For the record: I am not BWB

[Larry Smith]

Who cares?

[pacplyer]

(This is in response to , whose messages I can't see on google
because he's terrified of posting like the rest of us.) PP = me,
pacplyer

PP: What may be hard for you to grasp here "a", is that there are
many BWB type-A personalities in every profession (not just nuclear
physics.)

But the airline that hired me, valued this diversity. They didn't
hire strictly military robots. Instead, they hired a mix. Two-thirds
civilian for about there years there. This was a smart move at a
joint that constantly traverses multiple time zones and had trouble
keeping crewmembers awake. You need interesting jokers around to keep
everybody from being bored to death. Just like with BWB. In my
mind, he is a fascinating, interesting, part of the RAH topography
here. He's a larger-than-life character, in the best tradition of
cheap fiction.

You just wouldn't believe some of the jokers in my new hire class.
One those guys, let's call him Don Jones, 25, who I found out was
fired from xxx airlines for the same behavior a few months before, got
drunk and was screaming his lungs out at the receptionist in his night
cloths about what a ****ty hotel this was and how he was never going
to get any sleep for ground school in the morning. I tried to walk
him back to the elevator but he wouldn't go. The night before, we had
all gone out the "Nude, Nude, Nude" bar where we proceeded each day to
see who could stay in that joint the latest and still pass the written
at the end of the week. Jones walks into ground school late the next
morning, disheveled, unshaven, and clearly hung over and staggers to
the front of the class, sits down, and starts to pull out his flight
manuals. The instructor has stopped his dissertation and watches with
the rest of us as Don fiddles with the latches on his brain bag and
slowly holds up, unfolding this red material with this confused look
on his face. He holds it up to the ceiling lights still trying to
figure out what these bright red panties were that we had planted in
his bag….The instructor was shocked. We rolled on the floor out loud
for at least five minutes.

Panties………………………… $5.95
Look on Don's face………....priceless

PP: Now below are my responses to this
vanishing post of :

In article >, pacplyer
says...
>
wrote <snips everywhere>
>
>>Go to Google groups. Advanced search. Group: Rec.* Phrase
"pacplyer" or "Pac
>> Plyer" The first time you show up is May 2003, 3 weeks after Bill
stopped
>> posting.
>
>Now Sydney,

If I were Sydney, I would have seen your apology, wouldn't I?

PP: Ask her, she responded to it. "O.K. I'm sorry and I
won't pull her hair anymore."


(Unless you never
made one, and I still can't find it on Google. You would have
included the word
"apology" or "apologize" or "Sydney" or "sorry" in a post like that,
wouldn't
you?)

PP: This is why I have trouble believing that you were
involved in Apollo. If you can arrange to spin my hard drive and leaf
through my Apollo collection and collect credit card numbers, but you
can't type in sophisticated search algorithims? WTF? Further, you
don't want anything archived, because you figure that if you continue
slandering me and are found to be an accomplice to cyber-crimes these
posts of yours might be enough to convince authorities. You're hoping
that I'm not printing these out. Bad news for you. I have been.

>
>I mean, Dr No (name,) I can't help you find Uranus if you can't even
>use a search engine correctly. ;) (dry cargo humor… you're supposed
>to laugh) Man did you sneak up on me that time. I was ready to head
>over to my neighbor who works for NASA to see if your lander claims
>checked out! You don't know it but you had me going girl. I thought
>I was going to have to write up a written apology to a high level
NASA
>office!

Fine, give me the Google URL that shows you posting to RAP in the
mid-90's. Or
admit that you're a liar.

In the meantime, here are the locations for the hardware I designed
that's now
on the lunar surface:

26°06'03" N 03°39'10" E
8°59'29" S 15°30'52" E
20°9'55" N 30°45'57" E

From that you should be able to figure out what major system my
hardware was
included in. It was directional equipment for high gain com.

>>
>> "In fact Zoom got on an airplane and flew to Vegas to take me to
dinner
>> one night and put the law suit to rest. What a great guy that
>> Zoomster is."
>>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl1167912266d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3dc34e29.223818125%40news.earthlink.net
>
>You mean there really is a Zoom in real life? No way. Get out. I
>thought everyone was talking about the movie Captain Zoom!

That's so odd, in the past you've said you followed the Zoom wars and
knew all
the players. Isn't that strange.

PP: Well until I picked up reactions from
the regulars, I was sure you were Sydney. I mean you said it
yourself: have you ever met her? How do you know she is Snowbird?
Is that two people? Is Sydney also StellaStar and Ladypilot? That's
what I think. But I've never actually met anyone in Usenet
Newsgroups. There's no ****ing pictures. And I was convinced until
recently that Bernie the Bunion was playing the role of Zoom, since he
always defended any jokes about that character. But maybe I'm just
not cut out for usenet, because a lot of the time, I can't figure out
what the #$@5 is going on! Now you have nothing to worry about from
me, if you knock off the attacks. But none of this would have
happened in the first place if you would post like a man, without all
this subterfuge. Or if you wouldn't behave like Pol Pot or Stalin
when somebody has an opinion or preference different than yours.

>
>Just sit down, relax, and have a moon pill. You really don't want to
>go here. You really don't want to slander the wrong person do you?
>Because that's what you've done. I have never threatened to harm
>anybody ever.

"PacPlyer" hasn't. "Badwater Bill" has. I believe you are one of
Bill
Phillip's sock puppets.

>
>He posts, you stalk him. Somebody talks about him, you pounce on the
>third party. Now I don't know where you're from, but this really
>seems like Hatfield and McCoy behavior to me. Are you from deep
>Kentucky or something? We'll honestly, if you won't at least
consider
>my solution, then I don't care about your feud with BWB. Bother
>somebody else about it.

Actually, from what I've seen, Sydney has been a model of restraint.
Other
people in the newsgroup - including me - have been far more offended
by her
treatment than she has apparently been. Just to be clear, I haven't
corresponded with her, I've never met her, I only know her from her
infrequent,
but universally pleasant, posts.

If "Badwater" had written about my wife the way "Badwater" wrote about
Sydney,
my wife would have been at his door with a baseball bat. I'm don't
think I
would, or could, have stopped her. Of course, her father probably
would have
been there first, so there wouldn't have been much left to hit.

>
>Now I really did enjoy the spoof, and I'd like to friends with you.
>But if you showed up in my Cockpit with this kind of attitude,
playing
>games, you'd never make it though your first probationary year. Now
>if you want my sympathy or help, your going to have to do it my way.
>That's because there are two ways to do something here. The wrong
>way, or the Captain's way. It's your choice.

I neither desire or accept your help, Badwater. You have a track
record of
betrayal, narcissism, threats, self-pity and a complete lack of
manners. You
continually bring strife, anger, insults and threats, either under
your own name
or through a puppet, like Jordan. Accepting help from you is like
setting
yourself on fire because it's a little cold outside.

PP: Again laser-brain: You
are slandering the wrong poster. When this is pointed out to me by
the regulars, I apologize. This is what I'm talking about. Just how
confusing this ****ing usenet can be. Maybe I should just send
messages to my dog. I know who the hell he is, and he never changes
his callsign.

>But I would expect a lot more from you. Get
>tough. Show BWB your character is ten times what his is.

There's mold in my refrigerator that has ten times BWB's character.

>
>Now if you're still on the line, I'll make you the same deal as last
>time. You bury the hatchet with Bill in an open post, tell him the
>truth about your total hours and ratings and that maybe you were too
>caviler with him, and I'll post evidence of who I am including
>pictures (if you'll explain to me how to do that… I have a ten-year
>old scanner that might work…you're smart, I know you know how to do
>that stuff)

I'm a private pilot SEL with an out of date instrument rating, 640
hours, 225 in
gliders. I have no idea what Sydney's time or ratings are. My
impression is
that she's at least a private pilot.

PP: Yep it's what I figured! Another armchair Aviator
whose going to dictate exactly what Comm pilots and ATP's say.

>
>My only agenda Sydney, is to have a good time. Any feuds that run
off
>great writers like Bill Phillips are interfering with that good time.

No, Bill, your agenda is to "stir things up." If that means stabbing
your
friends in the back, driving away people with experience, insulting
them,
threatening them, threatening their families, it's just all part of
the act.
One poster a while back said you shoot your best friend's dog for a
laugh.
That's what you've done to this newsgroup.

>People who wildly exaggerate their backgrounds or experience in this
>forum have only themselves to blame for any ruthless sarcasm they
>attract. But I know you're cool because Uncle Bob likes you. And he
>is, IMO a great judge of character (besides that he's very
>entertaining.)

I don't know if BOb likes me or not, we've never really had an
exchange.

>
>Best wishes Snowbird whatever you decide to do,
>
>pacplyer

Like I said, "Pac" - you're still leaving too many clues. Go back
over the last
three exchanges, and look at what you *didn't* say.


PP: I'm leaving a ****load of clues as to
who I am, but you don't have enough experience in aviation to pick up
on them. I suggest you ask Capt Doug or Rich S. the B727 Capt what
their opinion is. I've never met either one of those gentlemen but
because of a career of flying jets for 20 years I know they are
legitimate jet jocks. I would bet $1000.00 that both of these guys
fly big iron, but are sane enough not to pick fights with vicious
posters like you. Maybe I should try to go back to work instead of
trying to provide a different perspective to this group.

By the way Strikler, I had to post it at the top because I can't see
it on google. Is that O.K?

pac "why am even explaining myself" plyer

[Sounds like Diarreha]

> > pac "why am even explaining myself" plyer

> Larry Smith > wrote:

> Who cares?

My thoughts exactly.

Too many quotations from too many threads over too long a period of
time.

Pac plyer you must have spent all afternoon with your good friend
GOOGLE.

Mr. Plyer I don't have a clue how many different people you are quoting
in your 267 line piece of verbal diarreha but it's lots.

For the record YOU may not be BWB but of all the regular posters to
this group YOU sure want to smooch his ass an awful lot.

Bernie

[[email protected]]

In article >, pacplyer says...
>
>(This is in response to , whose messages I can't see on google
>because he's terrified of posting like the rest of us.) PP = me,
>pacplyer
>>PP: Ask her, she responded to it. "O.K. I'm sorry and I
>won't pull her hair anymore."
>
>
>(Unless you never
>made one, and I still can't find it on Google. You would have
>included the word
>"apology" or "apologize" or "Sydney" or "sorry" in a post like that,
>wouldn't
>you?)
>
>PP: This is why I have trouble believing that you were
>involved in Apollo. If you can arrange to spin my hard drive and leaf
>through my Apollo collection and collect credit card numbers,

I have no idea what that's about.

>but you
>can't type in sophisticated search algorithims? WTF?

Apparently, neither can the Youngest Pilot Ever Rated To Fly The 737. You
could, you know, run the search yourself and post a Google URL. And post it.
And quote it.

>Further, you
>don't want anything archived, because you figure that if you continue
>slandering me and are found to be an accomplice to cyber-crimes these
>posts of yours might be enough to convince authorities. You're hoping
>that I'm not printing these out. Bad news for you. I have been.

If you think that my posting that I believe you are a sock puppet for Badwater
Bill is something that would interest "the Authorities" then I have you wrong.
Even Bill isn't that delusional. That's well into Zoom's land of mental defect.

>
>That's so odd, in the past you've said you followed the Zoom wars and
>knew all
>the players. Isn't that strange.
>
>PP: Well until I picked up reactions from
>the regulars, I was sure you were Sydney. I mean you said it
>yourself: have you ever met her? How do you know she is Snowbird?
>Is that two people? Is Sydney also StellaStar and Ladypilot? That's
>what I think. But I've never actually met anyone in Usenet
>Newsgroups. There's no ****ing pictures. And I was convinced until
>recently that Bernie the Bunion was playing the role of Zoom, since he
>always defended any jokes about that character.

No, you said you had followed the Zoom wars since the mid 90's, long before
Bernie showed up.

>But maybe I'm just
>not cut out for usenet, because a lot of the time, I can't figure out
>what the #$@5 is going on! Now you have nothing to worry about from
>me, if you knock off the attacks.

