Does the FAA have written policy WRT landouts?

[Larry Suter]

A student landed out just short of our airport in our club's 1-26 last
Saturday. No damage, no injuries, glider readily returned to it's
tiedown.

Apparently, the airport manager told his bosses about it and they
chewed him out for not immediately reporting the landout to NTSB.

The story goes on longer but I'll spare the details and cut-to-the-
chase. Does the FAA have any written policy/advisory circulars on
landouts that don't involve damage or injury and whether or not
they're reportable to NTSB? (Presumably, they're not reportable). All
this must have been played out many times before at public airports
where there is gliding.

I'm really after written documentation of FAA policy, not opinion or
haranguing. Some of our club members appear to have tried the latter
with the net result of creating hard feelings.

Thanks,
Larry

[Tony[_5_]]

On Dec 21, 10:29*pm, Larry Suter > wrote:
> A student landed out just short of our airport in our club's 1-26 last
> Saturday. No damage, no injuries, glider readily returned to it's
> tiedown.
>
> Apparently, the airport manager told his bosses about it and they
> chewed him out for not immediately reporting the landout to NTSB.
>
> The story goes on longer but I'll spare the details and cut-to-the-
> chase. Does the FAA have any written policy/advisory circulars on
> landouts that don't involve damage or injury and whether or not
> they're reportable to NTSB? (Presumably, they're not reportable). All
> this must have been played out many times before at public airports
> where there is gliding.
>
> I'm really after written documentation of FAA policy, not opinion or
> haranguing. Some of our club members appear to have tried the latter
> with the net result of creating hard feelings.
>
> Thanks,
> Larry

as long as the landing doesn't meet the definition of a reportable
incident or accident in NTSB Part 830 there is no reason to notify
anyone. There are no FAA rules prohibiting off airport operations.

[T[_2_]]

On Dec 21, 8:29*pm, Larry Suter > wrote:
> A student landed out just short of our airport in our club's 1-26 last
> Saturday. No damage, no injuries, glider readily returned to it's
> tiedown.
>
> Apparently, the airport manager told his bosses about it and they
> chewed him out for not immediately reporting the landout to NTSB.
>
> The story goes on longer but I'll spare the details and cut-to-the-
> chase. Does the FAA have any written policy/advisory circulars on
> landouts that don't involve damage or injury and whether or not
> they're reportable to NTSB? (Presumably, they're not reportable). All
> this must have been played out many times before at public airports
> where there is gliding.
>
> I'm really after written documentation of FAA policy, not opinion or
> haranguing. Some of our club members appear to have tried the latter
> with the net result of creating hard feelings.
>
> Thanks,
> Larry

Our local airport management believes that all on or off airport
flying incidents need to be reported to NTSB and FSDO.
We explain the NTSB 830 regulations and criteria for reporting. But we
still get the "call NTSB and tell us what they say".

We appease them, we call, self report, and then inform the management
that it was accomplished. Sometimes an off airport landing may be
called in by an innocent person unknowingly reporting an aircraft
accident. Then the first responders are involved and they have already
called FAA for you.

I know of no FAA Circulars involving off airport landings by gliders.
Some states and municipalities have issues with using there roads for
a landing zone.

T

[Tony[_5_]]

On Dec 21, 11:10*pm, T > wrote:
> On Dec 21, 8:29*pm, Larry Suter > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > A student landed out just short of our airport in our club's 1-26 last
> > Saturday. No damage, no injuries, glider readily returned to it's
> > tiedown.
>
> > Apparently, the airport manager told his bosses about it and they
> > chewed him out for not immediately reporting the landout to NTSB.
>
> > The story goes on longer but I'll spare the details and cut-to-the-
> > chase. Does the FAA have any written policy/advisory circulars on
> > landouts that don't involve damage or injury and whether or not
> > they're reportable to NTSB? (Presumably, they're not reportable). All
> > this must have been played out many times before at public airports
> > where there is gliding.
>
> > I'm really after written documentation of FAA policy, not opinion or
> > haranguing. Some of our club members appear to have tried the latter
> > with the net result of creating hard feelings.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Larry
>
> Our local airport management believes that all on or off airport
> flying incidents need to be reported to NTSB and FSDO.
> We explain the NTSB 830 regulations and criteria for reporting. But we
> still get the "call NTSB and tell us what they say".
>
> We appease them, we call, self report, and then inform the management
> that it was accomplished. Sometimes an off airport landing may be
> called in by an innocent person unknowingly reporting an aircraft
> accident. Then the first responders are involved and they have already
> called FAA for you.
>
> I know of no FAA Circulars involving off airport landings by gliders.
> Some states and municipalities have issues with using there roads for
> a landing zone.
>
> T

my experience in 25 or 30 landouts with maybe 5 of them involving
local law enforcement is that they have not called the FAA before they
talk to me. Even the one who was responding to the 911 call of a
plane crashing south of town came out to investigate the plane crash
first. Thankfully I got him to call off the volunteer firefighter and
ambulance squad before they showed up. YMMV.

