CBS News- Small Airport Security 1/14 Wed

[RDA]

Dan Rather/ CBS Evening News is advertising a sensational news story about
small airport security, or, as the advertisement implies, the serious lack
of it.

Typical tag line: "What we found out will surprise you!"

Ok...prepare to be surprised...and gutted...and vivisectioned...only as the
media knows how...

It's supposed to air 1/14/04 according to ads.

Did anybody see the coverage of the 'lady pilot' on their Early Show today?
There was something that was supposed to surprise us there, but I didn't get
to watch it. Dang.


RDA

[C J Campbell]

"RDA" > wrote in message
. ..
| Dan Rather/ CBS Evening News is advertising a sensational news story about
| small airport security, or, as the advertisement implies, the serious lack
| of it.
|
| Typical tag line: "What we found out will surprise you!"
|

If the news media want more security, I suggest we let them have it.
Literally. Any news person photographing the airport or interviewing pilots
or airport personnel should be bodily tackled and their camera and recording
equipment smashed. Then we tell them that the airport cannot be photographed
or aviation employees interviewed because it might give away security
secrets. Hey, if it is good enough the FAA's HQ, then we can do no less for
our precious airfields.

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
"karel adams" > wrote:

> "C J Campbell" > schreef in
> bericht ...
> >
> > "RDA" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > | Dan Rather/ CBS Evening News is advertising a sensational news story
> about
> > | small airport security, or, as the advertisement implies, the
> serious lack
> > | of it.
> > |
> > | Typical tag line: "What we found out will surprise you!"
> > |
> >
> > If the news media want more security, I suggest we let them have it.
> > Literally. Any news person photographing the airport or interviewing
> pilots
> > or airport personnel should be bodily tackled and their camera and
> recording
> > equipment smashed. Then we tell them that the airport cannot be
> photographed
> > or aviation employees interviewed because it might give away security
> > secrets. Hey, if it is good enough the FAA's HQ, then we can do no
> less for
> > our precious airfields.
>
> <cynical>
>
> Yes that certainly ought to be introduced.
> Now that the former USSR enemy is dead
> (or at least harmless)
> the USA absolutely need to take over
> all their weaknesses
>
> Going the right way, Uncle Sam!
> Wishing you a merry senility!
>
> </cynical>
>
> PS suggestion: instead of allowing lawyers to sue
> any supplier of aviation equipment/accessories
> into bankruptcy, could not Uncle Sam steer them
> against untruthful information providers?
>
> KA
>
>

I watched the hit piece. IMHO, the Eagle's Nest people got taken -- they
probably invited CBS in, hoping that they would make a feature putting
the "threat" into perspective.

If the news people had any common sense, they would realize that GA --
especially residential airparks -- present the wrong demographics for
terrorists to thrive. In an airpark, everybody knows everybody else.
Those facts were probably deliberately left on the cutting room floor.

I heard that Sam Donaldson wanted to do a story on Spruce Creek about a
year ago -- the POA politely turned him down.

[C J Campbell]

"Orval Fairbairn" > wrote in message
...
| >
|
| I watched the hit piece. IMHO, the Eagle's Nest people got taken -- they
| probably invited CBS in, hoping that they would make a feature putting
| the "threat" into perspective.
|

Shows like "60 Minutes" thrive on this kind of optimism. They tell their
victims "We can do this with you or without you, but if you cooperate you
will get to tell your side of the story." Sure you do. They just won't air
the part that tells your side of the story. And yet people still think after
years of this nonsense that they can still beat the network smear goons at
their own game. Just goes to show there is a sucker born every minute.

So many people over at rec.aviation.piloting were so proud that their emails
and calls prompted yet another network type to come out and do a response at
their airport. Most of them will not be aired at all or, if they are lucky,
in the middle of the daytime soaps. Those that actually make prime time news
will be made to look like fools or selfish, evil businessmen that got their
toes stepped on.

