_1_]]

On Nov 16, 10:11*pm, Morteza Ansari > wrote:

> I have actually been looking at this too. Does anyone have any hands
> on experience with this device? *It looks like a really good option
> looking at the specs at a very reasonable price.

If any one has first hand reports please comment not only on the
display, but also on whether the GPS can keep up with a thermalling
glider. Question is based on poor experience with HP310 which is
incapable of producing a GPS position suitable for deriving a circling
wind estimate.

thanks,

Andy

[Dave Nadler]

http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4231188/Qualcomm-MEMS-display-drives-Kyobo-e-reader

OK, is it possible to get one ?
Hacked to run Android ?

[cfinn]

I don't know about getting one. However, I understand this technology
is great for an Ebook with basically static page displays, but screen
updates are very slow. It wouldn't work well with continuously updated
moving map displays.


On Dec 7, 8:18*pm, Dave Nadler > wrote:
> http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4231188/Qualcomm-MEMS-display...
>
> OK, is it possible to get one ?
> Hacked to run Android ?

[Bill D]

I suspect you may be confusing E-Ink with Qualcom's Mirasol display.
E-Ink is slow but Mirasol is easily fast enough to display video in
vibrant color.

As for getting one, there are grey market sources if you want it right
now but I expect to see a device like it on sale world-wide soon.
Most e-readers have proven vulnerable to rooting so Android is
potentially doable. I suspect a Windows 8 tablet with the technology
will be available in 2012.

On Dec 7, 6:57*pm, cfinn > wrote:
> I don't know about getting one. However, I understand this technology
> is great for an Ebook with basically static page displays, but screen
> updates are very slow. It wouldn't work well with continuously updated
> moving map displays.
>
> On Dec 7, 8:18*pm, Dave Nadler > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4231188/Qualcomm-MEMS-display...
>
> > OK, is it possible to get one ?
> > Hacked to run Android ?

[Karl Kunz]

Perhaps this device has potential -
http://www.slashgear.com/kyobo-ereader-delivers-mirasol-and-android-21196809/

Day light readable 5.7 inch Mirasol and runs Android 2.3

[Dave Nadler]

That's the one I posted yesterday ;-)

[T8]

On Dec 8, 1:01*pm, Dave Nadler > wrote:
> That's the one I posted yesterday ;-)

With the locked down UI running on top of Android 2.3 :-).

[Karl Kunz]

Ever heard of jailbreaking? ;-)

[Karl Kunz]

Oops, sorry Dave for some reason I missed that. Yes, same unit.

[Dave Nadler]

Another Mirasol spotting, unclear if available in the west:
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4235507/E-reader-uses-Qualcomm-s-mirasol-displa