[JJ Sinclair[_2_]]

On Dec 21, 8:29*pm, Larry Suter > wrote:
> A student landed out just short of our airport in our club's 1-26 last
> Saturday. No damage, no injuries, glider readily returned to it's
> tiedown.
>
> Apparently, the airport manager told his bosses about it and they
> chewed him out for not immediately reporting the landout to NTSB.
>
> The story goes on longer but I'll spare the details and cut-to-the-
> chase. Does the FAA have any written policy/advisory circulars on
> landouts that don't involve damage or injury and whether or not
> they're reportable to NTSB? (Presumably, they're not reportable). All
> this must have been played out many times before at public airports
> where there is gliding.
>
> I'm really after written documentation of FAA policy, not opinion or
> haranguing. Some of our club members appear to have tried the latter
> with the net result of creating hard feelings.
>
> Thanks,
> Larry

I made a perfect landing in cut alfalfa alongside I-40. Five minutes
later I heard the sirens. Seems a gal had seen me while driving the
interstate and called 911 to report an awful aircraft accident! Half
the fuselage was missing and the wings were kind'a pointing forward!
At Susanville, I had a local mechanic run a block after spotting this
strange mass of parts near the end of the runway. Its tough flying a
Genesis!
JJ

[John Cochrane[_2_]]

>
> my experience in 25 or 30 landouts with maybe 5 of them involving
> local law enforcement is that they have not called the FAA before they
> talk to me. *Even the one who was responding to the 911 call of a
> plane crashing south of town came out to investigate the plane crash
> first. *Thankfully I got him to call off the volunteer firefighter and
> ambulance squad before they showed up. YMMV.

It may be a good idea to call 911 immediately after landing out and
tell them that there is NO accident, no matter what their other phone
calls say.

John Cochrane

[JohnDeRosa]

Here is the link to NTSB Part 830....

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=2150208c5457c9e6a6196e4fa9c1bfe1&rgn=div5&view=text&node=49:7.1.4.1.12&idno=49

The key part seems to be shown in "830.2 Definitions". To me this
doesn't really apply to an uneventful landout...except that (like most
FAA/NTSB documentation) it is open to interpretation.

"Aircraft accident means an occurrence associated with the operation
of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards
the aircraft with the intention of flight and all such persons have
disembarked, and in which any person suffers death or serious injury,
or in which the aircraft receives substantial damage."

"Incident means an occurrence other than an accident, associated with
the operation of an aircraft, which affects or could affect the safety
of operations."

[Tony[_5_]]

On Dec 22, 8:50*am, JohnDeRosa > wrote:
> Here is the link to NTSB Part 830....
>
> http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=2150208c5457....
>
> The key part seems to be shown in "830.2 Definitions". *To me this
> doesn't really apply to an uneventful landout...except that (like most
> FAA/NTSB documentation) it is open to interpretation.
>
> "Aircraft accident means an occurrence associated with the operation
> of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards
> the aircraft with the intention of flight and all such persons have
> disembarked, and in which any person suffers death or serious injury,
> or in which the aircraft receives substantial damage."
>
> "Incident means an occurrence other than an accident, associated with
> the operation of an aircraft, which affects or could affect the safety
> of operations."

Another Key definition is:

Substantial damage means damage or failure which adversely affects the
structural strength, performance, or flight characteristics of the
aircraft, and which would normally require major repair or replacement
of the affected component. Engine failure or damage limited to an
engine if only one engine fails or is damaged, bent fairings or
cowling, dented skin, small punctured holes in the skin or fabric,
ground damage to rotor or propeller blades, and damage to landing
gear, wheels, tires, flaps, engine accessories, brakes, or wingtips
are not considered “substantial damage” for the purpose of this part.