An interesting point of philosophy. Is my posting my opinion that you are
Bill's sock puppet, and listing my reasons for thinking so, an attack?

Or is my calling Bill a backstabbing, vicious, evil waste of a human being an
attack on you - if you're not Bill?

>But none of this would have
>happened in the first place if you would post like a man, without all
>this subterfuge. Or if you wouldn't behave like Pol Pot or Stalin
>when somebody has an opinion or preference different than yours.

To all: does Godwin's law apply to Pol Pot and Stalin, or just to Hitler?

It wouldn't matter if I posted with a name or not. Or whether that name was
real or not. I'd still be calling you a Badwater sock puppet. And you'd still
be posting anonymously, claiming you aren't.

And, I don't remember killing millions of people for any reason, including a
difference of opinion. Did I miss it? Was I on the phone, and forgot that I
had 100,000 people in the oven? Let me do a google search - mass killing.
genocide. executions. No, I don't find anything. Do you have any
dates of these mass murders I could look up?

>Accepting help from you is like
>setting
>yourself on fire because it's a little cold outside.
>
>PP: Again laser-brain: You
>are slandering the wrong poster. When this is pointed out to me by
>the regulars, I apologize. This is what I'm talking about. Just how
>confusing this ****ing usenet can be. Maybe I should just send
>messages to my dog. I know who the hell he is, and he never changes
>his callsign.

Now THAT'S what I call an argument.

>I'm a private pilot SEL with an out of date instrument rating, 640
>hours, 225 in
>gliders. I have no idea what Sydney's time or ratings are. My
>impression is
>that she's at least a private pilot.
>
>PP: Yep it's what I figured! Another armchair Aviator
>whose going to dictate exactly what Comm pilots and ATP's say.

Another ATP that thinks private pilots are below him, and should say and do what
he wants. What a surprise. That's exactly what Bill thinks.

You know, without engineers, pilots would be working on ferry boats.

>Like I said, "Pac" - you're still leaving too many clues. Go back
>over the last
>three exchanges, and look at what you *didn't* say.
>
>
>PP: I'm leaving a ****load of clues as to
>who I am, but you don't have enough experience in aviation to pick up
>on them. I suggest you ask Capt Doug or Rich S. the B727 Capt what
>their opinion is. I've never met either one of those gentlemen but
>because of a career of flying jets for 20 years I know they are
>legitimate jet jocks. I would bet $1000.00 that both of these guys
>fly big iron, but are sane enough not to pick fights with vicious
>posters like you. Maybe I should try to go back to work instead of
>trying to provide a different perspective to this group.

Oh, yes, how horribly vicious I am, pointing out that you and Bill are the same
person. How much better I would be if I used foul language and said posters
were like mass murderers, threatened them and belittled them for trying to do
good things for other people. Yes, I see, that would make this a much better
place to post.

Here's a list of the people I would rather see leave RAH than Badwater Plyer --

...............

Larry, I'm sorry, you don't make the cut. For all your foibles, you're just not
in his league.

[John Ousterhout]

On 6 Jan 2004 16:22:38 -0800, (pacplyer) wrote:

>PP: Well until I picked up reactions from
>the regulars, I was sure you were Sydney. I mean you said it
>yourself: have you ever met her? How do you know she is Snowbird?
>Is that two people? Is Sydney also StellaStar and Ladypilot? That's
>what I think.

I, and several other rec aviation members, have seen and interacted
with Sydney/Snowbird and Stella Star at the same place at the same
time. Logically, it is therefore certain that they are not the same
person.

We have never seen either of them and Michael Jackson at the same
time, but regardless of their unproven claims that they have never met
Michael it has not been proven that they haven't.

> But I've never actually met anyone in Usenet
>Newsgroups. There's no ****ing pictures.

Plenty of the rec aviation gang are in (PG rated) pictures here:
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm

Also here: http://www.jouster.0catch.com/index.html

- John (who has been seen personally by many rec aviation members)
Ousterhout -

[Morgans]

"Sounds like Diarreha" > wrote in message
...
> > > pac "why am even explaining myself" plyer
>
> > Larry Smith > wrote:
>
> > Who cares?
>
> My thoughts exactly.
>
> Too many quotations from too many threads over too long a period of
> time.
>
> Pac plyer you must have spent all afternoon with your good friend
> GOOGLE.
>
> Mr. Plyer I don't have a clue how many different people you are quoting
> in your 267 line piece of verbal diarreha but it's lots.
>
> For the record YOU may not be BWB but of all the regular posters to
> this group YOU sure want to smooch his ass an awful lot.
>
> Bernie

Perhaps a new and improved "wingy"
--
Jim in NC

[Snowbird]

"Larry Smith" > wrote in message >...
> Who cares?

Great Merciful Martians!

I find myself agreeing with Larry Smith! Twice in a
week even (You're right, Lar, that "Campus Crusade for
Cthulhu" sticker was particularly touching.)

Lar, do you ever try sousing your pesky phillips fastners
with your favorite penetrating oil the night before you set
to work on 'em?

Cheers,
Sydney

[Richard Isakson]

"John Ousterhout" wrote ...
> - John (who has been seen personally by many rec aviation members)
> Ousterhout -

I can testify that John isn't BWB or the Zoomer or ... well, me.

Hmm, I can't be sure he's not Larry Smith though.

Rich

[pacplyer]

Dear Dr. Snow,

I actually agree that I'm a terrible terrible person for pressing you
so hard. And that I should leave. You're halfway there to getting
rid of me for good. Not a bad trade huh? Just state you were hard on
BWB, and know-it-all: the Hitler Youth (that would be me, as Strickler
calls me.) hits the road. Or, if you want me to stay, I will turn my
guns on the real culprit here. Remember my agenda: to cause fireworks
and be entertained. Ya gotta give me just a little more olive branch
to work with here. This is not a spoof, you have my word as a
gentleman (who cusses a lot, unfortunately)

Here's a shot of me at 26 in Anchorage, and my wife at Oshgosh if it
works. Man you guys are smart if you know how to do this stuff...
Hmmmm...I'll rummage through old files to post my 737 licence
tommorrow... standby..

http://xpupload.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPLargeView?com=usUtil&awp=largeview3mbr.html&pict_id=31954132&index=0&album_id=3352444

Did it work?

pacplyer


wrote in message >...
> In article >, pacplyer says...
> >
> >(This is in response to , whose messages I can't see on google
> >because he's terrified of posting like the rest of us.) PP = me,
> >pacplyer
> >>PP: Ask her, she responded to it. "O.K. I'm sorry and I
> >won't pull her hair anymore."
> >
> >
> >(Unless you never
> >made one, and I still can't find it on Google. You would have
> >included the word
> >"apology" or "apologize" or "Sydney" or "sorry" in a post like that,
> >wouldn't
> >you?)
> >
> >PP: This is why I have trouble believing that you were
> >involved in Apollo. If you can arrange to spin my hard drive and leaf
> >through my Apollo collection and collect credit card numbers,
>
> I have no idea what that's about.
>
> >but you
> >can't type in sophisticated search algorithims? WTF?
>
> Apparently, neither can the Youngest Pilot Ever Rated To Fly The 737. You
> could, you know, run the search yourself and post a Google URL. And post it.
> And quote it.
>
> >Further, you
> >don't want anything archived, because you figure that if you continue
> >slandering me and are found to be an accomplice to cyber-crimes these
> >posts of yours might be enough to convince authorities. You're hoping
> >that I'm not printing these out. Bad news for you. I have been.
>
> If you think that my posting that I believe you are a sock puppet for Badwater
> Bill is something that would interest "the Authorities" then I have you wrong.
> Even Bill isn't that delusional. That's well into Zoom's land of mental defect.
>
> >
> >That's so odd, in the past you've said you followed the Zoom wars and
> >knew all
> >the players. Isn't that strange.
> >
> >PP: Well until I picked up reactions from
> >the regulars, I was sure you were Sydney. I mean you said it
> >yourself: have you ever met her? How do you know she is Snowbird?
> >Is that two people? Is Sydney also StellaStar and Ladypilot? That's
> >what I think. But I've never actually met anyone in Usenet
> >Newsgroups. There's no ****ing pictures. And I was convinced until
> >recently that Bernie the Bunion was playing the role of Zoom, since he
> >always defended any jokes about that character.
>
> No, you said you had followed the Zoom wars since the mid 90's, long before
> Bernie showed up.
>
> >But maybe I'm just
> >not cut out for usenet, because a lot of the time, I can't figure out
> >what the #$@5 is going on! Now you have nothing to worry about from
> >me, if you knock off the attacks.
>
> An interesting point of philosophy. Is my posting my opinion that you are
> Bill's sock puppet, and listing my reasons for thinking so, an attack?
>
> Or is my calling Bill a backstabbing, vicious, evil waste of a human being an
> attack on you - if you're not Bill?
>
> >But none of this would have
> >happened in the first place if you would post like a man, without all
> >this subterfuge. Or if you wouldn't behave like Pol Pot or Stalin
> >when somebody has an opinion or preference different than yours.
>
> To all: does Godwin's law apply to Pol Pot and Stalin, or just to Hitler?
>
> It wouldn't matter if I posted with a name or not. Or whether that name was
> real or not. I'd still be calling you a Badwater sock puppet. And you'd still
> be posting anonymously, claiming you aren't.
>
> And, I don't remember killing millions of people for any reason, including a
> difference of opinion. Did I miss it? Was I on the phone, and forgot that I
> had 100,000 people in the oven? Let me do a google search - mass killing.
> genocide. executions. No, I don't find anything. Do you have any
> dates of these mass murders I could look up?
>
> >Accepting help from you is like
> >setting
> >yourself on fire because it's a little cold outside.
> >
> >PP: Again laser-brain: You
> >are slandering the wrong poster. When this is pointed out to me by
> >the regulars, I apologize. This is what I'm talking about. Just how
> >confusing this ****ing usenet can be. Maybe I should just send
> >messages to my dog. I know who the hell he is, and he never changes
> >his callsign.
>
> Now THAT'S what I call an argument.
>
> >I'm a private pilot SEL with an out of date instrument rating, 640
> >hours, 225 in
> >gliders. I have no idea what Sydney's time or ratings are. My
> >impression is
> >that she's at least a private pilot.
> >
> >PP: Yep it's what I figured! Another armchair Aviator
> >whose going to dictate exactly what Comm pilots and ATP's say.
>
> Another ATP that thinks private pilots are below him, and should say and do what
> he wants. What a surprise. That's exactly what Bill thinks.
>
> You know, without engineers, pilots would be working on ferry boats.
>
> >Like I said, "Pac" - you're still leaving too many clues. Go back
> >over the last
> >three exchanges, and look at what you *didn't* say.
> >
> >
> >PP: I'm leaving a ****load of clues as to
> >who I am, but you don't have enough experience in aviation to pick up
> >on them. I suggest you ask Capt Doug or Rich S. the B727 Capt what
> >their opinion is. I've never met either one of those gentlemen but
> >because of a career of flying jets for 20 years I know they are
> >legitimate jet jocks. I would bet $1000.00 that both of these guys
> >fly big iron, but are sane enough not to pick fights with vicious
> >posters like you. Maybe I should try to go back to work instead of
> >trying to provide a different perspective to this group.
>
> Oh, yes, how horribly vicious I am, pointing out that you and Bill are the same
> person. How much better I would be if I used foul language and said posters
> were like mass murderers, threatened them and belittled them for trying to do
> good things for other people. Yes, I see, that would make this a much better
> place to post.
>
> Here's a list of the people I would rather see leave RAH than Badwater Plyer --
>
> ..............
>
> Larry, I'm sorry, you don't make the cut. For all your foibles, you're just not
> in his league.


