Meigs Curse: Year #1.

[Jim Vadek]

The curse works like a charm... the Cubs were beautifully defeated. This
pilot is happy.

[Rosspilot]

>The curse works like a charm... the Cubs were beautifully defeated. This
>pilot is happy.

Me, too. Screw Chicago and its filthy and corrupt terrorist government.
Ptooey!


www.Rosspilot.com

[John Harlow]

> >The curse works like a charm... the Cubs were beautifully defeated. This
> >pilot is happy.
>
> Me, too. Screw Chicago and its filthy and corrupt terrorist government.
> Ptooey!

That whole episode was a tragic expose of Chicago citizens though. I cannot
believe those people are this upset and willing to literally kill this guy
over a stupid ****ing BASEBALL GAME. What a bunch of morons.

[Jay Honeck]

> That whole episode was a tragic expose of Chicago citizens though. I
cannot
> believe those people are this upset and willing to literally kill this guy
> over a stupid ****ing BASEBALL GAME. What a bunch of morons.

I worked for (and with) the Chicago Tribune from '88 to '94. I can believe
this, and more.

Remember, Chicagoans are people that allow an elected official to destroy
public property -- and DON'T recall him.

Chicagoans rant and rave about horrendous traffic, while continuing to
support and allow toll-ways. (Imagine -- they stop 16 lanes of traffic to
collect forty cents -- and wonder why they have traffic jams!)

Chicagoans routinely sit in their cars for 90 minutes, in order to commute
20 miles.

Chicagoans are not the "best and brightest". The smart ones leave.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ross Richardson]

If I remember correctly, many years ago a Colombian goalie was killed
when he missed stopping a goal and they lost in the World Cup.

Go Red Soxs! (That ought to start a OT thread)

Ross

[Corky Scott]

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:55:33 -0500, Ross Richardson >
wrote:

>If I remember correctly, many years ago a Colombian goalie was killed
>when he missed stopping a goal and they lost in the World Cup.
>
>Go Red Soxs! (That ought to start a OT thread)
>
>Ross

It wasn't that long ago, it was when the men's World Cup was held here
in the states, and his "transgression" for which he paid with his
life, was that he caused an "own goal", and the Columbian team lost to
the US. An own goal means that by accident, a defender puts the ball
in his own goal. It can be a deflection from a shot or a shanked
clearance kick or whatever. It doesn't matter how the ball gets in
the goal, it still counts.

Supposedly the man's assailant said to him "thanks for the own goal,"
and shot him.

Corky Scott

[Ross Richardson]

yea, it was an "own goal".

Corky Scott wrote:
>
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:55:33 -0500, Ross Richardson >
> wrote:
>
> >If I remember correctly, many years ago a Colombian goalie was killed
> >when he missed stopping a goal and they lost in the World Cup.
> >
> >Go Red Soxs! (That ought to start a OT thread)
> >
> >Ross
>
> It wasn't that long ago, it was when the men's World Cup was held here
> in the states, and his "transgression" for which he paid with his
> life, was that he caused an "own goal", and the Columbian team lost to
> the US. An own goal means that by accident, a defender puts the ball
> in his own goal. It can be a deflection from a shot or a shanked
> clearance kick or whatever. It doesn't matter how the ball gets in
> the goal, it still counts.
>
> Supposedly the man's assailant said to him "thanks for the own goal,"
> and shot him.
>
> Corky Scott

[MLenoch]

I'm a Chicagoan.............(so)
I don't want to persecute that fan (yeah, right).
This whole tiff was made by the media...(oh boy).
Most of us would have done the same thing..........(my son included).
So let's lay off this guy and worry about more important stuff........(maybe).
V. Lenoch

[Ron Natalie]

"MLenoch" > wrote in message ...
> I'm a Chicagoan.............(so)
> I don't want to persecute that fan (yeah, right).
> This whole tiff was made by the media...(oh boy).

Hey, as Don Zimmer would say, "No skin off my nose."

[Ralph Snart]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:9Xxjb.145995$%h1.145949@sccrnsc02...
> > That whole episode was a tragic expose of Chicago citizens though. I
> cannot
> > believe those people are this upset and willing to literally kill this
guy
> > over a stupid ****ing BASEBALL GAME. What a bunch of morons.
>
> I worked for (and with) the Chicago Tribune from '88 to '94. I can
believe
> this, and more.
>
> Remember, Chicagoans are people that allow an elected official to destroy
> public property -- and DON'T recall him.
>
> Chicagoans rant and rave about horrendous traffic, while continuing to
> support and allow toll-ways. (Imagine -- they stop 16 lanes of traffic to
> collect forty cents -- and wonder why they have traffic jams!)
>
> Chicagoans routinely sit in their cars for 90 minutes, in order to commute
> 20 miles.
>
> Chicagoans are not the "best and brightest". The smart ones leave.
> --

They keep electing the most corrupt family into office - the Daly
'Democratic Machine'. They deserve what they get.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Jim Vadek wrote:
>
> The curse works like a charm...