My advice: never talk to a reporter. Never cooperate. Harass and interfere
with their work as much as possible. Let them know that they are a detriment
to society and that their efforts are not appreciated -- in any area, not
just aviation. Remember, what they do to aviation is what they do to
everybody else. Ask any landlord, doctor, or boat owner. Those people don't
advertise on TV, so it is easy to pick on them.

[Ed Wischmeyer]

> My advice: never talk to a reporter. Never cooperate. Harass and interfere
> with their work as much as possible. Let them know that they are a detriment
> to society and that their efforts are not appreciated -- in any area, not
> just aviation. Remember, what they do to aviation is what they do to
> everybody else. Ask any landlord, doctor, or boat owner. Those people don't
> advertise on TV, so it is easy to pick on them.

Or here's another way. Take notes on who the sponsors are on CBS news,
and organize a group and go out and buy competitor's products. Mail the
receipts, along with very calm, professional-like letters, and explain
politely to those sponsors that they are supporting threats to American
freedom in the same way that some Muslim charities are supporting
threats to American physical security, and you are working hard to take
business away from them -- as witnessed by the receipts. If you got 100
people from all over the country to send in letters with receipts, you
might do some good.

Ed Wischmeyer

[John Ousterhout]

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:01:38 -0800, "C J Campbell"
> wrote:

>My advice: never talk to a reporter. Never cooperate. Harass and interfere
>with their work as much as possible. Let them know that they are a detriment
>to society and that their efforts are not appreciated -- in any area, not
>just aviation. Remember, what they do to aviation is what they do to
>everybody else. Ask any landlord, doctor, or boat owner. Those people don't
>advertise on TV, so it is easy to pick on them.

If you don't like the US media here perhaps you'd prefer the Red
Chinese media :-)

Compared to the others, ours is great.

- John (grading on the curve) Ousterhout -

[C J Campbell]

"John Ousterhout" >
wrote in message ...
| On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:01:38 -0800, "C J Campbell"
| > wrote:
|
| >My advice: never talk to a reporter. Never cooperate. Harass and
interfere
| >with their work as much as possible. Let them know that they are a
detriment
| >to society and that their efforts are not appreciated -- in any area, not
| >just aviation. Remember, what they do to aviation is what they do to
| >everybody else. Ask any landlord, doctor, or boat owner. Those people
don't
| >advertise on TV, so it is easy to pick on them.
|
| If you don't like the US media here perhaps you'd prefer the Red
| Chinese media :-)
|
| Compared to the others, ours is great.

It apparently is no more accurate. What is so great about it? Why does the
choice have to be between US media idiots and the Chinese? Why can't we have
responsible news media and let the commies do whatever they want with
theirs?

[Snowbird]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message >...
> So many people over at rec.aviation.piloting were so proud that their emails
> and calls prompted yet another network type to come out and do a response at
> their airport.

<much snipped>

CJ,

Would you be so kind as to help me out with the links (or the
names of the posters and subject lines) of these "so many people"?

I think I may have seen one post making the suggestion but none
from people who actually did it, and I'd really like to read
them.

Thanks a bunch! You can email me, hoeltzli at swbell dot net
if you prefer.

I don't know if the manager of the airport CBS quoted got "taken"
or not. He seems to have some different views than I would have
expected -- but then, I do take the point that one can be asked
leading questions or have the context left on the cutting room floor.

> My advice: never talk to a reporter. Never cooperate.

Well, this pretty much 100% guarantees what side of the story
will be presented.

