Re: Complex aircraft question

[Robert M. Gary]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message >...

> Yes, but if you do not get your commercial certificate in a multi-engine
> aircraft first then you still have to demonstrate flying a complex aircraft
> to the examiner for your single engine commercial certificate.

I wonder if this is something new. We used to do double commercials by
giving all the training in a C310 and a C140. After stepping out of
the C310 with a new hand written CP-MEL ticket, the examiner and
student would hope into the C140 taildragger and do lazy eights etc
and end up with CP-MSEL.

-Robert

[Peter Duniho]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
om...
> I wonder if this is something new.

Huh?

> We used to do double commercials by
> giving all the training in a C310 and a C140. After stepping out of
> the C310 with a new hand written CP-MEL ticket, the examiner and
> student would hope into the C140 taildragger and do lazy eights etc
> and end up with CP-MSEL.

As near as I can tell, the situation you describe is exactly what CJ is
suggesting the original poster do. By getting the multi-engine commercial
first, a fixed-gear aircraft may be used for the single-engine commercial.

Pete

[Eric Stearns]

I've been out of the flight training business for several years
now...but it seems to me that there used to be a 60-day limit on the
multi then single commercial. That is, once the commercial was done
in the complex multi, the applicant had 60 days to complete the single
checkride (without using a complex single). Things may have changed
of course. -Eric

[Peter Duniho]

"Eric Stearns" > wrote in message
m...
> I've been out of the flight training business for several years
> now...but it seems to me that there used to be a 60-day limit on the
> multi then single commercial.

I don't think there ever was such a limit. Perhaps you're thinking of the
requirement that *some* kind of training for the commercial needs to have
been done within the past 60 days? That requirement existed before, and
still exists today. Note that the countdown starts at the most recent dual
flight, not the first commercial checkride.

Pete

[Sylvain]

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
> "Eric Stearns" wrote in message
> > I've been out of the flight training business for several years
> > now...but it seems to me that there used to be a 60-day limit on the
> > multi then single commercial.
>
> I don't think there ever was such a limit. Perhaps you're thinking of the
> requirement that *some* kind of training for the commercial needs to have
> been done within the past 60 days? That requirement existed before, and
> still exists today. Note that the countdown starts at the most recent dual
> flight, not the first commercial checkride.

seems that what Eric describes is a way to 'optimize' the amount of
training you take before the checkride; never thought of that one :-)
I took my time (about 9 months between taking my commercial multi- and
then taking the commercial single add-on -- I didn't need either, was
doing that just for the heck of it), but then I did take additional
training (which I needed to nail down these darn manoevers :-) Note that
although using a complex is not required in that case (to take the
commercial single add-on), I believe that it is still up to the examiner
who can still require it if I am not mistaken (to try to avoid surprises,
I went with the same examiner for both check rides, and did ask him ahead
of time about his interpretation of the rules and if he would accept the
Citabria for the add-on);

--Sylvain

[Eric Stearns]

"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message >...
> "Eric Stearns" > wrote in message
> m...
> > I've been out of the flight training business for several years
> > now...but it seems to me that there used to be a 60-day limit on the
> > multi then single commercial.
>
> I don't think there ever was such a limit. Perhaps you're thinking of the
> requirement that *some* kind of training for the commercial needs to have
> been done within the past 60 days? That requirement existed before, and
> still exists today. Note that the countdown starts at the most recent dual
> flight, not the first commercial checkride.
>
> Pete

I just remember recommending a few students for the multi commercial
first, then the single in a 172. The examiner required that the
single test be completed within 60 days of the issuance of the
commercial certificate (he might have been making up his own rules!)
in order to use a non-complex single...I just thought I'd throw this
experience out there.

-Eric