Oh, bull. The Cubs haven't won the series since 1908, and you think this is the
result of Daley??????

George Patterson
To a pilot, altitude is like money - it is possible that having too much
could prove embarassing, but having too little is always fatal.

[Jay Honeck]

> Oh, bull. The Cubs haven't won the series since 1908, and you think this
is the
> result of Daley??????

Hmmm. So the Cubs haven't won a series since the original Mayor Daley was
in first grade. (He was born in 1902.) He must have started his nefarious
ways when he was six. years old...

Coincidence? It's not the "Meigs Curse" -- it's the Daley Curse!

It's obvious to me that the curse has simply followed the Daley family, and
will continue until their clan no longer controls Chicago politics.

Which means, in essence, that the Cubs will NEVER win the Series.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dave Stadt]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:QlJjb.792409$Ho3.212711@sccrnsc03...
>
>....................Cubs will NEVER win the Series.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

The ultimate understatement. They have their nearly 100 year old team motto
to protect "Wait till next year."

[Bob Noel]

In article >, "Dave
Stadt" > wrote:

> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:QlJjb.792409$Ho3.212711@sccrnsc03...
> >
> >....................Cubs will NEVER win the Series.
> > --
> > Jay Honeck
> > Iowa City, IA
> > Pathfinder N56993
> > www.AlexisParkInn.com
> > "Your Aviation Destination"
>
> The ultimate understatement. They have their nearly 100 year old team
> motto
> to protect "Wait till next year."

Red Sox.

--
Bob Noel

[David Corsi]

as a Chicagoian and a pilot you have it all wrong. NONE of the citizens, or
pilots in this town wanted to lose Meigs. It was ONLY our mayor. So why
condemn us and root for our Cubs to lose, punishing the citizens?

"Jim Vadek" > wrote in message
news:jlwjb.568766$Oz4.536353@rwcrnsc54...
>
> The curse works like a charm... the Cubs were beautifully defeated. This
> pilot is happy.
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> as a Chicagoian and a pilot you have it all wrong. NONE of the citizens,
or
> pilots in this town wanted to lose Meigs. It was ONLY our mayor. So why
> condemn us and root for our Cubs to lose, punishing the citizens?

So why don't you recall him?

It worked in California...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[MLenoch]

>So why don't you recall him?
>
>It worked in California...
>--
>Jay Honeck

Unlike California,
Chicago is not financially bankrupt......yet.
VL

[Rosspilot]

>as a Chicagoian and a pilot you have it all wrong. NONE of the citizens, or
>pilots in this town wanted to lose Meigs. It was ONLY our mayor. So why
>condemn us and root for our Cubs to lose, punishing the citizens?

Because you Chicago morons refuse to rise up and throw the crook/terrorist out
of office . . . what other ways are there to show your dictator the contempt he
deserves?


www.Rosspilot.com

[MLenoch]

>Because you Chicago morons refuse to rise up and throw the crook/terrorist
>out
>of office . . . what other ways are there to show your dictator the contempt
>he
>deserves?

Just ask Jesse Jackson...............nuf said.
VL

[Newps]

MLenoch wrote:
>>So why don't you recall him?
>>
>>It worked in California...
>>--
>>Jay Honeck
>
>
> Unlike California,
> Chicago is not financially bankrupt......yet.

So? Recall does not have to be linked to finances. He's an idiot, get
him outta there.

[Dave B.]

You're an idiot.

Daley's constituency is made up not of pilots, but of people that want
handouts, and people for whom his "machine" does favors. Pilots in Chicago
have no say because for every one of us, there are 25,000 of them. And
whenever its convenient, Daley plays the "class warfare" game like a good
Democrat does, taking full advantage of the very ignorant in order to stay
in power.

That's the "Chicago" way and one reason why this place has its reputation.