"Morgans" > wrote in message >...
> "Sounds like Diarreha" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > > pac "why am even explaining myself" plyer
>
> > > Larry Smith > wrote:
>
> > > Who cares?
> >
> > My thoughts exactly.
> >
> > Too many quotations from too many threads over too long a period of
> > time.
> >
> > Pac plyer you must have spent all afternoon with your good friend
> > GOOGLE.
> >
> > Mr. Plyer I don't have a clue how many different people you are quoting
> > in your 267 line piece of verbal diarreha but it's lots.
> >
> > For the record YOU may not be BWB but of all the regular posters to
> > this group YOU sure want to smooch his ass an awful lot.
> >
> > Bernie
>
> Perhaps a new and improved "wingy"

[pacplyer]

John Ousterhout >
wrote
> I, and several other rec aviation members, have seen and interacted
> with Sydney/Snowbird and Stella Star at the same place at the same
> time. Logically, it is therefore certain that they are not the same
> person.
>
> We have never seen either of them and Michael Jackson at the same
> time, but regardless of their unproven claims that they have never met
> Michael it has not been proven that they haven't.
>
> > But I've never actually met anyone in Usenet
> >Newsgroups. There's no ****ing pictures.
>
> Plenty of the rec aviation gang are in (PG rated) pictures here:
> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm
>
> Also here: http://www.jouster.0catch.com/index.html
>
> - John (who has been seen personally by many rec aviation members)
> Ousterhout -

LOL!

Yeah I'm kinda of work-station challenged. Nice Webpage by the way.
I dig the pitot "heater" on your Cessna! Lol! So that's where
Pinckneyville is. It's making much more sense to me now. Looks like
a fun bunch. Thanks much for the links John,

pacplyer

[[email protected]]

In article >, pacplyer says...
>
>John Ousterhout >
>wrote
>> I, and several other rec aviation members, have seen and interacted
>> with Sydney/Snowbird and Stella Star at the same place at the same
>> time. Logically, it is therefore certain that they are not the same
>> person.
>>
>> We have never seen either of them and Michael Jackson at the same
>> time, but regardless of their unproven claims that they have never met
>> Michael it has not been proven that they haven't.
>>
>> > But I've never actually met anyone in Usenet
>> >Newsgroups. There's no ****ing pictures.
>>
>> Plenty of the rec aviation gang are in (PG rated) pictures here:
>> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm
>>
>> Also here: http://www.jouster.0catch.com/index.html
>>
>> - John (who has been seen personally by many rec aviation members)
>> Ousterhout -
>
>LOL!
>
>Yeah I'm kinda of work-station challenged. Nice Webpage by the way.
>I dig the pitot "heater" on your Cessna! Lol! So that's where
>Pinckneyville is. It's making much more sense to me now. Looks like
>a fun bunch. Thanks much for the links John,

Odd that you didn't know about it before, since you lurked here since the mid
90's and everything. And very odd that you didn't know about trying to shut it
down, and get JRJ's internet service pulled and his hangar lease canceled
because he hosted it. JRJ, if you don't "remember", is one of the people of
great experience that Badwater ran off the newsgroup.

But you knew that.

[[email protected]]

In article >, pacplyer says...
>
>Dear Dr. Snow,
>
>I actually agree that I'm a terrible terrible person for pressing you
>so hard. And that I should leave. You're halfway there to getting
>rid of me for good. Not a bad trade huh? Just state you were hard on
>BWB, and know-it-all: the Hitler Youth (that would be me, as Strickler
>calls me.) hits the road.

Sadly, I do not speak for Sydney; or John, Walt, Richard, Sherri, Jordan or any
of Badwater Bill's other targets. For myself, I will state emphatically that I
was hard on BWB, also known as Badwater Bill.

Now please honor your side of your offer and go away for good. Under all your
names, and any new ones.

>Or, if you want me to stay, I will turn my
>guns on the real culprit here. Remember my agenda: to cause fireworks
>and be entertained. Ya gotta give me just a little more olive branch
>to work with here. This is not a spoof, you have my word as a
>gentleman (who cusses a lot, unfortunately)
>
>Here's a shot of me at 26 in Anchorage, and my wife at Oshgosh if it
>works. Man you guys are smart if you know how to do this stuff...
>Hmmmm...I'll rummage through old files to post my 737 licence
>tommorrow... standby..
>
>http://xpupload.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPLargeView?com=usUtil&awp=largeview3mbr.html&pict_id=31954132&index=0&album_id=3352444
>
>Did it work?
>
Just as well as the rest of your denials.

[RU ok]

On 7 Jan 2004 08:03:22 -0800, wrote:

>>Yeah I'm kinda of work-station challenged. Nice Webpage by the way.
>>I dig the pitot "heater" on your Cessna! Lol! So that's where
>>Pinckneyville is. It's making much more sense to me now. Looks like
>>a fun bunch. Thanks much for the links John,
>
>Odd that you didn't know about it before, since you lurked here since the mid
>90's and everything. And very odd that you didn't know about trying to shut it
>down, and get JRJ's internet service pulled and his hangar lease canceled
>because he hosted it. JRJ, if you don't "remember", is one of the people of
>great experience that Badwater ran off the newsgroup.
>
>But you knew that.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Last time I had lunch with JRJ, he didn't mention being 'run off'.

JRJ recently retired and may be quite tired of BWB's antics..
but, I do believe he is unaware of being.... 'run off'.

How about it, Snowbird, and Dave Hyde?
Got any JRJ news or sightings since you are in his neck of the woods?
Is there going to be a Pinckneyville 2004? (PJY)

I hate showing when nobody else is there. <g>



Barnyard BOb -- ducking, weaving and bobbing

[B25flyer]

>Sadly, I do not speak for Sydney; or John, Walt, Richard, Sherri, Jordan or
>any
>of Badwater Bill's other targets

I didnt know I was a target.

Walt

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, RU ok says...

>Last time I had lunch with JRJ, he didn't mention being 'run off'.
>
>JRJ recently retired and may be quite tired of BWB's antics..
>but, I do believe he is unaware of being.... 'run off'.

I doubt anyone could "run off" JRJ I bet he's suprised to learn that he was "run
off".
>
>How about it, Snowbird, and Dave Hyde?
>Got any JRJ news or sightings since you are in his neck of the woods?
>Is there going to be a Pinckneyville 2004? (PJY)

If there is I want to go this year .I was looking at some of the photos of the
past years and it brought back fond memories of the first time the RAH-15 met.
I'm still proud to know 14 of them and only disappointed in 1.

God I'd love to play Hotel California one more time with Tony and I bet all you
guys that laughed about how many times we played it would stop and listen:-)
>
>I hate showing when nobody else is there. <g>

That's what zoom said at his testimonial dinner LOL!!\

See ya

Chuck (I still am who I am and that's all that we are) S

>
>
>
>Barnyard BOb -- ducking, weaving and bobbing
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Rich Ahrens]

RU ok wrote:
> How about it, Snowbird, and Dave Hyde?
> Got any JRJ news or sightings since you are in his neck of the woods?
> Is there going to be a Pinckneyville 2004? (PJY)
>
> I hate showing when nobody else is there. <g>

The past few times, you didn't show up when we *were* there. So what's
it gonna take to get you across that river, Bob?

[Snowbird]

ChuckSlusarczyk > wrote in message >...
> In article >, RU ok says...
> >Last time I had lunch with JRJ, he didn't mention being 'run off'.

> >JRJ recently retired and may be quite tired of BWB's antics..
> >but, I do believe he is unaware of being.... 'run off'.

> I doubt anyone could "run off" JRJ I bet he's suprised to
> learn that he was "run off".

I don't think he was "run off" but like a bunch of knowledgeable
folks didn't care for what the group had become for a while and
spent less time posting here and more on other groups. Maybe that
seems like "distinction without a difference" as I write it but
it's clear in my mind.

Since he's retired, he's been way too busy to hack around on
the net :). It's hard even to get ahold of him by email.

> >How about it, Snowbird, and Dave Hyde?
> >Got any JRJ news or sightings since you are in his neck of the woods?
> >Is there going to be a Pinckneyville 2004? (PJY)

I saw him in late June. He was annualling a Yak. I talked to
him in September when he'd just returned from a couple months
touring Scandanavia and was about to head off on a round of
visits to kids and grandkids (that'd take a while). That's it.

I'll see what I can do to track him down, God willing and the
plugs don't short.

>If there is I want to go this year .

That would be grand!

> God I'd love to play Hotel California one more time with Tony

You know what, Chuck, I still can't listen to that damn song
without getting tears in my eyes. I even scored stupidly high
on a music quiz 'cuz I knew "warm smell of _______ rising up
through the air"

Cheers,
Sydney

[RU ok]

Rich Ahrens wrote:

>RU ok wrote:
>> How about it, Snowbird, and Dave Hyde?
>> Got any JRJ news or sightings since you are in his neck of the woods?
>> Is there going to be a Pinckneyville 2004? (PJY)
>>
>> I hate showing when nobody else is there. <g>
>
>The past few times, you didn't show up when we *were* there. So what's
>it gonna take to get you across that river, Bob?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Past FEW times?

Geeez....
Is that was missing last year is defined as?

The weather sucked and I wasn't up to driving.
That's what happens when you get old, cranky
and almost as full of arthritis as being full of ****.

I hope to do better this year, but ya never know
about the weather... or me. <g>


Barnyard BOb -

[Richard Riley]

On 7 Jan 2004 11:58:39 -0800, ChuckSlusarczyk
> wrote:

:
:If there is I want to go this year .I was looking at some of the photos of the
:past years and it brought back fond memories of the first time the RAH-15 met.
:I'm still proud to know 14 of them and only disappointed in 1.

Proud to know 10. Scratch my head about 2. Disappointed in one.
Miss one deeply.

Still not sure if I know myself. ;)

[pacplyer]

wrote in message >...
> In article >, pacplyer says...
> >
> >John Ousterhout >
> >wrote
> >> I, and several other rec aviation members, have seen and interacted
> >> with Sydney/Snowbird and Stella Star at the same place at the same
> >> time. Logically, it is therefore certain that they are not the same
> >> person.
> >>
> >> We have never seen either of them and Michael Jackson at the same
> >> time, but regardless of their unproven claims that they have never met
> >> Michael it has not been proven that they haven't.
> >>
> >> > But I've never actually met anyone in Usenet
> >> >Newsgroups. There's no ****ing pictures.
> >>
> >> Plenty of the rec aviation gang are in (PG rated) pictures here:
> >> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm
> >>
> >> Also here: http://www.jouster.0catch.com/index.html
> >>
> >> - John (who has been seen personally by many rec aviation members)
> >> Ousterhout -
> >
> >LOL!
> >
> >Yeah I'm kinda of work-station challenged. Nice Webpage by the way.
> >I dig the pitot "heater" on your Cessna! Lol! So that's where
> >Pinckneyville is. It's making much more sense to me now. Looks like
> >a fun bunch. Thanks much for the links John,
>
> Odd that you didn't know about it before, since you lurked here since the mid
> 90's and everything. And very odd that you didn't know about trying to shut it
> down, and get JRJ's internet service pulled and his hangar lease canceled
> because he hosted it. JRJ, if you don't "remember", is one of the people of
> great experience that Badwater ran off the newsgroup.
>
> But you knew that.

LOL! You and I do have something in common after all aye.. We're
both parinoid its a troll that's after us! :^D ROTFOL! Ya know, I'm
sure that you have read everything that's ever been printed on the
internet. I don't doubt that a bit. Are you doing moondust, or is
this group really that vicious? And how pray tell, could one
accomplish such stabs? You've made another slander, and I'm asking
you for more details. Is that unreasonable? Tell you what spy vs.
spy, tell me where and how to upload some pictures and I'll prove that
I'm just a newbie dumb**** that surfs but has only made 2 posts from
the P.I. years ago. You may not realize it, but there's tons of
interesting websites to read. I wonder if BWB has seen any of this
yet (if he's not one of you.) He's going to laugh his ass off because
he's just bits on a screen to me!
But I think all you guys in this thread are slightly
off your rockers. Usenet is not real. Maybe it used to be the domain
of serious Darpar military people and universities, but now, all us
newbies have a cheap computer. It's going to morph into general
society and there's nothing you can do about it. You are still
confusing my style with your mortal enemy. And I'll admit to hero
worship. I'm copying some of BWB's clever axioms because I think much
the same way he does. I wish I could write like he does. You said
yourself: 1)I'm not very entertaining.
But the more I engauge you aye, the more I'm sure you're digging a
foxhole cuz you're sure I'm Bills boy come to get you. LOOK OUT! IT'S
A TROLL!