[GM]

On Dec 22, 9:17*am, John Cochrane >
wrote:
> > my experience in 25 or 30 landouts with maybe 5 of them involving
> > local law enforcement is that they have not called the FAA before they
> > talk to me. *Even the one who was responding to the 911 call of a
> > plane crashing south of town came out to investigate the plane crash
> > first. *Thankfully I got him to call off the volunteer firefighter and
> > ambulance squad before they showed up. YMMV.
>
> It may be a good idea to call 911 immediately after landing out and
> tell them that there is NO accident, no matter what their other phone
> calls say.
>
> John Cochrane

That will be a sure recipe for having the cops show up. As paranoid as
the law enforcement guys are, that will raise their suspicion and at
least two cruisers will show up. Its like calling in and telling the
operator that no matter what the other callers may say, there is no
bank robbery in progress.
I had the local cops show up one time but after explaining to them
that this is not an emergency but the 'plan B' in the operation of a
glider, they just took some general info and left. They are also your
best bet in finding out who the owner of the field is, if nobody else
can tell you.
But at any rate, I have never heard of a set NTSB or FAA procedure
reporting off-field landings with gliders.

A nearby glider club in Germany had a student pilot land in an old
cemetary knocking over several grave markers and damaging the glider
in the process. Some old lady from across the street called in a plane
crash and mentioned how sorry she was 'for all those dead people'.
Just about every vehicle the city had showed up to rescue the rest.

U. Neumann

[T8]

On Dec 22, 9:17*am, John Cochrane >
wrote:
>
> It may be a good idea to call 911 immediately after landing out and
> tell them that there is NO accident, no matter what their other phone
> calls say.
>
> John Cochrane

I had a friendly conversation with the 911 dispatch folks in NH (on
the 800 number I found on the website, not "'911"!) about this issue
after we received all sorts of unwanted "help" with a routine club
1-23 retrieve... including a medivac helicopter, fire trucks, police
cruisers, etc. etc. They did say we could feel free to call 911 as
you suggest. I don't know anyone who has actually done this. It's
hard to believe you could call 911 and *not* get a visit from someone
wearing a badge and a gun, but if it seems inevitable, it's probably
worth a try. The waste of expensive resources on a perfect, safe, no
damage to anything landout was something to behold.



-Evan Ludeman / T8

[Ian Cant[_4_]]

At 04:29 22 December 2011, Larry Suter wrote:
Does the FAA have any written policy/advisory circulars on
>landouts that don't involve damage or injury and whether or not
>they're reportable to NTSB?

I believe that many years ago a 1-26 Association member managed to get a
position-statement letter from the FAA saying this is NOT an accident. It
might have been Harry Baldwin ? Copies may still be around - any leads ?

Ian

[Cliff Hilty[_4_]]

At 15:18 22 December 2011, T8 wrote:
>On Dec 22, 9:17=A0am, John Cochrane
>wrote:
>>
>> It may be a good idea to call 911 immediately after landing out and
>> tell them that there is NO accident, no matter what their other phone
>> calls say.
>>
>> John Cochrane
>
>I had a friendly conversation with the 911 dispatch folks in NH (on
>the 800 number I found on the website, not "'911"!) about this issue
>after we received all sorts of unwanted "help" with a routine club
>1-23 retrieve... including a medivac helicopter, fire trucks, police
>cruisers, etc. etc. They did say we could feel free to call 911 as
>you suggest. I don't know anyone who has actually done this. It's
>hard to believe you could call 911 and *not* get a visit from someone
>wearing a badge and a gun, but if it seems inevitable, it's probably
>worth a try. The waste of expensive resources on a perfect, safe, no
>damage to anything landout was something to behold.
>
>
>
>-Evan Ludeman / T8
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Cliff Hilty[_4_]]

I have routinely called 911 after landing in a perfectly good airport that
was abandoned and locked. Most of the time they give me the code to the
gate and thats as far as it goes. A few times they send a rep (cop usually)
to open it. And only once (and I didn't even land yet) have the full
brigrade shown up including mercenaries to search , detain and harrass for
awhile till they got there adrenaline fill for the evening. It was pretty
amazing watching 6 ex marines standing around/over Rose with sub machines
guns like she might get away :) But that is another story:)

