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[D. St-Sanvain]

[Savageduck[_3_]]

On 2011-08-26 23:23:57 -0700, (D.
St-Sanvain) said:

>
> <image>

Regardless of what they might claim, that is no P-38L.

That Red Bull P-38 has the small, swept back "Lightning MkI & MkII"
through to P-38G nacelle chin vents. Also there are no
turbo-superchargers.

This is a P-38L. Note the larger nacelle chin vents;



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Savageduck

[D. St-Sanvain]

Savageduck a écrit dans
<news:2011082700122978840-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> :
> On 2011-08-26 23:23:57 -0700, (D. St-Sanvain)
> said:
>
>>
>> <image>
>
> Regardless of what they might claim, that is no P-38L.
>
> That Red Bull P-38 has the small, swept back "Lightning MkI & MkII" through
> to P-38G nacelle chin vents. Also there are no turbo-superchargers.
>
> This is a P-38L. Note the larger nacelle chin vents;

Well... the serial number makes her a L, the external view doesn't. She
was used as a racer, and eventually underwent some modifications, which
may lead to an (X)P-38 (something) designation...
Same questions are asked about Zero modified T-6's...
Some even refer to her as a F-5 G !

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[Savageduck[_3_]]

On 2011-08-27 01:33:04 -0700, D. St-Sanvain
> said:

> Savageduck a écrit dans
> <news:2011082700122978840-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> :
>> On 2011-08-26 23:23:57 -0700, (D.
>> St-Sanvain) said:
>>
>>>
>>> <image>
>>
>> Regardless of what they might claim, that is no P-38L.
>>
>> That Red Bull P-38 has the small, swept back "Lightning MkI & MkII"
>> through to P-38G nacelle chin vents. Also there are no
>> turbo-superchargers.
>>
>> This is a P-38L. Note the larger nacelle chin vents;
>
> Well... the serial number makes her a L, the external view doesn't. She
> was used as a racer, and eventually underwent some modifications, which
> may lead to an (X)P-38 (something) designation...
> Same questions are asked about Zero modified T-6's...
> Some even refer to her as a F-5 G !

I remember her as Lefty Gardner's "White Lightning". The RB guys did
this great restoration after a crash which should have written her off.
I suspect there have been a lot of salvaged parts integrated.
I just can't imagine an "L" without turbo-superchargers exposed on the
booms, or the inter-coolers to go with the large chin vents.

I just wonder when and why she was deprived of her distinctive "L" appearance.

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[Ramsman]

On 27/08/2011 10:18, Savageduck wrote:
> On 2011-08-27 01:33:04 -0700, D. St-Sanvain
> > said:
>
>> Savageduck a écrit dans
>> <news:2011082700122978840-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> :
>>> On 2011-08-26 23:23:57 -0700, (D.
>>> St-Sanvain) said:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> <image>
>>>
>>> Regardless of what they might claim, that is no P-38L.
>>>
>>> That Red Bull P-38 has the small, swept back "Lightning MkI & MkII"
>>> through to P-38G nacelle chin vents. Also there are no
>>> turbo-superchargers.
>>>
>>> This is a P-38L. Note the larger nacelle chin vents;
>>
>> Well... the serial number makes her a L, the external view doesn't.
>> She was used as a racer, and eventually underwent some modifications,
>> which may lead to an (X)P-38 (something) designation...
>> Same questions are asked about Zero modified T-6's...
>> Some even refer to her as a F-5 G !
>
> I remember her as Lefty Gardner's "White Lightning". The RB guys did
> this great restoration after a crash which should have written her off.
> I suspect there have been a lot of salvaged parts integrated.
> I just can't imagine an "L" without turbo-superchargers exposed on the
> booms, or the inter-coolers to go with the large chin vents.
>
> I just wonder when and why she was deprived of her distinctive "L"
> appearance.
>

There's an item about the Red Bulls fleet in the September edition of
Aircraft magazine.

It says that N25Y was built as an F-5G, 44-53254. Sold To Lilee Products
in Chicago in 1946 as NX25Y. Started racing when owned by J.D. Reed of
Houston, and Charlie Walling flew it into 2nd place in the stock race at
Miami in 1947. Camera nose removed and other mods, and named Sky Ranger.
Two more owners, Hugh Wells and Vernon Thorpe, before passing to Lefty
Gardner. He painted it R/W/B and called it White Lightnin'. It had an
engine fire in 25 June 2001 and made a belly landing in a field at
Greenwood, MS. Sold to the Flying Bulls in January 2005.

I did read somewhere about the removal of the turbosuperchargers and the
reshaping of the nacelles, but I can't remember where. I also thought
when I first saw it that it couldn't be an L model, but it seems that
officially it is.

Great to see a P-38 again at Duxford.

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Peter

[Savageduck[_3_]]

On 2011-08-27 02:36:26 -0700, Ramsman > said:

> On 27/08/2011 10:18, Savageduck wrote:
>> On 2011-08-27 01:33:04 -0700, D. St-Sanvain
>> > said:
>>
>>> Savageduck a écrit dans
>>> <news:2011082700122978840-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> :
>>>> On 2011-08-26 23:23:57 -0700, (D.
>>>> St-Sanvain) said:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <image>
>>>>
>>>> Regardless of what they might claim, that is no P-38L.
>>>>
>>>> That Red Bull P-38 has the small, swept back "Lightning MkI & MkII"
>>>> through to P-38G nacelle chin vents. Also there are no
>>>> turbo-superchargers.
>>>>
>>>> This is a P-38L. Note the larger nacelle chin vents;
>>>
>>> Well... the serial number makes her a L, the external view doesn't.
>>> She was used as a racer, and eventually underwent some modifications,
>>> which may lead to an (X)P-38 (something) designation...
>>> Same questions are asked about Zero modified T-6's...
>>> Some even refer to her as a F-5 G !
>>
>> I remember her as Lefty Gardner's "White Lightning". The RB guys did
>> this great restoration after a crash which should have written her off.
>> I suspect there have been a lot of salvaged parts integrated.
>> I just can't imagine an "L" without turbo-superchargers exposed on the
>> booms, or the inter-coolers to go with the large chin vents.
>>
>> I just wonder when and why she was deprived of her distinctive "L"
>> appearance.
>>
>
> There's an item about the Red Bulls fleet in the September edition of
> Aircraft magazine.
>
> It says that N25Y was built as an F-5G, 44-53254. Sold To Lilee
> Products in Chicago in 1946 as NX25Y. Started racing when owned by J.D.
> Reed of Houston, and Charlie Walling flew it into 2nd place in the
> stock race at Miami in 1947. Camera nose removed and other mods, and
> named Sky Ranger. Two more owners, Hugh Wells and Vernon Thorpe, before
> passing to Lefty Gardner. He painted it R/W/B and called it White
> Lightnin'. It had an engine fire in 25 June 2001 and made a belly
> landing in a field at Greenwood, MS. Sold to the Flying Bulls in
> January 2005.
>
> I did read somewhere about the removal of the turbosuperchargers and
> the reshaping of the nacelles, but I can't remember where. I also
> thought when I first saw it that it couldn't be an L model, but it
> seems that officially it is.
>
> Great to see a P-38 again at Duxford.

Last year at Mather AFB in Sacramento there were supposed to be six,
only four made it, but all were flyers.
My father flew P-38H's, "J"'s, & "L"'s in New Guinea. He always said
the big change that all pilots noticed with the change from the "H" to
the "J" was the addition of aileron boost which turned the P-38 into a
different plane.

Here is a P-38L at Sacramento last year.




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Savageduck