;-) show me how, I'll give you non-troll pictures

pac

Just my newbie opinion! :-)

pacplyer

[pacplyer]

RU ok > wrote in message >...
> On 7 Jan 2004 08:03:22 -0800, wrote:
>
> >>Yeah I'm kinda of work-station challenged. Nice Webpage by the way.
> >>I dig the pitot "heater" on your Cessna! Lol! So that's where
> >>Pinckneyville is. It's making much more sense to me now. Looks like
> >>a fun bunch. Thanks much for the links John,
> >
> >Odd that you didn't know about it before, since you lurked here since the mid
> >90's and everything. And very odd that you didn't know about trying to shut it
> >down, and get JRJ's internet service pulled and his hangar lease canceled
> >because he hosted it. JRJ, if you don't "remember", is one of the people of
> >great experience that Badwater ran off the newsgroup.
> >
> >But you knew that.
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Last time I had lunch with JRJ, he didn't mention being 'run off'.
>
> JRJ recently retired and may be quite tired of BWB's antics..
> but, I do believe he is unaware of being.... 'run off'.
>
> How about it, Snowbird, and Dave Hyde?
> Got any JRJ news or sightings since you are in his neck of the woods?
> Is there going to be a Pinckneyville 2004? (PJY)
>
> I hate showing when nobody else is there. <g>
>
>
>
> Barnyard BOb -- ducking, weaving and bobbing

Hey BOb if you can read this, I could really use your advise here.
I've agitated with the lunar jokes and stuck my nose in to this
fued where it doesn't belong. What should I do to get out of this
graveyard spiral? Any ideas?

Any help is appreciated,

Pac

[Del Rawlins]

On 07 Jan 2004 11:18 PM, pacplyer posted the following:

> Hey BOb if you can read this, I could really use your advise here.
> I've agitated with the lunar jokes and stuck my nose in to this
> fued where it doesn't belong. What should I do to get out of this
> graveyard spiral? Any ideas?

I'm not BOb but the first rule of holes comes to mind.

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[RU ok]

>On 07 Jan 2004 11:18 PM, pacplyer posted the following:
>
>> Hey BOb if you can read this, I could really use your advise here.
>> I've agitated with the lunar jokes and stuck my nose in to this
>> fued where it doesn't belong. What should I do to get out of this
>> graveyard spiral? Any ideas?
>
>I'm not BOb but the first rule of holes comes to mind.

>
>Del Rawlins-
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Del,

You're kinda young to be admired by an old phart,
but damn, you have posted some good stuff, lately.


Barnyard BOb - over 50 years of successful flight

[nafod40]

Snowbird wrote:
> I saw him in late June. He was annualling a Yak. I talked to
> him in September when he'd just returned from a couple months
> touring Scandanavia...

Sounds like a Swedish porn star. I'd like to see him try it with a Caribou.

[Del Rawlins]

On 08 Jan 2004 03:52 AM, RU ok posted the following:

> You're kinda young to be admired by an old phart,
> but damn, you have posted some good stuff, lately.

That's only because you didn't see what I said about you in the Bearhawk
group. No matter, the meds seem to be working now. Either that or it
is just because there are no auto conversion threads going on right now.
I have to say I am glad to see you on a more even keel these days. 8^)

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[Snowbird]

RU ok > wrote in message >...

> Del,
> You're kinda young to be admired by an old phart,
> but damn, you have posted some good stuff, lately.

Hmmmph, now I'm really jealous. You've never
said that to me.

OK -- I'm Del Rawlins. Now where's that Bearhawk
rib jig?

Sydney

[Snowbird]

(pacplyer) wrote in message >...

> Hey BOb if you can read this, I could really use your advise here.
> I've agitated with the lunar jokes and stuck my nose in to this
> fued where it doesn't belong. What should I do to get out of this
> graveyard spiral? Any ideas?

> Any help is appreciated,

There's a saying: "Even a Fish wouldn't get into
trouble if it kept its Mouth shut

I think there's a corellary for typing

Helpful Sydney

[Del Rawlins]

On 08 Jan 2004 09:53 AM, Snowbird posted the following:

> OK -- I'm Del Rawlins. Now where's that Bearhawk
> rib jig?

Hell, I've had the ribs done since 1999. Right now my two biggest
problems are repairing my wife's busted up subaru which is occupying my
workspace, and materials procurement. The former problem is nearly done,
I just have to drag myself away from the computer for long enough to
shoot the color coat. The latter is an unfortunate price of living up
here at the end of the Bearhawk supply lines.

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[RU ok]

>> You're kinda young to be admired by an old phart,
>> but damn, you have posted some good stuff, lately.
>
>That's only because you didn't see what I said about you in the Bearhawk
>group. No matter, the meds seem to be working now. Either that or it
>is just because there are no auto conversion threads going on right now.
>I have to say I am glad to see you on a more even keel these days. 8^)
>
>Del Rawlins-
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Not on any meds, thank yew.
Besides, I was talking about YOU, not MOI. <g>


P.S.
Auto conversions are here to stay and that's A-O-K.
It's the Bruce/Corky treatment of this most serious
subject, especially when they attempt comparisons
of safety to Lycoming, that blows my friggin' mind.


Barnyard BOb -

[RU ok]

>> Hey BOb if you can read this, I could really use your advise here.
>> I've agitated with the lunar jokes and stuck my nose in to this
>> fued where it doesn't belong. What should I do to get out of this
>> graveyard spiral? Any ideas?
>
>> Any help is appreciated,
>
>There's a saying: "Even a Fish wouldn't get into
>trouble if it kept its Mouth shut
>
>I think there's a corellary for typing
>
>Helpful Sydney
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Sydney, that would be .....

'corollary'.



And for pac --

it would be...

'advice'



Helpful and advising BOb --

[pacplyer]

RU ok > wrote in message >...
> >On 07 Jan 2004 11:18 PM, pacplyer posted the following:
> >
> >> Hey BOb if you can read this, I could really use your advise here.
> >> I've agitated with the lunar jokes and stuck my nose in to this
> >> fued where it doesn't belong. What should I do to get out of this
> >> graveyard spiral? Any ideas?
> >
> >I'm not BOb but the first rule of holes comes to mind.
>
> >
> >Del Rawlins-
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Del,
>
> You're kinda young to be admired by an old phart,
> but damn, you have posted some good stuff, lately.
>
>
> Barnyard BOb - over 50 years of successful flight

I agree, for a junior birdman, he comes up with some good ones.

pacplyer

[O-ring Seals]

On 7 Jan 2004 10:36:52 -0800, wrote:

I guess that I will take the opportunity to top post here, as see no
point in doing it the other way if I am following the thread.

As one of the first (and very few) participants in the first fly-in at
PJY, I would like to help set the record straight. As a close
associate of Bill Phillips, I can assure you that he never wanted to
keep JRJ from hosting the Pinckneville event. The Jean (NV) event,
which Bill and I coordinated, was never intended to replace any other
fly-in. It was intended as an event for those who could not make it
all the way from the west coast to PJY. Highflyer did attend, and he
flew out in a Cessna 175. He has lots of stories about that trip.

JRJ is a fine person and his wife Mary is a Saint. Pinckneyville
itself does have some shortcomings, and these were expressed on this
group by Bill and myself. The fly-in is what you make of it. It
(after four trips) just was not worth the 1200 mile trip.

I wish that JRJ would participate more in this group. He and Mary
paid me a personal visit at The Selma Aerodrome , and I would welcome
both of them here again.

Like me, I think that John stayed with the group as long as he felt
that it was worth the effort. You should notice (and may welcome) the
fact that I also now rarely post here.

Robert G. (O-ring) Seals

>
>Let me be obnoxiously precise.
>
>Badwater decided that JRJ should no longer host the RAH fly in at Pinkneyville,
>and proposed his own at Jean.
>
>He posted frequently about what a very bad person JRJ was, and how bad
>Pinkneyville was (both as a fly-in and as a city)
>
>Thereafter, JRJ's participation here was greatly reduced.
>
>That may be due to changes in his life unrelated to the newsgroup. But I have
>assumed it was due to the newsgroup becoming a hostile place, because of "BWB's
>antics."
>

[pacplyer]

(Snowbird) wrote in message >...
> (pacplyer) wrote in message >...
>
> > Hey BOb if you can read this, I could really use your advise here.
> > I've agitated with the lunar jokes and stuck my nose in to this
> > fued where it doesn't belong. What should I do to get out of this
> > graveyard spiral? Any ideas?
>
> > Any help is appreciated,
>
> There's a saying: "Even a Fish wouldn't get into
> trouble if it kept its Mouth shut
>
> I think there's a corellary for typing
>
> Helpful Sydney

Pac says:

Thanks Snowbird. Then why didn't BOb attack me all this time? He's
clearly the Godfather in this family. :-) While I'm sure he doesn't
like my stuff at all, or me, and thinks I'm a loudmouth, which I am, I
admire the way he's regulated this NG. Although Larry hates it, I
think Uncle BOb has consistantly been fair to everybody. And I admire
your and "a"'s ability to stand up to the hitler youth without
flinching. Most people would have slurked off and crawled into a
bottle. That says alot about your character.

"BREAK/BREAK, ,"

I'll be cruising above the cloud deck, minding my own business and
then you dive out of the sun and throw all this extra baggage on top
of me. Every time I dip down into the clouds with you, I pick up a
****load of ice.

I keep telling you "a," those aren't my bags. You're putting them on
the wrong flight. :-) And when I figure out how to do pictures I'll
prove it to you.

I thought the rec in this newsgroup stood for recreation. But maybe
it's rectal constipation instead. LOL!

Despair not, oh, all you lurkers: one of these days the Rah family
will let you state an opinion here.

;-)

pacplyer

[Snowbird]

RU ok > wrote in message >...
> Sydney, that would be .....
>
> 'corollary'.

> And for pac --

> it would be...

> 'advice'

> Helpful and advising BOb --

Darling Unk,

It's a comfort to know that with you (and a bottle
of muzzleloader) at hand, a dictionary will not be
needed to enliven the party

Spelling-impaired Sydney

[Del Rawlins]

On 08 Jan 2004 01:24 PM, pacplyer posted the following:

I agree, for a junior birdman, he comes up with some good ones.

Just remember I'll be flying around long after your medical is gone. So
be nice, because you might want a ride someday. 8^)

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[Here We Go Again]

> > "O-ring Seals" > wrote

> > I would like to help set the record straight.

This should be interesting.

> > As a close associate of Bill Phillips, I can assure you that he never wanted to
> > keep JRJ from hosting the Pinckneville event.

Pray tell us how would you possibly stop him considering it was his
home airport, hosted in his hangar, with surprisingly enough himself
and his wife as host and hostess.

> > The Jean (NV) event, which Bill and I coordinated, was never intended
> > to replace any other fly-in.

Gag me with a spoon.

> > Pinckneyville itself does have some shortcomings,

Couldn't prove that by the positive comments the bunion has been
reading from the regulars in this group who have been attending these
last number of years and posting rave revues after each and every
fly in.

> > and these were expressed on this group by Bill and myself.

Correct this bunion if I'm wrong but didn't most of Bill's opinions
revolve around a sack of beer and a couple of bucks as well as the
well used "C" word from Bill's mouth and how it pertained to a certain
female pilot who is not only a regular to this group but also a regular
at the Pinckneyville fly in.

> > The fly-in is what you make of it.

All fly ins are what the participants make of it, unfortunately your
good friend Bill decided to try to grind this one into the dust in the
most personal and vile way possible.

> > I wish that JRJ would participate more in this group.

After the way he was publicly treated in this group by Bill and a few
others who could blame him for dropping out.

> Morgans > wrote:

> I second your recollections.

Google is your friend and you might wish to refresh your memory by
spending a few hours with your friend Google.