Cheers,
Sydney

[C J Campbell]

"Snowbird" > wrote in message
om...
| "C J Campbell" > wrote in message
>...
| > So many people over at rec.aviation.piloting were so proud that their
emails
| > and calls prompted yet another network type to come out and do a
response at
| > their airport.
|
| <much snipped>
|
| CJ,
|
| Would you be so kind as to help me out with the links (or the
| names of the posters and subject lines) of these "so many people"?
|

Jim Burns said that a local affiliate was on its way out to his airport.
Other posters thought it was a good idea and it has been a recurring theme
that the best way to get news support is to call local news people and take
them for free rides, etc.

| I think I may have seen one post making the suggestion but none
| from people who actually did it, and I'd really like to read
| them.
|
| Thanks a bunch! You can email me, hoeltzli at swbell dot net
| if you prefer.
|
| I don't know if the manager of the airport CBS quoted got "taken"
| or not. He seems to have some different views than I would have
| expected -- but then, I do take the point that one can be asked
| leading questions or have the context left on the cutting room floor.
|
| > My advice: never talk to a reporter. Never cooperate.
|
| Well, this pretty much 100% guarantees what side of the story
| will be presented.

The same side that would be presented if you did not grant the interview,
but at least you would be spared the embarrassment of either appearing to
agree with everything they say or being made to look like a fool.

[AL]

Your standards are too low, John. After ZZZZZZZOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM though, I can
understand you thinking that the REST of American media is pretty tame. We
must never succumb to the easy way out engendered by accepting the
unacceptable just because it's the best there is.

--
Al Mills
Wake me before we take off...
"John Ousterhout" >
wrote in message ...
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:01:38 -0800, "C J Campbell"
> > wrote:
>

>
> If you don't like the US media here perhaps you'd prefer the Red
> Chinese media :-)
>
> Compared to the others, ours is great.
>
> - John (grading on the curve) Ousterhout -
>

[Dave Hyde]

C J Campbell wrote:

> My advice: never talk to a reporter. Never cooperate.

So you'll turn your back when someone from "AOPA Pilot"
or "Sport Aviation" wants to talk to you? Should
Phil Boyer follow this advice as well and not rebut
hatchet jobs? No letters to editors either?
Maybe we shouldn't post here either?

I'm no big fan of mainstream media (and I have on
occasion attempted to disrupt local news crews <g>),
but I recognize that there are times when potentially good
reports can turn bad when the community clams up.

Dave 'knee-jerk' Hyde

[RobertR237]

In article >, "AL" >
writes:

>
>Your standards are too low, John. After ZZZZZZZOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM though, I can
>understand you thinking that the REST of American media is pretty tame. We
>must never succumb to the easy way out engendered by accepting the
>unacceptable just because it's the best there is.
>
>--
>

Just remember, their coverage of other topics is no better than it was about
small airport security. We have been sold a bill of goods by our media for a
long time and it is not getting better, only worse.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

[RobertR237]

In article >, John Ousterhout
> writes:

>
>If you don't like the US media here perhaps you'd prefer the Red
>Chinese media :-)
>
>Compared to the others, ours is great.
>
>- John (grading on the curve) Ousterhout -
>
>

No, just a choice of bad or worse.

Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

[Eric Miller]

"RobertR237" > wrote in message
...
> Just remember, their coverage of other topics is no better than it was
about
> small airport security. We have been sold a bill of goods by our media
for a
> long time and it is not getting better, only worse.

Couldn't agree more, Bob.

Whenever the media covers something I *know* about, they invariably get
wrong.
Sometimes a little wrong, sometimes a lot wrong, but always wrong.
Which makes me doubt the accuracy of their coverage of things I'm not as
well versed in.

