If ya gotta shop...

....help me earn my Instrument Rating when you do!! I used my programming
career to aid in the creation and upgrade of an online pilot store. If the
store is successful I will have earned for my hours of work the instruction
time needed for my instrument ticket (the site is owned by a San Diego
flight instructor).

I apologize if the post here is inappropriate, I'm just looking for a decent
audience. I have utilized this rec site for a long time to get good
information and was the first place I thought of.
The store is pretty darn good...close to 1200 items all marked well below
mfg sugg price. I am still in the process of uploading all the picture
shots, but the quantity is there.

www.pilotjourneystore.com

Thanks for reading -
Jon Baker, PP-ASEL

[Peter Duniho]

> wrote in message
...
> I apologize if the post here is inappropriate

Apology accepted. Please don't do it again.

[Steve House]

You do that amount of work on speculation????? You get paid ONLY IF he
makes money? Nothing wrong with working on trade-out, web site design in
exchange for instruction, or even doing a single page as a free sample to
get the job, but not very professional on either of your parts to do it on
speculation. For both of you, it should be you do the work, you get paid.
Period.


> wrote in message
...
> ...help me earn my Instrument Rating when you do!! I used my programming
> career to aid in the creation and upgrade of an online pilot store. If the
> store is successful I will have earned for my hours of work the
instruction
> time needed for my instrument ticket (the site is owned by a San Diego
> flight instructor).
>
> I apologize if the post here is inappropriate, I'm just looking for a
decent
> audience. I have utilized this rec site for a long time to get good
> information and was the first place I thought of.
> The store is pretty darn good...close to 1200 items all marked well below
> mfg sugg price. I am still in the process of uploading all the picture
> shots, but the quantity is there.
>
> www.pilotjourneystore.com
>
> Thanks for reading -
> Jon Baker, PP-ASEL
>
>

[idkw]

Tough times breed innovation. Welcome to the new IT world, check your
credentials at the door, they're useless now.


"Steve House" > wrote in message >...
> You do that amount of work on speculation????? You get paid ONLY IF he
> makes money? Nothing wrong with working on trade-out, web site design in
> exchange for instruction, or even doing a single page as a free sample to
> get the job, but not very professional on either of your parts to do it on
> speculation. For both of you, it should be you do the work, you get paid.
> Period.
>
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > ...help me earn my Instrument Rating when you do!! I used my programming
> > career to aid in the creation and upgrade of an online pilot store. If the
> > store is successful I will have earned for my hours of work the
> instruction
> > time needed for my instrument ticket (the site is owned by a San Diego
> > flight instructor).
> >
> > I apologize if the post here is inappropriate, I'm just looking for a
> decent
> > audience. I have utilized this rec site for a long time to get good
> > information and was the first place I thought of.
> > The store is pretty darn good...close to 1200 items all marked well below
> > mfg sugg price. I am still in the process of uploading all the picture
> > shots, but the quantity is there.
> >
> > www.pilotjourneystore.com
> >
> > Thanks for reading -
> > Jon Baker, PP-ASEL
> >
> >

[Montblack]

(Sam" wrote)> Looks like a pretty good site to me! I wouldn't worry too
much about
> apologizing... People in this group advertise their hotels and such
> all the time. This is one of the most cliquish newgroups I have ever
> seen though, so you may get ripped on unless you "belong".


Shhh, I don't really belong here either!! For one, I sometimes top-post :-)

I've been *plonked* once (that I know of) and recently was called a Troll.
I've been called an idiot and, well, and idiot again.

Even so, I enjoy hang(ar)ing around here in my free time. I think this is a
very welcoming newsgroup. Many of the folks here do know each other pretty
well, but I wouldn't call that cliquish.

I went to an EAA meeting at my local airport this spring. Didn't know a
sole, wasn't building a plane. I was quiet and kept to myself, while a room
full of friends had their meeting - complete with inside jokes and vague
historical references to other inside jokes. After the meeting, I ended up
volunteering for a few things, and now know a couple more people over at the
airport than I did before the monthly meeting.

That EAA chapter wasn't cliquish either, they were quite welcoming. Now, if
I had stood up and spouted off about something I was on shaky ground
defending, they would have eaten me alive - then adjourned for coffee and
cookies.

--
Montblack

I'll would receive the trade agreed upon regardless of the financial
outcome. The owner of the store is a local CFI, and I would just feel much
better if her project really took off and did well as a result of the
changes. I guess the way I worded it sounded like my success relied on the
stores increased success.

"Steve House" > wrote in message
...
> You do that amount of work on speculation????? You get paid ONLY IF he
> makes money? Nothing wrong with working on trade-out, web site design in
> exchange for instruction, or even doing a single page as a free sample to
> get the job, but not very professional on either of your parts to do it on
> speculation. For both of you, it should be you do the work, you get paid.
> Period.
>
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > ...help me earn my Instrument Rating when you do!! I used my programming
> > career to aid in the creation and upgrade of an online pilot store. If
the
> > store is successful I will have earned for my hours of work the
> instruction
> > time needed for my instrument ticket (the site is owned by a San Diego
> > flight instructor).
> >
> > I apologize if the post here is inappropriate, I'm just looking for a
> decent
> > audience. I have utilized this rec site for a long time to get good
> > information and was the first place I thought of.
> > The store is pretty darn good...close to 1200 items all marked well
below
> > mfg sugg price. I am still in the process of uploading all the picture
> > shots, but the quantity is there.
> >
> > www.pilotjourneystore.com
> >
> > Thanks for reading -
> > Jon Baker, PP-ASEL
> >
> >
>
>

[Steve House]

Not a matter of credentials, just good business practices. If he wants to
take the risk, he's welcome to it but IMHO it's extremely unwise. Known too
many people who have been thoroughly ripped off by doing work on spec.