> In addition to your comments, I would add that the ill will that developed,
> came from the manner in which Bill expressed the shortcomings, and
> why they were going to prevent him from returning.
> Other people (not Bill or John) interpreted, and blew up those opinions,
> until it was a real mess.

> That was my take on it, in my recollections.

Whatever you wish to believe Morgans but don't be surprised if others
in this group have a vastly different recollections of the events in
question.

Anyone else in this group want to take a stab at their recollections of
the events of that particular spring and summer....... Anyone...?????

As usual everyone's favourite Bunion......
Bernie

[Del Rawlins]

On 08 Jan 2004 07:24 PM, Here We Go Again posted the following:
<same old **** snipped>

That will be quite enough. There is nothing new that can possibly be
posted about this argument, and it would be considerate of those
interested to just let the thread die. Neither of the principal
antagonists are even posting here currently. For once, let it drop. We
don't need to go there again.

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Oh, and by the way. Bernie, you once claimed that the only reason you
were around was to harass Phillips. He is gone, so WTF are you still
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[Morgans]

"O-ring Seals" > wrote in message
...
> On 7 Jan 2004 10:36:52 -0800, wrote:
>
> I guess that I will take the opportunity to top post here, as see no
> point in doing it the other way if I am following the thread.
>
> As one of the first (and very few) participants in the first fly-in at
> PJY, I would like to help set the record straight. As a close
> associate of Bill Phillips, I can assure you that he never wanted to
> keep JRJ from hosting the Pinckneville event. The Jean (NV) event,
> which Bill and I coordinated, was never intended to replace any other
> fly-in. It was intended as an event for those who could not make it
> all the way from the west coast to PJY. Highflyer did attend, and he
> flew out in a Cessna 175. He has lots of stories about that trip.
>
> JRJ is a fine person and his wife Mary is a Saint. Pinckneyville
> itself does have some shortcomings, and these were expressed on this
> group by Bill and myself. The fly-in is what you make of it. It
> (after four trips) just was not worth the 1200 mile trip.
>
> I wish that JRJ would participate more in this group. He and Mary
> paid me a personal visit at The Selma Aerodrome , and I would welcome
> both of them here again.
>
> Like me, I think that John stayed with the group as long as he felt
> that it was worth the effort. You should notice (and may welcome) the
> fact that I also now rarely post here.
>
> Robert G. (O-ring) Seals

I second your recollections. In addition to your comments, I would add that
the ill will that developed, came from the manner in which Bill expressed
the shortcomings, and why they were going to prevent him from returning.
Other people (not Bill or John) interpreted, and blew up those opinions,
until it was a real mess. That was my take on it, in my recollections.
--
Jim in NC

[John Ammeter]

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 04:24:35 GMT, Here We Go Again
> wrote:

>> > "O-ring Seals" > wrote
>
>> > I would like to help set the record straight.
>
>This should be interesting.
>
>> > As a close associate of Bill Phillips, I can assure you that he never wanted to
>> > keep JRJ from hosting the Pinckneville event.
>
>Pray tell us how would you possibly stop him considering it was his
>home airport, hosted in his hangar, with surprisingly enough himself
>and his wife as host and hostess.
>
>> > The Jean (NV) event, which Bill and I coordinated, was never intended
>> > to replace any other fly-in.
>
>Gag me with a spoon.
>
>> > Pinckneyville itself does have some shortcomings,
>
>Couldn't prove that by the positive comments the bunion has been
>reading from the regulars in this group who have been attending these
>last number of years and posting rave revues after each and every
>fly in.
>
Since you've never been there ( I assume...) let me tell you
what's it's like. The airport is located about 5 miles from
the town. Pinckneyville is like most of rural America in
the flat parts of the Nation... lots of land, most stores
(and people, too) are pretty ancient but well preserved.

The airport is typical small America... A few hangars of
various descriptions. John Johnson's hangar is quite large
but well filled with aircraft parts. I'm sure, given the
time, one could build several aircraft from just the visible
items.

Food is provided by communal efforts. A couple of BBQ
grills are set up for lunch and dinner. Items cooked are
personal specialties of attendee's.

In other words, the "fly-in" is just a bunch of friends
meeting at a small airport in the middle of nowhere.

I can't see "rave revues" being an accurate description of
the event. Granted, we had a good time but no more than we
would have had at a beach picnic on the Fourth of July...

The airport and accommadations are lacking to a degree...
For what it offers, Pinckneyville does a great job but not
worth the time and money it takes for me to go there. I
enjoyed meeting and visiting the people I met there. If not
for Pinckneyville, I wouldn't have had the opportunity to
meet Tony. For that, Pinckneyville was worth all the effort
nad money it took to get there.

John Ammeter











>> > and these were expressed on this group by Bill and myself.
>
>Correct this bunion if I'm wrong but didn't most of Bill's opinions
>revolve around a sack of beer and a couple of bucks as well as the
>well used "C" word from Bill's mouth and how it pertained to a certain
>female pilot who is not only a regular to this group but also a regular
>at the Pinckneyville fly in.
>
>> > The fly-in is what you make of it.
>
>All fly ins are what the participants make of it, unfortunately your
>good friend Bill decided to try to grind this one into the dust in the
>most personal and vile way possible.
>
>> > I wish that JRJ would participate more in this group.
>
>After the way he was publicly treated in this group by Bill and a few
>others who could blame him for dropping out.
>
>> Morgans > wrote:
>
>> I second your recollections.
>
>Google is your friend and you might wish to refresh your memory by
>spending a few hours with your friend Google.
>
>> In addition to your comments, I would add that the ill will that developed,
>> came from the manner in which Bill expressed the shortcomings, and
>> why they were going to prevent him from returning.
>> Other people (not Bill or John) interpreted, and blew up those opinions,
>> until it was a real mess.
>
>> That was my take on it, in my recollections.
>
>Whatever you wish to believe Morgans but don't be surprised if others
>in this group have a vastly different recollections of the events in
>question.
>
>Anyone else in this group want to take a stab at their recollections of
>the events of that particular spring and summer....... Anyone...?????
>
>As usual everyone's favourite Bunion......
>Bernie

[Mark Hickey]

Del Rawlins > wrote:

>Right now my two biggest
>problems are repairing my wife's busted up subaru which is occupying my
>workspace, and materials procurement.

If an engine is one of the things you need to procure, I have an idea
how you can kill two birds with one stone...

.... just don't tell the wife (or BOb for that matter).

Mark Hickey

[pacplyer]

(O-ring Seals) wrote in message >...

>
> I guess that I will take the opportunity to top post here, as see no
> point in doing it the other way if I am following the thread.
>
> As one of the first (and very few) participants in the first fly-in at
> PJY, I would like to help set the record straight. As a close
> associate of Bill Phillips, I can assure you that he never wanted to
> keep JRJ from hosting the Pinckneville event. The Jean (NV) event,
> which Bill and I coordinated, was never intended to replace any other
> fly-in. It was intended as an event for those who could not make it
> all the way from the west coast to PJY. Highflyer did attend, and he
> flew out in a Cessna 175. He has lots of stories about that trip.
>
> JRJ is a fine person and his wife Mary is a Saint. Pinckneyville
> itself does have some shortcomings, and these were expressed on this
> group by Bill and myself. The fly-in is what you make of it. It
> (after four trips) just was not worth the 1200 mile trip.
>
> I wish that JRJ would participate more in this group. He and Mary
> paid me a personal visit at The Selma Aerodrome , and I would welcome
> both of them here again.
>
> Like me, I think that John stayed with the group as long as he felt
> that it was worth the effort. You should notice (and may welcome) the
> fact that I also now rarely post here.
>
> Robert G. (O-ring) Seals



> On 7 Jan 2004 10:36:52 -0800, wrote:

> >Let me be obnoxiously precise.
> >
> >Badwater decided that JRJ should no longer host the RAH fly in at Pinkneyville,
> >and proposed his own at Jean.
> >
> >He posted frequently about what a very bad person JRJ was, and how bad
> >Pinkneyville was (both as a fly-in and as a city)
> >
> >Thereafter, JRJ's participation here was greatly reduced.
> >
> >That may be due to changes in his life unrelated to the newsgroup. But I have
> >assumed it was due to the newsgroup becoming a hostile place, because of "BWB's
> >antics."

Pac writes:
Well I'm going to sink down here to the bottom to post since there's
too many German attack planes up there on the surface. Aaaa-uuuu-ga!
As a late-commer I've missed the beginning of this wolfpack war, but I
would enjoy going to Jean. Is there going to be another?

Down Periscope

pacplyer

[I'm Still Here]

> Del Rawlins > wrote:

> Oh, and by the way. Bernie, you once claimed that the only reason you
> were around was to harass Phillips. He is gone, so WTF are you still
> doing here?

Actually Del I lurk in this group daily and enjoy reading the stories
about flying and building airplanes that some of the regulars like
yourself post from time to time.

To me that's what makes this group worthwhile.

Perhaps one of these days I will get to read about your Bearhawk taking
to the air for the first time, although I understand you have to fix
your wife's car first.

As for me Del I really don't post here very often and yet I found it
both strange and interesting that my name was mentioned numerous times
this past week in a continuing thread involving two regulars called
and someone called pacplyer along with some of the other
regulars who chose to add their comments to that particular thread.

Other than that I do add positive comments on people's accomplishments
and from time to time ask curious questions about various aspects of
flying.

But I wouldn't expect you or anyone else in this group to be
aware of that fact...... or to remember.

In fact there where a few times when I asked you a question about your
Bearhawk and pointed out that as an Ex-Yukoner that I could appreciate
your lifestyle in Alaska and you never gave me the courtesy of an
answer.

[Bernie the Bunion]

> John Ammeter > wrote:

> I can't see "rave revues" being an accurate description of
> the event. Granted, we had a good time but no more than we
> would have had at a beach picnic on the Fourth of July...

Well I suppose rave revue would have to be in the eyes of the
individual posters and interpretation of the readers.

But I can tell you John that I both admire and am envious at your
abilities to fly to events like that and enjoy the camaraderie of those
events.

As a lurker I enjoy reading about the adventures of those that
can and do attend fly-ins as well as those that both build and fly
their own airplanes.....

Those are the sort of postings that catch the attention of an armchair
pilot like myself.

Bernie

[Del Rawlins]

On 08 Jan 2004 08:28 PM, Mark Hickey posted the following:
> Del Rawlins > wrote:
>
>>Right now my two biggest
>>problems are repairing my wife's busted up subaru which is occupying
>>my workspace, and materials procurement.
>
> If an engine is one of the things you need to procure, I have an idea
> how you can kill two birds with one stone...
>
> .... just don't tell the wife (or BOb for that matter).

Ah, well, the use of that particular Subaru powerplant for aviation
purposes just happens to be a sore subject in the Rawlins household. As
I explained to my wife after I was through threatening to liberate the
soob engine from its earthly shackles, the 2.2L soob just isn't capable
of producing the amount of power I will need. My Bearhawk is going to
spend most of its operating life on floats, and it will need all of the
power I can get to climb out of some of the lakes where I want to take
it. 200hp is the bare minimum I will accept. If the weight and prop
clearance issues were less daunting I would be installing an M-14P
russian radial (360hp).

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[Del Rawlins]

On 08 Jan 2004 07:55 PM, posted the following:

> Quoting BWB
>
> "Oh, yeah, Mr. Engineer weighs in with his pontification of bull ****
> as usual. Same ****, different year.
>
> Hyde, you are the definition of "Galactically Stupid."
>
> Actually, you and Moon Man Moonday are the epitomey of dorks and the
> universal term "Galactically Stupid Muther ****ers."
>
> How was Pinkneyville this year you dorks. Just another circle jerk of
> assholes, kissing each other asses and paying John to do it?"

Unbelieveable. He isn't even here yet you people continue to argue with
him. Because you insist on talking and complaining about him here
behind his back, it will eventually get back to him through his friends
with the predictable result that he will return to the newsgroup for a
whole 'nother round of flames. But that *is* what you want, isn't it?