Eric

[E. B. White]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message >...
> "Orval Fairbairn" > wrote in message
> ...
> | >
> |
> | I watched the hit piece. IMHO, the Eagle's Nest people got taken -- they
> | probably invited CBS in, hoping that they would make a feature putting
> | the "threat" into perspective.
> |
>
> Shows like "60 Minutes" thrive on this kind of optimism. They tell their
> victims "We can do this with you or without you, but if you cooperate you
> will get to tell your side of the story." Sure you do. They just won't air
> the part that tells your side of the story. And yet people still think after
> years of this nonsense that they can still beat the network smear goons at
> their own game. Just goes to show there is a sucker born every minute.
>
....or, in the apparent case of 60 Minutes II reporter Bob Simon, you
do a piece on white collar crime, specifically wire fraud, computer
crimes, identity theft, using EBay to move "hot merchandise" ad
nauseum, telling the world (or at least the 60 Minutes II audience)
how bad these people are and how easy it is to commit these crimes.
THEN, you apparently provide bail and pay for the best (and highest
priced) attorney in Phoenix who specializes in defending people
accused of those types of crimes(Tim Eckstein of the firm of Osborn
Maledon) because YOUR BROTHER, Tom Simon, was arrested, after a high
speed chase which ended in a crash on 5 November 2003, for the very
things you "exposed" on 60 Minutes.

FMI on Tom Simon: http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/criminal/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CR2003-026367

and

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/criminal/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CR2003-024607

I wonder if Mr. Orr has a brother who flies?

EBW

[Corky Scott]

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:00:33 -0800, "C J Campbell"
> wrote:


>
>It apparently is no more accurate. What is so great about it? Why does the
>choice have to be between US media idiots and the Chinese? Why can't we have
>responsible news media and let the commies do whatever they want with
>theirs?
>
>
My understanding: TV news shows are now just parts of TV
conglomerates. They aren't really news shows anymore, they must
compete with other non news shows for a share of the TV audience. In
other words, the news programs that were once staffed by the likes of
pioneers Edward R. Morrow, Walter Cronkite, and Eric Severide, who
were news journalists, are now competing with Fear Factor,
Bachelorette and the Jerry Springer show for audience share.

They are considered by their owners to be another form of TV
entertainment that must do it's part to draw viewers.

So the more interesting the story, the bigger the audience share.
That's why they now announce news stories ahead of time: "tune in
tomorrow for our piece on small airports, it will shock you!"

It's also why the TV news always seems so sensational. "We go now to
our intrepid reporter Biff Power who is reporting in the path of a
raging tornado the size and power of which DWARF's all tornados in the
history of the world." "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!"

Corky Scott

PS, wonder if Morrow worried about audience share?

[Richard Isakson]

Wait 'til the press finds out that little airplanes don't really need
airports. There are millions of cow pastures across america that a plane
can land in and load all sorts of evil. Tom Ridge will be doing body cavity
searches on every cow he can find.

And you wondered where mad cows come from.

Rich

[Blueskies]

Kind of like the presidential candidates...all of them.

--
Dan D.



..
"RobertR237" > wrote in message ...
> In article >, John Ousterhout
> > writes:
>
> >
> >If you don't like the US media here perhaps you'd prefer the Red
> >Chinese media :-)
> >
> >Compared to the others, ours is great.
> >
> >- John (grading on the curve) Ousterhout -
> >
> >
>
> No, just a choice of bad or worse.
>
> Bob Reed
> www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
> KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....
>
> "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
> pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
> (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)
>

[RobertR237]

In article m>, "Blueskies"
> writes:

>
>Kind of like the presidential candidates...all of them.
>
>--
>Dan D.
>
>

I would agree with that statement 100 %.

Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

[andy asberry]

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:14:23 GMT,
(Corky Scott) wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:00:33 -0800, "C J Campbell"
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>It apparently is no more accurate. What is so great about it? Why does the
>>choice have to be between US media idiots and the Chinese? Why can't we have
>>responsible news media and let the commies do whatever they want with
>>theirs?
>>
>>
>My understanding: TV news shows are now just parts of TV
>conglomerates. They aren't really news shows anymore, they must
>compete with other non news shows for a share of the TV audience. In
>other words, the news programs that were once staffed by the likes of
>pioneers Edward R. Morrow, Walter Cronkite, and Eric Severide, who
>were news journalists, are now competing with Fear Factor,
>Bachelorette and the Jerry Springer show for audience share.
>
>They are considered by their owners to be another form of TV
>entertainment that must do it's part to draw viewers.
>
>So the more interesting the story, the bigger the audience share.
>That's why they now announce news stories ahead of time: "tune in
>tomorrow for our piece on small airports, it will shock you!"
>
>It's also why the TV news always seems so sensational. "We go now to
>our intrepid reporter Biff Power who is reporting in the path of a
>raging tornado the size and power of which DWARF's all tornados in the
>history of the world." "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!"
>
>Corky Scott
>
>PS, wonder if Morrow worried about audience share?

