Idea for Jay

[Mike O'Malley]

Jay, got a question- is your hotel's roof visible from the traffic pattern?

I only ask because I just remembered a place we used to fly over every day when
towing banners, they'd put a sign up on their roof for all (pilots) to read:

http://www.pbase.com/image/22429281

Ever think of doing anything similar on the Inn? Though, unless the roof is
relativly flat like this one, it could look kind of tacky from the ground.

--
Mike

[Jay Honeck]

Hi Mike -- thanks for the idea!

Any idea how the sign is affixed to the roof? Or is it "built-in" to the
shingles, as part of the roof?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Mike O'Malley]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:AAnkb.174588$%h1.168643@sccrnsc02...
> Hi Mike -- thanks for the idea!
>
> Any idea how the sign is affixed to the roof? Or is it "built-in" to the
> shingles, as part of the roof?

I'm not sure, we never really flew THAT low :) It definatly looked like it was
part of the shingles, either painted, or contrasting ones tacked ontop of the
base ones.

One thing was for sure, our route had us fly over that place 4 to 8 times a day.
That "COLD BEER" sign was just torture when it's 95F outside, the sun is beating
on you, you've been up for 5 hours, and all your cooling air flow is coming
right off the motor.

And before anyone thinks I'm complaining, I wouldn't trade it for the world!

Mike

[Greg Burkhart]

"Mike O'Malley" > wrote in message
...
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:AAnkb.174588$%h1.168643@sccrnsc02...
> > Hi Mike -- thanks for the idea!
>
> That "COLD BEER" sign was just torture when it's 95F outside,

Oh, ohh... Another pilot vs. beer discussion??? (lol)

I remember when I was (a lot) younger there was a lumber yard in a small
town that had an arrow painted on the roof pointing towards the airport
about 3 miles away. I haven't noticed many roof signs lately. A lost art?

[Cecil E. Chapman]

Near my home airport (Reid-Hillview in San Jose), near the point where one
is typically asked to report at two miles on a 45 into the downwind, there
is a water tower that has "RHV 2.5 miles --->" pointing towards the airport.
Also at Half Moon Bay airport there is a 'roof mural' of Snoopy ontop his
Sopwith Camel. :-)

--
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Good Flights!

Cecil E. Chapman, Jr.
PP-ASEL

"We who fly do so for the love of flying.
We are alive in the air with this miracle
that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"

- Cecil Day Lewis-

Check out my personal flying adventures: www.bayareapilot.com
"

[C J Campbell]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:AAnkb.174588$%h1.168643@sccrnsc02...
| Hi Mike -- thanks for the idea!
|
| Any idea how the sign is affixed to the roof? Or is it "built-in" to the
| shingles, as part of the roof?

It could be just painted on, like in this WW II POW camp. Note "Pappy
Boyington Here" sign at far right.

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/fullmonty/35/pow.jpg

[C J Campbell]

"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
| news:AAnkb.174588$%h1.168643@sccrnsc02...
| | Hi Mike -- thanks for the idea!
| |
| | Any idea how the sign is affixed to the roof? Or is it "built-in" to
the
| | shingles, as part of the roof?
|
| It could be just painted on, like in this WW II POW camp. Note "Pappy
| Boyington Here" sign at far right.
|
| http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/fullmonty/35/pow.jpg

I suppose Jay could put "Pappy Boyington Slept Here" on his roof. :-)

[Ben Jackson]

In article <C3okb.815231$Ho3.223319@sccrnsc03>,
Greg Burkhart > wrote:
>I haven't noticed many roof signs lately. A lost art?

I'm surprised at how many fields have things mowed into them.

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Ash Wyllie]

Greg Burkhart opined

>"Mike O'Malley" > wrote in message
...
>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>> news:AAnkb.174588$%h1.168643@sccrnsc02...
>> > Hi Mike -- thanks for the idea!
>>
>> That "COLD BEER" sign was just torture when it's 95F outside,

>Oh, ohh... Another pilot vs. beer discussion??? (lol)

>I remember when I was (a lot) younger there was a lumber yard in a small
>town that had an arrow painted on the roof pointing towards the airport
>about 3 miles away. I haven't noticed many roof signs lately. A lost art?