"Rosspilot" > wrote in message
...
> >as a Chicagoian and a pilot you have it all wrong. NONE of the citizens,
or
> >pilots in this town wanted to lose Meigs. It was ONLY our mayor. So why
> >condemn us and root for our Cubs to lose, punishing the citizens?
>
> Because you Chicago morons refuse to rise up and throw the crook/terrorist
out
> of office . . . what other ways are there to show your dictator the
contempt he
> deserves?
>
>
> www.Rosspilot.com
>
>

[C J Campbell]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
|
|
| Jim Vadek wrote:
| >
| > The curse works like a charm...
|
| Oh, bull. The Cubs haven't won the series since 1908, and you think this
is the
| result of Daley??????
|

Why not? They blame their current curse on an incident with a goat in 1943.
What happened from 1908 to 1943?

[Brien K. Meehan]

"David Corsi" > wrote in message news:<tgSjb.805080$uu5.141943@sccrnsc04>...
> as a Chicagoian and a pilot you have it all wrong. NONE of the citizens, or
> pilots in this town wanted to lose Meigs. It was ONLY our mayor. So why
> condemn us and root for our Cubs to lose, punishing the citizens?

The last time I was there, almost every citizen I talked to said they
had "no problem with what Daley did" to Meigs.

That was probably the last time I'll go to Chicago.

[Rosspilot]

>You're an idiot.
>Daley's constituency is made up not of pilots, but of people that want
>handouts, and people for whom his "machine" does favors. Pilots in Chicago
>have no say because for every one of us, there are 25,000 of them. And
>whenever its convenient, Daley plays the "class warfare" game like a good
>Democrat does, taking full advantage of the very ignorant in order to stay
>in power.
>
>That's the "Chicago" way and one reason why this place has its reputation.

You get the kind of government you permit.
Live with it. You spend your money there? Pay your taxes there? And you're
calling me an idiot? <G>

LOL . . . nothing personal, Dave . . . please consider my arguments academic.
And don't think I am unaware of the blatent corruption that goes on in local
governments everywhere by *both* parties.
Down-zoning, re-districting, variances for influential builders . . . we're
buried in it right here.










www.Rosspilot.com

[MLenoch]

>The last time I was there, almost every citizen I talked to said they
>had "no problem with what Daley did" to Meigs.
>
>That was probably the last time I'll go to Chicago.
>

Great!! Please come to the suburban airports:Joliet, Schaumburg, DuPage,
Lockport, Palwaukee, etc.
VL

[MLenoch]

>Daley's constituency is made up not of pilots, but of people that want
>handouts, and people for whom his "machine" does favors. Pilots in Chicago
>have no say because for every one of us, there are 25,000 of them.

In the city itself, you mean for every Chicagoan who is a pilot there are
250,000 non-pilot citizens?

Besides the betrayal of Meigs, does everyone know about the "Rape of CVS"? CVS
is Chicago Vocational School. This was a public high school in the city where
aviation was also taught. In WW2, the Navy provided aircraft for training.(As
far as I've benn told, Dauntlesses, Devastators, Avengers, etc.) As late as
1974, the USAF supplied two T-33 aircraft for training. Since that time the
aviation program went derilict and the hangers on the school property were left
in disarray. Last summer, the last of the aircraft, parts and aviation tools
were removed. All that is left are the large double bay wood-roofed hangers on
school property. From the outside, you can see the two gantrys that the Navy
installed in WW2 for engine removal and run-ups. No one in Chicago cared about
this vocational training facility and let it completely run down. This
includes Jesse, Richie and all their henchmen. Thus Chicago has lost one more
aviation asset in a string of long losses.
VL
(Oh Gawd, he's on his soap-box again!)

[Big John]

C.J.

The goat(s) must have had 'kids' <G>

Big John

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:09:17 -0700, "C J Campbell"
> wrote:

>
>"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>|
>|
>| Jim Vadek wrote:
>| >
>| > The curse works like a charm...
>|
>| Oh, bull. The Cubs haven't won the series since 1908, and you think this
>is the
>| result of Daley??????
>|
>
>Why not? They blame their current curse on an incident with a goat in 1943.
>What happened from 1908 to 1943?
>

[Ralph Snart]

"MLenoch" > wrote in message
...
> >So why don't you recall him?
> >
> >It worked in California...
> >--
> >Jay Honeck
>
> Unlike California,
> Chicago is not financially bankrupt......yet.
> VL

No, just morally. To threaten somebody's life over a baseball game (and
Chicago would have lost it anyway) is not something that cizilized people
do. Of course everytime the Bulls win a game, people riot, and when they
lose a game, people riot, so as Jay says, not the best and the brightest....