At 15:18 22 December 2011, T8 wrote:
>On Dec 22, 9:17=A0am, John Cochrane
>wrote:
>>
>> It may be a good idea to call 911 immediately after landing out and
>> tell them that there is NO accident, no matter what their other phone
>> calls say.
>>
>> John Cochrane
>
>I had a friendly conversation with the 911 dispatch folks in NH (on
>the 800 number I found on the website, not "'911"!) about this issue
>after we received all sorts of unwanted "help" with a routine club
>1-23 retrieve... including a medivac helicopter, fire trucks, police
>cruisers, etc. etc. They did say we could feel free to call 911 as
>you suggest. I don't know anyone who has actually done this. It's
>hard to believe you could call 911 and *not* get a visit from someone
>wearing a badge and a gun, but if it seems inevitable, it's probably
>worth a try. The waste of expensive resources on a perfect, safe, no
>damage to anything landout was something to behold.
>
>
>
>-Evan Ludeman / T8
>
>
>
>
>
>

[JohnDeRosa]

On Dec 22, 9:02*am, Tony > wrote:
> On Dec 22, 8:50*am, JohnDeRosa > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Here is the link to NTSB Part 830....
>
> >http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=2150208c5457...
>
> > The key part seems to be shown in "830.2 Definitions". *To me this
> > doesn't really apply to an uneventful landout...except that (like most
> > FAA/NTSB documentation) it is open to interpretation.
>
> > "Aircraft accident means an occurrence associated with the operation
> > of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards
> > the aircraft with the intention of flight and all such persons have
> > disembarked, and in which any person suffers death or serious injury,
> > or in which the aircraft receives substantial damage."
>
> > "Incident means an occurrence other than an accident, associated with
> > the operation of an aircraft, which affects or could affect the safety
> > of operations."
>
> Another Key definition is:
>
> Substantial damage means damage or failure which adversely affects the
> structural strength, performance, or flight characteristics of the
> aircraft, and which would normally require major repair or replacement
> of the affected component. Engine failure or damage limited to an
> engine if only one engine fails or is damaged, bent fairings or
> cowling, dented skin, small punctured holes in the skin or fabric,
> ground damage to rotor or propeller blades, and damage to landing
> gear, wheels, tires, flaps, engine accessories, brakes, or wingtips
> are not considered “substantial damage” for the purpose of this part.

I agree that there isn't much in the "Aircraft Accident" or the
"Substantial Damange" definitions that would point anyone to need to
notify the NTSB if a clean landout occurs.

The gotch catch-all is the "Incident" definition which states
"...affects or could affect the safety of operations.". This is
something that someone MIGHT think applies to any landout. This
sentence basically says we need to predict the future because this
clean landout might affect the next non-clean landout. Huh?

- John

[Ramy]

On Dec 22, 7:18*am, T8 > wrote:
> On Dec 22, 9:17*am, John Cochrane >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > It may be a good idea to call 911 immediately after landing out and
> > tell them that there is NO accident, no matter what their other phone
> > calls say.
>
> > John Cochrane
>
> I had a friendly conversation with the 911 dispatch folks in NH (on
> the 800 number I found on the website, not "'911"!) about this issue
> after we received all sorts of unwanted "help" with a routine club
> 1-23 retrieve... including a medivac helicopter, fire trucks, police
> cruisers, etc. etc. *They did say we could feel free to call 911 as
> you suggest. *I don't know anyone who has actually done this. *It's
> hard to believe you could call 911 and *not* get a visit from someone
> wearing a badge and a gun, but if it seems inevitable, it's probably
> worth a try. *The waste of expensive resources on a perfect, safe, no
> damage to anything landout was something to behold.
>
> -Evan Ludeman / T8

Couple of years ago I landed in a field next to HWY 580 which is a
major hwy. The landout was easily visible form the road, so I figured
sooner or later someone will call 911. So I did exactly as John
suggested, called 911 and explained that there was no emergency, and
indeed no one showed up.
However I also know of a pilot who did not call 911, waited until the
police arrived, and talked them into giving him a ride back...

Ramy

[Bart[_4_]]

On Dec 22, 2:39*pm, Ramy > wrote:
> Couple of years ago I landed in a field next to HWY 580 which is a
> major hwy. The landout was easily visible form the road, so I figured
> sooner or later someone will call 911. So I did exactly as John
> suggested, called 911 and explained that there was no emergency, and
> indeed no one showed up.
> However I also know of a pilot who did not call 911, waited until the
> police arrived, and talked them into giving him a ride back...

When I landed in a field, a police cruiser stopped by a minute later.
Turns out, he was just passing by and saw me. On my request, he called
his dispatcher and let them know that there was no plane crash. AND I
got my ride back!