Seems to me that that sort of thing should be mandatory. As well as big flags
near airports.


-ash
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[Mike O'Malley]

"Ash Wyllie" > wrote in message ...
> Greg Burkhart opined
>
> >"Mike O'Malley" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> >> news:AAnkb.174588$%h1.168643@sccrnsc02...
> >> > Hi Mike -- thanks for the idea!
> >>
> >> That "COLD BEER" sign was just torture when it's 95F outside,
>
> >Oh, ohh... Another pilot vs. beer discussion??? (lol)
>
> >I remember when I was (a lot) younger there was a lumber yard in a small
> >town that had an arrow painted on the roof pointing towards the airport
> >about 3 miles away. I haven't noticed many roof signs lately. A lost art?
>
> Seems to me that that sort of thing should be mandatory. As well as big flags
> near airports.
>

I always thought it was nice when the airport would paint their name on either
the ramp, or on a hanger's roof. One of the funnier ones though is DEC,
Decatur, IL. On their ramp, in 10 foot letters they wrote "DECATUR, IL" now, it
was nice to know I was near Decatur, but you have to be REALLY lost if you don't
know what STATE you're in, or if you mistake it for, say Decatur, AL.

--
Mike

[Chris W]

"Cecil E. Chapman" wrote:

> Near my home airport (Reid-Hillview in San Jose), near the point where one
> is typically asked to report at two miles on a 45 into the downwind, there
> is a water tower that has "RHV 2.5 miles --->" pointing towards the airport.
> Also at Half Moon Bay airport there is a 'roof mural' of Snoopy ontop his
> Sopwith Camel. :-)

now that is what Jay need on his roof :)

--
Chris Woodhouse
Oklahoma City

"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania

[Greg Burkhart]

"Mike O'Malley" > wrote in message
...
> I always thought it was nice when the airport would paint their name on
either
> the ramp, or on a hanger's roof. One of the funnier ones though is DEC,
> Decatur, IL. On their ramp, in 10 foot letters they wrote "DECATUR, IL"
now, it
> was nice to know I was near Decatur, but you have to be REALLY lost if you
don't
> know what STATE you're in, or if you mistake it for, say Decatur, AL.

I occasionally listen on my scanner to the local airport Unicom and have
heard "St James Minnesota traffic...<etc.>... St James, MN traffic"... Must
be an Iowan. ;-)

[Big John]

Oh, all yee of short memory.

In the early days before electronic navigation, many barn roofs and
water towers had the names painted on them. If you got lost all you
had to do was find a 'sign' and circle it to read where you were and
go from there.

I rarely see these signs anymore with the GPS and other navigation
systems we have.

Big John


On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:12:48 -0500, "Mike O'Malley"
> wrote:

>Jay, got a question- is your hotel's roof visible from the traffic pattern?
>
>I only ask because I just remembered a place we used to fly over every day when
>towing banners, they'd put a sign up on their roof for all (pilots) to read:
>
>http://www.pbase.com/image/22429281
>
>Ever think of doing anything similar on the Inn? Though, unless the roof is
>relativly flat like this one, it could look kind of tacky from the ground.

[EDR]

In article >, Big John
> wrote:

> In the early days before electronic navigation, many barn roofs and
> water towers had the names painted on them. If you got lost all you
> had to do was find a 'sign' and circle it to read where you were and
> go from there.

I still read the water towers.
Of course, in the Champ, I usually fly 500 - 1000 AGL.

[dave]

That's the Bayview in Lower Township, NJ. Great place!

