Skyranger?

[sue sanchez]

Anyone have comments or experiences with this French-kit aircraft?

"http://www.skyranger.net/page28.html" (English language page)

"http://www.greenlandings.com/index.html" (apparently US distributor)

Inexpensive and claimed build-time is short. No welding.

I'm especially interested because I can't get an Airman's Certificate
(take medication) so hope "Sport Pilot" certication will be available.

[Pete]

Hi Sue,

Why hope for the Sport class when you could build the Europa Long wing and
fly with a motorglider endorsment within the current rules..... as few
already are - one such pilot is Dave Anderson as was published in a recent
issue of Kitplanes Magazine (see
http://www.europa-aircraft.com/Bulletin%20Board/BulletinBoard.htm and scroll
down the page). 140 knots up high ain't bad.

Cheers,
Pete
Europa build A239 (with both long and short wings)


"sue sanchez" > wrote in message
om...
> Anyone have comments or experiences with this French-kit aircraft?
>
> "http://www.skyranger.net/page28.html" (English language page)
>
> "http://www.greenlandings.com/index.html" (apparently US distributor)
>
> Inexpensive and claimed build-time is short. No welding.
>
> I'm especially interested because I can't get an Airman's Certificate
> (take medication) so hope "Sport Pilot" certication will be available.

[Martin]

hi sue , I know them quite well, I built two of them
it is a "sky jeep" , dont expect it to look like a mooney, but is extremely
fast to build, the whole plane is done within one month with two guys
working 10h a day, and flies reasonably well: kind of plane you need to
"pilot " (you need your feet busy) but cruising is 120km/h with rotax 582 or
140km/h with rotax 912, in Europe it is used a lot in training like cessna
152, will stand easily 2000h on airframe without any worry.
we normally fly them with Rotax 582 or 912, if you managed to hear about
people having some experience with Jabiru engine let me know
, it might be th engine for my third sky
ranger...
martin

"sue sanchez" > a écrit dans le message news:
...
> Anyone have comments or experiences with this French-kit aircraft?
>
> "http://www.skyranger.net/page28.html" (English language page)
>
> "http://www.greenlandings.com/index.html" (apparently US distributor)
>
> Inexpensive and claimed build-time is short. No welding.
>
> I'm especially interested because I can't get an Airman's Certificate
> (take medication) so hope "Sport Pilot" certication will be available.

[Paul Folbrecht]

You kinda have to wonder if a lot of attention to this loophole will
cause the FAA to close it. Yeah, "loophole"; that's what it looks like
to me. (Not that I'd like to see it closed by any means.)

Pete wrote:
> Hi Sue,
>
> Why hope for the Sport class when you could build the Europa Long wing and
> fly with a motorglider endorsment within the current rules..... as few
> already are - one such pilot is Dave Anderson as was published in a recent
> issue of Kitplanes Magazine (see
> http://www.europa-aircraft.com/Bulletin%20Board/BulletinBoard.htm and scroll
> down the page). 140 knots up high ain't bad.
>
> Cheers,
> Pete
> Europa build A239 (with both long and short wings)
>
>
> "sue sanchez" > wrote in message
> om...
>
>>Anyone have comments or experiences with this French-kit aircraft?
>>
>>"http://www.skyranger.net/page28.html" (English language page)
>>
>>"http://www.greenlandings.com/index.html" (apparently US distributor)
>>
>>Inexpensive and claimed build-time is short. No welding.
>>
>>I'm especially interested because I can't get an Airman's Certificate
>>(take medication) so hope "Sport Pilot" certication will be available.
>
>
>

[Pete]

I generally agree with you Paul,

But I wonder how they would close it, without causing much grief in the
existing and entrenched Soaring community.