Bart

[Martin Gregorie[_5_]]

On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:29:20 +0000, Cliff Hilty wrote:

> And only once (and I didn't even land yet) have the full
> brigrade shown up including mercenaries to search , detain and harrass
> for awhile till they got there adrenaline fill for the evening. It was
> pretty amazing watching 6 ex marines standing around/over Rose with sub
> machines guns like she might get away :) But that is another story:)
>
When I was still pre-solo I went to help get an LS-8 out of a field about
20 miles from our airfield. It had landed in a big field behind a village
and, as you might guess, one of the locals had dialled 999 to report a
plane crash. When we arrived the last of the cops etc. had just left. On
rolling up with the trailer and asking a woman how to get into the field,
she told us and then had a small rant about how come a land-out that
wasn't even an emergency could block the main street with an ambulance,
fire engine and two squad cars, but somehow the cops, medics and firemen
were never available for a real emergency.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

[Darryl Ramm]

On 12/22/11 2:39 PM, Ramy wrote:
> On Dec 22, 7:18 am, > wrote:
>> On Dec 22, 9:17 am, John >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> It may be a good idea to call 911 immediately after landing out and
>>> tell them that there is NO accident, no matter what their other phone
>>> calls say.
>>
>>> John Cochrane
>>
>> I had a friendly conversation with the 911 dispatch folks in NH (on
>> the 800 number I found on the website, not "'911"!) about this issue
>> after we received all sorts of unwanted "help" with a routine club
>> 1-23 retrieve... including a medivac helicopter, fire trucks, police
>> cruisers, etc. etc. They did say we could feel free to call 911 as
>> you suggest. I don't know anyone who has actually done this. It's
>> hard to believe you could call 911 and *not* get a visit from someone
>> wearing a badge and a gun, but if it seems inevitable, it's probably
>> worth a try. The waste of expensive resources on a perfect, safe, no
>> damage to anything landout was something to behold.
>>
>> -Evan Ludeman / T8
>
> Couple of years ago I landed in a field next to HWY 580 which is a
> major hwy. The landout was easily visible form the road, so I figured
> sooner or later someone will call 911. So I did exactly as John
> suggested, called 911 and explained that there was no emergency, and
> indeed no one showed up.
> However I also know of a pilot who did not call 911, waited until the
> police arrived, and talked them into giving him a ride back...
>
> Ramy
>

And Ramy retrieved me from a field once where I landed out after
crossing over I5, a major Highway in the San Joaquin Valley. As I was on
my cell phone to let the gliderport I had take off from know I had
landed out and was OK I see two police cruisers and a county fire-rescue
truck coming at me across the field with lights and sirens. Turns out
that somebody had called 911 and reported an "aircraft crash with
injuries". It was pretty obvious that there was no "crash" and no
injuries. We chatted for a while about how landouts are a normal part of
gliding and we are prepared for them and its not an emergency (fudging
over the fact that this was actually a motorglider with pilot error
induced failure to in-flight restart-oops).

The county radio dispatcher was being a real pain on the radio,
insisting the "crash" needed to be reported to the FAA immediately but
all the on-site police and paramedics (around 6 staff) realized this was
just silly and wanted about as little to do with dealing with
bureaucracy as I did so they eventually convinced the dispatcher to be
quiet (I had to laugh when they all described her as "a pain in the
ass") and we finished up talking a bit more about gliders and they just
asked next time to preemptively call 911 and make clear that you are the
pilot in command and describe the situation. They also wanted to make
sure I had drinking water, somebody was coming to pick me up etc.
checked if I needed a lift etc. I would like to avoid this in future and
would err on the side of just calling 911 preemptively and being ultra
calm and just let them know what is going on. I think that also
potentially helps if you find yourself in the situation with a hostile
land owner--it allows you to say all the usual really sorry about
landing here stuff, but also to let them know you have called 911 to
report the landout may help. YMMV of course.

Darryl

[rlovinggood]

On a landout, my first call is to 911 and tell them that the call is
not an emergency, then I tell them I've landed out and that I do not
need assistance from "first responders."

One time, it was interesting in that the 911 dispatcher asked me where
I was. Well, I was in North Carolina, but I wasn't sure exactly which
county, knowing I was pretty close to the county line. I was going to
give the 911 person my longitude and latitude, but he said he had it
and he then told me what county I was in. Later on, the landowner -
farmer arrived, with a big pistol in a holster on his hip, and he told
me I was in a different county than what the 911 dispatcher said.
Then, he started thinking and then agreed with the county dispatcher.
Apparently, the county line crossed the big field I had landed in. I
suppose the 911 dispatcher is looking at the phone's location on a GIS
map. By the way, the farmer told me he was carrying the pistol
because he had seen a mama bear and a cub walking in his field and he
was out checking on where to set up his deer hunting stand and didn't
want to surprise the mama bear. But if he did, he wanted to be
armed. He told me the pistol wasn't because I was out there. Whew!