"Mike O'Malley" > wrote in message
...
> Jay, got a question- is your hotel's roof visible from the traffic
pattern?
>
> I only ask because I just remembered a place we used to fly over every day
when
> towing banners, they'd put a sign up on their roof for all (pilots) to
read:
>
> http://www.pbase.com/image/22429281
>
> Ever think of doing anything similar on the Inn? Though, unless the roof
is
> relativly flat like this one, it could look kind of tacky from the ground.
>
> --
> Mike
>
>

[StellaStar]

>In the early days before electronic navigation, many barn roofs and
>water towers had the names painted on them.

You can thank the gals:

http://www.ninety-nines.org/airmark.html

Airmarking:
"This program of identifying airports to pilots was started as the National Air
Marking Program. This program was the first U.S. government program conceived,
planned and directed by a woman with an all-woman staff. The program was a part
of the Bureau of Air Commerce."

And a rather sad interlude -- "But then came the war. After the bombing at
Pearl Harbor in 1941, the U.S. Government determined that marked airports along
the east and west coast were obvious targets for enemy identification and
attack. Consequently, Blanche Noyes, who had set about the work of marking some
13,000 sites, went about the work of blacking out those very markings she and
her team of women pilots had diligently created."

[John Galban]

Big John > wrote in message >...
> Oh, all yee of short memory.
>
> In the early days before electronic navigation, many barn roofs and
> water towers had the names painted on them. If you got lost all you
> had to do was find a 'sign' and circle it to read where you were and
> go from there.
>
> I rarely see these signs anymore with the GPS and other navigation
> systems we have.
>
Big John,

You flew out of Willie didn't you? Remember the one on a mountain
about 5 mi. east of Falcon that says "<---PHX"? Well, it's still
there (been there since the 30's). When I 1st started flying in the
80s, I remember that sign was out in the uninhabited part of the
valley. Now it's surrounded by suburbs. Doesn't serve much of a
purpose anymore, but it's still neat to see when you're flying along.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[John Galban]

(StellaStar) wrote in message >...
>
> And a rather sad interlude -- "But then came the war. After the bombing at
> Pearl Harbor in 1941, the U.S. Government determined that marked airports along
> the east and west coast were obvious targets for enemy identification and
> attack. Consequently, Blanche Noyes, who had set about the work of marking some
> 13,000 sites, went about the work of blacking out those very markings she and
> her team of women pilots had diligently created."

Sounds a lot like the current "security" related knee-jerk
reactions. Take away something useful from GA on the remote chance
that the "enemy" might use it. Navigation being what it was in those
days, I'd venture to guess that the impact of that decision hurt more
of our pilots than helped lost Japanese pilots.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[G.R. Patterson III]

EDR wrote:
>
> I still read the water towers.

So do I. It's amazing how many towns there are named "Municipal Water Dept".

George Patterson
To a pilot, altitude is like money - it is possible that having too much
could prove embarassing, but having too little is always fatal.

[Big John]

John

Yep. With the 364 flying days a year and clear air there, saw the sign
a lot.

Went back a few years ago to a reunion and couldn't find my way around
on the ground. I'm sure from the air it would have been as bad.

I checked the history records for the reunion and found that we
averaged killing one student a month and one instructor every three
months for the four years I was there.


Would average about 175 hours a month in the F-80/T-33. Start before
dawn and quit around mid-night for days on end.

My show off maneuver was the double immelman in the T-33. (The F-80A/B
didn't have a big enough engine to do it) Only a few of us did/could
do them because you were on the very ragged edge when you came out on
top of the second :o)

Stories of days gone by. Do miss that flying :o)

Big John

Were yoi at Willie John or do you just live in area?