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[Del Rawlins]

On 08 Jan 2004 08:35 PM, I'm Still Here posted the following:

> In fact there where a few times when I asked you a question about your
> Bearhawk and pointed out that as an Ex-Yukoner that I could appreciate
> your lifestyle in Alaska and you never gave me the courtesy of an
> answer.

I don't remember seeing the Bearhawk question, and in my experience
about all that most canadians and alaskans have in common with each
other is a shared climate.

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[Badwater Bill]

On 07 Jan 2004 18:26:56 GMT, (B25flyer) wrote:

>
>>Sadly, I do not speak for Sydney; or John, Walt, Richard, Sherri, Jordan or
>>any
>>of Badwater Bill's other targets
>
>I didnt know I was a target.
>
>Walt


You weren't Walt. You were always a buddy. **** these assholes.

BWB

[Badwater Bill]

On 6 Jan 2004 22:16:06 -0800, (Snowbird)
wrote:

>"Larry Smith" > wrote in message >...
>> Who cares?
>
>Great Merciful Martians!
>
>I find myself agreeing with Larry Smith! Twice in a
>week even (You're right, Lar, that "Campus Crusade for
>Cthulhu" sticker was particularly touching.)
>
>Lar, do you ever try sousing your pesky phillips fastners
>with your favorite penetrating oil the night before you set
>to work on 'em?
>
>Cheers,
>Sydney

There's Yellow Snow, chiming in with her aviation related bull **** as
it has been for a decade here.

Tell us, Snow ****, how to recover from a stall?

Too tough for you?

BWB

[Badwater Bill]

>>
>>Yeah I'm kinda of work-station challenged. Nice Webpage by the way.
>>I dig the pitot "heater" on your Cessna! Lol! So that's where
>>Pinckneyville is. It's making much more sense to me now. Looks like
>>a fun bunch. Thanks much for the links John,
>
>Odd that you didn't know about it before, since you lurked here since the mid
>90's and everything. And very odd that you didn't know about trying to shut it
>down, and get JRJ's internet service pulled and his hangar lease canceled
>because he hosted it. JRJ, if you don't "remember", is one of the people of
>great experience that Badwater ran off the newsgroup.
>
>But you knew that.


Oh yeah, he was a real winner. Claimed to be a professor at SIU. Just
happens that I called him on it about a dozen times and he shrunk back
into his closet with all the rest of the bull **** he printed here.

Don't take my word for it. Call the University and ask them. None of
you chicken**** *******s will do that however. You ****ing morons
don't want reality. You don't want the facts. You want to waller in
your own feces and make up your own reality. This is no place for a
real professional pilot, mechanic, or homebuilder. It's a sewer of
want-a-be morons who are galactically stupid.

Now you stupid sons a bitches think I'm some guy here named packmad.
Fine. I like the guy. I might be him. Just keep wondering.

There are a bunch of rotten *******s in this group. I was exposing
fetters a year ago here and aa@A asshole, butt lick did everything he
could to undermine the truth.

You *******s don't want to learn anything, you don't want to pay any
dues, you don't have any experience. You are a worthless asswipe
slime on the ass of progress.

BWB

[Badwater Bill]

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 23:56:53 GMT, (O-ring
Seals) wrote:

>On 7 Jan 2004 10:36:52 -0800, wrote:
>
>I guess that I will take the opportunity to top post here, as see no
>point in doing it the other way if I am following the thread.
>
>As one of the first (and very few) participants in the first fly-in at
>PJY, I would like to help set the record straight. As a close
>associate of Bill Phillips, I can assure you that he never wanted to
>keep JRJ from hosting the Pinckneville event. The Jean (NV) event,
>which Bill and I coordinated, was never intended to replace any other
>fly-in. It was intended as an event for those who could not make it
>all the way from the west coast to PJY. Highflyer did attend, and he
>flew out in a Cessna 175. He has lots of stories about that trip.
>
>JRJ is a fine person and his wife Mary is a Saint. Pinckneyville
>itself does have some shortcomings, and these were expressed on this
>group by Bill and myself. The fly-in is what you make of it. It
>(after four trips) just was not worth the 1200 mile trip.
>
>I wish that JRJ would participate more in this group. He and Mary
>paid me a personal visit at The Selma Aerodrome , and I would welcome
>both of them here again.
>
>Like me, I think that John stayed with the group as long as he felt
>that it was worth the effort. You should notice (and may welcome) the
>fact that I also now rarely post here.
>
>Robert G. (O-ring) Seals

Well put O'ring. We never did a thing to derail the PJY flyin. We
just got to the point where we felt that the expenditure of money to
go there was not worth the effort. The Jean fly in was something we
organized for the West Coast people to attend who didn't have the
skills or experience to attempt a long x-country flight to PJY in IMC
or marginal VFR conditions.

Many other things happened between JRJ and us that were unrelated.
Our personality conflicts had nothing to do with the hosting of any of
the RAH fly ins. This chicken **** muther ****er is spewing the
normal rah bull **** in an attempt to make himself look like a "great
sage of rah" who has read every post and who knows it all when what
he is is a chicken**** little ******* who has always been too cowardly
to post in his real name because he knows there are people here who
might hunt his ass down and teach him a lesson.

BWB

[pacplyer]

RU ok > wrote in message >...
> >> Hey BOb if you can read this, I could really use your advise here.
> >> I've agitated with the lunar jokes and stuck my nose in to this
> >> fued where it doesn't belong. What should I do to get out of this
> >> graveyard spiral? Any ideas?
>
> >> Any help is appreciated,
> >
> >There's a saying: "Even a Fish wouldn't get into
> >trouble if it kept its Mouth shut
> >
> >I think there's a corellary for typing
> >
> >Helpful Sydney
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Sydney, that would be .....
>
> 'corollary'.
>
>
>
> And for pac --
>
> it would be...
>
> 'advice'
>
>
>
> Helpful and advising BOb --

Yeah, I cut a lot of school to hang out at the airport, I can barely
spell my own name, but am not offended by corrections. I like your
dictionary inserts also since they tend to melt down arguments etc. I
know, I know, now I'm a BYB toadie too.

My first choice for hero was Burt Rutan... but the *******s smashed
down the statue I had of him on my front yard.... grrrrr

;-)

pac

[Badwater Bill]

>Anyone else in this group want to take a stab at their recollections of
>the events of that particular spring and summer....... Anyone...?????
>
>As usual everyone's favourite Bunion......
>Bernie

Bernie, you don't have a clue. You are not anywone's favorite
anything other than you are my favorite butt hole. You are the
utlimate coward. Hiding in your closet lest you get caught. You of
all people are the Coward's Coward. You have been too chicken**** to
post under a real name for your entire career on Usegroups. Why
should anyone heed anything you ever write?

BWB

[Badwater Bill]

On 9 Jan 2004 04:44:06 GMT, Del Rawlins
> wrote:

>Oh, and by the way. Bernie, you once claimed that the only reason you
>were around was to harass Phillips. He is gone, so WTF are you still
>doing here?

Because he's full of **** Del. If it weren't me, it would be O'ring
or Carl Johansson. He's a little unskilled non pilot who would never
be able to solo just like most of the rest of the worms who make big
posts here.

BWB

[Badwater Bill]

>But I can tell you John that I both admire and am envious at your
>abilities to fly to events like that and enjoy the camaraderie of those
>events.

Yeah, because you are incapable of coming out of your annonymous
shell, you cowardly *******.
>
>As a lurker I enjoy reading about the adventures of those that
>can and do attend fly-ins as well as those that both build and fly
>their own airplanes.....

Read on Bernie. Read on about those of us who really do it while you
set there and lurk into your computer screen and dream about what it's
like to be a real man.
>
>Those are the sort of postings that catch the attention of an armchair
>pilot like myself.

You mean an armchair masterbator like you Bernie. I doubt that you
know what an aileron is.

BWB


>
>Bernie

[Badwater Bill]

>
>Quoting BWB
>
>"Oh, yeah, Mr. Engineer weighs in with his pontification of bull ****
>as usual. Same ****, different year.
>
>Hyde, you are the definition of "Galactically Stupid."
>
>Actually, you and Moon Man Moonday are the epitomey of dorks and the
>universal term "Galactically Stupid Muther ****ers."
>
>How was Pinkneyville this year you dorks. Just another circle jerk of
>assholes, kissing each other asses and paying John to do it?"


You know, it's so rare that anyone quotes me correctly. I wrote the
above EXACTLY. I can't believe that someone got it right.

BWB

[Badwater Bill]

I just read this whole thread after not logging on for many months.
Just the same old bitching assholes crying and complaining about
nothing. Gee, what a wonderful experience and way to waste a half
hour.

Nobody ran me off from RAH. It was the content that ran me off. It
was the lack of meaning of anything here from all the weekend pilots
and the 90% that have really never flown at all who post here
regularly and tout their great accomplishments, argue with those who
are doers and discredit fellow aviators. That's what has ruined RAH.
Hell, I'd rather read JRJ's bull****, or listen to Bourbon bitch about
his carb heat than read the **** you people write here. At least
those people fly.

Most of you will never fly...will never get it...will never experience
it. You are either too cheap, too old, or too stupid.

BWB

[[email protected]]

In article >, Badwater Bill says...
>
>>Odd that you didn't know about it before, since you lurked here since the mid
>>90's and everything. And very odd that you didn't know about trying to shut it
>>down, and get JRJ's internet service pulled and his hangar lease canceled
>>because he hosted it. JRJ, if you don't "remember", is one of the people of
>>great experience that Badwater ran off the newsgroup.
>>
>>But you knew that.
>
>
>Oh yeah, he was a real winner. Claimed to be a professor at SIU. Just
>happens that I called him on it about a dozen times and he shrunk back
>into his closet with all the rest of the bull **** he printed here.

Of course, "JRJ is a fine person and his wife Mary is a Saint. Pinckneyville
itself does have some shortcomings, and these were expressed on this
group by Bill and myself."

You are a retromicturating piece of looser scum that is so pathetically at the
bottom of the food chain your only pleasure in life is complete telling
strangers you're better than they are. You're one shower away from the guy that
lives under the freeway bridge and cleans windshields with a rag soaked in his
own drool. While you still have some motor skills left make yourself a tinfoil
hat, you'll want it later.

The only things you've ever done for humanity is isolate yourself in Las Vegas,
(the City of Losers) and you haven't bred. For that we are thankful, at least
your scum filled part of the gene pool won't contaminate the rest. Other than
that you are a complete waste of food and oxygen, and there's a marilarial
bushman in Zambia that's more deserving of your share. Are you sure you're not
French? You remind me of the French, lounging in their self-importance, telling
all the world how important they are while everyone nods politely ignores them
and goes about their business.

Actually you do perform a valuable service, even though you don't mean to. The
fact that you live at all proves there is a God, and he has a very dark sense of
humor. Otherwise you would not be forced to continue such a miserable
existence, and be inflicted on the rest of us.

Now go away, PackBilly, we get the good cop/bad cop routine. Come up with a
cleaner sock puppet next time.

[Del Rawlins]

Right on cue. Congratulations, guys.

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[RU ok]

>>As one of the first (and very few) participants in the first fly-in at
>>PJY, I would like to help set the record straight. As a close
>>associate of Bill Phillips, I can assure you that he never wanted to
>>keep JRJ from hosting the Pinckneville event. The Jean (NV) event,
>>which Bill and I coordinated, was never intended to replace any other
>>fly-in. It was intended as an event for those who could not make it
>>all the way from the west coast to PJY. Highflyer did attend, and he
>>flew out in a Cessna 175. He has lots of stories about that trip.

>>Robert G. (O-ring) Seals

>
>Quoting BWB
>
>How was Pinkneyville this year you dorks. Just another circle jerk of
>assholes, kissing each other asses and paying John to do it?"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Ah yes....
Nothing quite like a refreshing stroll down memory lane.



Barnyard BOb --

[RobertR237]

In article >,
(Badwater Bill) writes:

>
>You *******s don't want to learn anything, you don't want to pay any
>dues, you don't have any experience. You are a worthless asswipe
>slime on the ass of progress.
>
>BWB
>
>

When you use too wide a brush, you usually get a lot of paint on yourself too.