The idea of calling 911 and letting them know it's not an emergency is
so they don't send a large number of people and equipment out to check
on a "crash". On the other hand, if I did crash, the rescue teams
might be needed. So I don't want the "first responders" to get into
the notion that they don't have to respond to ANY glider that has
landed out. If one or two law enforcement officers show up, I don't
see that as a problem at all.

One time, I landed at a runway that had been closed and is used by the
county to train the first responders to drive. Most of the runway had
a bunch of traffic cones on it, but I managed to find a spot long
enough to safely land. I pushed the glider to the parallel taxiway
(which would have been PERFECT to land on...) and soon, I had about
three police cruisers and five or six policemen from the classroom
come out to meet me. As said in a previous post, their dispatcher
wanted the police to not only call the FAA, but to arrest me. But the
on-site policemen were really nice and said the dispatcher was a dork
and beside, the dispatcher wasn't their boss. One policeman said he
was glad I landed at a "safe" place rather in the forested areas
around the airport.

Ray Lovinggood
Carrboro, North Carolina, USA

[Burt Compton - Marfa]

Some law enforcement and fire-rescue "standard procedures" include
calling the FAA for any aircraft incident.
The dispatchers probably get out the "book" and start relaying this to
the field officers.

[Frank Paynter[_2_]]

For the last 4-5 years, the Cordele, Ga. contest management has
advised us to call 911 preemptively, to avoid the first-responder
nonsense.

Frank Paynter (TA)


On Dec 22, 9:17*am, John Cochrane >
wrote:
> > my experience in 25 or 30 landouts with maybe 5 of them involving
> > local law enforcement is that they have not called the FAA before they
> > talk to me. *Even the one who was responding to the 911 call of a
> > plane crashing south of town came out to investigate the plane crash
> > first. *Thankfully I got him to call off the volunteer firefighter and
> > ambulance squad before they showed up. YMMV.
>
> It may be a good idea to call 911 immediately after landing out and
> tell them that there is NO accident, no matter what their other phone
> calls say.
>
> John Cochrane

[kevin anderson]

In 1998 before a contest at TSA, Marvin Willis spoke to and got a
written follow up letter from the FSDO in Dallas stating that the FAA
does not consider an off-airport landing by a sailplane a reportable
incident if there is no damage to aircraft, property of another, or
injury to any person.

I have a PDF of this that I would be happy to share. Tried several
times to attach it, but to no success.

Email me off the thread and I will send you back the PDF. Have been
carrying the letter several years, not used it yet.

Kevin
192

[Wayne Paul]

Here is a link to Kevin's pdf file.
http://www.soaridaho.com/Misc/FAALandOut.pdf

It is probably something that could be updated by a person that has a good
relationship with their FSDO.

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/


"kevin anderson" wrote in message
...

In 1998 before a contest at TSA, Marvin Willis spoke to and got a
written follow up letter from the FSDO in Dallas stating that the FAA
does not consider an off-airport landing by a sailplane a reportable
incident if there is no damage to aircraft, property of another, or
injury to any person.

I have a PDF of this that I would be happy to share. Tried several
times to attach it, but to no success.

Email me off the thread and I will send you back the PDF. Have been
carrying the letter several years, not used it yet.

Kevin
192

[Larry Suter]

On Dec 27 2011, 7:55*am, "Wayne Paul" > wrote:
> Here is a link to Kevin's pdf file.http://www.soaridaho.com/Misc/FAALandOut.pdf
>
> It is probably something that could be updated by a person that has a good
> relationship with their FSDO.
>
> Waynehttp://www.soaridaho.com/
>
> "kevin anderson" *wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> In 1998 before a contest at TSA, Marvin Willis spoke to and got a
> written follow up letter from the FSDO in Dallas stating that the FAA
> does not consider an off-airport landing by a sailplane a reportable
> incident if there is no damage to aircraft, property of another, or
> injury to any person.
>
> I have a PDF of this that I would be happy to share. *Tried several
> times to attach it, but to no success.
>
> Email me off the thread and I will send you back the PDF. *Have been
> carrying the letter several years, not used it yet.
>
> Kevin
> 192

Kevin, Wayne,

Thanks. This document is just the sort of thing our club is looking
for. Perhaps we'll be able to get it reissued by the Oakland FSDO.

Happy New Year,
Larry