[MLenoch]

> "Ralph Snart"

wrote:> that cizilized people

Nuff said...........(the threats came from suburbanites, anyway.)
VL

[Dave Stadt]

"MLenoch" > wrote in message
...
> >Daley's constituency is made up not of pilots, but of people that want
> >handouts, and people for whom his "machine" does favors. Pilots in
Chicago
> >have no say because for every one of us, there are 25,000 of them.
>
> In the city itself, you mean for every Chicagoan who is a pilot there are
> 250,000 non-pilot citizens?
>
> Besides the betrayal of Meigs, does everyone know about the "Rape of CVS"?
CVS
> is Chicago Vocational School. This was a public high school in the city
where
> aviation was also taught. In WW2, the Navy provided aircraft for
training.(As
> far as I've benn told, Dauntlesses, Devastators, Avengers, etc.) As late
as
> 1974, the USAF supplied two T-33 aircraft for training. Since that time
the
> aviation program went derilict and the hangers on the school property were
left
> in disarray. Last summer, the last of the aircraft, parts and aviation
tools
> were removed. All that is left are the large double bay wood-roofed
hangers on
> school property. From the outside, you can see the two gantrys that the
Navy
> installed in WW2 for engine removal and run-ups. No one in Chicago cared
about
> this vocational training facility and let it completely run down. This
> includes Jesse, Richie and all their henchmen. Thus Chicago has lost one
more
> aviation asset in a string of long losses.
> VL
> (Oh Gawd, he's on his soap-box again!)

Some of that WWII Navy training equipment that was at CVS did end up in a
museum. Thank goodness it is quite a ways outside of chicago.

[Steve Bartman]

But what about mine???

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "MLenoch" > wrote in message
...
> > I'm a Chicagoan.............(so)
> > I don't want to persecute that fan (yeah, right).
> > This whole tiff was made by the media...(oh boy).
>
> Hey, as Don Zimmer would say, "No skin off my nose."
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> >The last time I was there, almost every citizen I talked to said they
> >had "no problem with what Daley did" to Meigs.
> >
> >That was probably the last time I'll go to Chicago.

Now take the cash you would have spent at Meigs, and come see a performance
at the University of Iowa's Hancher Auditorium.

They attract world-class entertainment, there are dozens of top-notch
restaurants nearby, and I'll buy you a cold one while you're in town...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> >So why don't you recall him?
> >
> >It worked in California...
>
> Unlike California,
> Chicago is not financially bankrupt......yet.

Look, here's the bottom line: In ANY other city, in ANY other state, a guy
who sent bulldozers to rip up public property -- in the MIDDLE OF THE
NIGHT -- would have been arrested.

He would then have been put under medical observation, to ascertain his
sanity.

Why is it just "business as usual" in Chicago?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Besides the betrayal of Meigs, does everyone know about the "Rape of CVS"?
CVS
> is Chicago Vocational School.

No, I wasn't aware of that.

How did Jesse and Richie explain this one to their constituents? It would
seem that vocational training would be a way up and out of the ghetto for
kids who weren't on the college track?

Isn't this kind of school PRECISELY what the Democrats are always
advocating? Or are they still under the mistaken notion that EVERYONE can
go to college, if only we pour enough money on the problem?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Gary L. Drescher]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:Tpakb.806050$YN5.806702@sccrnsc01...
> Look, here's the bottom line: In ANY other city, in ANY other state, a
guy
> who sent bulldozers to rip up public property -- in the MIDDLE OF THE
> NIGHT -- would have been arrested.

If that were true, then most public renovation projects would result in the
arrest of the presiding public officials (and of the bulldozer operators
themselves--if they were not acting on someone's lawful authority, then they
too were committing a crime). You usually have to bulldoze what's there in
order to build something else. Often there are people who preferred to keep
what was already there.

Daley decided to renovate a piece of public land whose usage was under his
administrative authority as an elected public official. There are sound
objections to the decision and to his implementation, but the idea that he
committed a crime (such as vandalism) is sheer fantasy.

--Gary

> He would then have been put under medical observation, to ascertain his
> sanity.
>
> Why is it just "business as usual" in Chicago?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Bob Noel]

In article <Tpakb.806050$YN5.806702@sccrnsc01>, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

> > >So why don't you recall him?
> > >
> > >It worked in California...
> >
> > Unlike California,
> > Chicago is not financially bankrupt......yet.
>
> Look, here's the bottom line: In ANY other city, in ANY other state, a
> guy
> who sent bulldozers to rip up public property -- in the MIDDLE OF THE
> NIGHT -- would have been arrested.

do you really think it would have been different in Boston, MA?