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KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

[RobertR237]

In article >, John Ammeter
> writes:

>Since you've never been there ( I assume...) let me tell you
>what's it's like. The airport is located about 5 miles from
>the town. Pinckneyville is like most of rural America in
>the flat parts of the Nation... lots of land, most stores
>(and people, too) are pretty ancient but well preserved.
>
>The airport is typical small America... A few hangars of
>various descriptions. John Johnson's hangar is quite large
>but well filled with aircraft parts. I'm sure, given the
>time, one could build several aircraft from just the visible
>items.
>
>Food is provided by communal efforts. A couple of BBQ
>grills are set up for lunch and dinner. Items cooked are
>personal specialties of attendee's.
>
>In other words, the "fly-in" is just a bunch of friends
>meeting at a small airport in the middle of nowhere.
>
>I can't see "rave revues" being an accurate description of
>the event. Granted, we had a good time but no more than we
>would have had at a beach picnic on the Fourth of July...
>
>The airport and accommadations are lacking to a degree...
>For what it offers, Pinckneyville does a great job but not
>worth the time and money it takes for me to go there. I
>enjoyed meeting and visiting the people I met there. If not
>for Pinckneyville, I wouldn't have had the opportunity to
>meet Tony. For that, Pinckneyville was worth all the effort
>nad money it took to get there.
>
>John Ammeter
>
>

For those of us who are sick and tired of the city and its hordes of ignorant
rude people, Pinckneyville sounds like a little bit of heaven. I just wish I
could make the trip sometime.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

[B2431]

>From: RU ok
>Date: 1/9/2004 7:20 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>>>As one of the first (and very few) participants in the first fly-in at
>>>PJY, I would like to help set the record straight. As a close
>>>associate of Bill Phillips, I can assure you that he never wanted to
>>>keep JRJ from hosting the Pinckneville event. The Jean (NV) event,
>>>which Bill and I coordinated, was never intended to replace any other
>>>fly-in. It was intended as an event for those who could not make it
>>>all the way from the west coast to PJY. Highflyer did attend, and he
>>>flew out in a Cessna 175. He has lots of stories about that trip.
>
>>>Robert G. (O-ring) Seals
>
>>
>>Quoting BWB
>>
>>How was Pinkneyville this year you dorks. Just another circle jerk of
>>assholes, kissing each other asses and paying John to do it?"
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>Ah yes....
>Nothing quite like a refreshing stroll down memory lane.
>
>
>
>Barnyard BOb --
>
I once strolled down mammary lane. My wife got royally torqued and made her
leave.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Badwater Bill]

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 07:49:47 GMT, Richard Riley
> wrote:

>On 7 Jan 2004 11:58:39 -0800, ChuckSlusarczyk
> wrote:
>
>:
>:If there is I want to go this year .I was looking at some of the photos of the
>:past years and it brought back fond memories of the first time the RAH-15 met.
>:I'm still proud to know 14 of them and only disappointed in 1.
>
>Proud to know 10. Scratch my head about 2. Disappointed in one.
>Miss one deeply.
>
>Still not sure if I know myself. ;)

You never will get it Richard

BWB

[John Ammeter]

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 06:52:21 GMT,
(Badwater Bill) wrote:

>
>>>
>>>Yeah I'm kinda of work-station challenged. Nice Webpage by the way.
>>>I dig the pitot "heater" on your Cessna! Lol! So that's where
>>>Pinckneyville is. It's making much more sense to me now. Looks like
>>>a fun bunch. Thanks much for the links John,
>>
>>Odd that you didn't know about it before, since you lurked here since the mid
>>90's and everything. And very odd that you didn't know about trying to shut it
>>down, and get JRJ's internet service pulled and his hangar lease canceled
>>because he hosted it. JRJ, if you don't "remember", is one of the people of
>>great experience that Badwater ran off the newsgroup.
>>
>>But you knew that.
>
>
>Oh yeah, he was a real winner. Claimed to be a professor at SIU. Just
>happens that I called him on it about a dozen times and he shrunk back
>into his closet with all the rest of the bull **** he printed here.
>
>Don't take my word for it. Call the University and ask them. None of
>you chicken**** *******s will do that however. You ****ing morons
>don't want reality. You don't want the facts. You want to waller in
>your own feces and make up your own reality. This is no place for a
>real professional pilot, mechanic, or homebuilder. It's a sewer of
>want-a-be morons who are galactically stupid.
>
>Now you stupid sons a bitches think I'm some guy here named packmad.
>Fine. I like the guy. I might be him. Just keep wondering.
>
>There are a bunch of rotten *******s in this group. I was exposing
>fetters a year ago here and aa@A asshole, butt lick did everything he
>could to undermine the truth.
>
>You *******s don't want to learn anything, you don't want to pay any
>dues, you don't have any experience. You are a worthless asswipe
>slime on the ass of progress.
>
>BWB
>

Ah, come on, Billy.... tell us what you REALLY think...

jon

[pacplyer]

(Badwater Bill) wrote in message >...
> I just read this whole thread after not logging on for many months.
> Just the same old bitching assholes crying and complaining about
> nothing. Gee, what a wonderful experience and way to waste a half
> hour.
>
> Nobody ran me off from RAH. It was the content that ran me off. It
> was the lack of meaning of anything here from all the weekend pilots
> and the 90% that have really never flown at all who post here
> regularly and tout their great accomplishments, argue with those who
> are doers and discredit fellow aviators. That's what has ruined RAH.
> Hell, I'd rather read JRJ's bull****, or listen to Bourbon bitch about
> his carb heat than read the **** you people write here. At least
> those people fly.
>
> Most of you will never fly...will never get it...will never experience
> it. You are either too cheap, too old, or too stupid.
>
> BWB

Hey bill,

I've tried to send you email a couple times to the skypilot email
address. Maybe you were too busy to spot it. Shoot me an email to:
and I'll prove to you I'm not all that mad. Just
a cranky asshole like you. ;-)

Best Regards,

pacplyer

pacplyer

[pacplyer]

Pac sez:

Ya still don't get it, do ya "a." A sock puppet is a different thing
as I understand it than a an admirer. I've sent Del the proof that
everything I said is true. If you want the proof tell me were/how to
upload it. Anybody else wants it give me a valid email and I'll send
it. This was the convention that I saw Chuck S. use to prove that he
owned a truck. I don't have a website and don't know how to post
pictures, hpphoto.com won't send links to NG's.... At least I can't
figure why it won't.... Lastly if you really think someone would waste
their time with such an elaborate ruse, then you just don't understand
human nature. IMO

I have to agree that nobody in this NG seems to want to find out the
truth, otherwise someone would have helped out the newbie here by now.

give me an email I'll send it to you.

pacplyer


wrote in message >...
> In article >, Badwater Bill says...
> >
> >>Odd that you didn't know about it before, since you lurked here since the mid
> >>90's and everything. And very odd that you didn't know about trying to shut it
> >>down, and get JRJ's internet service pulled and his hangar lease canceled
> >>because he hosted it. JRJ, if you don't "remember", is one of the people of
> >>great experience that Badwater ran off the newsgroup.
> >>
> >>But you knew that.
> >
> >
> >Oh yeah, he was a real winner. Claimed to be a professor at SIU. Just
> >happens that I called him on it about a dozen times and he shrunk back
> >into his closet with all the rest of the bull **** he printed here.
>
> Of course, "JRJ is a fine person and his wife Mary is a Saint. Pinckneyville
> itself does have some shortcomings, and these were expressed on this
> group by Bill and myself."
>
> You are a retromicturating piece of looser scum that is so pathetically at the
> bottom of the food chain your only pleasure in life is complete telling
> strangers you're better than they are. You're one shower away from the guy that
> lives under the freeway bridge and cleans windshields with a rag soaked in his
> own drool. While you still have some motor skills left make yourself a tinfoil
> hat, you'll want it later.
>
> The only things you've ever done for humanity is isolate yourself in Las Vegas,
> (the City of Losers) and you haven't bred. For that we are thankful, at least
> your scum filled part of the gene pool won't contaminate the rest. Other than
> that you are a complete waste of food and oxygen, and there's a marilarial
> bushman in Zambia that's more deserving of your share. Are you sure you're not
> French? You remind me of the French, lounging in their self-importance, telling
> all the world how important they are while everyone nods politely ignores them
> and goes about their business.
>
> Actually you do perform a valuable service, even though you don't mean to. The
> fact that you live at all proves there is a God, and he has a very dark sense of
> humor. Otherwise you would not be forced to continue such a miserable
> existence, and be inflicted on the rest of us.
>
> Now go away, PackBilly, we get the good cop/bad cop routine. Come up with a
> cleaner sock puppet next time.

[Del Rawlins]

On 09 Jan 2004 11:58 AM, pacplyer posted the following:
> Pac sez:
>
> Ya still don't get it, do ya "a." A sock puppet is a different thing
> as I understand it than a an admirer. I've sent Del the proof that
> everything I said is true.

Pac emailed me a link to a bunch of pictures that were not of Bill.
Included were shots of a pilot certificate and desert storm certificate
with the owner's name obscured. One of them was a picture of 747
loading operations and the background appeared to be a typical
southcentral Alaskan landscape, but there wasn't enough detail to
identify the airport.

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[pacplyer]

(Badwater Bill) wrote in message >...
> > >

Hey Bill it looks like "a" is spamming my email or something. Sent
you my phone number before it happened though I think.

Give me a call buddy,

pacmad

[pacplyer]

(RobertR237) wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> (Badwater Bill) writes:
>
> >
> >You *******s don't want to learn anything, you don't want to pay any
> >dues, you don't have any experience. You are a worthless asswipe
> >slime on the ass of progress.
> >
> >BWB
> >
> >
>
> When you use too wide a brush, you usually get a lot of paint on yourself too.
>
>
> Bob Reed

ROTFOL! Good one Bob! Man I've just got the worst Deja Vue about all
this. I swear this thread is just like the one a year ago. Maybe it
is just like the movie "Groundhog Day." That means this time, there's
a chance to do something different. ... or else, conversely, it means
I've got old-timers disease early, and I'm starting to tell the same
stories over and over again to everybody... <gulp!>

pacmad

[pacplyer]

"Morgans" > wrote in message >...
> "Del Rawlins" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 09 Jan 2004 11:58 AM, pacplyer posted the following:
> > > Pac sez:
> > >
> > > Ya still don't get it, do ya "a." A sock puppet is a different thing
> > > as I understand it than a an admirer. I've sent Del the proof that
> > > everything I said is true.
> > > Pac emailed me a link to a bunch of pictures that were not of Bill.
> > Included were shots of a pilot certificate and desert storm certificate
> > with the owner's name obscured. One of them was a picture of 747
> > loading operations and the background appeared to be a typical
> > southcentral Alaskan landscape, but there wasn't enough detail to
> > identify the airport.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Del Rawlins-
> &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
>
> They could belong to anyone, couldn't they Del?
>
> My daughter's roommate's Dad, flies Airbus products. If I take a picture of
> an Airbus type certificate, with the name blanked out, does that make me an
> Airbus pilot? As far as that goes, if the name on the certificate is Joe
> Blow, and I post under that name, am I Joe Blow?
>
> I'm not convinced.

Ah, I misspoke. That's not proof. Morgans are 100% right. Chuck's
Truck had his name on it , now that I recall.

My Bad (water)

pacmad

(am I pacplyer? I'm not even sure who *I* am anymore!)

:-)

[Morgans]

"Del Rawlins" > wrote in message
...
> On 09 Jan 2004 11:58 AM, pacplyer posted the following:
> > Pac sez:
> >
> > Ya still don't get it, do ya "a." A sock puppet is a different thing
> > as I understand it than a an admirer. I've sent Del the proof that
> > everything I said is true.
> > Pac emailed me a link to a bunch of pictures that were not of Bill.
> Included were shots of a pilot certificate and desert storm certificate
> with the owner's name obscured. One of them was a picture of 747
> loading operations and the background appeared to be a typical
> southcentral Alaskan landscape, but there wasn't enough detail to
> identify the airport.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins-
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

They could belong to anyone, couldn't they Del?