I'm not sure how they would differentiate between a Europa Long wing and a
Stemme, or a DG, or Grob etc. in the regs.
The Europa does quite well as a legitmate low-->medium performance soaring
machine < 200ft/min sink and L/D ~27/1

Cheers,
Pete

"Paul Folbrecht" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> You kinda have to wonder if a lot of attention to this loophole will
> cause the FAA to close it. Yeah, "loophole"; that's what it looks like
> to me. (Not that I'd like to see it closed by any means.)
>
> Pete wrote:
> > Hi Sue,
> >
> > Why hope for the Sport class when you could build the Europa Long wing
and
> > fly with a motorglider endorsment within the current rules..... as few
> > already are - one such pilot is Dave Anderson as was published in a
recent
> > issue of Kitplanes Magazine (see
> > http://www.europa-aircraft.com/Bulletin%20Board/BulletinBoard.htm and
scroll
> > down the page). 140 knots up high ain't bad.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Pete
> > Europa build A239 (with both long and short wings)
> >
> >
> > "sue sanchez" > wrote in message
> > om...
> >
> >>Anyone have comments or experiences with this French-kit aircraft?
> >>
> >>"http://www.skyranger.net/page28.html" (English language page)
> >>
> >>"http://www.greenlandings.com/index.html" (apparently US distributor)
> >>
> >>Inexpensive and claimed build-time is short. No welding.
> >>
> >>I'm especially interested because I can't get an Airman's Certificate
> >>(take medication) so hope "Sport Pilot" certication will be available.
> >
> >
> >
>

[Tony Spicer]

Try this:

http://www.sonex-ltd.com/motorglider_definition.html

Tony

> wrote in message ...
> There was a thread a couple of months ago on what differentiatied a
motorglider
> from a regular airplane with a good L/D. IIRC there is a reference
somewhere in
> the FAA docs to maximum spanloading, but it wasn't conclusive, especially
for a
> homebuilt.
>
> The Europa long wing is a terrific airplane. For sport pilot class, look
at the
> RANS products. It's hard enough building a kit, doing it with product
support
> on the other side of the world makes it harder. And I'm boycotting the
French.
>
> I'm also put off by their claim that their construction method is
patented.
>
>
> In article >, Pete says...
> >
> >I generally agree with you Paul,
> >
> >But I wonder how they would close it, without causing much grief in the
> >existing and entrenched Soaring community.
> >
> >I'm not sure how they would differentiate between a Europa Long wing and
a
> >Stemme, or a DG, or Grob etc. in the regs.
> >The Europa does quite well as a legitmate low-->medium performance
soaring
> >machine < 200ft/min sink and L/D ~27/1
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Pete
> >
> >"Paul Folbrecht" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
> >> You kinda have to wonder if a lot of attention to this loophole will
> >> cause the FAA to close it. Yeah, "loophole"; that's what it looks like
> >> to me. (Not that I'd like to see it closed by any means.)
> >>
> >> Pete wrote:
> >> > Hi Sue,
> >> >
> >> > Why hope for the Sport class when you could build the Europa Long
wing
> >and
> >> > fly with a motorglider endorsment within the current rules..... as
few
> >> > already are - one such pilot is Dave Anderson as was published in a
> >recent
> >> > issue of Kitplanes Magazine (see
> >> > http://www.europa-aircraft.com/Bulletin%20Board/BulletinBoard.htm and
> >scroll
> >> > down the page). 140 knots up high ain't bad.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Pete
> >> > Europa build A239 (with both long and short wings)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "sue sanchez" > wrote in message
> >> > om...
> >> >
> >> >>Anyone have comments or experiences with this French-kit aircraft?
> >> >>
> >> >>"http://www.skyranger.net/page28.html" (English language page)
> >> >>
> >> >>"http://www.greenlandings.com/index.html" (apparently US distributor)
> >> >>
> >> >>Inexpensive and claimed build-time is short. No welding.
> >> >>
> >> >>I'm especially interested because I can't get an Airman's Certificate
> >> >>(take medication) so hope "Sport Pilot" certication will be
available.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>