"idkw" > wrote in message
om...
> Tough times breed innovation. Welcome to the new IT world, check your
> credentials at the door, they're useless now.
>
>
> "Steve House" > wrote in message
>...
> > You do that amount of work on speculation????? You get paid ONLY IF he
> > makes money? Nothing wrong with working on trade-out, web site design
in
> > exchange for instruction, or even doing a single page as a free sample
to
> > get the job, but not very professional on either of your parts to do it
on
> > speculation. For both of you, it should be you do the work, you get
paid.
> > Period.
> >
> >
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > ...help me earn my Instrument Rating when you do!! I used my
programming
> > > career to aid in the creation and upgrade of an online pilot store. If
the
> > > store is successful I will have earned for my hours of work the
> > instruction
> > > time needed for my instrument ticket (the site is owned by a San Diego
> > > flight instructor).
> > >
> > > I apologize if the post here is inappropriate, I'm just looking for a
> > decent
> > > audience. I have utilized this rec site for a long time to get good
> > > information and was the first place I thought of.
> > > The store is pretty darn good...close to 1200 items all marked well
below
> > > mfg sugg price. I am still in the process of uploading all the picture
> > > shots, but the quantity is there.
> > >
> > > www.pilotjourneystore.com
> > >
> > > Thanks for reading -
> > > Jon Baker, PP-ASEL
> > >
> > >

[Judah]

Ahh, don't feel too bad...

The reality is, any time you give a customer any sort of terms, you run the
risk of being dependent on their success for payment. I had a customer for
whom I did a bunch of work thinking I was actually going to get paid for it
in 30 days, and they were sold in an asset sale by their bank 90 days after
my invoice date... Of course, all legal advice I received was that my invoice
was going to be at the bottom of the list behind the bank's secured credit,
and I was SOL...

I'm with you - spread the word and help make your customer successful!
Protect your investment and collect your training time!


> wrote in
:

> I'll would receive the trade agreed upon regardless of the financial
> outcome. The owner of the store is a local CFI, and I would just feel
> much better if her project really took off and did well as a result of
> the changes. I guess the way I worded it sounded like my success relied
> on the stores increased success.
>

[Sam]

"Montblack" > wrote in message >...
> (Sam" wrote)> Looks like a pretty good site to me! I wouldn't worry too
> much about
> > apologizing... People in this group advertise their hotels and such
> > all the time. This is one of the most cliquish newgroups I have ever
> > seen though, so you may get ripped on unless you "belong".
>
>
> Shhh, I don't really belong here either!! For one, I sometimes top-post :-)
>
> I've been *plonked* once (that I know of) and recently was called a Troll.
> I've been called an idiot and, well, and idiot again.
>
> Even so, I enjoy hang(ar)ing around here in my free time. I think this is a
> very welcoming newsgroup. Many of the folks here do know each other pretty
> well, but I wouldn't call that cliquish.
>
> I went to an EAA meeting at my local airport this spring. Didn't know a
> sole, wasn't building a plane. I was quiet and kept to myself, while a room
> full of friends had their meeting - complete with inside jokes and vague
> historical references to other inside jokes. After the meeting, I ended up
> volunteering for a few things, and now know a couple more people over at the
> airport than I did before the monthly meeting.
>
> That EAA chapter wasn't cliquish either, they were quite welcoming. Now, if
> I had stood up and spouted off about something I was on shaky ground
> defending, they would have eaten me alive - then adjourned for coffee and
> cookies.

Well, I would agree that it's a very *helpful* newsgroup. People here
do seem to know what they're doing and are quite willing to offer
advice, which is pretty cool. But some here also seem a little stuck
on themselves, which is kind of a turnoff.

[Mike Weller]

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:26:43 -0500, "Montblack"
> wrote:


>I've been *plonked* once (that I know of) and recently was called a Troll.
>I've been called an idiot and, well, and idiot again.
>

Me too. Oh, wait, that was from close family members.

Never mind.

[Steve House]

Been there - got the scars


"Judah" > wrote in message
...
> Ahh, don't feel too bad...
>
> The reality is, any time you give a customer any sort of terms, you run
the
> risk of being dependent on their success for payment. I had a customer for
> whom I did a bunch of work thinking I was actually going to get paid for
it
> in 30 days, and they were sold in an asset sale by their bank 90 days
after
> my invoice date... Of course, all legal advice I received was that my
invoice
> was going to be at the bottom of the list behind the bank's secured
credit,
> and I was SOL...
>
> I'm with you - spread the word and help make your customer successful!
> Protect your investment and collect your training time!
>
>
> > wrote in
> :
>
> > I'll would receive the trade agreed upon regardless of the financial
> > outcome. The owner of the store is a local CFI, and I would just feel
> > much better if her project really took off and did well as a result of
> > the changes. I guess the way I worded it sounded like my success relied
> > on the stores increased success.
> >

[Sydney Hoeltzli]

Sam wrote:

> Looks like a pretty good site to me! I wouldn't worry too much about
> apologizing... People in this group advertise their hotels and such
> all the time. This is one of the most cliquish newgroups I have ever
> seen though, so you may get ripped on unless you "belong".

Well, I don't know what you read, but people who "belong"
seem to get "ripped on" at regular intervals too, hee hee.
This is USENET, no one is immune unless they post 100% on-topic
in accord with the newsgroup charter and are uniformly polite.

In which case someone would probably rip on them for being
boring :)

I would personally prefer not to see advertisements in this
group, but IMHO objecting on-group tends to produce a longer,
more disruptive thread than just letting it slide.

Cheers,
Sydney