My daughter's roommate's Dad, flies Airbus products. If I take a picture of
an Airbus type certificate, with the name blanked out, does that make me an
Airbus pilot? As far as that goes, if the name on the certificate is Joe
Blow, and I post under that name, am I Joe Blow?

I'm not convinced.
--
Jim in NC

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

This thread has me confused and I guess other people are as well.Therefore
here's a brief synopsis of the last 200 posts

} Who are you ?
pac ) who are you??
RUok ) yeah who are you's?
)your BWB !!
pac ) no I'm not !!!
) yes you are
RUok )you might be but I doubt it!!
pac )I might be so what
)no your not !!
pac ) yes I am!!
RUok
ChuckS
Del
John
Sydney
Morgans
Richard ) NO YER NOT!!!
pac )I might be
BWB )your all a bunch of Galactically studid muthur F******!!!

) prove your not BWB
pac )I sent proof
)no you didn't
pac )yes I did
Del ) I know who I am
pac ) No you don't
Del ) yes I do
Richard R ) I'm Del
Del ) no your not !!
Richard R ) I might be

Del ) no your not
Richard ) I'm confused
Del )so am I
Chuck S ) so am I
RUok )so am I
Pac ) I sent proof,pictures just like Chuck did
)no you didn't
pac ) yes I did
)no you didn't
pac ) did too!!
Del ) I saw the pictures
pac ) see I told ya I provided proof "positive"
Del )it was a picture of the moon landing with your face pasted on the
astronauts head

pac )that was an actual photo along with my homebuilt.
Del )That's no home built!!it's a commercial jet with the name of the
airline scratched off and your name printed on the side.

Pac )thats proof!!
BWB )bunch of Dorks!!
Morgans )no we're not!!
BWB )yes you are
)no we're, not you know who you are.
pac )_ no I don't
) yes you do

BWB )circle jerk of assholes!!!!
pac ) no we're not
BWB )yes you are!!
)are we??
Stricker ) some are !!
) oh yeah ? who?!
BWB )everybody!!!

O Ring )BWB is never wrong
Pac ) yes he is
) who's BWB is it Pac?
RUok ) no he's not!!
Pac ) no I'm not
)yes he is
Del ) prove it
pac ) I did
Del )no you didn't
pac )yes I did
RUok ) no he didn't
pac ) yes I did

Chuck S
Morgans
Del
Sydney
John
Richard ) no you didn't!!
Stricker ) you talking 'bout me??

pac )no I didn't
Stricker )yes you did

BWB )I don't give a F***

and that's about it so far as I can tell......



Chuck (got no horse in this race ) S RAH-15/1 ret

[Richard Riley]

On 10 Jan 2004 07:20:03 -0800, ChuckSlusarczyk
> wrote:

:This thread has me confused and I guess other people are as well.Therefore
:here's a brief synopsis of the last 200 posts
:
} Who are you ?
:pac ) who are you??
:RUok ) yeah who are you's?
)your BWB !!
:pac ) no I'm not !!!
) yes you are
:RUok )you might be but I doubt it!!
:pac )I might be so what
)no your not !!
:pac ) yes I am!!
:RUok
:ChuckS
:Del
:John
:Sydney
:Morgans
:Richard ) NO YER NOT!!!
:pac )I might be
:BWB )your all a bunch of Galactically studid muthur F******!!!
:
) prove your not BWB
:pac )I sent proof
)no you didn't
:pac )yes I did
:Del ) I know who I am
:pac ) No you don't
:Del ) yes I do
:Richard R ) I'm Del
:Del ) no your not !!
:Richard R ) I might be
:
:Del ) no your not
:Richard ) I'm confused
:Del )so am I
:Chuck S ) so am I
:RUok )so am I
:Pac ) I sent proof,pictures just like Chuck did
)no you didn't
:pac ) yes I did
)no you didn't
:pac ) did too!!
:Del ) I saw the pictures
:pac ) see I told ya I provided proof "positive"
:Del )it was a picture of the moon landing with your face pasted on the
:astronauts head
:
:pac )that was an actual photo along with my homebuilt.
:Del )That's no home built!!it's a commercial jet with the name of the
: airline scratched off and your name printed on the side.
:
:Pac )thats proof!!
:BWB )bunch of Dorks!!
:Morgans )no we're not!!
:BWB )yes you are
)no we're, not you know who you are.
:pac )_ no I don't
) yes you do
:
:BWB )circle jerk of assholes!!!!
:pac ) no we're not
:BWB )yes you are!!
)are we??
:Stricker ) some are !!
) oh yeah ? who?!
:BWB )everybody!!!
:
:O Ring )BWB is never wrong
:Pac ) yes he is
) who's BWB is it Pac?
:RUok ) no he's not!!
:Pac ) no I'm not
)yes he is
:Del ) prove it
:pac ) I did
:Del )no you didn't
:pac )yes I did
:RUok ) no he didn't
:pac ) yes I did
:
:Chuck S
:Morgans
:Del
:Sydney
:John
:Richard ) no you didn't!!
:Stricker ) you talking 'bout me??
:
:pac )no I didn't
:Stricker )yes you did
:
:BWB )I don't give a F***
:
:and that's about it so far as I can tell......

You forgot

Del) I'm building a Bearhawk
Pac) nice

but other than that it's accurate.

[Jerry Springer]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> This thread has me confused and I guess other people are as well.Therefore
> here's a brief synopsis of the last 200 posts
>
> } Who are you ?
>
***SNIP***

You must have had a long sleepless night Chuck. :-)
Anyway good work and you are accurate. This rates right
up there with the BASS and WHITE TORNADO threads.
I find myself coming back to RAH less and less, I know "don't
let the door hit me in the rearend" as I leave. :-)

Jerry

[pacplyer]

Chuck nailed it!. I'm going to read his condensed version from now
on! (saves time.)


Hangover from the RAH bar

Good. Out-****ing standing. We O.D.'ed on high-octane muzzle-loader
and shouted it out at the bar. Got that stuff out of our systems.

The RVR was gettin low in there for a while. The walls were coming up
and hitting me. I was so ****-faced at the beginning of this thread,
that I wasn't even sure who I was talking to half the night. Boy I
was tellin some tall tales.

Now it's time to pour ourselves out to airport, slap on that old
oxygen mask, and try to burn some of those negative vibes out of the
bloodstream.

I'm proud of you guys.

"Positive rate,"
"Cheer Up" (I mean "Gear Up")

pac

I'll fly with you guys any time!







ChuckSlusarczyk > wrote in message >...
> This thread has me confused and I guess other people are as well.Therefore
> here's a brief synopsis of the last 200 posts
>
> } Who are you ?
> pac ) who are you??
> RUok ) yeah who are you's?
> )your BWB !!
> pac ) no I'm not !!!
> ) yes you are
> RUok )you might be but I doubt it!!
> pac )I might be so what
> )no your not !!
> pac ) yes I am!!
> RUok
> ChuckS
> Del
> John
> Sydney
> Morgans
> Richard ) NO YER NOT!!!
> pac )I might be
> BWB )your all a bunch of Galactically studid muthur F******!!!
>
> ) prove your not BWB
> pac )I sent proof
> )no you didn't
> pac )yes I did
> Del ) I know who I am
> pac ) No you don't
> Del ) yes I do
> Richard R ) I'm Del
> Del ) no your not !!
> Richard R ) I might be
>
> Del ) no your not
> Richard ) I'm confused
> Del )so am I
> Chuck S ) so am I
> RUok )so am I
> Pac ) I sent proof,pictures just like Chuck did
> )no you didn't
> pac ) yes I did
> )no you didn't
> pac ) did too!!
> Del ) I saw the pictures
> pac ) see I told ya I provided proof "positive"
> Del )it was a picture of the moon landing with your face pasted on the
> astronauts head
>
> pac )that was an actual photo along with my homebuilt.
> Del )That's no home built!!it's a commercial jet with the name of the
> airline scratched off and your name printed on the side.
>
> Pac )thats proof!!
> BWB )bunch of Dorks!!
> Morgans )no we're not!!
> BWB )yes you are
> )no we're, not you know who you are.
> pac )_ no I don't
> ) yes you do
>
> BWB )circle jerk of assholes!!!!
> pac ) no we're not
> BWB )yes you are!!
> )are we??
> Stricker ) some are !!
> ) oh yeah ? who?!
> BWB )everybody!!!
>
> O Ring )BWB is never wrong
> Pac ) yes he is
> ) who's BWB is it Pac?
> RUok ) no he's not!!
> Pac ) no I'm not
> )yes he is
> Del ) prove it
> pac ) I did
> Del )no you didn't
> pac )yes I did
> RUok ) no he didn't
> pac ) yes I did
>
> Chuck S
> Morgans
> Del
> Sydney
> John
> Richard ) no you didn't!!
> Stricker ) you talking 'bout me??
>
> pac )no I didn't
> Stricker )yes you did
>
> BWB )I don't give a F***
>
> and that's about it so far as I can tell......
>
>
>
> Chuck (got no horse in this race ) S RAH-15/1 ret

[Del Rawlins]

On 10 Jan 2004 06:20 AM, ChuckSlusarczyk posted the following:
> This thread has me confused and I guess other people are as well.
> Therefore here's a brief synopsis of the last 200 posts

ROFL.

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[John Stricker]

I didn't say that, were you talking to me??

John Stricker

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> Stricker ) you talking 'bout me??
>
> pac )no I didn't
> Stricker )yes you did
>
> BWB )I don't give a F***
>
> and that's about it so far as I can tell......
>
>
>
> Chuck (got no horse in this race ) S RAH-15/1 ret
>

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, John Stricker says...
>
>I didn't say that, were you talking to me??
>
>John Stricker

Who me??? LOL!!

See ya

Chuck S...I think

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article t>, Jerry Springer
says...

>You must have had a long sleepless night Chuck. :-)

I had a Cold and couldn't sleep and worse yet couldn't comprehend the whole
thread.

>Anyway good work and you are accurate. This rates right
>up there with the BASS and WHITE TORNADO threads.
>I find myself coming back to RAH less and less, I know "don't
>let the door hit me in the rearend" as I leave. :-)

It would be simplier for guys like me if people would just use their own names
and speak plainly. I'm not good at mysteries and if I want a mystery I can get
Agatha Christie :-) It's fun when there's a point tho'.

see ya

Chuck (I think I know who I am ) S

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Richard Riley says...
>
>On 10 Jan 2004 07:20:03 -0800, ChuckSlusarczyk
> wrote:
>
>:This thread has me confused and I guess other people are as well.Therefore
>:here's a brief synopsis of the last 200 posts
>:
} Who are you ?
>:pac ) who are you??

SNIP

>:and that's about it so far as I can tell......
>
>You forgot
>
>Del) I'm building a Bearhawk
>Pac) nice
>
>but other than that it's accurate.

OOPPs your right ,sorry Del.
Del )no your not!!
Chuck ) Yes I am !!
Del ) Are not!!
Chuck ) AM TOO!!!
Del ) Prove it!!
Chuck )I did!! etcetra etc., etc,.

The last comments between Del and me were condensed in the interest of brevity
and to save time... :-)

Chuck(I am not BWB,never was ,don't want to be) S

[Mark Hickey]

ChuckSlusarczyk > wrote:

>It would be simplier for guys like me if people would just use their own names
>and speak plainly.

Chuck, with a last name like yours, I'm not sure you can do both...

Mark (not that I usually make fun of anyone's last name, mind you...)
Hickey

[John Ousterhout]

On 10 Jan 2004 07:20:03 -0800, ChuckSlusarczyk
> wrote:

>This thread has me confused and I guess other people are as well.Therefore
>here's a brief synopsis of the last 200 posts
>
} Who are you ?
>pac ) who are you??
>RUok ) yeah who are you's?
[SNIP]
>BWB )I don't give a F***
>
>and that's about it so far as I can tell......

"Who's on first?"

- J.O.-