--
Bob Noel

[Jay Honeck]

> Daley decided to renovate a piece of public land whose usage was under his
> administrative authority as an elected public official. There are sound
> objections to the decision and to his implementation, but the idea that he
> committed a crime (such as vandalism) is sheer fantasy.

Well, Gary, we've got a similar situation brewing in Coralville (sister city
to Iowa City).

The Mayor (and his cronies) have their hearts set on building a $60 million
dollar convention center, complete with a giant hotel, etc. The citizens of
Coralville are objecting to this, on the grounds that (a) it costs WAY too
much, (b) if there was a call for it, the Marriott's of the world would be
begging to build it with they own money, and (c) the Gubmint shouldn't be
competing with private business.

In fact, there is now a group of four people running for office (one
mayoral, three city council candidates) solely on the platform of "Stop the
Convention Center". Further, petitions have been submitted to the Mayor,
asking that the issue be put on the ballot as a referendum. (Sadly, I live
in Iowa City, and thus can't vote -- I'm sure you know where I stand on the
issue!)

Thus far, the Mayor has summarily dismissed these concerns, and the
petitions, and is going ahead with land fill, etc. (Is this starting to
sound familiar?)

If the Mayor of Coralville were to now take it upon himself to proceed with
demolition (there are publicly owned buildings on the site) -- especially if
he sent a wrecking company out in the middle of a Sunday night -- I do
believe he would be detained and observed.

But maybe that's just an Iowa thing -- we expect rational behavior from our
elected officials.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Gary L. Drescher]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:Qhbkb.169335$%h1.161414@sccrnsc02...
> If the Mayor of Coralville were to now take it upon himself to proceed
with
> demolition (there are publicly owned buildings on the site) -- especially
if
> he sent a wrecking company out in the middle of a Sunday night -- I do
> believe he would be detained and observed.

So you believe we live in a country where (except in Chicago) a public
official who initiates a renovation project is thereby subject to arrest and
involuntary hospitalization, unless the police think the project was
sufficiently popular?

--Gary

> But maybe that's just an Iowa thing -- we expect rational behavior from
our
> elected officials.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> So you believe we live in a country where (except in Chicago) a public
> official who initiates a renovation project is thereby subject to arrest
and
> involuntary hospitalization, unless the police think the project was
> sufficiently popular?

Bulldozing an airport runway, at 3 AM on a Sunday morning, is a "renovation
project"?

Methinks you be as nuts as Daley.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[G.R. Patterson III]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> Look, here's the bottom line: In ANY other city, in ANY other state, a guy
> who sent bulldozers to rip up public property -- in the MIDDLE OF THE
> NIGHT -- would have been arrested.

The Atlantic City mayor didn't get arrested either.

George Patterson
To a pilot, altitude is like money - it is possible that having too much
could prove embarassing, but having too little is always fatal.

[Paul Sengupta]

Well, I don't know about in the US, but in the UK it wouldn't
be up to one individual, the council would have to decide and
get at least some public opinion to help them decide. Planning
permission for the change of use would have to be sought.

I would guess it's the same there...but that's not what the
mayor did...he used the excuse of a terrorism threat or whatever
to destroy the airport without as far as I know, getting planning
permission.

Paul

"Gary L. Drescher" > wrote in message
news:ctdkb.586170$cF.255083@rwcrnsc53...
> So you believe we live in a country where (except in Chicago) a public
> official who initiates a renovation project is thereby subject to arrest
and
> involuntary hospitalization, unless the police think the project was
> sufficiently popular?

[Gig Giacona]

In most places in the US the same would be true.

"Paul Sengupta" > wrote in message
...
> Well, I don't know about in the US, but in the UK it wouldn't
> be up to one individual, the council would have to decide and
> get at least some public opinion to help them decide. Planning
> permission for the change of use would have to be sought.
>
> I would guess it's the same there...but that's not what the
> mayor did...he used the excuse of a terrorism threat or whatever
> to destroy the airport without as far as I know, getting planning
> permission.
>
> Paul
>
> "Gary L. Drescher" > wrote in message
> news:ctdkb.586170$cF.255083@rwcrnsc53...
> > So you believe we live in a country where (except in Chicago) a public
> > official who initiates a renovation project is thereby subject to arrest
> and
> > involuntary hospitalization, unless the police think the project was
> > sufficiently popular?
>
>