On 20 Oct 2003 15:59:25 -0700, (John Galban)
wrote:

>Big John > wrote in message >...
>> Oh, all yee of short memory.
>>
>> In the early days before electronic navigation, many barn roofs and
>> water towers had the names painted on them. If you got lost all you
>> had to do was find a 'sign' and circle it to read where you were and
>> go from there.
>>
>> I rarely see these signs anymore with the GPS and other navigation
>> systems we have.
>>
>Big John,
>
> You flew out of Willie didn't you? Remember the one on a mountain
>about 5 mi. east of Falcon that says "<---PHX"? Well, it's still
>there (been there since the 30's). When I 1st started flying in the
>80s, I remember that sign was out in the uninhabited part of the
>valley. Now it's surrounded by suburbs. Doesn't serve much of a
>purpose anymore, but it's still neat to see when you're flying along.
>
>John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[MLenoch]

> Big John

wrote:>My show off maneuver was the double immelman in the T-33. (The F-80A/B
>didn't have a big enough engine to do it) Only a few of us did/could
>do them because you were on the very ragged edge when you came out on
>top of the second :o)

What was your entry speed? Above 370 kts? Musta been a long dive, if so.
VL

[Tom S.]

"John Galban" > wrote in message
m...
> Big John > wrote in message
>...
> > Oh, all yee of short memory.
> >
> > In the early days before electronic navigation, many barn roofs and
> > water towers had the names painted on them. If you got lost all you
> > had to do was find a 'sign' and circle it to read where you were and
> > go from there.
> >
> > I rarely see these signs anymore with the GPS and other navigation
> > systems we have.
> >
> Big John,
>
> You flew out of Willie didn't you? Remember the one on a mountain
> about 5 mi. east of Falcon that says "<---PHX"? Well, it's still
> there (been there since the 30's). When I 1st started flying in the
> 80s, I remember that sign was out in the uninhabited part of the
> valley. Now it's surrounded by suburbs. Doesn't serve much of a
> purpose anymore, but it's still neat to see when you're flying along.

That "<== PHOENIX" sign, out at Usury Pass, was put up because "HOLLYWOOD"
wouldn't fit on the hillside.

[Tom S.]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> EDR wrote:
> >
> > I still read the water towers.
>
> So do I. It's amazing how many towns there are named "Municipal Water
Dept".
>
So many towns, bereft of originality...

[Big John]

VL

Yep.

Over 500 mph (and over the red line of bird). We still used mph in
those days <G>

Would start above 5000' and dive down to about 500 feet over aux field
to start maneuver.

Would do this with some of my element and word would go around my
flight (25-30 students) about my capabilities so that when I briefed
the flight each day they listened to what I had to say. <G>

Never spun out of one and never had a student try (to the best of my
knowledge???) No one ever told me after graduation when they would
have had a 'free pass'.

Y'all fly safe not like some of us idiots did <G>

Big John




On 21 Oct 2003 03:40:40 GMT, (MLenoch) wrote:

>> Big John
>
>wrote:>My show off maneuver was the double immelman in the T-33. (The F-80A/B
>>didn't have a big enough engine to do it) Only a few of us did/could
>>do them because you were on the very ragged edge when you came out on
>>top of the second :o)
>
>What was your entry speed? Above 370 kts? Musta been a long dive, if so.
>VL

[Scet]

"Mike O'Malley" > wrote in message
...
> Jay, got a question- is your hotel's roof visible from the traffic
pattern?
>
> I only ask because I just remembered a place we used to fly over every day
when
> towing banners, they'd put a sign up on their roof for all (pilots) to
read:
>
> http://www.pbase.com/image/22429281
>
> Ever think of doing anything similar on the Inn? Though, unless the roof
is
> relativly flat like this one, it could look kind of tacky from the ground.
>
> --
> Mike
>
> The Airport near my place has trees planted to spell out the name
"Parafield" has been like it for years now and the trees are quite large.

Scet

[Bob Chilcoat]

The Horse Farm I've mentioned before, that's under the traffic pattern of
SMQ, has "NO FLY" painted on its roof. Of course we all have to fly over it
to see what it says. Idiot.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> EDR wrote:
> >
> > I still read the water towers.
>
> So do I. It's amazing how many towns there are named "Municipal Water
Dept".
>
> George Patterson
> To a pilot, altitude is like money - it is possible that having too
much
> could prove embarassing, but having too little is always fatal.