Our local paper is no better. Just last week, an article stated the
suspect was being held in county jail on $50,000 bond. Efforts to
reach him at his residence were unsuccessful. No joke. He must be
ducking the press!
Very next sentence; "Calls to his attorney went unanswered". Duh, it's
Saturday.

[C J Campbell]

"RobertR237" > wrote in message
...
| In article m>,
"Blueskies"
| > writes:
|
| >
| >Kind of like the presidential candidates...all of them.
| >
| >--
| >Dan D.
| >
| >
|
| I would agree with that statement 100 %.

We may end up, as Captain Jack Aubrey did, having to choose the lesser of
two weevils.

[C J Campbell]

"RDA" > wrote in message
. ..
| Dan Rather/ CBS Evening News is advertising a sensational news story about
| small airport security, or, as the advertisement implies, the serious lack
| of it.
|
| Typical tag line: "What we found out will surprise you!"
|
| Ok...prepare to be surprised...and gutted...and vivisectioned...only as
the
| media knows how...
|

Well, I guess tonight that CBS wanted to know why that drunken pilot in
Philadelphia was not blown out of the sky by the military. Never mind any
possible collateral damage to persons or property on the ground or to
passengers or family in the plane.

Of course, if the plane had been shot down, I can see CBS' tag line: "Bush
administration orders small plane shot down. Family of four, including
husband, wife and two small children murdered by cruel regime. See our full
report on this latest outrage at 11."

[Richard Lamb]

C J Campbell wrote:
>
> Well, I guess tonight that CBS wanted to know why that drunken pilot in
> Philadelphia was not blown out of the sky by the military. Never mind any
> possible collateral damage to persons or property on the ground or to
> passengers or family in the plane.
>
> Of course, if the plane had been shot down, I can see CBS' tag line: "Bush
> administration orders small plane shot down. Family of four, including
> husband, wife and two small children murdered by cruel regime. See our full
> report on this latest outrage at 11."


Smack on the money.

[RobertR237]

In article >, Richard Lamb
> writes:

>>
>> Well, I guess tonight that CBS wanted to know why that drunken pilot in
>> Philadelphia was not blown out of the sky by the military. Never mind any
>> possible collateral damage to persons or property on the ground or to
>> passengers or family in the plane.
>>
>> Of course, if the plane had been shot down, I can see CBS' tag line: "Bush
>> administration orders small plane shot down. Family of four, including
>> husband, wife and two small children murdered by cruel regime. See our full
>> report on this latest outrage at 11."
>
>
>Smack on the money.
>
>

How many times have you noticed the media do some eposure story that actually
produced some results and action only to witness the same media do another
story blasting the actions taken to correct the original problem? I have seen
it over and over again but it seems that most people never connect the two.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

[Model Flyer]

"Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
...
> Wait 'til the press finds out that little airplanes don't really
need
> airports. There are millions of cow pastures across america that a
plane
> can land in and load all sorts of evil. Tom Ridge will be doing
body cavity
> searches on every cow he can find.
>
> And you wondered where mad cows come from.
>

Mad Cows get it up the front end not the back end, that where the
bull get's in.:-)
--
---
Cheers,
Jonathan Lowe.
/
don't bother me with insignificiant nonsence such as spelling,
I don't care if it spelt properly
/
Sometimes I fly and sometimes I just dream about it.
:-)



> Rich
>
>